yep! feels great to have a pentablet on stand ,im using a cheap aluminum laptop stand - you get a fuller contact with your pen on the tablet surface as it mimics that of a drafting table.
I have used a stand. Though primarily with the Intuos 4 XL. For that tablet since it is so large, having the tablet at an angle helps me reach the far corners of the active area. The stand is shown at 16:36 in this video: ruclips.net/video/Tv_qX1Z9-wI/видео.html
So, even Bluetooth 5.0 latency is higher? (I suppose tests included such mouse) And Huion's tablets state 300 RPS (or PPS? is there a difference?)...Isn't it superior?
In some of the graphs that rtings.com did with mice click latency I saw sometimes the bluetooth numbers were pretty low, but never equivalent to the wired connection. And the bluetooth numbers always had a very wide distribution. Unfortunately it was not clear if the mice used BT 5. As for RPS, among the tablet experts I talk to there is a sense that non-Wacom actual report rates might not might reach the numbers that are specified. Sometime this year, I'd like to test that out by trying OpenTabletDriver with some of my tablets since OTD does show the report rate.
So I bought a Wacom Intuos Medium and when I draw there is a slight delay it feels like.. The curses is a bit ahead of where I'm drawing.. and despite my screen being 240hz it just feels.. laggy? Is that supposed to be like that then?
they are just dogsht compared to new ipad pro 2024 the difference is night and day thats why i could never use graphics tablet like that even the most expensive ones have so much delay sluggish piece of sht
A great question. Some amount of what we visually see as pointer lag is indeed caused by screen issues (refresh rate, etc). But the vast majority is caused by the tablet (firmware) and tablet driver and to some extend how the operating pen subsystem works. One typical screen issue that does come up is refresh rate, if you set the refresh rate to something like 30Hz it will definitely give the appearance of lot of lag.
Windows since Win8 has forced DWM V-Sync, so there will always be extra lag and latency on top of all the rest. I only have the Cintiq 13HD and I didn't like it because of the paralax and lag, maybe you can get used to it but having my Intuos 4 and 3 for years and years it's hard to adjust.
Thanks for this comment. I don't really know much about display tech. Will look learn about and into this. I do eventually want to add an episode about how displays contribute to the effect of lag.
@@thesevenpens I tested the Cintiq13HD under 3 OS's, XP SP3, Vista 64 and Win7 64, both with Aero enabled and disabled, the lag was present in all. I don't think you can do anything software wise to minimize the input lag on these old Cintiq's. Latency on the OS level will add a few frames because of forced V-Sync. I was really surprised by the lag, it's not like drawing on paper where the response is immediate.
@mariobreskic When you see Cintiq videos and the line is way behind the pen that's not a camera effect, it's how it really is like. Thankfully I got the 13HD for free, I can't believe they're still being listed for 300 bucks, specially when that model has a design flaw on the connector.
@@farben_ Bro thats what im saying i cannot believe nobody talks about how sluggish they are all these money for dogsht trash feels like u paint on 100ping fr like how nobody talks about it or how ppl say things like the latency is top tier bro its unusable new ipad pro 2024 has the best latency i tested but in procreate and adobe fresco compared to samsung s9 and others like its crazy to me that Moblie tech is actually better than PCs one its so rare to see that how is this possible like i would pay alot to have this lag reduced in photoshop or tvpaint or clipstudio paint or w/e no problem but its just not there anywhere tilted af
As of Oct 2023 the most recent professional pen displays from Wacom support 120Hz: Cintiq Pro 27, Cintiq Pro 22, Cintiq Pro 17. I’m not aware of any other pen displays that support that rate.
The Cintiq Pro 17 I assume is the cheapest of these and sadly it's just too expensive for me. The two that I've been narrowing it down to, that I can afford are the Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 and the Huion Kamvas Pro 24 and I think those both support 60Hz if I'm not mistaken? The question is which of these I should go with or if there's another display that would be in a similar price range but with better specs.
@@marcuslewitzki4610 Yes those two support 60Hz - I have them actually plugged in and turned on right now. I bought the the Cintiq Pro 16 last month and it is a wonderful tablet and in drawing performance is is clearly better than the Huion Pro 24 4K. For my personal preference though, I like drawing on the larger size. But if you are OK with that 16" size, it is an excellent choice.
@@thesevenpens Ok, I do think 16" would be sufficient for me. The reason I started looking at the Huion is that a lot of reviews here on RUclips claimed it was basically the same quality as a Wacom of the same size, AND it's cheaper than the Wacom Cintiq Pro 16. So I would be getting a larger size for less money, with basically the same performance as a Wacom. The Cintiq Pro 16 does have multi touch but many people seem to think multi touch is overrated. So how much better drawing experience is the Cintiq Pro 16 compared to the Huion Kamvas Pro 24? I mean, since they are both 60Hz...
Have you tried using the Intuos pro with a tabletop easel? I find that helps me make elbow and shoulder strokes better. Thanks for the videos.
I'd also love to hear more in depth about this setup please
yep! feels great to have a pentablet on stand ,im using a cheap aluminum laptop stand - you get a fuller contact with your pen on the tablet surface as it mimics that of a drafting table.
