Let me know if you agree with these rankings from Consumer Reports and their poll of over 36,000 furnace owners of systems installed between 2005 and 2021.
After researching for about 2 years on HVAC products, I've discovered that once you get a fairly reliable system, it's the *local supply* you have for parts and stuff that's really important.
My Rheem is from the 80's & still running, but not very efficient. I just ordered a new Amana & AC that my HVAC installs. A "silver system". Hope it's good.
11 years and counting now with a York Affinity 97.5% efficiency. It was installed by a local reputable heating company, 10 parts and labor warranty and lifetime on Heat exchanger. 1 pressure sensor replacement last year. Part was $45 CAD, installed myself in 15 mins. Its been a great system, in fact 3 neighbors bought the same and have had the same reliability.
Maytag owner here, 21 years. I have replaced 2 inducer motors and about 5 control boards in the last 7 years. I finally discovered that the control boards were failing because acidic moisture was leaking from the hose connections of the inducer, in the smallest amount, right on top of the control board. The corrosive moisture destroyed each control board in the same location.
We had a Bryant Furnace in our home that was built in 2002. I think it was 15 years old when it had to have the control board replaced. Other than that, it worked flawlessly. Same for our Bryant AC Unit which had zero issues in from 2002 to 2021...it would probably still be working fine had our home not burned in June of 2021.
Do you know that there’s a recall for Carrier (also Bryant, Payne, Day and Night) heat exchanger for models built b/w 2002 to 2012. The faulty design caused pin holes formation and leaking of carbon monoxide into the system. There was a class action lawsuit against Carrier for that, but they continued to make the same product until 2014, even now, problem still exists
Nice video, I would like to see both AC and Heating systems rated by location. EX: I live in the far North and only use my central air a few weeks per year. On the ohter hand my heating system runs for five months or so. Someone in Fla. might have way more failures on their AC system while up North we see more furnace and boiler failures. Thanks for a great video.
I agree with comments about installer expertise is a big factor; also the length of time and reputation of the installation company. I disagree with some comments that equipment is equipment is equipment. My step-daughter had a Goodman electric AC unit installed in her Florida home recently. Within 2 months a board went bad and had to be replaced. Years ago, I ran a utility energy efficiency program and we routinely installed new gas furnaces to improve efficiencies and remove failing heat exchangers using licensed contractors. Callbacks were notorious on some equipment. I prefer Carrier and Lennox equipment myself and plan to have one of those installed to replace our 40 year old Bryant furnace in our Midwest home. Thanks for the video. It's helpful to understand how Consumer Reports calculates.
My Dad had an Arcoarie furnace and air conditioning unit. It lasted 30+ years. Until I installed a new units. The old units were lower efficiency and the only thing wrong with air conditioning unit, was the fan blade bearing went out. The furnace heat exchanger was unreplaceable. I figured, that my Dad got his money's worth out of the furnace. My Dad bought the Arcoarie units in 1989. The new furnace, that I got were 96% efficiency. The old units were either 70% or 80% efficiency. I saved a lot of money by getting a new units. I live in the Midwest, so we deal with snow and cold temperatures. Most of winter is below freezing and sometimes below zero.
I live in Minneapolis, where a reliable furnace is pretty much a necessity. My house was built in 1954, and a Lennox "Pulse" ("high-efficiency"- about 90% efficient) furnace was already installed when I moved in in 2009. That furnace was installed in 1984, according to the HVAC techs who service it for me, so the survey cited in the video wouldn't even apply to it, and you can do the math - it will have been operating for 40 years with the new year. I have it serviced annually by the local HVAC company that installed it (they say it's still running at 90% efficiency), replace the huge air filter myself every year, and it's working just fine so far this winter. When it finally fails - and I expect it to fail eventually - spare parts (e.g. a heat exchanger) will no longer be available because the unit is so old, so I won't have any choice but to replace it, but I see no reason to change brands when I buy that replacement.
So I have a Keeprite system in my home with air-conditioning. The furnace is 37 years old. I have had it cleaned from time to time but it really has not been looked after properly with what should be a yearly cleaning and inspection. It says its 92 % efficient and the air conditioner is likely a 5 ton unit as it draws 23 amps at 220 volts. I got a big old house with two apartments and 1100 square feet per unit. The system dose an excellent job of heating and air-conditioning as long as they keep the windows closed as humid air freezes the condenser. (I just turn on the heat and it thaws) In those 37 years i have had it break down three time and the last time it was a broken water pipe that sprayed the furnace for a full day before it quit. It was so bad the exhaust motor and fan were full of water and the fan was spinning in water and every single electronic component was soaked to the bone. Obviously it was an insurance claim as it did in my water heater as well. Long story short is its 5 degrees F outside and the water heater was replaced that day. The furnace was checked by the insurance company and is to be replaced as well. The furnace guy left and I put a heater in the furnace room and two fans and it dried up in no time as I wiped what I could down. That furnace after every single component had been soaked through, fired right back up after it dried out and hasn't skipped a beat. So what do I get in its place, heat pump, what kind, or what ideas are out there. (PS i heat my shop with a 3000 watt 8 gallon water heater, a couple hundred feet of tubing on top of the concrete floor, strapped and plywood on top, a pump and thermostat. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID)
I've always preferred Trane and Rheem units due to their reliability and brand recognition, but recently I've been offering more Goodman units. People like that Daikin's brands are made in the US and they seem to be fairing better supply side because of it.
I like Rheem furnaces but I installed a Goodman due to better pricing and better parts availability. Trane parts are expensive and hard to get if you don’t have a license. I don’t like high efficiency furnaces of any brand.
i was given a damage goodman 3 ton gas pack for free, its work great for 8 years. only i cap to be replace for 10 dollars yes i broke and need to re do my ducts
My Amana 90 air command 93 AFUE is 21 years old in 2023 and it has had a few things happen over the years but nothing I couldn't fix myself and I buy all my parts either local or online....Has been really easy to work on and I have had some great Ameren bills for the last 21 years.....My next furnace will be a Amana/Goodman which ever installer has the better price.
Trane is too expensive in my area. I’ve had good luck with Carrier over the years and they are quite common. I would not get the pile of York changed out last as constant breakdowns.
I have never liked Carrier equipment. There are a lot of Carrier heat exchanger replacement videos on RUclips. Carrier high efficiency furnaces seemed to fail most often.
Wait what? The guy with a giant Trane banner in the background says Trane is the best? That's weird. Didn't see that coming. In the current corporate landscape, all units cost the same over a 60 year span. You'll replace cheaper systems 3 times, or pay more and only replace 2 systems over that span. You'll replace more cheap parts, or fewer expensive ones. It's all the same. It's all planned obsolescence. That's why a new system warranty requires a maintenance plan. You pay the same either way. Many little bites you can plan for, or a couple big gulps when you least expect it.
