Attention all here: The EMD 1010J here is REALLY the 265H resurrected in V12 form. The H engine started out in EMD's SD89MAC in the 80s and 90s. It put out 4500 brake hp. Twin turbo of course. Then, the V16 version debuted in the SD90MAC on Union Pacific and later went on to Canadian Pacific. The H engine at that time spent more time in the shop than on trains. When UP and EMD realized they got nowhere with the 265H they halted it, and re-engined the 90MACs with 710s. Now that emission rules were getting tighter, EMD looks like they got the right technology to bring back the H engine and re-named it the 1010J engine. The 1010 means its 1,010 cubic inches of displacement from each cylinder...I seem to be a bit late with this info I think but I read the comments and felt like saying something...thanks
PingasTheFourth What I meant to reference to about the 4500 was that the 265H was debuted as a V12 in the 89MAC (which was a prototype). And the bhp is that the engine can be held at a specific RPM to provide a certain amount of power to the traction motors via the gargantuan alternator they have or had...
Actually the 1010 (and 265H) are 1010 cubic inches, With the exception of the 265H. EMD (and Detroit Diesel 2-strokes) model numbers were the displacement of a cylinder in cubic inches.
It has a lope reminiscent of the 265H 16 cylinder from years ago. The radiator side vents are also very similar to the SD90MAC-H. My exposure to these and the GE T4 engines so far is that the exhaust sound is so muffled by the after-treatment DEF etc that you can't really hear much. Thanks for posting this one with no horn, bell, or background music!
The GE engine, e.g. Amtrak’s P42, has an engine that one can *feel* (as well as hear) should you get close to one at idle, e.g. when boarding a southbound train in May 2021.
Finally a video of what these beasts sound like! Thank you very very much for uploading this video, I've been searching for the sound of this new engine since they first came out and this is the first one I have ever found. Now all we need is to hear one of these working a heavy train up a grade without a horn constantly blasting or flanges screaming... I see what people mean by kind of GE like, I'd say there's a bit of ALCo in there too. Either way it's something different and hopefully something more reliable than it's 265H ancestor
Mark Huett maybe when cruising/coasting because of the traction motor and alternator noise but in run 8 and at starting load it sounds W E I R D like nothing I've ever heard before. the one I heard the other day I was just out for a walk and wasn't even ready but I heard it coming and I was like... "uh that sounds like no GE or EMD I've ever heard" then looked up and Bam, tier 4 unit!
Eric Milroy I chased this unit after it left on the highway and it was so quiet the only thing I could hear was the GE behind it. Never heard it throttling before but I would like to at some point
I found an video of a GE T4 climbing a hill with a nice size load and a huge vacuum cleaner all the way, I then played it beside another video of some T3 Gevo's and it was a night and day differents.
Of course it 'sounds like a GE.." because it's a four-stroke H engine ya dope! Very low idle, and extremely high pressure injection. Each firing bangs just like a GE... Not a rip-off, just typical four-stroke diesel sounds!
I work next to a rail yard, and I hear these engines idling in the dark every morning before my shift starts... they sound so good echoing off the side of the mountain near the yard
I don't think that people realize that the EMD 265 (the basis of the EMD 12-1010J) predates the development of the GEVO prime mover series. Not sure how it would be called a "gevo ripoff"
ATSF854 I know it does. I wasn't referring to engine components. Just the way it sounds makes it sound like a GEVO in a way. The basis for the 10J I think if I read correctly somewhere was also very similar to what EMD used in the SD90MAC-H.
ATSF854 False. The Gevo is based on the 7HDL, development began almost simultaneously with the 265. There's more 7HDL in the Gevo than there is 265 in the 1010.
The GEVO/7HDL has its roots in the Duetz MWM632 spark ignited engine which had been around since at least the early 90's. The 1010J/265H has its roots in the canceled EMD 854H 4-stroke program of the late 1980s. Neither is a rip-off of ether, other than both being 4 stroke medium speed diesels, they are absolutely nothing alike each other in design.
That's more a result of the 1010 being a 4-stroke engine than anything else. The 7FDL and GEVO are both 4-strokes, as was the ALCO 244 and 251, while the 567, 645, and 710 are 2-strokes. The 1010 is far more similar mechanically to the GEVO and 7FDL than other EMD engines, logic follows that it at least won't sound like other EMD engines even though I personally think it sounds distinctly different from the GEVO.
the difference here is clear:the EMD is idling like a large diesel engine should,the GE is idling as though its eating up its rod bearings - the pronounced bang bang bang............also,the EMD is idling faster then the GE. if GE adjusted its fuel injection sequence, they would almost sound the same.
