at least you'll be ready for the zombie apocalypse or the economy crashing or the power grid going down, but those things will never happen .. ok maybe not the power grid one
Love your videos. Can you do a 100ah solar generator build with the Battery hookup 4 pack 3.6v cells that they sell? I would love to see how you connect a bms and build it. Thanks.
I see Signature Solar has a 400ah @ 12V battery priced at a very competitive price of $1,499.00, it would be great to see what you think of this one! Really like your videos keep up the good work!
Question: Can you wire a 12v cigarette adapter directly to this and use a portable power stations 12v charger to charge the power station. Even if the chemistry of the batteries are different? Lifepo4 to LI ion?
Yes, you absolutely could. The output of the cigarette lighter plug wouldn't be a regulated 12V obviously, but it doesn't matter in the application you described as the portable power station's charger would accommodate the small voltage fluctuation (10-14V).
@@LithiumSolar interesting. Trying to figure out if it's worth it to just add an external battery to my PPS or just buy another one. My PPS are a lot smaller than a battery like this tho.
I am a little suspicious of that capacity. I've seen several times on other people's channels including Will's that when a company sends battery specifically for a review, they send a better version that they know will pass and it's a little different than what you get buying it as a normal person.
I can't comment on whether or not they pre-tested it. They sent me an invoice like it went through their ordering system, so I assume it was fulfilled the same way. I would certainly hope they were honest and sent me a retail production battery that is the same as everyone else gets.
Ben me too. Capacity is an average of 3 or more testing at different C rating. Usually, the first testing always are lower. And the price is disproportionately high for this chemistry which is nothing more than a little better than lead acid batteries. There are a bunch of these batteries that look exactly the same in the inside but different name tag outside and some are selling at Amazon for close to $400.00 dollars a piece. The only thing I like about these batteries is the laser weld in the terminals which eliminate the chance of loose connection. Some of these batteries start ballooning after 2 or tree months even if you don't abuse or cycle them completely because of defective manufacturing mixture. Buying this batteries is a high risk investment with very low return.
I bought one of these batteries at Costco for $689.99 and just tested it for it’s capacity. I got 106.25ah and it was still going but decided to stop. The voltage when I stopped the test was 12.35v. I was skeptical as well about their claimed rating but it definitely met the rating and exceeded it.
@@brentspaulding9990 the good thing about Costco is their return policy. If these batteries belly up, you are safe 100% cash flow. I guess they are built preaty good, to sell at costco with lifetime return. No risk taken buy at Costco
Any chance you could help me choose correct battery monitor?! I watched your videos they awesome but couldn't figure out what would suit me best at my application?! You are awesome!
Primary drawback seems to be poor serviceability. I can understand the laser welding, but making it incredibly hard to service or replace the BMS doesn't fill my heart with joy.
IMO I feel if I'm going to pay a grand for a LiFePO4 I should be able to get close to the rated capacity at a reasonable discharge rate of at least 40 amps for a 100ah unit. One of the big selling points for LiFePO4 is that they can discharge at higher rates at a very limited capacity loss when compared to SLA. I know it is more work but it would be great to see reviewers doing the 40a test after the usual 20a.
The problem with asking for free stuff to test, is they will always send their best.. Would be nice to buy one without them knowing and do the same test again.
I agree 100% with your statement, even though his opinion in his own, they will cherry pick to make sure he gets the best on hand, or even put one together just for him.
I bought mine at Costco and tested it for its capacity. I got 106.25 ah and it was still going. I stopped the test and the voltage was still 12.35. They may pick the best but it seems from my experience that their batteries do reach their stated capacity even a reduced price one from Costco.
@@reubenj.cogburn8546 Then Lithium solar would not get a comment for his algorithm and I didn't ask for the price I asked if he could rate them against the price so the rating would be weighted.
I'm going to ask a dumb question. A major outlet store I shop at has these on sale, 2 for 1.3k. Why are these so expensive? Aren't similar deep-cycle batteries about 100-150 each? Do people actually pay 1.3k dollars?
By "similar deep-cycle batteries" I assume you're referring to lead acid. A LiFePO4 battery is good for several thousand cycles. A lead acid battery is good for a few hundred, and even then, you're only supposed to discharge it to 50% of it's rating. You'll replace that $150 lead acid battery many times throughout the life of a $500 LiFePO4 battery.