This is good information as we are converting to gas in a year or so on a small duplex with 3400 sqft counting the basements and owner’s unit garage. We will have six zones counting the heat exchanger for domestic hot water. Currently we are using about 600;gallons of #1 heating oil a winter and electric water heaters
we Had a 18.5 SEER (3ton) installed on our roof & experienced sound/vibration issues for 12 months, during which our installer did everything, EVERYTHING that was suggested on the internet to fix the issue. Now they are offering to replace the unit with a Lennox or Rheem, and we are really dubious-is it the unit or the installer, or both 🤪
My furnace was installed around May or June of 1993. Because I have neglected to replace the air filters, the unit failed in 2010 and didn't use it for two years. When I finally decided to use it again, there were three parts that I had replaced, the motor ($21.00); the circuit board ($80.00); high limit switch ($16.00); and air filters (2x at $7.50). Since then I continuously replaced the air filters once they've reached 50%. Last year in November 2022, the furnace stopped working. Error code 34 calls for HEAT IGNITER, a week later it stopped again. I found out that my Thermostat was defective,, I bought the part and fixed the problem. I always thought that this was made by Carrier/Payne but the upper door is marked DAY and NIGHT and the parts that I've replaced have the Carrier part numbers on them. So now I'm not sure what model this furnace is. I'm not sure how many more years I can get out of this. So far it's been heating my house for almost 30 years.
Carrier bought out ICP, WeatherKing, Carrier also sales Day/Night , Heil, Arcoaire, Tempstar and payne. Carrier bought ICP in 1999. When Comfortmaker had all there evaporator coils leak freon. From 1998 to 2001 all there coils leaked freon. The insurance company that I bought 5 year warranty's paid me $750.00 for each coil for every 4 coils I replaced gave me a 30 lb jug of r-22 and a filter dryer for each coil. I replaced 600 + under Ins warranty. I think the Ins went broke too. Carrier had TXV problem in 2013 to 2015 and carrier did not pay contractors spit out of TXV's then the Magic oil came out and fixed haft of the TXV problems. Rheem was giving away a can of oil with every AC and coil.
My Tempstar is 31 years old and still running. I've done some minor repairs on it over the years, like the heat sensor and relay switch. I think it's time to replace it.
Thanks for the very valuable information! I need to replace my 62-year-old Bard gas furnace this spring. The furnace is a tank, would probably last for another 60 years, but I know it's not very efficient. The problem seems to be my Rheem air conditioner. Apparently, the evaporator coils have never been cleaned and the only way to access them is to tear out the framework for the furnace. I can no longer live with the leaks in the basement, so it's time to invest in a replacement. Looks to me as if a complete Lennox system, available at a discount through Costco, will give me the best price and acceptably reliable performance. I'd heard conflicting reports from various sources about Lennox's performance, so I was happy to hear a good report.
I have a gas heater for my home that we never use...ever. We burn wood, 100% of the time to heat the house and have for 32 years. My furnace is 40 years old, but almost new. I want to replace it some time in the future when carrying wood inside the house becomes a real chore, or my wife would have to do it which she can't. I want a furnace that is not so tecnologically advanced that it would need a servide person constantly to tweak it back into shape. I don't believe furnaces have to have so many bells and whistles to keep it running. Jusdt gas and a pilot light is good enough without all the sensors just like an automobile has too many sensors that need replacing. Is that called a two stage burner? I''d like to get one in place before we really need it, and maybe use it a little from time to time. And THUMBS UP!!!
My house was made in 1993 and my heater is a Rheem. Techs keep telling me I need a new unit. 29 years old and it kelp me warm in Atlanta a few days ago when the temp was 19.
The one thing that SKUs the numbers on what’s actually better or not better is the individuals installing the equipment For example Carrier or Train or Linux A certified dealer Who has years of experience on that equipment and are usually at a level where they will properly install the unit right the first time maybe with one come minor back adjustment. Compared to the other brands that could have the exact same quality but are so to any truck in the truck who will install anybody’s equipment and never really get to learn one or two manufactures equipment really well leaving a lot of room for error causing a lot of discomfort and failures by the installer not necessarily the manufactures quality. Educated qualified years of experience with proper airflow and duct design and load calculations installing even the lowest in Goodman will outlast any chuck in a truck who doesn’t read an installation manual and charges refrigerant to beer can cold installing a Train or a Carrier. Consumer reports needs to do a consumer report on the individuals that actually install the units not just the equipment.
What I find interesting is the fact that few of these manufacturers will sell a furnace directly to the DIY consumer. You have to purchase through a dealer who will perform the installation as well. Goodman comes to mind as a manufacturer who will sell direct. There may be others.
I have Lennox from 1973 since the house was built, passed on as I bought the house in 1990, still working. I did change fan blower motor and pilot light and flame sensor. Now, I am having trouble to find parts for replacement, too old and Lennox is no longer making those parts.
Instead of just quoting some survey from a publication I haven't trusted in awhile, I would've rather had YOU tell us, as an HVAC expert, why you thought this brand or that brand was the best quality. For example, point out why you thought one was built with better quality components, etc.....if that even exists.
I wouldn't really put much stock into what the general public thinks about the system they spent money on. typically, they will give good reviews on what they bought just because thats what they decided for a brand. Additionally, few folks in public have any clue as to how a heater should do its job in overall heating needs. Many of th epublic barely know what a thermostat is or does. So, which models burn a gas flame and move the heat it generates throughout their homes? My guess is they all seem to do it rather well, at least for 10 years or so but then, after they get some miles on them, thats when the quality and well engineered heaters will shine. I know of many homes that their owners are content with the builder grade heaters/AC, cheap supply and return registers that make noise and constrict air flow, filters that are hard to get to such as in the attic or basement and so on. Lots of them will say their heaters are good or even great but those in the know can easily see what they think is good is really not the case.
I had a Lennox G71MPP. After 15 years, two small holes developed in the middle of the heat exchanger. Not in a joint or a crimp area. Just in the middle of the plain sheet metal. Yeah, it had a lifetime warranty for the part but no labor. It was perfectly reliable until then.
@@joshlasceski I ended up replacing the furnace. You have to remove the furnace to replace the heat exchanger so labor kills any warranty for the part. If they don't have the part, they offer you a discount on a new unit. I went with American Standard S9V2
Just purchased an Amana 80% System. it is replacing a Carrier Comfort Series System. Never put a high end system in an attic. Those condenser hvac systems and the water they produce. The pumps and the complexity of the system are targets for the environment in an attic. The money you will save in a fuel source will be offset by your home owners policy deductible. Flooding is common . They make water in either mode. Constant attention must be done everyday. Did the pump come on? Why is the blower always running? Is the overflow tube in the pan clogged? It's always something no matter who makes it.
I’m gonna dissagree with your top 3. Had you said those 3 brands are the most advertised I’d agree with you. But cmon Lennox had been rittled with controversy for decades dare I say pulse, how about duracurve. I wouldn’t touch a Lennox In 2016 Rheem was rated 1 by consumer reports. It’s funny how they haven’t changed there model but somehow got rated lower and the big 3 spenders ended on top in the latest rankings.