Actually the big difference is that in economy idle the gevo drops down to a rotating 6 cylinder firing sequence. Which means that it’s only running on half the cylinders at a given time, hence the very choppy idle. I haven’t had the chance to get my hands on one of our EMD t4 demonstrator units but going by sound, they run on all 12 which is why they are so much smoother, plus a slightly higher idle speed. Also remember that the exhaust on the emd is routed through 3 turbochargers and a muffler, hence the quiet. A tier 4 twin turbo gevo in 12 cylinder low idle is almost as quiet.
Kevin the train hunter it will idle on 6 cylinders under specific conditions. The engine must be warm, reverser centred, low load, ect. It’s designed to save fuel when the unit is just sitting there standing by.
For the most part an EMD and a GE sounded different because EMD was 2-stroke, and GE always 4-stroke. Now as EMD has turned to 4-stoke, thanks to Tier 4 regulations, obviously there's no audible sound difference any more. I understand these T4 diesels have a large filter device which muffles the engine noise anyway
Just like its 265-H predecessor, these hunks of junk have proven to be more trouble than they’re worth. And after CSX just sent back the ten they tested for three years, UP now remains the sole owner of these things. You’re basically listening to the end of EMD with these idling away.
These units are very quiet, not something I really care for. However, if you ever find one of these on the back of a train shoving in DPU service in notch 8, you can really hear the exhaust then. That being said, I hope that we aren't entering the age of exhaust silencing. Fortunately, from videos I've seen, these new units don't seem to have silencers, they just run really quiet.
TrainTrackTrav yep seems like there trying to shut thim up I had two of bnsf gp25 rebuilds switching some rock cars and whin there idling you caint here thim so stupid they did have a Kinda loud bassy sound whin they throttled up but its ban whin a dam refer on a semi is louder):
It’s probably mainly the emissions equipment added on. These must comply to tier 4 emissions, which requires a DEF system with a DPF filter, along with EGR and a lot of other systems. Basically if your in the automotive field or own anything made past 2014 with a diesel in it, you already know how problematic these style emissions systems are. Biggest thing on smaller diesels is they reduce the fuel economy almost twice. A 24 valve 6.7 Cummins for example gets about 13mpg, remove all the emissions crap, and they go up to about 21-24 mpg, also not to mention if one system fails or reads wrong the engine must shut down immidiatly, I’m curious to see if these 1010j engines are going to have the same issues as the smaller automotive, tractor, semi truck, and construction equipment engines are plagued with currently
Andrew Beeman These locomotives do not use DEF, the big 4 railroads stated very early on they did not want to run DEF/adblue in their locomotives so GE and EMD were able to make T4 locomotives that do not need it. They use a combination of compound turbocharging, EGR and a DPF to meet the T4 targets. The reason the exhaust sound is so quiet is that so much energy has already been taken out of the exhaust gases by the turbochargers, DPF's and silencers by the time it exits the exhaust pipe unfortunately. The only big prime mover that needs DEF is the Cummins QSK95 which a few passenger railroads have bought.
That's because it is! CAT owns EMD haha. The engine in the new SD70 is a 1010J, which is just a rail service optimized variation of the CAT C280 engine series. The C280 series in its own right is essentially an EMD 265H engine with all the teething issues ironed out, which itself is based off of a mid 80's conceptual 4 stroke engine design that EMD toyed around with before shelving permanently called the 854 engine. This was done in response to compete better with GE's FDL and later HDL engines that were even back then starting to seriously steal EMDs two stroke thunder. The final nail in the coffin of the EMD two stroke was the progression of EPA diesel emmissions requiments. Maybe if EMD has poured vastly larger amounts of research into the 2 stroke engine cycle as well as better emissions control tech, as well as turning to a clean Sheet Design they could have maybe been able to pass emissions. However, four strokes are waaaaaay more efficient and provide not more, but steadier torque since they have an antjre stroke dedicated to secondary exhaust gas expansion. This extracts more energy out of the combustion event as torque and also allows for cleaner non-scavenging separation of Exhuast and intake gases and leads to higher efficiencies and less pollution. EGR IS NOT even close to the same thing, just pointing that out, and is in fact used to mitigate diesel emissions.
Love the air compressor people going love these motors idling in there little cozy towns at night. I work for hallcon still hoping to see one soon sucks bnsf canceled there order.
