Eliotte did you watch the whole thing between McDavid vs Garland? Both of them deserved penalties before the crosscheck, McDavid was not innocent in that.
Totally correct. McDavid started the mess with a heavy check on Garland, knocking him down and landing on top of him, then held him down. McDavid’s a big guy, Garland is a small player, 5’ 8”. McDavid is 6’ 1”. Huge difference. Garland tries to slow McDavid down buy awkwardly holding him with his legs, but McDavid gets up, punches Garland in the back of the head and cross checks him in the face for good measure. McDavid gets away with a LOT of sh*t and doesn’t get called. He should gets 5 games for this, Garland shouldn’t get anything, this was 100% McDavid’s mess. This is a guy that SUED his local minor hockey association to get what he wanted. He wants what he wants. He snaps a lot and is never held accountable.
Mcdavid has been gooning it up lately in his last few games he has concussed a player on the Kings, concussed a player on the Wild, and cross checked Garland in the face
@@lesbutler273I'm an oilers fan and you can clearly see he did a "chicken wing". He ever so slightly popped out that elbow. Also remember everything is slowed down in slo Mo to show us what happened. That elbow happened in 0.3 seconds in actual play. So mcdavid saying he didn't mean to do it is also justified. If ppl say mcdavid knew what he was doing then you are admitting that mcdavid can go slow motion! Just kidding lol! I think his 3 games was because of that elbow. I'm glad nobody was hurt, if garland was hurt than it would've been 5 games. Bouchard has an iron jaw though because I thought he should've lost some teeth!
What happened to the onus is on the player? Who cares what Mccrybaby was thinking. This is multiple games in which he's doing things to injure players. If it was anybody else he would have been suspended awhile ago. Look at Rempe. The narrative a few weeks ago was "I don't think he intended to hurt anybody but the onus is on him so the long suspension is justified."
@ohyeah1915 i agree with you there. I'm not even saying he shouldn't get angry and fight back. Just don't be hypocritical about it just because he's a star. Any time this happens with other players Elliot spouts off about how he gets it but the onus is on the player to maintain control of themselves or face the punishment. That's not the conversation they were having today though.
A penalty in the last two minutes of regulation should give the team the choice of taking a penalty shot, since not only are they not getting the full penalty time, but it would also stop the tactical penalties scenario. This would include a situation like this where a team may maintain possession through the closing buzzer, but still have an infraction to collect from the opponent
I don't understand what the Oilers would have done had there been a delayed penalty has to do with the incident between Garland and McDavid. Might be something coaches talk about and for which they develop a strategy, maybe. Outside of that the referees have to do their job. They, the referees, need to enforce the rules not 'manage' the game. I love the clip where the referee yells at Parayko to move the puck and, he says' "I can do what I want."
Its not that complicated. If the refs did their job and called the penalty on Garland for holding Mcdavid then he doesn't snap and cross check him in the face.
i thought the canucks were containing quite well and it looked to me like mc david laid on garland for 5 seconds before garland got out from under him and started wrestling him to the ice. it was 5 on 4 with those 2 on the ice and the oilers had the puck down low. i think the refs did the oilers a favour by letting play go on. YOU guys want mc david protected and playing. the fan bases wants fairness in calling games.
Elliot Friedman has always been a bit overrated… he’s one of the better reporters out there but he throws a lot of babble nonsense out. Mcdavid should have been suspended after elbowing Johansson of the Wild. What does he think he’s Mark Messier😂😂😂
With reference to the refs not calling a penalty, I completely disagree with any conditionals. The refs should have had their arms in the air, period. Leave it to the players to decide whether or not they want to keep the puck or have the penalty called. It should not be a factor at all in the refs decision to raise their arm. The Mcdavid situation is interesting. 1) let it be said that he definitely needs to be suspended (imo 2+ games). It is not ok to do that to any other player, no matter who you are or the context. 2) He is a star, and the league can't have stars molested on the ice like this at any point of the game. Nobody buys tickets to watch a wrestling match. They want to see stars doing star things. Players like Garner who think they can do this to star players need to be fined by the league. It needs to go beyond the officials to mandate this. You want to act like a goon? You make the league look bad and you ruin the stars, so pay the penalty.
The excuse for the refs that McDavid is too good and they can’t call everything is really a garbage excuse and a pass for them not doing their jobs. For every 10 infractions, 1 might get called. This is what the problem is and what really caused this. I’m not saying everything should be called and is sometimes missed but too much is ignored simply because of who he is. Hockey players are smart enough to learn how to control players without taking penalties but what’s the point when you can get away with it 90% of time against the best players. This isn’t just about McDavid, it’s about all star players that the NHL refuses to protect even though they are supposed to be the face of the new NHL. How do you explain to new fans what is and what isn’t a penalty when the inconsistency among officiating is so rampant?
