I just did the comp stall springs in my built 420/500 rancher and I found that a tire reamer tool, the ones that come in the tire plug kits worked well for getting the springs in. And I agree, needle nose pliers are not the best tool for getting the springs installed. Lol
I have the economy kit in my 420. I think they give you just enough power to the ground to get you out of that thick stuff, but not so aggressive as to compromise your trail riding experience.
A good friend of ours helped Justin build the axle paddles, its a one off build. If your looking to build something similar I recommend showing this video to someone with a little bit of fabrication experience. With a little bit of imagination their not hard to create.
Yes, there is a noticeable "launch" when going from a stop, this Jump in power to the wheels will break loose tires that may not otherwise get going in peanut butter mud. Keep in mind this is a very aggressive Kit, they make one about half the stall. I have the EPI Economy in my 420 that may be all you need unless your going for an all out mud machine.
Your right about the competition stall, its for mud machines only. if trail riding is what you primarily do I wouldn't go with it. Freight Train and a buddy of ours built the axle paddles, the are tough :)
first video i’ve seen of installation on one of these clutch kit, i have an ‘18 rancher 420 4x4 and i wanna run 29.5 outlaw 2 but don’t want to spend on a gear reduction would i need a competition series or economy?
If your planing on running anywhere besides a mud drag, like trail riding. I would probably go with the economy. The competition clutch "stalls" or waits until your RPMs are up quite a bit before engaging, at that point it hits harder but is hard to control if all you want to do is creep around. that's my opinion anyway
i have a 06 rancher 400 4x4 in needs a clutch, the front drive shaft goes through the front clutch cover, any advice on pulling out the front drive shaft? does not look easy thanks, and also you have a great video.
I have a rancher 420 running 27" mega mayhems skinny wide, I love to mud in heavy stuff but I have trouble spinning the tires, what kit should I go with?
+Ruben Rodriguez I went with the EPI Economy kit on my 420 (28in outlaw MST skinny wide's) and had no issues getting them turning again. The Economy kit would do you just fine and not compromise on the ride quality at all. The Competition Stall kit is really only for someone who wants to go all out mud.
I have a 07 foreman I have 28 inch silver backs will that kit help it spin them in the mud good I ride trails and road a lot to will be ok? Great video
I put the moderate kit in my 08 Rancher it has 28 in wide outlaw MST's. Before I had trouble getting the wheels turning once it stopped, after not so much. Although we did put the Comp stall kit in this one they make one that's less aggressive and more friendly to trail riding, that would be all you need. It lets you build up a little more power before putting it to the wheels.. a lot of times that all you need to get it moving again.
The plastics we just scuffed and sanded real good. Applied primer with a plastic adhesion and then got the spray liner n the can from Home Depot and coated a couple a times The tail lights we sprayed with VHS nightshades from advanced auto. Spray n let dry and repeat to your darkness that u like
I'm having issues on my 2015 honda 500 fm7 Rubicon. It seems to jump when I shift. It has an adjustable clutch adjuster. Foot shift only.. when I press down on the shifter from a higher gear to a lower gear I am able to still accelerate while holding down the shifter or holding the shifter up.. would it be my clutch pads are worn?? I also ran camso t4s tracks for the first time last winter. Stock tires always before that
At the time it had the 2 in HL lift kits front and rear, no wheel spacers however the way he made the axle paddles on the rear was a cylinder welled to a plate drilled out to fit the hubs then bolted on.. this way the paddles could be removed if needed, and no frame stretching.
Ok thanks. Seemed like i noticed the shock spacers(aluminum spaced on shock itself) I was just wondering bc Iwas thinking of adding both but was worried about axle angle and it making my bike narrow.
Yea, he was real happy with it, he did some strait up mud riding with it, and never had a problem getting it rolling in the thicker stuff. Unfortunately I don't have any video of him riding.
Anthony Lively The best way I could describe the Comp stall kit is like having 3500 RPM stall torque converter in a dragster. Putting around your yard your going to notice the engine has to build up some rpm's before it starts moving. hotroding it around you'er not going to notice it as much. For the average guy, and not a serious mudder, they do make a level below the one we installed.... its the one I put in my rancher. For me I preferred that one over the one we installed in Justin's machine. Both are great mods, its really up to user preference.