Ok everyone let's cut through all the BS, this is a new engine develop by EMD in a very short period of time. If you're going to compete with your competitors you have to make adjustment. You have to give them credit where credit is due. The 1010J is a 4 stroke, of course it's it's going to sound like a GE. What did you expect. Believe it or not they are still in the testing stage of this locomotive let's give them some time.
This isn’t a GEVO ripoff imo. To me, it sounds more like an ALCo M series. Even if it was, EMD did it better than GE cause the sound of the fuel injectors is actually in unison unlike the GEVO’s, which seem to fire at random intervals. Seriously, the GEVO’s at idle sound like a dryer full of aluminum cans 😂
It is true that was the tested 265H that went in the SD90MAC, the 6000hp EMD 4-cycle H engine. It was put to the side instead of working on refining it. I know it was cheaper to go with the 710, but they should've refined it before they got desperate. I hope it isn't a lemon engine st 12-cylinders.
@@blackbirdgaming8147 That's the same reason the Alco 244 became a troublesome engine. It was a refined 241 that had many problems of its own. The 244 was rushed into production to compete with the EMD 567's too early without comprehensive testing which bit Alco in the butt in just a few years of service. The 251 arrived too late to heal the bad feelings of the railroads that bought them. I hope the 1010 doesn't run into this durability problem.
Interesting that in 2021, now.... nearly 100 Percent of All EMD Export locomotives are ordered with the 710 Prime Mover.... only the US & Canada are using the 12-1010J.
EMD goes to 4 cycles; sounds like an engine that you make a song with, it's rap is more refined, now if only NS, BNSF, & CSX would buy some. Are their horns on the long hood?
dblkrailfan the horn is weird. It's a All bell forward K5LLA on the main body and then there's 2 extra bells mounted near the rear headlights on the back end. When all sounded together it gives the horn a unique tune.
SouthernPacificPatch "Due to height clearance restrictions, production models of the SD70ACe-T4 will be equipped with one K5LLA airhorn, mounted on a low-profile base, facing forward, and one "dual tone" K-13B airhorn, mounted over the rear headlight, facing rearward." - EMD... The dual tone bell gives a different tune to it
@Milepost34.9 I think you should know its because the 4-stroke engine gives off the kind of sounds like the GE. GE engines are also 4-stroke. And also do record one with the throttling. Its not complete with a throttling of that new spanking engine.
I havent seen one upclose since this video was taken. There really is no way of getting a throttle sound out of it as they are so quiet in the first place.
Hey losers: the 2 stroke is still a very viable engine geometry. The only reason EMD quit the 2 stroke is because of emissions. I can only hope that the 1010j will prove to be more reliable than the 265h.
Emd engines dont idle any faster than ge it that the 710 series are 2stroke meaning the piston fires once every revolution of the crankshahft instead of every other in a ge 4 stroke as for the rod bearings they will outlast any 4 stroke !
Kevin the train hunter I wonder this too as most videos of the t4 seems to be of them cruising and not under load. since the 1010 is mechanically related to the 265H I wonder if it maybe similar sounding just quieter? I think I heard one a few weeks ago at full throttle because I didn't recognize the engine sound and now that I think about it sounded like an old sd90mac-h but there were woods between me and the tracks so I wasn't bale to make out what it was for sure
Eric Milroy When it is in a load pulling state you still won't hear anything. I heard this unit pulling the loaded coal up a hill just before it got to the plant and it just hums. The GE was the only thing that sounded like it was giving power.
Coleto Creek Rail Productions I guess it's good for engineers though, I've heard most of them preferred GEs because they were quieter especially in the cab
An Amtrak Siemens Challenger whizzed by when I was at an A&W restaurant. It sounded like a car going by. This sounds the same when it's at speed. No sound, just wheels turning and fans blowing. Nothing exciting, and you'll never hear one of these locomotive ramp up like a vintage NW2 or GP9.
I honestly feel that the exhaust manifold of these locomotives need to be modified so that more of the engine's sounds can pass through. I just feel it would give a better warning for grade crossings, especially in quiet zones. I never thought I would like a GE better, but I will honestly say I don't care much for these new EMD's.
I love the sound of this big girl, bet she sounds just like a turbo charged 645 in a 1975 SD40-2 on a west Virginia coal drag in notch 8 up a 2% grade when she's unleashed from idle!!! Lol
man, I don't know you you said rip-off, it's literally an engine and some are gonna sound similar because they do the exact same thing and function the same way.
sound like a four cycle they all sound the same, the only diesel that sounded very different than other were Baldwin and Alco's of days past and the unique Detroit Diesel .