@@Kiddro22 what failed the board? Would the furnace not come on? Because my blower motor wont come on and my first thought was the board but now I think it's a dead module
@@jvirg it would give out error codes. I would correct them and try to clear the codes. But they wouldn’t clear(1st red flag). The furnace would try to cycle back to back but wouldn’t go into soft lock out mode(2nd red flag). So I replaced the board and she fired right up. It may be a back surge or something. This is the second board I’ve replaced.
@@Kiddro22 it was the board. I had also ordered a blower motor just in case and I'm going to keep it because it's brand new and I got it for super cheap. I think you are right about surges and I'm looking at getting surge protection Mars 83905 or whole house. The only problem with getting whole house is I may have to upgrade my old panel and don't have the money atm.
Run Tru by Trane is starting to get positive attention. If you don’t mind the unpainted galvanized steel cabinet and tag you will be pleasantly surprised by the build and part’s quality. The warranty is 5 years on parts but if you register goes to 10 years. 20 years on heat exchanger which is obviously not as good as lifetime but your playing less. Built in the same factories as trane/American standard. Ameristar too now as well. Oxbox what the old “ameristar” was being assembled in China.
I'm sitting here in the cold of New Years with a failed heat exchanger on a York after 7 years. Tech says it's pretty common on any propane HE unit...well at least it's under warranty (one time only) labour not included...he says I might get a brand new unit....must move in 7 years...lol
International Comfort Products makes Day & Night. Carrier (Payne) just happens to own a majority share in ICP, a subsidiary of Carrier. Tough to say they are the same though. Do you agree?
I was a fool to buy into the Trane hype for a gas furnace. Came with noisy inducer fan because of a chipped blade. $800 control board failed just shy of the warranty. But they forgot to include a new igniter because the new board supplies 120v instead of the previous 80v. That is their practice, but they failed to follow it. Therefore the old igniter fried days after warranty. Their computer database updates are delayed, so they sent out another 80v for my serial #! It also fried! Off the shelf, same silicon nitride unit, about $40. Trane price I had to pay, $120. I fought them because they made the mistakes. They pretend to have a customer complaint department, but all you get is boilerplate answers. In my case, they replied with a boilerplate letter that explained that they have no control over the FREON supplier! I replied that they have my GAS FURNACE file mixed up with another AIR CONDITIONING customer. They replied that they have responded and that therefore my file is closed! I had to eat the hundreds in costs to fix their mistakes.
Good man furnace induction heaters leak water after 2yr period and computer problems otherwise okay. Bryant's furnaces had terrible computer problems and heat exchanger cracking. Carrier is probably the best good induction heater no leaks and the computer board is excellent. Keep right seems to be a pretty good furnace but is more expensive. Hope this helps someone.
Your response is quite comical since you have no idea what you are even talking about. First off, it is Goodman, and I have no idea what an induction heater here that could leak water after two years. So that's out... And btw, Goodman is owned and built by Daikin/Amana, which happens to be the largest manufacture in the world. Then you say Bryant is a terrible furnace because of the computer problems and heat exchanger cracking! And then you give Kudo to Carrier who actually makes and owns Bryant and is item for the item the exact system. It is even close than Chevy/GMC because they are made in the same factory and just have different color enamel paint. So you seriously have no clue what you are talking about. If anything, Bryant in the better unit as it is about 15% less expensive for the same exact part numbers, part for part. Just look at their websites, they offer the same equipment. And Carrier Global which is the largest manufacturer in the United States, also owns ICP which is basically the spin-off of Carrier line called Payne. And let me remind you, they make Bryant, yet you say Carrier is the best and is the same exact product. You are probably thinking of Lennox as a leaker because they are the winner there. And Trane and American Standard is far from being the best brand unless you mean the most expensive to buy and repair. They certainly win in that category. As a technician in the field, I work on a lot of equipment and there is no brand that is perfect or even close. The problem is a lot of them get their parts from the same manufacture in the Pacific Rim from the same factory. That is why I replace all my capacitors, contractors, and fans with units made in the United States. I do not believe any brand is 100% made in America, but maybe some day!! If you want to know about all the other brands, just respond and I will continue. Some of the other brands are decent, I was just straightening you out.
I feel like the install is more important than the brand. A Goodman properly installed will outlast the top tier improperly installed. Aside from the heat exchanger, most of the parts seem somewhat universal between furnaces. I’m not a fan of ECMs, but since that is now the standard I insisted on surge protection on both the furnace and the condenser in addition to the whole house surge protection I have. If the flame rod, the igniter, the pressure switches or the gas valve go bad, they are relatively standard parts that can be replaced. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I’ll take the Goodman I have that was downsized by the installer and has a 0.3 differential over an oversized top tier pushing 1.2 through the same ductwork…. Time will tell.
For the furnace surge protector what did you use? I see there is one called zebra that goes from the board to the ecm module but there is also a Mars 83905 surge protector for the entire furnace. I'm not sure which one would be better? Probably the one for the entire furnace. But looking at other people take on this?
Looking for new & simple direct vent (no chimney) gas BOILER (80% efficiency is fine) (not a furnace) that has best shot to last 20 to 25 years and is low maintenance - zero bells and whistles. My focus is not efficiency. Priority = low maintenance and longevity. Currently running 1991 Slant Fin V90 - 80% Direct Vent - baseboard forced hot water - has been excellent, but time to change out. Thoughts, guys/gals? TY!
FOR SURE. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO HVAC. THE MANUFACTURER WHO DESIGNS A TRULLY "PLUG AND PLAY" SYSTEM THAT IS EASY TO WORK ON AND COMPONENT BASE WILL RULE.
Hello. Great video. I live in an apartment and the gas furnace stops working during a power outage. Can I connect a vehicle battery or some other power source to the furnace so that it will run during power outage? Thanks
Hi we are in need of replacing a 28 year old furnace for a 1996 Bi Level total sq ft 2500 we are seniors on a so called fixed income so payments would be prefered a furnace guy by us recommended a Weatherking 70,000 BTU single stage furnace what we need to know is are they reliable and a good brand ? what brand would you recommend and size we live in Vulcan Alberta Canada we also have already a 3-4 year old Air conditioner this is an investment for us so we want best bang for the buck so to speak but very reliable thank you so much and we look forward to your response cheers
Coleman, York, and Lennox manufactured fairly good equipment back in the 80’s. York’s reputation was ruined by the microchannel coil design which is prone to leaking. I hear that Lennox has evaporator coil leaks and other quality issues.
@@picklerix6162 In my area if I get an appointment for a failed furnace, AC, or HP and the house is maybe 10 years old, it's almost always a York or Coleman. I have a photo album on my work iPad labeled dead Coleman's and York's. Lol. It's that bad around me. It could be bad installations. We cover about a 75 mile radius and I see the same thing all over this area. It's the same for older homes with 8 to 12 year old Coleman and York equipment too.
I l; live in SF, My house is 2000 Sq. and my house has an attic. I need a quiet furnace For Carrier, Do you have any recommended models? Thank you very much!