Could you share which tablet and stand you are using?
I have used a stand. Though primarily with the Intuos 4 XL. For that tablet since it is so large, having the tablet at an angle helps me reach the far corners of the active area. The stand is shown at 16:36 in this video: ruclips.net/video/Tv_qX1Z9-wI/видео.html
So, even Bluetooth 5.0 latency is higher? (I suppose tests included such mouse) And Huion's tablets state 300 RPS (or PPS? is there a difference?)...Isn't it superior?
In some of the graphs that rtings.com did with mice click latency I saw sometimes the bluetooth numbers were pretty low, but never equivalent to the wired connection. And the bluetooth numbers always had a very wide distribution. Unfortunately it was not clear if the mice used BT 5.
As for RPS, among the tablet experts I talk to there is a sense that non-Wacom actual report rates might not might reach the numbers that are specified. Sometime this year, I'd like to test that out by trying OpenTabletDriver with some of my tablets since OTD does show the report rate.
So I bought a Wacom Intuos Medium and when I draw there is a slight delay it feels like.. The curses is a bit ahead of where I'm drawing.. and despite my screen being 240hz it just feels.. laggy? Is that supposed to be like that then?
Could you elaborate more on what you see?
I see exactly what it looks like with your high latency. It's like that whether I plug it into computer or just use bluetooth.
they are just dogsht compared to new ipad pro 2024 the difference is night and day thats why i could never use graphics tablet like that even the most expensive ones have so much delay sluggish piece of sht
Could the pointer lag made by the cintiq actually be caused by the screen? I know screens can have abysmal display lag occasionally
A great question. Some amount of what we visually see as pointer lag is indeed caused by screen issues (refresh rate, etc). But the vast majority is caused by the tablet (firmware) and tablet driver and to some extend how the operating pen subsystem works. One typical screen issue that does come up is refresh rate, if you set the refresh rate to something like 30Hz it will definitely give the appearance of lot of lag.
Windows since Win8 has forced DWM V-Sync, so there will always be extra lag and latency on top of all the rest. I only have the Cintiq 13HD and I didn't like it because of the paralax and lag, maybe you can get used to it but having my Intuos 4 and 3 for years and years it's hard to adjust.
Thanks for this comment. I don't really know much about display tech. Will look learn about and into this. I do eventually want to add an episode about how displays contribute to the effect of lag.
@@thesevenpens I tested the Cintiq13HD under 3 OS's, XP SP3, Vista 64 and Win7 64, both with Aero enabled and disabled, the lag was present in all. I don't think you can do anything software wise to minimize the input lag on these old Cintiq's. Latency on the OS level will add a few frames because of forced V-Sync. I was really surprised by the lag, it's not like drawing on paper where the response is immediate.
@mariobreskic When you see Cintiq videos and the line is way behind the pen that's not a camera effect, it's how it really is like. Thankfully I got the 13HD for free, I can't believe they're still being listed for 300 bucks, specially when that model has a design flaw on the connector.
@@farben_ Bro thats what im saying i cannot believe nobody talks about how sluggish they are all these money for dogsht trash feels like u paint on 100ping fr like how nobody talks about it or how ppl say things like the latency is top tier bro its unusable new ipad pro 2024 has the best latency i tested but in procreate and adobe fresco compared to samsung s9 and others like its crazy to me that Moblie tech is actually better than PCs one its so rare to see that how is this possible like i would pay alot to have this lag reduced in photoshop or tvpaint or clipstudio paint or w/e no problem but its just not there anywhere tilted af
So which pen displays have the highest report rate?
As of Oct 2023 the most recent professional pen displays from Wacom support 120Hz: Cintiq Pro 27, Cintiq Pro 22, Cintiq Pro 17. I’m not aware of any other pen displays that support that rate.
@@thesevenpens Ok, and with all other considerations this would mean these displays should have the over all lowest "pen lag"?
The Cintiq Pro 17 I assume is the cheapest of these and sadly it's just too expensive for me. The two that I've been narrowing it down to, that I can afford are the Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 and the Huion Kamvas Pro 24 and I think those both support 60Hz if I'm not mistaken? The question is which of these I should go with or if there's another display that would be in a similar price range but with better specs.
@@marcuslewitzki4610 Yes those two support 60Hz - I have them actually plugged in and turned on right now.
I bought the the Cintiq Pro 16 last month and it is a wonderful tablet and in drawing performance is is clearly better than the Huion Pro 24 4K. For my personal preference though, I like drawing on the larger size. But if you are OK with that 16" size, it is an excellent choice.
@@thesevenpens Ok, I do think 16" would be sufficient for me. The reason I started looking at the Huion is that a lot of reviews here on RUclips claimed it was basically the same quality as a Wacom of the same size, AND it's cheaper than the Wacom Cintiq Pro 16. So I would be getting a larger size for less money, with basically the same performance as a Wacom. The Cintiq Pro 16 does have multi touch but many people seem to think multi touch is overrated.
So how much better drawing experience is the Cintiq Pro 16 compared to the Huion Kamvas Pro 24? I mean, since they are both 60Hz...