Well this engine is not the future of diesel locomotives here in the US brazil loves them as does India and Australia.CSX, NS, CPKC don't like the 1010J, UP is using 2 to see if they last if not they are sending the remaining 146 back to progress rail, and on another front all the SD70ACe engines are helper or second engine only with NS , and there are no GE locos any more Wabtec what a name
Nice for all the wonderful replies - the permanent DEATH of the EMD whine we've heard for more than 50 years. Sad. And no criticism to the he who took this video. But now all locomotives shall just about sound the SAME! BORING!!! Totally!!!
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Attention all here: The EMD 1010J here is REALLY the 265H resurrected in V12 form. The H engine started out in EMD's SD89MAC in the 80s and 90s. It put out 4500 brake hp. Twin turbo of course. Then, the V16 version debuted in the SD90MAC on Union Pacific and later went on to Canadian Pacific. The H engine at that time spent more time in the shop than on trains. When UP and EMD realized they got nowhere with the 265H they halted it, and re-engined the 90MACs with 710s. Now that emission rules were getting tighter, EMD looks like they got the right technology to bring back the H engine and re-named it the 1010J engine. The 1010 means its 1,010 cubic inches of displacement from each cylinder...I seem to be a bit late with this info I think but I read the comments and felt like saying something...thanks
EM Diesel Thanks for the info
PingasTheFourth What I meant to reference to about the 4500 was that the 265H was debuted as a V12 in the 89MAC (which was a prototype). And the bhp is that the engine can be held at a specific RPM to provide a certain amount of power to the traction motors via the gargantuan alternator they have or had...
EM Diesel 1,010 cubic inch displacement? I know these are huge, but hearing about the displacement blows my mind!
Actually the 1010 (and 265H) are 1010 cubic inches, With the exception of the 265H. EMD (and Detroit Diesel 2-strokes) model numbers were the displacement of a cylinder in cubic inches.
567, 645 and 710 IS the cubic inch displacement of one cylinder of the line of engines, it makes perfect sense that 1010 is the displacement.
sounds like an updated 12 cylinder Alco 244. I know the 265-h put out a lot more power but i still miss the 2 strokes.
That thing just purrs like a big kitten .....
No
What do you mean no
It has a lope reminiscent of the 265H 16 cylinder from years ago. The radiator side vents are also very similar to the SD90MAC-H. My exposure to these and the GE T4 engines so far is that the exhaust sound is so muffled by the after-treatment DEF etc that you can't really hear much. Thanks for posting this one with no horn, bell, or background music!
I definitely love the sounds of the EMD 645E! I hope they still have them at work and save most of them.
just type "CC202" on search and u will found a lot of 645E engine sound used in indonesian EMD GT26MC-2U
It does sound like a GEVO in a way, but in its own unique way. sounds much smoother idling than a GE for sure, not just clacking away
Its like a mixture of the two engines! Very nice...
The GE engine, e.g. Amtrak’s P42, has an engine that one can *feel* (as well as hear) should you get close to one at idle, e.g. when boarding a southbound train in May 2021.
Smoothest 4 stroke locomotive I've ever heard!
Finally a video of what these beasts sound like! Thank you very very much for uploading this video, I've been searching for the sound of this new engine since they first came out and this is the first one I have ever found. Now all we need is to hear one of these working a heavy train up a grade without a horn constantly blasting or flanges screaming...
I see what people mean by kind of GE like, I'd say there's a bit of ALCo in there too. Either way it's something different and hopefully something more reliable than it's 265H ancestor
My thoughts exactly. But....when in run 8 they just sound like big vacuum cleaners. Very little or no engine noise. They are very very quiet.
Mark Huett maybe when cruising/coasting because of the traction motor and alternator noise but in run 8 and at starting load it sounds W E I R D like nothing I've ever heard before. the one I heard the other day I was just out for a walk and wasn't even ready but I heard it coming and I was like... "uh that sounds like no GE or EMD I've ever heard" then looked up and Bam, tier 4 unit!
Eric Milroy I chased this unit after it left on the highway and it was so quiet the only thing I could hear was the GE behind it. Never heard it throttling before but I would like to at some point
I found an video of a GE T4 climbing a hill with a nice size load and a huge vacuum cleaner all the way, I then played it beside another video of some T3 Gevo's and it was a night and day differents.