I just know as a technician, I have to repair them less than the other brands out there. It could be the way they test their equipment, the consistency in their build process ( Ive been to the factory. Its very consistent they whole way through the build). The sheet metal they use, the components, control boards, all just seem to have higher standard of build than others Ive worked on.
gas packs dont need any techs for the gas burners it is set up at the factory. now the techs are need to make sure the ducts are size right and ballance
I have a Carrier and my house was built in 1996 and although something is wrong just this week, I believe I can repair it. The inducer motor comes on but the igniter doesn't heat orange. I did hear the gas in the tubes but no flame came on. I got 12 code blower (R, W closed) any idea? I think that second igniter you changed heat sensor ?
The flame sensor is dirty or bypasses the limit switch it is open mode one of these will be the problem. The limit switch is probably staying open so the igniter won't ignite. Clean the flame sensor with fine steel wool and clean it off with paper towel. Should be good to go.
When would you replace rather then repair? I have a York over 10 years old. I had to replace the blower motor and the startup motor last year too. Thanks my friend
My 21 year old 82% efficiency Carrier lasted 21 years But It needed a new blower at 15 years The heat exchanger fell apart at 21 years, and that was the last straw.... very smelly inside and outside of the house near the end... dangerous unit. I got a York this time.... 20 year manuf. Warranty.... 2 stage.... 96 percent efficiency, $3800 Canadian installed including a humidifier. If it lasts 20 years, it will more than pay for itself.
Bogus report... Daikin/Goodman sells the MOST (number) of all the brands nation wide. So I highly question the report My Goodman is 20 years old with just one MINOR repair.
I have a gas Goodman it was just replaced under warranty at 7 years because the heat exchanger was faulty Nice they warranty the product. But I new furnace every 7 year is horrible … my oil furnace lasted 25 years….I was hoping to go to gas to save money should have bought a new oil furnace???
ruclips.net/video/euaYORcVGSs/видео.html Heat exchangers fail due to a lack of airflow and manufacture defect. Goodan does not have a great reputation at all amongst my peers. Some people sell it because they can get it super cheap and sell it for a better margin. Wish i could see your setup. I could get you a better answer.
I have a Goodman 96% efficient furnace that is now 7 years old. The only problem so far is a gas valve that failed just shy of five years, but was under warranty, so no out of pocket expenses so far. I replaced it myself. It was a $100.00 part. I heard that Goodman had troubles with heat exchanger failure when exposed to chlorine (from bleach fumes in laundry/utility rooms.) Mine uses outside combustion air so it shouldn't be a problem.
dont know what that guy is talking about had a 2,5 ton good heat pump package package unit. it worked well its not goodmans fault that lighting destroyed the Bristol compresser Armstrong is not a higher tier unit it did ok had a Copeland piston Compressor . it was a heat pump package unit mother board went was not going to pay 400 dollars for a mother board because i dont like heat pumps. the only reason i had a heat pump is the insurane company would not pay for a gas pack. also on the armstrong it was under waranty and arstrong would not pay fpr a 200 dollar blower . i ran my armstrong on man over ride for 6 months runing the AC. could have ran it in the winter but going from defrost to heat and back on mam over ride stinks. could of ran it on heat strips but that would have costed me 10k watts per hour or 1 dollar per hour. some one gave me a nat gas furance i built a cheat roof and sides to run it out doors . it worked great , summer was coming up i was broke some one order a on line 3 ton gas package unit for some one in murfrees boro tn. the ship company drop the good man 3 ton gas pack and the con coil was dented yes a new unit was ship out and installed but no body pick up the damage good man gas package unit. it sat out doors for 6 months . i was saving up for a reeam gas package and some guy knew is was broke paying off 40k in debt in 5 years on a 30km job. some guy pick up the unit that sat out doors for 6 months and put it in my yard. the unit was damage and it could never be Warrantied by good man . i hook it up and it has worked great for 8 years. only problem is i had to replace a exhaust motor cap for 10 dollars and 30 dollars for gas as the part was only in nashville yes i need to fix my ducts but my ecm had been damage by biden. yes it got throught a tva rolling blackout just fine at 10 below zero. as ave ramsey would sat if you are broke would you pay 4k for a rheem or a damage goodman for free
Our Church has 14 Lenox units. Parts are hardly ever available and very seldom do all 14 work. I would not recommend buy or use this company’s products. Having a large Trane sign behind you could be considered biased.
Didn’t Coleman make the ratings? Zero stars out of five? I think people who pay more for their furnaces tend to rate them higher. It’s human nature. Installers who sell really cheap furnaces have high praise for their POS units.
Heil and Carrier are both owned by United Technologies. This guy claims Heil is under the ICP. Wrong. My Heil system was built in the same factory that Carrier products are manufactured in.
Let me know if you agree with these rankings from Consumer Reports and their poll of over 36,000 furnace owners of systems installed between 2005 and 2021.
Trane's 𝗥𝘂𝗻𝗧𝗿𝘂/𝗔𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗿 brands look to me like "bargain" Trane units. The furnaces have dual stainless steel exchangers and 96% AFUE. The condensors have the same spine fin coil that top Trane units use. Yes, they are single stage systems generally speaking, but seem like decent quality for a better price.
Let me know if you agree with these rankings from Consumer Reports and their poll of over 36,000 furnace owners of systems installed between 2005 and 2021.
My house was built in 1961. The original McClary furnace is still running.
After researching for about 2 years on HVAC products, I've discovered that once you get a fairly reliable system, it's the *local supply* you have for parts and stuff that's really important.
Very good point Jerry.
Which is why I don't recommend lennox.
My Payne gas furnace is 28 years old and still working perfect.
Fyi Payne, Day and night are Carrier products.
Yep, mine was installed in 1975 in a new build house. Sold the house in 2020 and it was still going strong. Payne has not been a pain at all.
My Rheem is from the 80's & still running, but not very efficient. I just ordered a new Amana & AC that my HVAC installs. A "silver system". Hope it's good.
My Rheem furnaces were installed in 1995. They still work great. They are easy to fix when something needs fixing. Usually the igniter is the problem.
11 years and counting now with a York Affinity 97.5% efficiency. It was installed by a local reputable heating company, 10 parts and labor warranty and lifetime on Heat exchanger. 1 pressure sensor replacement last year. Part was $45 CAD, installed myself in 15 mins. Its been a great system, in fact 3 neighbors bought the same and have had the same reliability.
Maytag owner here, 21 years. I have replaced 2 inducer motors and about 5 control boards in the last 7 years. I finally discovered that the control boards were failing because acidic moisture was leaking from the hose connections of the inducer, in the smallest amount, right on top of the control board. The corrosive moisture destroyed each control board in the same location.
We had a Bryant Furnace in our home that was built in 2002. I think it was 15 years old when it had to have the control board replaced. Other than that, it worked flawlessly. Same for our Bryant AC Unit which had zero issues in from 2002 to 2021...it would probably still be working fine had our home not burned in June of 2021.
Do you know that there’s a recall for Carrier (also Bryant, Payne, Day and Night) heat exchanger for models built b/w 2002 to 2012. The faulty design caused pin holes formation and leaking of carbon monoxide into the system. There was a class action lawsuit against Carrier for that, but they continued to make the same product until 2014, even now, problem still exists
Nice video, I would like to see both AC and Heating systems rated by location. EX: I live in the far North and only use my central air a few weeks per year. On the ohter hand my heating system runs for five months or so. Someone in Fla. might have way more failures on their AC system while up North we see more furnace and boiler failures. Thanks for a great video.