I sort of 'jumped the gun' & strongly endorsed this battery for the last 18 or so months. I really think that the design of the battery is of high enough quality that the risk of a Chinese build is mitigated by the demands. i.e. hydraulically crimped 8 AWG wires using appropriately sized bolts. If the cells are tested and matched prior to build- I can't see any real problems with each build. I love: the small size, the light weight, the 1.5C discharge rate & series/parallel choices but dislike the terminal connections. Too easy to get loose over time, but- proper planning will reduce that risk. I do wish it was priced a little lower, but- there are so many good things about it, I can't argue it with any passion. It's a good value @ $850.00.
@@michaelbrown2443 Now THAT is a smokin' hot deal! At $700.00 I think it is worth every penny. I need a few if that's my route though and when it was going on last Spring? Summer? I didn't have the dollars set aside. Genuinely- my bad!
It's $850 and yes, there are cheaper options on the market, such as BigBattery's OWL (170Ah). I'd prefer DIY myself, but many don't want to DIY batteries.
If it wasn’t because they sent you the battery for free i would be more impressed. However they knew you would do a video on it so they made sure all was good with it before they sent to you for review.
I am not a Fan of the cells being laser welded together, if one cell goes bad the entire battery is junk, on top of them cementing it in the case to make any other type of servicing impossible without damaging the case.
@@LithiumSolar I’m running a 24 V system, but I could easily be running a 48 V system also. Battle born doesn’t seem to have any limitations that I know of. I’ve seen will Prowse breakdown both batteries, and battle born wins on build!
@@benjones8977 I checked the Battle Born website and you can only connect 4 of their 100Ah batteries in series as well, same as the Lion Energy. The Battle Born manual explicitly states not to connect more than 48V (or 4 batteries) in series.
@@LithiumSolar Thanks for the update. I have my batteries in series parallel for a 24 V bank and I spoke to them on the phone, they said I can wire them this way no problems and up to a 20 battery bank. I only have eight wired in series parallel and no issues.
At this point I feel like I need to start an off-grid project or something just to justify all the battery/solar solution videos I've watched.
no kidding
You should do it. You will have a lot of fun and have off-grid energy when you are done.
Power supply for you, neighbors or friends when power goes out or camping, etc.
at least you'll be ready for the zombie apocalypse or the economy crashing or the power grid going down, but those things will never happen .. ok maybe not the power grid one
Awesome Review!
yes, I think so, you also a nice professional review engineer.
Great review. Thanks for doing that. I was surprised to see that the cells are not compressed.
Sounds like a decent battery!!!
It better be for the price!
@@Ovation36 TROOF!😁
Nice LifePO4 setup. And it is above 105aH
That digiorno is gonna be thin crust now...
Lol good, I prefer thin crust anyway ;)
Love your videos. Can you do a 100ah solar generator build with the Battery hookup 4 pack 3.6v cells that they sell? I would love to see how you connect a bms and build it. Thanks.
Great video, as always, Mike!
As always another Great video, thanks again . Take care
It appears they are using VHB tape between the cells. 'Current Connected' did a similar build with Eneramp 170 batteries..
I see Signature Solar has a 400ah @ 12V battery priced at a very competitive price of $1,499.00, it would be great to see what you think of this one! Really like your videos keep up the good work!
Just buy them from the source and save a lot of $$$.. their Gyll batteries are just rebranded VGlory batteries..
Can you review a Enduro 200Ah
Thanks for another great video, keep em coming. Thanks.
The discharge test how long did it take?
Cheers!
I didn't time the test exactly, but it was a 0.2C test so I assume it took approximately 5 hours.
Thanks for the great video.
Can i have the Android display link to buy??
Information on the tablet setup can be found here ruclips.net/video/wKTXJidnfl4/видео.html
Nice battery case box 👍
Question:
Can you wire a 12v cigarette adapter directly to this and use a portable power stations 12v charger to charge the power station.
Even if the chemistry of the batteries are different? Lifepo4 to LI ion?
Yes, you absolutely could. The output of the cigarette lighter plug wouldn't be a regulated 12V obviously, but it doesn't matter in the application you described as the portable power station's charger would accommodate the small voltage fluctuation (10-14V).