+1boehm Well in our case we didn't remove the clutch basket, so there was no need to remove the nut... and no need for the removal tool. I've done this job on 420's and foreman's both without removal of the basket. Only trick with doing it on the machine is making sure you don't drop anything in the engine, " This is why I cover the engine with shop rags" but standing it up sure makes it easier to get to.
is the foreman and rancher clutch fairly similar. This is the only video on RUclips of it bein done on a Honda close to what I have. 2007 Honda rancher 420 4x4
I had an 08 4x4 Rancher I did the same thing too, its very similar, except the rancher had 4 springs instead of 6. You need to remove the front drive shaft since the final drive shaft comes out thru the cover you need to remove to gain access to the clutch basket. All in all its the same operation, just keep track of your parts and pay close attention to what came off and where, you should be fine.
any special tool that you need to do this and once every comes off and your putting it back on is there any kind of special torque to the bolts or just snug so they wont fall off.
If you have the means to do so, torquing the front cover bolts is a good idea, in my case I snugged them down. However based on the torque specs I went by when I did my big red gear reduction on my Rincon, they are probably around 80 - 85 inch pounds, (NOT FOOT POUNDS) I didn't use any special tools on mine, unless your going to remove the clutch basket, you don't need a puller "AKA" Special tool. The rest is just nuts bolts, a good mechanics pick, some channel lock pliers and a little bit a patients and attention to details.
If you plan to do trial riding at all, I’d stick with the economy.. the competition is really intended for mud bogs and the wide open throttle ridding.. creeping through trails or using your machine for work related stuff, the comp is too aggressive.
I did the Econ on my 420, I could notice a difference, it takes 3 to 4 hundred more rpm’s to get rolling.. not the best when trying to spray round up on your property, however having run extra umph to get the wheels Turing in thick mud… made a difference.
Yellowdog02 i have a question since im trying to get a cluch kit for my honda rancher 350 do I need to buy just the springs or the springs and the rings as sold on the epi website?
The 350 I'm not entirely sure what you (Really need) but I would opt to go with the more complete kit. Their has to be reason the kit comes with the additional parts and the cost savings on just the springs cant be worth going back into the ATV a second time if you find you need the extra parts as well.
The reason i ask is i just replaced the one way clutch bearing and now my fourwheeler (exact same as this one) clunks one time when the engine brake kicks in it isnt extremely loud but it is noticeable. Could it be because of the washer?
Its possible, since that washer is a thrush washer for the end play from the crank shaft "I believe anyway". No more difficult than it is to verify, It would be worth your time to check, or have a reputable mechanic listen to your noise first.
+Gerardo Soto We'd intended to do one on this foreman but it was sold for another ride before we got around to it. If I get a chance to do one in the future i will document it.
I think the clutch baskets are similar, so my guess is, its the same general setup. My 08 rancher only had 4 springs where the one is this video had 6, so there are some variations. If i'm not mistaken your 02 foreman would have 5 springs.
tengo un problema con mi rincon 680 se a quedado como neutra le entran los cambios y no se mueve ni para delante ni para atrás, necesito ayuda por favor
Honda Man Well, I've put one in an 08 Rancher, but I didn't film it. My point is, there's not much difference in the rancher and the foreman in this video except the rancher was 4 springs instead of 6 and was a little easier to do. So far as doing another one, unless I can convince my wife to let me tear her's apart its not likely I will do another on anytime soon. (Shes not going to let me do that..LOL)
Honda Man if memory serves me right, no, there's only 1 gasket... you do however have to remove the front diff drive shaft, since the output shaft goes thru the cover.
Honda Man The way I like to do things is by the factory specs... if it has a gasket, I buy the gasket... it took us about 4 hours to do the job... not in a hurry or anything.
I have a grinding quilting type noise in front around the clutch . im thinking it's the clutch ,but it's not slipping anyone had this happen on a 2009 forman 500
+lloyd sullivan jr My 08 rancher made a rattle/metallic ticking type noise at times from the same area. I never could pin point it, even after I installed the economy clutch kit. I eventually took it as an inherent characteristic of the machine. I don't know if this helps you, but if a qualified repair shop listens too it and doesn't think there is an issue, it may be more like what I've experienced.
+Yellowdog02 i finaly took mine down today to check the valves, i just had them done and they where really loose, guess they where adjusted on the exhaust stroke, its all quiet except for a little noise. but now I'm happy happy, its nothing serious .i won't take it anywhere anymore. ill just di it myself.
Well, when he had it, none… but after that it’s hard to say.. but since it was an older Forman.. those machine were pretty tough.. so maybe it stood up to the abuse.
Good man! i prefer Nascar to football or any other sport any day of the week..you really gotta hand it to those drivers. the physical endurance required is incredible with them G forces tugging at them constantly.
I just did the comp stall springs in my built 420/500 rancher and I found that a tire reamer tool, the ones that come in the tire plug kits worked well for getting the springs in. And I agree, needle nose pliers are not the best tool for getting the springs installed. Lol
I have the economy kit in my 420. I think they give you just enough power to the ground to get you out of that thick stuff, but not so aggressive as to compromise your trail riding experience.