I haven't found any good vids of the T4's working hard, both EMD or GE and I'm curious to hear. Could you send me a link to the vid please?
Ohhh.... I could sleep to this sound...
its the future, but I miss the 645 e3 turbo all the way
Me too 645e3 is best engine ever.
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Of course it 'sounds like a GE.." because it's a four-stroke H engine ya dope! Very low idle, and extremely high pressure injection. Each firing bangs just like a GE... Not a rip-off, just typical four-stroke diesel sounds!
Finally, someone who understands 4 Stroke
It's amazing how much "bass" is in the exhaust. At idle, these things rattle the windows in our building. The industry I work in, we're above them.
I work next to a rail yard, and I hear these engines idling in the dark every morning before my shift starts... they sound so good echoing off the side of the mountain near the yard
Thanks for posting. Finally a chance to really hear what one of these sounds like.
I don't think that people realize that the EMD 265 (the basis of the EMD 12-1010J) predates the development of the GEVO prime mover series. Not sure how it would be called a "gevo ripoff"
ATSF854 I know it does. I wasn't referring to engine components. Just the way it sounds makes it sound like a GEVO in a way. The basis for the 10J I think if I read correctly somewhere was also very similar to what EMD used in the SD90MAC-H.
ATSF854 False. The Gevo is based on the 7HDL, development began almost simultaneously with the 265. There's more 7HDL in the Gevo than there is 265 in the 1010.
P Kranz 7HDL was the AC6000 wasn't it
The GEVO/7HDL has its roots in the Duetz MWM632 spark ignited engine which had been around since at least the early 90's. The 1010J/265H has its roots in the canceled EMD 854H 4-stroke program of the late 1980s. Neither is a rip-off of ether, other than both being 4 stroke medium speed diesels, they are absolutely nothing alike each other in design.
That's more a result of the 1010 being a 4-stroke engine than anything else. The 7FDL and GEVO are both 4-strokes, as was the ALCO 244 and 251, while the 567, 645, and 710 are 2-strokes. The 1010 is far more similar mechanically to the GEVO and 7FDL than other EMD engines, logic follows that it at least won't sound like other EMD engines even though I personally think it sounds distinctly different from the GEVO.
GintaPPE1000 If you meant to name all the noteworthy 4 strokes, you’ve forgotten the 539T and the DeLaVergne
ahhh, the DeLaVergne, a Baldwin beast,and the Mackintosh & Seymour of alco,before the 539.
the difference here is clear:the EMD is idling like a large diesel engine should,the GE is idling as though its eating up its rod bearings - the pronounced bang bang bang............also,the EMD is idling faster then the GE. if GE adjusted its fuel injection sequence, they would almost sound the same.
Actually the big difference is that in economy idle the gevo drops down to a rotating 6 cylinder firing sequence. Which means that it’s only running on half the cylinders at a given time, hence the very choppy idle. I haven’t had the chance to get my hands on one of our EMD t4 demonstrator units but going by sound, they run on all 12 which is why they are so much smoother, plus a slightly higher idle speed. Also remember that the exhaust on the emd is routed through 3 turbochargers and a muffler, hence the quiet. A tier 4 twin turbo gevo in 12 cylinder low idle is almost as quiet.
@@speed150mph The Gevo 12 actually runs on 6 cylinders at idle? But if you apply the throttle to N2 or N3, all 12 cylinders will be used?
Kevin the train hunter it will idle on 6 cylinders under specific conditions. The engine must be warm, reverser centred, low load, ect. It’s designed to save fuel when the unit is just sitting there standing by.
For the most part an EMD and a GE sounded different because EMD was 2-stroke, and GE always 4-stroke. Now as EMD has turned to 4-stoke, thanks to Tier 4 regulations, obviously there's no audible sound difference any more. I understand these T4 diesels have a large filter device which muffles the engine noise anyway
OldSchool1500 T4 road power does not have a DPF. Only the F125 does, which also uses SCR, eliminating it from long distance use on Amtrak.
i bet it has some kind of catalyst under that hood, if not a dpf, a DOC,diesel oxidation catalyst.its similar to those cats under cars.
A whole different sound,...but that 1010j does sound nice at idle!
Just like its 265-H predecessor, these hunks of junk have proven to be more trouble than they’re worth. And after CSX just sent back the ten they tested for three years, UP now remains the sole owner of these things. You’re basically listening to the end of EMD with these idling away.
Everyone says it sounds like a Evolution Series locomotive but in my opinion, it sounds WAY better. It has a bit of a rhythm to it.