Why don’t you guys trash talk the appalling officiating leading to McDavid’s self defence cross check. Bad officiating and gambling go together like ham & cheese. You should address that or at least point out the refs should never officiate in the NHL ever again.
The league and the refs are responsible for this cross check. It's that simple. If they enforce the rules of the game this would not happen as often as it does. McDavid got mugged and the refs just watched it. What a joke and this happens all the time so the player has to take matter inot their won hands. Mc David did that and oters may think twice before mugging him like that again. I applaud him for it. The league is a joke. They say they focus on player protection and then they don't enforce the rules and this happens and then the players is blamed when it is the fault of the league. Bettman, in my opinion has systematically ruined hockey from a fan perspective. I only watch playoff hockey now, the rest is fugure skating.
Conner should be pissed having those a/wipes tackling you like a football game. It's like watching Brian Watson hanging all over Bobby Hull back in the day. Everyone will only take so much!!!!!!
He gets the most unfair treatment from refs and players a like. If the refs actually called all penalties that McDavid draws the other team would most likely be in the box all game. I’m surprised he hasn’t snapped before tbh.
The JT Miller - Elias Pettersson conflict is really masking a bigger problem, imo. That is American-born players reach a point where they can no longer bear to play in a small-market Canadian team. They under-play their potential, they hold leverage over management because they usually have no-move or no-trade limitations, and they make it public that they want out. Trouba and Tzachuk are recent examples. Fox fits this also, except he had no leverage. Now JT Miller. Will small-market teams in Canada adjust their drafting models to avoid Americans? They should.
So siappointed in Elliott totally going McDavid and the Oilers are perfiect,don't ever touch them,,they can do anything they want to the other team..but then you're not a journalist soo say anything, eh?
So the message to the players is you can just hang on to top players without consequence. The league wants more scoring, they have to allow their stars to be able to move! Do we want to go back to the hook-and-hold era... I don't think so.
Wow, those are some strong rose coloured glasses you are wearing! Until the crosscheck, McDavid didn't do anything to cause a penalty. If you actually watch the clip and know simple body dynamics show that as Garland started to fall, his right arm wrapped around McDavid's left arm. He pulled McDavid down, he then rolled to lock McDavid's arm underneath him. McDavid was clearly trying to get up. Then McDavid got free and Garland straight up MMA takedown on McDavid. Then the stupid action by McDavid. I agree with the call for McDavid and he should be suspended. Enjoy those thick rose glasses 😂
That non call was so bogus! Vancouver dude was sitting on//holding him down, a good 10 or 12 seconds! How in hell is that not INTERFERENCE? and then the idiot ref gives everyone a penalty! Strong letter of protest to the NHL head quarters over that hot mess of a poorly officiated game..
He is not really very mentally stable .....there is definitely something wrong in the head with him .....how many sticks have been broken in rage....how many times does he slam the players bench door ....how many times do you see him crying in the dressing room ....the NHL tries to protect him but it is getting pretty obvious
Too many excuses being made for mcjesus lol battles like that where one player ends up on top of another and the top player plants his body weight on the bottom player to be able to get back to his skates almost the only option he’s got, they happen half a dozen times a game it’s certainly not going to be called with 10 seconds left in the game lol it was a brutal crosscheck to the face area. I don’t care if he gets suspended or not but let’s not act like he was justified.
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Eliotte did you watch the whole thing between McDavid vs Garland? Both of them deserved penalties before the crosscheck, McDavid was not innocent in that.
probobaly missed in all this is Bouchard holding Pettersson along the boards after the puck had already left the zone.
Totally correct. McDavid started the mess with a heavy check on Garland, knocking him down and landing on top of him, then held him down. McDavid’s a big guy, Garland is a small player, 5’ 8”. McDavid is 6’ 1”. Huge difference. Garland tries to slow McDavid down buy awkwardly holding him with his legs, but McDavid gets up, punches Garland in the back of the head and cross checks him in the face for good measure. McDavid gets away with a LOT of sh*t and doesn’t get called. He should gets 5 games for this, Garland shouldn’t get anything, this was 100% McDavid’s mess. This is a guy that SUED his local minor hockey association to get what he wanted. He wants what he wants. He snaps a lot and is never held accountable.
@@northerngal😂😂😂😂
@ Clearly McDavid was on top of Garland at one point but, he wasn't holding Garland down. Garland was holding McDavid's arm under his body.
Mcdavid has been gooning it up lately in his last few games he has concussed a player on the Kings, concussed a player on the Wild, and cross checked Garland in the face
Watch ten hockey games, just ten, and that elbow by McDavid looks, albeit intentional, like a tap.