I agree with comments about installer expertise is a big factor; also the length of time and reputation of the installation company. I disagree with some comments that equipment is equipment is equipment. My step-daughter had a Goodman electric AC unit installed in her Florida home recently. Within 2 months a board went bad and had to be replaced. Years ago, I ran a utility energy efficiency program and we routinely installed new gas furnaces to improve efficiencies and remove failing heat exchangers using licensed contractors. Callbacks were notorious on some equipment. I prefer Carrier and Lennox equipment myself and plan to have one of those installed to replace our 40 year old Bryant furnace in our Midwest home. Thanks for the video. It's helpful to understand how Consumer Reports calculates.
My Dad had an Arcoarie furnace and air conditioning unit. It lasted 30+ years. Until I installed a new units. The old units were lower efficiency and the only thing wrong with air conditioning unit, was the fan blade bearing went out. The furnace heat exchanger was unreplaceable. I figured, that my Dad got his money's worth out of the furnace. My Dad bought the Arcoarie units in 1989. The new furnace, that I got were 96% efficiency. The old units were either 70% or 80% efficiency. I saved a lot of money by getting a new units. I live in the Midwest, so we deal with snow and cold temperatures. Most of winter is below freezing and sometimes below zero.
I would like to see a survey of HVAC tech repair guys on this topic. Thanks for sharing the CR results.
the repair guys will tell you to buy the crappy units
I live in Minneapolis, where a reliable furnace is pretty much a necessity. My house was built in 1954, and a Lennox "Pulse" ("high-efficiency"- about 90% efficient) furnace was already installed when I moved in in 2009. That furnace was installed in 1984, according to the HVAC techs who service it for me, so the survey cited in the video wouldn't even apply to it, and you can do the math - it will have been operating for 40 years with the new year. I have it serviced annually by the local HVAC company that installed it (they say it's still running at 90% efficiency), replace the huge air filter myself every year, and it's working just fine so far this winter. When it finally fails - and I expect it to fail eventually - spare parts (e.g. a heat exchanger) will no longer be available because the unit is so old, so I won't have any choice but to replace it, but I see no reason to change brands when I buy that replacement.
So I have a Keeprite system in my home with air-conditioning. The furnace is 37 years old. I have had it cleaned from time to time but it really has not been looked after properly with what should be a yearly cleaning and inspection. It says its 92 % efficient and the air conditioner is likely a 5 ton unit as it draws 23 amps at 220 volts. I got a big old house with two apartments and 1100 square feet per unit. The system dose an excellent job of heating and air-conditioning as long as they keep the windows closed as humid air freezes the condenser. (I just turn on the heat and it thaws) In those 37 years i have had it break down three time and the last time it was a broken water pipe that sprayed the furnace for a full day before it quit. It was so bad the exhaust motor and fan were full of water and the fan was spinning in water and every single electronic component was soaked to the bone. Obviously it was an insurance claim as it did in my water heater as well. Long story short is its 5 degrees F outside and the water heater was replaced that day. The furnace was checked by the insurance company and is to be replaced as well. The furnace guy left and I put a heater in the furnace room and two fans and it dried up in no time as I wiped what I could down. That furnace after every single component had been soaked through, fired right back up after it dried out and hasn't skipped a beat. So what do I get in its place, heat pump, what kind, or what ideas are out there. (PS i heat my shop with a 3000 watt 8 gallon water heater, a couple hundred feet of tubing on top of the concrete floor, strapped and plywood on top, a pump and thermostat. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID)
I've always preferred Trane and Rheem units due to their reliability and brand recognition, but recently I've been offering more Goodman units. People like that Daikin's brands are made in the US and they seem to be fairing better supply side because of it.
I like Rheem furnaces but I installed a Goodman due to better pricing and better parts availability. Trane parts are expensive and hard to get if you don’t have a license. I don’t like high efficiency furnaces of any brand.
i was given a damage goodman 3 ton gas pack for free, its work great for 8 years. only i cap to be replace for 10 dollars yes i broke and need to re do my ducts
My Amana 90 air command 93 AFUE is 21 years old in 2023 and it has had a few things happen over the years but nothing I couldn't fix myself and I buy all my parts either local or online....Has been really easy to work on and I have had some great Ameren bills for the last 21 years.....My next furnace will be a Amana/Goodman which ever installer has the better price.
Trane is too expensive in my area. I’ve had good luck with Carrier over the years and they are quite common. I would not get the pile of York changed out last as constant breakdowns.
I have never liked Carrier equipment. There are a lot of Carrier heat exchanger replacement videos on RUclips. Carrier high efficiency furnaces seemed to fail most often.
My friends that installed Carrier - crapped out after less than 10 yrs. My 28 year old Armstrong is still in perfect condition.
Wait what? The guy with a giant Trane banner in the background says Trane is the best? That's weird. Didn't see that coming. In the current corporate landscape, all units cost the same over a 60 year span. You'll replace cheaper systems 3 times, or pay more and only replace 2 systems over that span. You'll replace more cheap parts, or fewer expensive ones. It's all the same. It's all planned obsolescence. That's why a new system warranty requires a maintenance plan. You pay the same either way. Many little bites you can plan for, or a couple big gulps when you least expect it.
Labor cost the same no matter what part you’re replacing.
trane will always be #1
I have a 1995 amana air command high efficient 90. I replaced the inducer once and the igniter. Still going strong.
This is good information as we are converting to gas in a year or so on a small duplex with 3400 sqft counting the basements and owner’s unit garage. We will have six zones counting the heat exchanger for domestic hot water. Currently we are using about 600;gallons of #1 heating oil a winter and electric water heaters
Bosch is the way to go. Great inverter heat pumps and high efficiency furnaces. Great for dual fuel systems.
we Had a 18.5 SEER (3ton) installed on our roof & experienced sound/vibration issues for 12 months, during which our installer did everything, EVERYTHING that was suggested on the internet to fix the issue. Now they are offering to replace the unit with a Lennox or Rheem, and we are really dubious-is it the unit or the installer, or both 🤪
My furnace was installed around May or June of 1993. Because I have neglected to replace the air filters, the unit failed in 2010 and didn't use it for two years. When I finally decided to use it again, there were three parts that I had replaced, the motor ($21.00); the circuit board ($80.00); high limit switch ($16.00); and air filters (2x at $7.50). Since then I continuously replaced the air filters once they've reached 50%. Last year in November 2022, the furnace stopped working. Error code 34 calls for HEAT IGNITER, a week later it stopped again. I found out that my Thermostat was defective,, I bought the part and fixed the problem. I always thought that this was made by Carrier/Payne but the upper door is marked DAY and NIGHT and the parts that I've replaced have the Carrier part numbers on them. So now I'm not sure what model this furnace is. I'm not sure how many more years I can get out of this. So far it's been heating my house for almost 30 years.