@@LithiumSolar interesting. Trying to figure out if it's worth it to just add an external battery to my PPS or just buy another one.
My PPS are a lot smaller than a battery like this tho.
I am a little suspicious of that capacity. I've seen several times on other people's channels including Will's that when a company sends battery specifically for a review, they send a better version that they know will pass and it's a little different than what you get buying it as a normal person.
I can't comment on whether or not they pre-tested it. They sent me an invoice like it went through their ordering system, so I assume it was fulfilled the same way. I would certainly hope they were honest and sent me a retail production battery that is the same as everyone else gets.
@@LithiumSolar check out my review video from two years ago. They lied about their rated capacity. They fixed this problem, but I won't forget it.
Ben me too. Capacity is an average of 3 or more testing at different C rating. Usually, the first testing always are lower. And the price is disproportionately high for this chemistry which is nothing more than a little better than lead acid batteries. There are a bunch of these batteries that look exactly the same in the inside but different name tag outside and some are selling at Amazon for close to $400.00 dollars a piece. The only thing I like about these batteries is the laser weld in the terminals which eliminate the chance of loose connection. Some of these batteries start ballooning after 2 or tree months even if you don't abuse or cycle them completely because of defective manufacturing mixture. Buying this batteries is a high risk investment with very low return.
I bought one of these batteries at Costco for $689.99 and just tested it for it’s capacity. I got 106.25ah and it was still going but decided to stop. The voltage when I stopped the test was 12.35v. I was skeptical as well about their claimed rating but it definitely met the rating and exceeded it.
@@brentspaulding9990 the good thing about Costco is their return policy. If these batteries belly up, you are safe 100% cash flow. I guess they are built preaty good, to sell at costco with lifetime return. No risk taken buy at Costco
Any chance you could help me choose correct battery monitor?! I watched your videos they awesome but couldn't figure out what would suit me best at my application?! You are awesome!
I wonder if those cells perform better than the cylindricals used in BattleBorns.
another great video dude
Primary drawback seems to be poor serviceability. I can understand the laser welding, but making it incredibly hard to service or replace the BMS doesn't fill my heart with joy.
How many people are going to internally service such a battery? A good factory guarantee is more important IMHO.
IMO I feel if I'm going to pay a grand for a LiFePO4 I should be able to get close to the rated capacity at a reasonable discharge rate of at least 40 amps for a 100ah unit. One of the big selling points for LiFePO4 is that they can discharge at higher rates at a very limited capacity loss when compared to SLA. I know it is more work but it would be great to see reviewers doing the 40a test after the usual 20a.
Good point. I can start incorporating a higher-rate discharge test into these kind of videos as well.
Yes.👍 Akb LiFePo4.🔋
The problem with asking for free stuff to test, is they will always send their best.. Would be nice to buy one without them knowing and do the same test again.
I agree 100% with your statement, even though his opinion in his own, they will cherry pick to make sure he gets the best on hand, or even put one together just for him.
I bought mine at Costco and tested it for its capacity. I got 106.25 ah and it was still going. I stopped the test and the voltage was still 12.35. They may pick the best but it seems from my experience that their batteries do reach their stated capacity even a reduced price one from Costco.
What gauge wire would I need for 3 batteries in series?
What does the reset button actually do ie is it just a bms reboot. This battery is a good one. Maybe you could have a rating which includes the price
OR with a couple of mouse clicks, you could find out for yourself.
I timed it, it took me 4 seconds.
900.00
@@reubenj.cogburn8546 Then Lithium solar would not get a comment for his algorithm and I didn't ask for the price I asked if he could rate them against the price so the rating would be weighted.
Finally a company that's figured out under promising and over delivering!
That seems to be a well built unit!
Thank you, sir.
I'm going to ask a dumb question. A major outlet store I shop at has these on sale, 2 for 1.3k. Why are these so expensive? Aren't similar deep-cycle batteries about 100-150 each? Do people actually pay 1.3k dollars?
By "similar deep-cycle batteries" I assume you're referring to lead acid. A LiFePO4 battery is good for several thousand cycles. A lead acid battery is good for a few hundred, and even then, you're only supposed to discharge it to 50% of it's rating. You'll replace that $150 lead acid battery many times throughout the life of a $500 LiFePO4 battery.