These units are very quiet, not something I really care for. However, if you ever find one of these on the back of a train shoving in DPU service in notch 8, you can really hear the exhaust then. That being said, I hope that we aren't entering the age of exhaust silencing. Fortunately, from videos I've seen, these new units don't seem to have silencers, they just run really quiet.
TrainTrackTrav Nearly all turbo EMD units have been coming with exhaust silencers since 1980.
TrainTrackTrav yep seems like there trying to shut thim up I had two of bnsf gp25 rebuilds switching some rock cars and whin there idling you caint here thim so stupid they did have a Kinda loud bassy sound whin they throttled up but its ban whin a dam refer on a semi is louder):
It’s probably mainly the emissions equipment added on. These must comply to tier 4 emissions, which requires a DEF system with a DPF filter, along with EGR and a lot of other systems. Basically if your in the automotive field or own anything made past 2014 with a diesel in it, you already know how problematic these style emissions systems are. Biggest thing on smaller diesels is they reduce the fuel economy almost twice. A 24 valve 6.7 Cummins for example gets about 13mpg, remove all the emissions crap, and they go up to about 21-24 mpg, also not to mention if one system fails or reads wrong the engine must shut down immidiatly, I’m curious to see if these 1010j engines are going to have the same issues as the smaller automotive, tractor, semi truck, and construction equipment engines are plagued with currently
Andrew Beeman yep making the engines eat its own shit over and over before its released.
Andrew Beeman These locomotives do not use DEF, the big 4 railroads stated very early on they did not want to run DEF/adblue in their locomotives so GE and EMD were able to make T4 locomotives that do not need it. They use a combination of compound turbocharging, EGR and a DPF to meet the T4 targets. The reason the exhaust sound is so quiet is that so much energy has already been taken out of the exhaust gases by the turbochargers, DPF's and silencers by the time it exits the exhaust pipe unfortunately. The only big prime mover that needs DEF is the Cummins QSK95 which a few passenger railroads have bought.
I’ll always love the good ol emd whine
This four-stroke beast sounds amazing regardless! 😁 better than the original 16-265H!
I LOVE that sound.
sound of the AC4400CW
It's sounds like my toaster. Raw, untamed power.
Its a 4 stroke, of course its gonna sound like a GE!
Yea with that monstrous chug like a GE!!!
Sounds better than any GE unit ever did
I think it does,too!
GE's sound like they are ripping the rods out!!!
Awesome video! Definitely a different idle for an EMD Unit.
Sounds like a Caterpillar engine
Bill Johnston sounds somewhat like a GE
It's a hybrid of a CAT diesel and a EMD'S only Four stroke diesel
That’s because it basically is 😂
That's because it is! CAT owns EMD haha. The engine in the new SD70 is a 1010J, which is just a rail service optimized variation of the CAT C280 engine series. The C280 series in its own right is essentially an EMD 265H engine with all the teething issues ironed out, which itself is based off of a mid 80's conceptual 4 stroke engine design that EMD toyed around with before shelving permanently called the 854 engine. This was done in response to compete better with GE's FDL and later HDL engines that were even back then starting to seriously steal EMDs two stroke thunder. The final nail in the coffin of the EMD two stroke was the progression of EPA diesel emmissions requiments. Maybe if EMD has poured vastly larger amounts of research into the 2 stroke engine cycle as well as better emissions control tech, as well as turning to a clean Sheet Design they could have maybe been able to pass emissions. However, four strokes are waaaaaay more efficient and provide not more, but steadier torque since they have an antjre stroke dedicated to secondary exhaust gas expansion. This extracts more energy out of the combustion event as torque and also allows for cleaner non-scavenging separation of Exhuast and intake gases and leads to higher efficiencies and less pollution. EGR IS NOT even close to the same thing, just pointing that out, and is in fact used to mitigate diesel emissions.
@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife are you sure you know what your talking about????
Love the air compressor people going love these motors idling in there little cozy towns at night. I work for hallcon still hoping to see one soon sucks bnsf canceled there order.
Ok everyone let's cut through all the BS, this is a new engine develop by EMD in a very short period of time. If you're going to compete with your competitors you have to make adjustment. You have to give them credit where credit is due. The 1010J is a 4 stroke, of course it's it's going to sound like a GE. What did you expect. Believe it or not they are still in the testing stage of this locomotive let's give them some time.
thank you!