He doesn't even hit the guy it was a dive and a half
@@lesbutler273I'm an oilers fan and you can clearly see he did a "chicken wing". He ever so slightly popped out that elbow.
Also remember everything is slowed down in slo Mo to show us what happened. That elbow happened in 0.3 seconds in actual play. So mcdavid saying he didn't mean to do it is also justified.
If ppl say mcdavid knew what he was doing then you are admitting that mcdavid can go slow motion!
Just kidding lol! I think his 3 games was because of that elbow. I'm glad nobody was hurt, if garland was hurt than it would've been 5 games. Bouchard has an iron jaw though because I thought he should've lost some teeth!
Obviously not to many of you watched hockey in the70’s 80’s . That was nothing compared to what used to happen in the average game back then.
The 1970s are ancient history, brah. Not many helmets and masks back then, either.
What happened to the onus is on the player? Who cares what Mccrybaby was thinking. This is multiple games in which he's doing things to injure players. If it was anybody else he would have been suspended awhile ago. Look at Rempe. The narrative a few weeks ago was "I don't think he intended to hurt anybody but the onus is on him so the long suspension is justified."
Players try to run n injure him every game. It goes both ways. If they called the proper penalties then players wouldn't do these things
@ohyeah1915 i agree with you there. I'm not even saying he shouldn't get angry and fight back. Just don't be hypocritical about it just because he's a star. Any time this happens with other players Elliot spouts off about how he gets it but the onus is on the player to maintain control of themselves or face the punishment. That's not the conversation they were having today though.
A penalty in the last two minutes of regulation should give the team the choice of taking a penalty shot, since not only are they not getting the full penalty time, but it would also stop the tactical penalties scenario. This would include a situation like this where a team may maintain possession through the closing buzzer, but still have an infraction to collect from the opponent
Get lost Bettman 🙄
@@alfernken ... that's a stupid reply. It's Bettman who is allowing this clear incompetence to continue.
11 minutes of listening to EF and his rhetoric I had to shut this off!
Exactly correct. The league justifying the league.
Exactly - what a joke
I agree with Elliot on the elbow explanation.
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I don't understand what the Oilers would have done had there been a delayed penalty has to do with the incident between Garland and McDavid. Might be something coaches talk about and for which they develop a strategy, maybe. Outside of that the referees have to do their job. They, the referees, need to enforce the rules not 'manage' the game. I love the clip where the referee yells at Parayko to move the puck and, he says' "I can do what I want."
Cross-checking an opponent is the definition of a "mean streak"? How much does Friedman get paid to enable McLoser, anyway?
Its not that complicated. If the refs did their job and called the penalty on Garland for holding Mcdavid then he doesn't snap and cross check him in the face.
i thought the canucks were containing quite well and it looked to me like mc david laid on garland for 5 seconds before garland got out from under him and started wrestling him to the ice. it was 5 on 4 with those 2 on the ice and the oilers had the puck down low. i think the refs did the oilers a favour by letting play go on. YOU guys want mc david protected and playing. the fan bases wants fairness in calling games.
the offer was Chytil, Lindgren, and 1st rounder for Miller. deal fell apart.
Who's your source? I'd do that for Vancouver in a minute
@8:33 Exactly right @9:03 more justification
Elliot Friedman has always been a bit overrated… he’s one of the better reporters out there but he throws a lot of babble nonsense out. Mcdavid should have been suspended after elbowing Johansson of the Wild. What does he think he’s Mark Messier😂😂😂
Why are theOilers not getting Reeves type of player ?
With reference to the refs not calling a penalty, I completely disagree with any conditionals. The refs should have had their arms in the air, period. Leave it to the players to decide whether or not they want to keep the puck or have the penalty called. It should not be a factor at all in the refs decision to raise their arm.
The Mcdavid situation is interesting.
1) let it be said that he definitely needs to be suspended (imo 2+ games). It is not ok to do that to any other player, no matter who you are or the context.
2) He is a star, and the league can't have stars molested on the ice like this at any point of the game. Nobody buys tickets to watch a wrestling match. They want to see stars doing star things. Players like Garner who think they can do this to star players need to be fined by the league. It needs to go beyond the officials to mandate this. You want to act like a goon? You make the league look bad and you ruin the stars, so pay the penalty.
Correct
The excuse for the refs that McDavid is too good and they can’t call everything is really a garbage excuse and a pass for them not doing their jobs. For every 10 infractions, 1 might get called. This is what the problem is and what really caused this. I’m not saying everything should be called and is sometimes missed but too much is ignored simply because of who he is. Hockey players are smart enough to learn how to control players without taking penalties but what’s the point when you can get away with it 90% of time against the best players. This isn’t just about McDavid, it’s about all star players that the NHL refuses to protect even though they are supposed to be the face of the new NHL. How do you explain to new fans what is and what isn’t a penalty when the inconsistency among officiating is so rampant?