Are those the same 100ah lifepo4 cells I can get for like $200 on ali?
i got four 280 ah cells for $115 each from aliexpress $50 for a 100 hmp bms and ive got this beat
@@davidkettell5726 Yea I have them on order and an overkill bms. Can't wait.
@@davidkettell5726 second hand battery cells
The link doesn't give a discount
You have to add it to your cart and go to the checkout page. You should see a discount code applied at that point.
Try SoK
These? www.sokbattery.com/products/100ah-12v-lifepo4-deep-cycle-battery looks like they're out of stock :(
「明確なメッセージ、明確な構造、理解しやすい、ありがとう」、
I sort of 'jumped the gun' & strongly endorsed this battery for the last 18 or so months. I really think that the design of the battery is of high enough quality that the risk of a Chinese build is mitigated by the demands. i.e. hydraulically crimped 8 AWG wires using appropriately sized bolts. If the cells are tested and matched prior to build- I can't see any real problems with each build. I love: the small size, the light weight, the 1.5C discharge rate & series/parallel choices but dislike the terminal connections. Too easy to get loose over time, but- proper planning will reduce that risk. I do wish it was priced a little lower, but- there are so many good things about it, I can't argue it with any passion. It's a good value @ $850.00.
They were 699 or 750 at Costco at various times...
@@michaelbrown2443 Now THAT is a smokin' hot deal! At $700.00 I think it is worth every penny. I need a few if that's my route though and when it was going on last Spring? Summer? I didn't have the dollars set aside. Genuinely- my bad!
$1000? how does that compare with your other solutions as far as dollars per watt/hour?
It's $850 and yes, there are cheaper options on the market, such as BigBattery's OWL (170Ah). I'd prefer DIY myself, but many don't want to DIY batteries.
Great battery evidently, but not as far as the price is concerned (999 USD for 1.25kWh?).
$850 but yes, it's rather expensive...
$700 each at Costco
I bought the 2pack
7:18 You CAN buy flatter pizzas, you know.
Really Cool Battery, but for the price point does not make sense compared to BigBattery 12V OWL - LifePO4 -170Ah - 2.176kWh.
If it wasn’t because they sent you the battery for free i would be more impressed. However they knew you would do a video on it so they made sure all was good with it before they sent to you for review.
I am not a Fan of the cells being laser welded together, if one cell goes bad the entire battery is junk, on top of them cementing it in the case to make any other type of servicing impossible without damaging the case.
Big cost ... 4 x prismatic 100ah and bluetooth BMS and shipment = 700$ ...
DIY will always be cheaper :)
😁😎
May I say that 1k for 1.3 kWh unit is very pricy...
$850 with the discount link ;) But yes, it is a bit on the high side...
@@LithiumSolar 689$ costco and be warranty secure with return policy.
Crazy expensive.
Costco 689 $
This doesn't compete on quality with battleborn, and doesn't have better value at the same price. What's the point?
Too bad they can’t run more than four batteries in series, glad I went with battle born.
What voltage system are you running? I haven't tested a Battle Born yet, what are their limits?
@@LithiumSolar
I’m running a 24 V system, but I could easily be running a 48 V system also. Battle born doesn’t seem to have any limitations that I know of.
I’ve seen will Prowse breakdown both batteries, and battle born wins on build!
@@benjones8977 I checked the Battle Born website and you can only connect 4 of their 100Ah batteries in series as well, same as the Lion Energy. The Battle Born manual explicitly states not to connect more than 48V (or 4 batteries) in series.
It's on page 5 :) 1t1pye1e13di20waq11old70-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/10012-2021-Manual.pdf
@@LithiumSolar
Thanks for the update. I have my batteries in series parallel for a 24 V bank and I spoke to them on the phone, they said I can wire them this way no problems and up to a 20 battery bank. I only have eight wired in series parallel and no issues.
$799 as if 10/29/21
850 bucks lol and 15% off ...
So, just going to replicate whatever Will Prowse does?
I'm not following...? What exactly am I "replicating"?
sadly it costs twice what it is worth.
it is too expensive.
Reviewing a free battery? And 100 ah @ $1000. LOL! Bye.