This isn’t a GEVO ripoff imo. To me, it sounds more like an ALCo M series. Even if it was, EMD did it better than GE cause the sound of the fuel injectors is actually in unison unlike the GEVO’s, which seem to fire at random intervals. Seriously, the GEVO’s at idle sound like a dryer full of aluminum cans 😂
sounds like multiple injection events pre and post tdc, not a single injection as the GEVO.
No more EMD whine I suppose..
sounds good
What did they do to my boy....
so cool
I have to wait until it goes to run 8 just to see it howl
It is true that was the tested 265H that went in the SD90MAC, the 6000hp EMD 4-cycle H engine. It was put to the side instead of working on refining it. I know it was cheaper to go with the 710, but they should've refined it before they got desperate. I hope it isn't a lemon engine st 12-cylinders.
dblkrailfan They didn’t have time to refine it. It had a lot of issues and GE was putting up really good sales numbers.
@@blackbirdgaming8147 That's the same reason the Alco 244 became a troublesome engine. It was a refined 241 that had many problems of its own. The 244 was rushed into production to compete with the EMD 567's too early without comprehensive testing which bit Alco in the butt in just a few years of service. The 251 arrived too late to heal the bad feelings of the railroads that bought them. I hope the 1010 doesn't run into this durability problem.
rayford21 I’m pretty sure it already has, as expected, but it hasn’t been covered a whole lot.
I'm still waiting to see if the EMD or GE tier-4 locos will be fire prone ... XD
i got a dollar on the GE being first!!!! GE and fire are 2 good friends!
@@rearspeaker6364 I second that!
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And I will be honest with you, it sounds better than a GE
a lot smoother,means its not tearing itself apart while running in notch8.
Interesting that in 2021, now.... nearly 100 Percent of All EMD Export locomotives are ordered with the 710 Prime Mover.... only the US & Canada are using the 12-1010J.
If 16-265 modified to 16-1010J maybe SD80ACe-T4 born
i think will be SD90Ace-T4 because it will produce about 6000hp
EMD goes to 4 cycles; sounds like an engine that you make a song with, it's rap is more refined, now if only NS, BNSF, & CSX would buy some. Are their horns on the long hood?
dblkrailfan the horn is weird. It's a All bell forward K5LLA on the main body and then there's 2 extra bells mounted near the rear headlights on the back end. When all sounded together it gives the horn a unique tune.
These actually have K5LA's. No idea why EMD would make the switch.
SouthernPacificPatch they're not K5LA's. The main body has a K5LLA with all the bells facing forward.
Interesting, I guess in all the videos I have heard, the horn sounds exactly like a K5LA.
SouthernPacificPatch "Due to height clearance restrictions, production models of the SD70ACe-T4 will be equipped with one K5LLA airhorn, mounted on a low-profile base, facing forward, and one "dual tone" K-13B airhorn, mounted over the rear headlight, facing rearward." - EMD... The dual tone bell gives a different tune to it
@Milepost34.9 I think you should know its because the 4-stroke engine gives off the kind of sounds like the GE. GE engines are also 4-stroke.
And also do record one with the throttling. Its not complete with a throttling of that new spanking engine.
I havent seen one upclose since this video was taken. There really is no way of getting a throttle sound out of it as they are so quiet in the first place.
Daaamn... This means that the EMD 1010J is really efficient!
I like the EMD 645 V16 3000HP 2 stroke engines the best!!
Hey losers: the 2 stroke is still a very viable engine geometry. The only reason EMD quit the 2 stroke is because of emissions. I can only hope that the 1010j will prove to be more reliable than the 265h.
A Crustacean From what I can tell so far it's doing pretty good.
A Crustacean Doesn’t change that 4 stroke is better. That’s the whole reason the same horsepower can be made with a V12 vs a V16
@@blackbirdgaming8147 like a 12-710 making the same hp as a 16-645.
just remember the got that 2 cycle to tier3 emissions before having go to a 4 stroke-- for a 2 stroke that is an achievement in itself!!!!
DIESEL POWAHHH!!!!
When did they swap their EMD 710 to GEVO?
Muy bueno, suena como un 4 stroke pero cuando pasan acelerando no se siente casi nada.
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Emd engines dont idle any faster than ge it that the 710 series are 2stroke meaning the piston fires once every revolution of the crankshahft instead of every other in a ge 4 stroke as for the rod bearings they will outlast any 4 stroke !
It sounds just like a 265H. It sounds interesting but I wonder what it'll sound like when under heavy loads or at notch 8?