Carrier bought out ICP, WeatherKing, Carrier also sales Day/Night , Heil, Arcoaire, Tempstar and payne. Carrier bought ICP in 1999. When Comfortmaker had all there evaporator coils leak freon. From 1998 to 2001 all there coils leaked freon. The insurance company that I bought 5 year warranty's paid me $750.00 for each coil for every 4 coils I replaced gave me a 30 lb jug of r-22 and a filter dryer for each coil. I replaced 600 + under Ins warranty. I think the Ins went broke too. Carrier had TXV problem in 2013 to 2015 and carrier did not pay contractors spit out of TXV's then the Magic oil came out and fixed haft of the TXV problems. Rheem was giving away a can of oil with every AC and coil.
My Tempstar is 31 years old and still running.
I've done some minor repairs on it over the years, like the heat sensor and relay switch.
I think it's time to replace it.
Thanks for the very valuable information! I need to replace my 62-year-old Bard gas furnace this spring. The furnace is a tank, would probably last for another 60 years, but I know it's not very efficient. The problem seems to be my Rheem air conditioner. Apparently, the evaporator coils have never been cleaned and the only way to access them is to tear out the framework for the furnace. I can no longer live with the leaks in the basement, so it's time to invest in a replacement. Looks to me as if a complete Lennox system, available at a discount through Costco, will give me the best price and acceptably reliable performance. I'd heard conflicting reports from various sources about Lennox's performance, so I was happy to hear a good report.
I have a gas heater for my home that we never use...ever. We burn wood, 100% of the time to heat the house and have for 32 years. My furnace is 40 years old, but almost new. I want to replace it some time in the future when carrying wood inside the house becomes a real chore, or my wife would have to do it which she can't. I want a furnace that is not so tecnologically advanced that it would need a servide person constantly to tweak it back into shape. I don't believe furnaces have to have so many bells and whistles to keep it running. Jusdt gas and a pilot light is good enough without all the sensors just like an automobile has too many sensors that need replacing. Is that called a two stage burner? I''d like to get one in place before we really need it, and maybe use it a little from time to time. And THUMBS UP!!!
My Lennox MERIT series installed in 2004 started acting up and tech told me I should plan of replacing it.
My house was made in 1993 and my heater is a Rheem. Techs keep telling me I need a new unit. 29 years old and it kelp me warm in Atlanta a few days ago when the temp was 19.
He wants to put one of these newer ones in because they’re not made like the one you have. As far as longevity
Keep that up until someone shows you proof of a failed heat exchanger
Trane here. 2011 installed.. One circuit board so far.
i was looking at a Armstrong Gas and AC…this makes me think i need to do more research
The one thing that SKUs the numbers on what’s actually better or not better is the individuals installing the equipment
For example Carrier or Train or Linux A certified dealer Who has years of experience on that equipment and are usually at a level where they will properly install the unit right the first time maybe with one come minor back adjustment.
Compared to the other brands that could have the exact same quality but are so to any truck in the truck who will install anybody’s equipment and never really get to learn one or two manufactures equipment really well leaving a lot of room for error causing a lot of discomfort and failures by the installer not necessarily the manufactures quality.
Educated qualified years of experience with proper airflow and duct design and load calculations installing even the lowest in Goodman will outlast any chuck in a truck who doesn’t read an installation manual and charges refrigerant to beer can cold installing a Train or a Carrier.
Consumer reports needs to do a consumer report on the individuals that actually install the units not just the equipment.
I like it!
What I find interesting is the fact that few of these manufacturers will sell a furnace directly to the DIY consumer. You have to purchase through a dealer who will perform the installation as well. Goodman comes to mind as a manufacturer who will sell direct. There may be others.
I have Lennox from 1973 since the house was built, passed on as I bought the house in 1990, still working. I did change fan blower motor and pilot light and flame sensor.
Now, I am having trouble to find parts for replacement, too old and Lennox is no longer making those parts.
I am installing a gas heater in my fireplace. I don't know what type or configurationto but. I like the look of the logs flame.
Instead of just quoting some survey from a publication I haven't trusted in awhile, I would've rather had YOU tell us, as an HVAC expert, why you thought this brand or that brand was the best quality. For example, point out why you thought one was built with better quality components, etc.....if that even exists.
I wouldn't really put much stock into what the general public thinks about the system they spent money on. typically, they will give good reviews on what they bought just because thats what they decided for a brand. Additionally, few folks in public have any clue as to how a heater should do its job in overall heating needs. Many of th epublic barely know what a thermostat is or does. So, which models burn a gas flame and move the heat it generates throughout their homes? My guess is they all seem to do it rather well, at least for 10 years or so but then, after they get some miles on them, thats when the quality and well engineered heaters will shine. I know of many homes that their owners are content with the builder grade heaters/AC, cheap supply and return registers that make noise and constrict air flow, filters that are hard to get to such as in the attic or basement and so on. Lots of them will say their heaters are good or even great but those in the know can easily see what they think is good is really not the case.
Thanks for the input Garth!
Thanks a bunch for a candid review.
I had a Lennox G71MPP. After 15 years, two small holes developed in the middle of the heat exchanger. Not in a joint or a crimp area. Just in the middle of the plain sheet metal. Yeah, it had a lifetime warranty for the part but no labor. It was perfectly reliable until then.
yikes, my Lennox G71MPP will be 15 yrs old this July! Did they honor the heat exchanger warranty?
@@joshlasceski I ended up replacing the furnace. You have to remove the furnace to replace the heat exchanger so labor kills any warranty for the part. If they don't have the part, they offer you a discount on a new unit. I went with American Standard S9V2
Flames rolled out when the blower came on. CO detector never went off.
Bosch 18-20 Seer and Mitsubishi Multi City are the best systems and you can get maximum rebates
Just purchased an Amana 80% System. it is replacing a Carrier Comfort Series System. Never put a high end system in an attic. Those condenser hvac systems and the water they produce. The pumps and the complexity of the system are targets for the environment in an attic. The money you will save in a fuel source will be offset by your home owners policy deductible. Flooding is common . They make water in either mode. Constant attention must be done everyday. Did the pump come on? Why is the blower always running? Is the overflow tube in the pan clogged? It's always something no matter who makes it.
I’m gonna dissagree with your top 3.
Had you said those 3 brands are the most advertised I’d agree with you. But cmon Lennox had been rittled with controversy for decades dare I say pulse, how about duracurve.
I wouldn’t touch a Lennox
In 2016 Rheem was rated 1 by consumer reports. It’s funny how they haven’t changed there model but somehow got rated lower and the big 3 spenders ended on top in the latest rankings.
I have a ten year old Lennox. Never again. Had to have repairman out three years running.
Have a Lennox now. Only 10yrs old. On my second board now.
@@Kiddro22 what failed the board? Would the furnace not come on? Because my blower motor wont come on and my first thought was the board but now I think it's a dead module
@@jvirg it would give out error codes. I would correct them and try to clear the codes. But they wouldn’t clear(1st red flag). The furnace would try to cycle back to back but wouldn’t go into soft lock out mode(2nd red flag). So I replaced the board and she fired right up. It may be a back surge or something. This is the second board I’ve replaced.