Love the sentence-length time stamps. Cannot stand NHL officiating incompetence, as ever
Why do I need to listen to you two talk at 1.5x speed sounds like y'all have been on the bottle.
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Down 3-2 McChickenwing snapped. Probably had something to do with playing ketchup.
Why don’t you guys trash talk the appalling officiating leading to McDavid’s self defence cross check. Bad officiating and gambling go together like ham & cheese. You should address that or at least point out the refs should never officiate in the NHL ever again.
The league and the refs are responsible for this cross check. It's that simple. If they enforce the rules of the game this would not happen as often as it does. McDavid got mugged and the refs just watched it. What a joke and this happens all the time so the player has to take matter inot their won hands. Mc David did that and oters may think twice before mugging him like that again. I applaud him for it. The league is a joke. They say they focus on player protection and then they don't enforce the rules and this happens and then the players is blamed when it is the fault of the league. Bettman, in my opinion has systematically ruined hockey from a fan perspective. I only watch playoff hockey now, the rest is fugure skating.
Conner should be pissed having those a/wipes tackling you like a football game. It's like watching Brian Watson hanging all over Bobby Hull back in the day. Everyone will only take so much!!!!!!
Don’t protect the stars, and suspend them multiple games too. The NHL is a total garbage league.
And trade For a goalie while you are at it?
@5:55 justification
Mcdavid also punched Garland right in the back of the head seconds before this so let's not sit here and place blame on anyone but him.
Mcdavid is 200th in penalties drawn per 60 what a joke
This whole discussion is joke ... enforce the rules of the game.
That’s a mcbaby streak.. not very mean going after one of the smallest players in the league
Should be 2 games ..
The refs are so guilty in not controlling this game.......they should get reprimanded heavily!!
He gets the most unfair treatment from refs and players a like. If the refs actually called all penalties that McDavid draws the other team would most likely be in the box all game. I’m surprised he hasn’t snapped before tbh.
The JT Miller - Elias Pettersson conflict is really masking a bigger problem, imo. That is American-born players reach a point where they can no longer bear to play in a small-market Canadian team. They under-play their potential, they hold leverage over management because they usually have no-move or no-trade limitations, and they make it public that they want out. Trouba and Tzachuk are recent examples. Fox fits this also, except he had no leverage. Now JT Miller. Will small-market teams in Canada adjust their drafting models to avoid Americans? They should.
So siappointed in Elliott totally going McDavid and the Oilers are perfiect,don't ever touch them,,they can do anything they want to the other team..but then you're not a journalist soo say anything, eh?
I guess your lithium is on backorder
So the message to the players is you can just hang on to top players without consequence. The league wants more scoring, they have to allow their stars to be able to move! Do we want to go back to the hook-and-hold era... I don't think so.
Mcdavid tackled garland first to start the battle. Mcdavid deserved what he got back from garland.
There is no excuse for the crosscheck.
Wow, those are some strong rose coloured glasses you are wearing! Until the crosscheck, McDavid didn't do anything to cause a penalty. If you actually watch the clip and know simple body dynamics show that as Garland started to fall, his right arm wrapped around McDavid's left arm. He pulled McDavid down, he then rolled to lock McDavid's arm underneath him. McDavid was clearly trying to get up. Then McDavid got free and Garland straight up MMA takedown on McDavid. Then the stupid action by McDavid. I agree with the call for McDavid and he should be suspended. Enjoy those thick rose glasses 😂
That non call was so bogus! Vancouver dude was sitting on//holding him down, a good 10 or 12 seconds! How in hell is that not INTERFERENCE? and then the idiot ref gives everyone a penalty! Strong letter of protest to the NHL head quarters over that hot mess of a poorly officiated game..
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He is not really very mentally stable .....there is definitely something wrong in the head with him .....how many sticks have been broken in rage....how many times does he slam the players bench door ....how many times do you see him crying in the dressing room ....the NHL tries to protect him but it is getting pretty obvious
Too many excuses being made for mcjesus lol battles like that where one player ends up on top of another and the top player plants his body weight on the bottom player to be able to get back to his skates almost the only option he’s got, they happen half a dozen times a game it’s certainly not going to be called with 10 seconds left in the game lol it was a brutal crosscheck to the face area. I don’t care if he gets suspended or not but let’s not act like he was justified.
Watch the play again. When McDavid is overtop of Garland, Garland is holding his arm so Connor can’t get back up into the play.
The league should protect its stars esp the face of the game - the NBA and NFL does it
Like how?
Does protecting the stars give them the greenlight to injure other players without consequence ?