Kevin the train hunter I wonder this too as most videos of the t4 seems to be of them cruising and not under load. since the 1010 is mechanically related to the 265H I wonder if it maybe similar sounding just quieter? I think I heard one a few weeks ago at full throttle because I didn't recognize the engine sound and now that I think about it sounded like an old sd90mac-h but there were woods between me and the tracks so I wasn't bale to make out what it was for sure
It's just like the 265H but revised. Hopefully, no electronic issues or cylinder teething issues plague the engine. I'd hope to see one soon.
Eric Milroy When it is in a load pulling state you still won't hear anything. I heard this unit pulling the loaded coal up a hill just before it got to the plant and it just hums. The GE was the only thing that sounded like it was giving power.
Coleto Creek Rail Productions awh :/ darn
Coleto Creek Rail Productions I guess it's good for engineers though, I've heard most of them preferred GEs because they were quieter especially in the cab
Who makes the engine? Caterpillar or other?
acts2211 Progress Rail which is a division of Caterpillar
Oh man it does sound like a GEVO. That's kinda disappointing.
the GEVO sounds like the rod is about to come out of the motor, this does not.
An Amtrak Siemens Challenger whizzed by when I was at an A&W restaurant. It sounded like a car going by. This sounds the same when it's at speed. No sound, just wheels turning and fans blowing. Nothing exciting, and you'll never hear one of these locomotive ramp up like a vintage NW2 or GP9.
Its just like a GE sound. Not like the previous EMD engines
its a 4 stroke now.
You call that a diesel engine!? I've heard cars that make more noise thin this shit!
STLSF 4003 Right? Lol
My Toyota Corolla has a louder muffler than that EMD!
Oh I bet if you ran this engine without the exhaust manifold, it'd be louder! :)
I honestly feel that the exhaust manifold of these locomotives need to be modified so that more of the engine's sounds can pass through. I just feel it would give a better warning for grade crossings, especially in quiet zones. I never thought I would like a GE better, but I will honestly say I don't care much for these new EMD's.
I love the sound of this big girl, bet she sounds just like a turbo charged 645 in a 1975 SD40-2 on a west Virginia coal drag in notch 8 up a 2% grade when she's unleashed from idle!!! Lol
Hey, I'm going to be using this video in a project of mine. Mind if I use it? I'll give you credit.
Kevin the train hunter Sure
Thank you. You'll see the final product very soon today.
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Probably sounds more like GE because these new EMD's are four cycle like GE's. Instead of the two cycle EMD's were always throughout the years.
For a few seconds i thought the thing wasn't even on until i skipped ahead lol Damn its too quiet...
May I use this as a source for a wiki article?
StarWarsTrains yes you may. Just give credit where needed.
Wow amazing . . Wish from sri lanka 😍 my dream is to see a sd90 to my naked eye oneday🥺 in real life
man, I don't know you you said rip-off, it's literally an engine and some are gonna sound similar because they do the exact same thing and function the same way.
Lol
sound like a four cycle they all sound the same, the only diesel that sounded very different than other were Baldwin and Alco's of days past and the unique Detroit Diesel .
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sounds more like a GE than EMD
This sounds like a heavily silenced (and not very healthy) Class 47 from the UK.
Sounds like a C30-7
Those 265hs were a complete failure back then
It does sound like a GE ripoff. Interesting sound though
C Boyer Right? Miss the old EMD whine but it does sound kinda cool.
that GEVO must be idling at 500 rpm............
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Well this engine is not the future of diesel locomotives here in the US brazil loves them as does India and Australia.CSX, NS, CPKC don't like the 1010J, UP is using 2 to see if they last if not they are sending the remaining 146 back to progress rail, and on another front all the SD70ACe engines are helper or second engine only with NS , and there are no GE locos any more Wabtec what a name
Nice for all the wonderful replies - the permanent DEATH of the EMD whine we've heard for more than 50 years. Sad. And no criticism to the he who took this video. But now all locomotives shall just about sound the SAME! BORING!!! Totally!!!
except at idle, the 1010 sounds a lot smoother idling compared to a GEVO must be multiple injection events pre and post TDC on the 1010.
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Correct not that impressive. GE has them beat again.
spacecalander Can't say I disagree with that lol
Nor do I, I have driven both.
I though this sound record was terrible.
Don't know when anyone asked.
its way too quiet
Sounds similar to a 3600 series Caterpillar.
it is a mixed bag............
That air compressor sounds like aids.
Sounds like a GEVO, ew.
sounds like such junk in Idle
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