@@Kiddro22 it was the board. I had also ordered a blower motor just in case and I'm going to keep it because it's brand new and I got it for super cheap. I think you are right about surges and I'm looking at getting surge protection Mars 83905 or whole house. The only problem with getting whole house is I may have to upgrade my old panel and don't have the money atm.
@@jvirg glad it helped. I was looking into that surge protector myself. But like you say contractors prices are through the roof now for work.
Run Tru by Trane is starting to get positive attention. If you don’t mind the unpainted galvanized steel cabinet and tag you will be pleasantly surprised by the build and part’s quality. The warranty is 5 years on parts but if you register goes to 10 years. 20 years on heat exchanger which is obviously not as good as lifetime but your playing less. Built in the same factories as trane/American standard. Ameristar too now as well. Oxbox what the old “ameristar” was being assembled in China.
I'm sitting here in the cold of New Years with a failed heat exchanger on a York after 7 years. Tech says it's pretty common on any propane HE unit...well at least it's under warranty (one time only) labour not included...he says I might get a brand new unit....must move in 7 years...lol
Dang sorry to hear that.
We are replacing our rheem ac and furnace
After 34 years.
Great review, thank you. It would be interesting to see relative costs for the four tiers of furnaces (i.e., 2/5, 3/5, 4/5 and 5/5 categories).
Just getting our 1968 Stewart Warner furnace replaced with a Concord. Any advice on what to expect with a Concord?
Great & honest info. Thank you.
Day & night and Payne is the same company. Owner is Carrier
International Comfort Products makes Day & Night. Carrier (Payne) just happens to own a majority share in ICP, a subsidiary of Carrier. Tough to say they are the same though. Do you agree?
Parts are the same. I have installed their 80% gas furnace from Payne and day & night. And I found no difference at all
Great video and super informative! I’m definitely leaning towards Carrier or Lennox for sure. You should a do video on tankless water heaters!!
I was a fool to buy into the Trane hype for a gas furnace. Came with noisy inducer fan because of a chipped blade. $800 control board failed just shy of the warranty. But they forgot to include a new igniter because the new board supplies 120v instead of the previous 80v. That is their practice, but they failed to follow it. Therefore the old igniter fried days after warranty. Their computer database updates are delayed, so they sent out another 80v for my serial #! It also fried! Off the shelf, same silicon nitride unit, about $40. Trane price I had to pay, $120. I fought them because they made the mistakes. They pretend to have a customer complaint department, but all you get is boilerplate answers. In my case, they replied with a boilerplate letter that explained that they have no control over the FREON supplier! I replied that they have my GAS FURNACE file mixed up with another AIR CONDITIONING customer. They replied that they have responded and that therefore my file is closed! I had to eat the hundreds in costs to fix their mistakes.
I have a York P2MP that lasted 25 years until the blower motor bearings failed.
I’m torn between a Carrier or a Payne
Lennox 52yrs old took cracked heat exchanger
Good man furnace induction heaters leak water after 2yr period and computer problems otherwise okay. Bryant's furnaces had terrible computer problems and heat exchanger cracking. Carrier is probably the best good induction heater no leaks and the computer board is excellent. Keep right seems to be a pretty good furnace but is more expensive. Hope this helps someone.
Your response is quite comical since you have no idea what you are even talking about. First off, it is Goodman, and I have no idea what an induction heater here that could leak water after two years. So that's out... And btw, Goodman is owned and built by Daikin/Amana, which happens to be the largest manufacture in the world.
Then you say Bryant is a terrible furnace because of the computer problems and heat exchanger cracking! And then you give Kudo to Carrier who actually makes and owns Bryant and is item for the item the exact system. It is even close than Chevy/GMC because they are made in the same factory and just have different color enamel paint. So you seriously have no clue what you are talking about. If anything, Bryant in the better unit as it is about 15% less expensive for the same exact part numbers, part for part. Just look at their websites, they offer the same equipment. And Carrier Global which is the largest manufacturer in the United States, also owns ICP which is basically the spin-off of Carrier line called Payne. And let me remind you, they make Bryant, yet you say Carrier is the best and is the same exact product. You are probably thinking of Lennox as a leaker because they are the winner there. And Trane and American Standard is far from being the best brand unless you mean the most expensive to buy and repair. They certainly win in that category. As a technician in the field, I work on a lot of equipment and there is no brand that is perfect or even close. The problem is a lot of them get their parts from the same manufacture in the Pacific Rim from the same factory. That is why I replace all my capacitors, contractors, and fans with units made in the United States. I do not believe any brand is 100% made in America, but maybe some day!!
If you want to know about all the other brands, just respond and I will continue. Some of the other brands are decent, I was just straightening you out.
2:03 JCI also makes Guardian and Champion
I feel like the install is more important than the brand. A Goodman properly installed will outlast the top tier improperly installed. Aside from the heat exchanger, most of the parts seem somewhat universal between furnaces. I’m not a fan of ECMs, but since that is now the standard I insisted on surge protection on both the furnace and the condenser in addition to the whole house surge protection I have. If the flame rod, the igniter, the pressure switches or the gas valve go bad, they are relatively standard parts that can be replaced. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I’ll take the Goodman I have that was downsized by the installer and has a 0.3 differential over an oversized top tier pushing 1.2 through the same ductwork…. Time will tell.
For the furnace surge protector what did you use? I see there is one called zebra that goes from the board to the ecm module but there is also a Mars 83905 surge protector for the entire furnace. I'm not sure which one would be better? Probably the one for the entire furnace. But looking at other people take on this?
@@jvirg Intermatic AG3000….. the Mars is comparable and would work as well.
Looking for new & simple direct vent (no chimney) gas BOILER (80% efficiency is fine) (not a furnace) that has best shot to last 20 to 25 years and is low maintenance - zero bells and whistles. My focus is not efficiency. Priority = low maintenance and longevity. Currently running 1991 Slant Fin V90 - 80% Direct Vent - baseboard forced hot water - has been excellent, but time to change out. Thoughts, guys/gals? TY!
Very useful information. Thank you.
People need to learn how to work on there own stuff.. Thats how I roll.
FOR SURE. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO HVAC. THE MANUFACTURER WHO DESIGNS A TRULLY "PLUG AND PLAY" SYSTEM THAT IS EASY TO WORK ON AND COMPONENT BASE WILL RULE.
Hello. Great video. I live in an apartment and the gas furnace stops working during a power outage. Can I connect a vehicle battery or some other power source to the furnace so that it will run during power outage? Thanks
What is that old line of heavy built simple gas furnaces, made in Ohio? Are they still around?
Hi we are in need of replacing a 28 year old furnace for a 1996 Bi Level total sq ft 2500 we are seniors on a so called fixed income so payments would be prefered a furnace guy by us recommended a Weatherking 70,000 BTU single stage furnace what we need to know is are they reliable and a good brand ? what brand would you recommend and size we live in Vulcan Alberta Canada we also have already a 3-4 year old Air conditioner this is an investment for us so we want best bang for the buck so to speak but very reliable thank you so much and we look forward to your response cheers
Thank you great video. I have a amana Is there anyway to tell if a board is failing ? Or could a board fail intermittently?
Have a American standard 👍
Coleman and York are terrible!! I totally agree, stick with Trane, American Standard, Carrier, Bryant, or Lennox!! Why settle for anything less.
Coleman, York, and Lennox manufactured fairly good equipment back in the 80’s. York’s reputation was ruined by the microchannel coil design which is prone to leaking. I hear that Lennox has evaporator coil leaks and other quality issues.
@@picklerix6162 In my area if I get an appointment for a failed furnace, AC, or HP and the house is maybe 10 years old, it's almost always a York or Coleman. I have a photo album on my work iPad labeled dead Coleman's and York's. Lol. It's that bad around me. It could be bad installations. We cover about a 75 mile radius and I see the same thing all over this area. It's the same for older homes with 8 to 12 year old Coleman and York equipment too.
I l; live in SF, My house is 2000 Sq. and my house has an attic. I need a quiet furnace For Carrier, Do you have any recommended models? Thank you very much!
you have an opinion on bosch bgh96 when paired with the ids 2.0 4/5ton?
Doesn't Lennox make AC Pro for the west coast market?
Thats 30 years in 2026 thats pretty good!! Carrier
Why is American Standard / Trane so good ?
I just know as a technician, I have to repair them less than the other brands out there. It could be the way they test their equipment, the consistency in their build process ( Ive been to the factory. Its very consistent they whole way through the build). The sheet metal they use, the components, control boards, all just seem to have higher standard of build than others Ive worked on.
gas packs dont need any techs for the gas burners it is set up at the factory. now the techs are need to make sure the ducts are size right and ballance
I have a Carrier and my house was built in 1996 and although something is wrong just this week, I believe I can repair it. The inducer motor comes on but the igniter doesn't heat orange. I did hear the gas in the tubes but no flame came on. I got 12 code blower (R, W closed) any idea? I think that second igniter you changed heat sensor ?
The flame sensor is dirty or bypasses the limit switch it is open mode one of these will be the problem. The limit switch is probably staying open so the igniter won't ignite. Clean the flame sensor with fine steel wool and clean it off with paper towel. Should be good to go.
Any ICP made equipment.
When would you replace rather then repair? I have a York over 10 years old. I had to replace the blower motor and the startup motor last year too. Thanks my friend
When heat exchanger is cracked.
@@5822huron thank you sir. About how long are the life cycle? I know, but... I'm in New England and keep the heat on 70
@@danaringquist9730 what kind of furnace? Give me more info
@@danaringquist9730 it doesn't matter what you keep the heat set at.
@@5822huron its a York, can't find the model though..
My 21 year old 82% efficiency Carrier lasted 21 years
But
It needed a new blower at 15 years
The heat exchanger fell apart at 21 years, and that was the last straw.... very smelly inside and outside of the house near the end... dangerous unit.
I got a York this time.... 20 year manuf. Warranty.... 2 stage.... 96 percent efficiency, $3800 Canadian installed including a humidifier.
If it lasts 20 years, it will more than pay for itself.
Bogus report...
Daikin/Goodman sells the MOST (number) of all the brands nation wide.
So I highly question the report
My Goodman is 20 years old with just one MINOR repair.
The only brand that matters is the one you can get parts for when it's 110 degrees. The rest is marketing.
I have a gas Goodman it was just replaced under warranty at 7 years because the heat exchanger was faulty
Nice they warranty the product.
But I new furnace every 7 year is horrible … my oil furnace lasted 25 years….I was hoping to go to gas to save money should have bought a new oil furnace???
ruclips.net/video/euaYORcVGSs/видео.html Heat exchangers fail due to a lack of airflow and manufacture defect. Goodan does not have a great reputation at all amongst my peers. Some people sell it because they can get it super cheap and sell it for a better margin. Wish i could see your setup. I could get you a better answer.
I have a Goodman 96% efficient furnace that is now 7 years old. The only problem so far is a gas valve that failed just shy of five years, but was under warranty, so no out of pocket expenses so far. I replaced it myself. It was a $100.00 part.
I heard that Goodman had troubles with heat exchanger failure when exposed to chlorine (from bleach fumes in laundry/utility rooms.) Mine uses outside combustion air so it shouldn't be a problem.
dont know what that guy is talking about had a 2,5 ton good heat pump package package unit. it worked well its not goodmans fault that lighting destroyed the Bristol compresser Armstrong is not a higher tier unit it did ok had a Copeland piston Compressor . it was a heat pump package unit mother board went was not going to pay 400 dollars for a mother board because i dont like heat pumps. the only reason i had a heat pump is the insurane company would not pay for a gas pack. also on the armstrong it was under waranty and arstrong would not pay fpr a 200 dollar blower . i ran my armstrong on man over ride for 6 months runing the AC. could have ran it in the winter but going from defrost to heat and back on mam over ride stinks. could of ran it on heat strips but that would have costed me 10k watts per hour or 1 dollar per hour. some one gave me a nat gas furance i built a cheat roof and sides to run it out doors . it worked great , summer was coming up i was broke some one order a on line 3 ton gas package unit for some one in murfrees boro tn. the ship company drop the good man 3 ton gas pack and the con coil was dented yes a new unit was ship out and installed but no body pick up the damage good man gas package unit. it sat out doors for 6 months . i was saving up for a reeam gas package and some guy knew is was broke paying off 40k in debt in 5 years on a 30km job. some guy pick up the unit that sat out doors for 6 months and put it in my yard. the unit was damage and it could never be Warrantied by good man . i hook it up and it has worked great for 8 years. only problem is i had to replace a exhaust motor cap for 10 dollars and 30 dollars for gas as the part was only in nashville yes i need to fix my ducts but my ecm had been damage by biden. yes it got throught a tva rolling blackout just fine at 10 below zero. as ave ramsey would sat if you are broke would you pay 4k for a rheem or a damage goodman for free
Our Church has 14 Lenox units. Parts are hardly ever available and very seldom do all 14 work. I would not recommend buy or use this company’s products. Having a large Trane sign behind you could be considered biased.
Didn’t Coleman make the ratings? Zero stars out of five?
I think people who pay more for their furnaces tend to rate them higher.
It’s human nature.
Installers who sell really cheap furnaces have high praise for their POS units.
Heil and Carrier are both owned by United Technologies. This guy claims Heil is under the ICP. Wrong. My Heil system was built in the same factory that Carrier products are manufactured in.
The old York from the 90s built well and I still service them but the New York are garbage They aluminum Microchannel cheap stay away
they had to fed gov rules
Let me know if you agree with these rankings from Consumer Reports and their poll of over 36,000 furnace owners of systems installed between 2005 and 2021.
Trane's 𝗥𝘂𝗻𝗧𝗿𝘂/𝗔𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗿 brands look to me like "bargain" Trane units. The furnaces have dual stainless steel exchangers and 96% AFUE. The condensors have the same spine fin coil that top Trane units use. Yes, they are single stage systems generally speaking, but seem like decent quality for a better price.