A good friend of ours helped Justin build the axle paddles, its a one off build. If your looking to build something similar I recommend showing this video to someone with a little bit of fabrication experience. With a little bit of imagination their not hard to create.
Yes, there is a noticeable "launch" when going from a stop, this Jump in power to the wheels will break loose tires that may not otherwise get going in peanut butter mud. Keep in mind this is a very aggressive Kit, they make one about half the stall. I have the EPI Economy in my 420 that may be all you need unless your going for an all out mud machine.
Your right about the competition stall, its for mud machines only. if trail riding is what you primarily do I wouldn't go with it. Freight Train and a buddy of ours built the axle paddles, the are tough :)
first video i’ve seen of installation on one of these clutch kit, i have an ‘18 rancher 420 4x4 and i wanna run 29.5 outlaw 2 but don’t want to spend on a gear reduction would i need a competition series or economy?
If your planing on running anywhere besides a mud drag, like trail riding. I would probably go with the economy. The competition clutch "stalls" or waits until your RPMs are up quite a bit before engaging, at that point it hits harder but is hard to control if all you want to do is creep around. that's my opinion anyway
Out of those two clutches with one is responsible for stiff shifting my 2003 ranche tm thanks in advance
i have a 06 rancher 400 4x4 in needs a clutch, the front drive shaft goes through the front clutch cover, any advice on pulling out the front drive shaft? does not look easy thanks, and also you have a great video.
Mines an 07 and did the new springs cause any issues with reliability and stuff?
I have a rancher 420 running 27" mega mayhems skinny wide, I love to mud in heavy stuff but I have trouble spinning the tires, what kit should I go with?
+Ruben Rodriguez
I went with the EPI Economy kit on my 420 (28in outlaw MST skinny wide's) and had no issues getting them turning again. The Economy kit would do you just fine and not compromise on the ride quality at all. The Competition Stall kit is really only for someone who wants to go all out mud.
I have a 07 foreman I have 28 inch silver backs will that kit help it spin them in the mud good I ride trails and road a lot to will be ok? Great video
I put the moderate kit in my 08 Rancher it has 28 in wide outlaw MST's. Before I had trouble getting the wheels turning once it stopped, after not so much. Although we did put the Comp stall kit in this one they make one that's less aggressive and more friendly to trail riding, that would be all you need. It lets you build up a little more power before putting it to the wheels.. a lot of times that all you need to get it moving again.
they are the same as the EPI springs, you should be fine with them.
Can he see a big difference in power that is transfered to the groung and does he have any cam work on the bike thanks
Nice video, what did you use to black out the plastics?
The plastics we just scuffed and sanded real good. Applied primer with a plastic adhesion and then got the spray liner n the can from Home Depot and coated a couple a times The tail lights we sprayed with VHS nightshades from advanced auto. Spray n let dry and repeat to your darkness that u like
I'm having issues on my 2015 honda 500 fm7 Rubicon. It seems to jump when I shift. It has an adjustable clutch adjuster. Foot shift only.. when I press down on the shifter from a higher gear to a lower gear I am able to still accelerate while holding down the shifter or holding the shifter up.. would it be my clutch pads are worn?? I also ran camso t4s tracks for the first time last winter. Stock tires always before that
does the bike stand up know with the clutch kit in
2” high lifter lift and shock spacers? Any wheel spacers? Or stretch?
At the time it had the 2 in HL lift kits front and rear, no wheel spacers however the way he made the axle paddles on the rear was a cylinder welled to a plate drilled out to fit the hubs then bolted on.. this way the paddles could be removed if needed, and no frame stretching.
Ok thanks. Seemed like i noticed the shock spacers(aluminum spaced on shock itself) I was just wondering bc Iwas thinking of adding both but was worried about axle angle and it making my bike narrow.
Im going for a stright mud bike do u know how the highlifter outlaw cluch kit does the springs are red and very tight
thx guys for the video.
Your welcome :)
did ya'll change out the main housing gasket or use the original?
We installed a new one, the original one came apart upon removal.
dose he like the epi competition kit how des it perform and do you have any videos of him riding ?
Yea, he was real happy with it, he did some strait up mud riding with it, and never had a problem getting it rolling in the thicker stuff. Unfortunately I don't have any video of him riding.
Yellowdog02 how did it do on the hard ground?
Anthony Lively The best way I could describe the Comp stall kit is like having 3500 RPM stall torque converter in a dragster. Putting around your yard your going to notice the engine has to build up some rpm's before it starts moving. hotroding it around you'er not going to notice it as much. For the average guy, and not a serious mudder, they do make a level below the one we installed.... its the one I put in my rancher. For me I preferred that one over the one we installed in Justin's machine. Both are great mods, its really up to user preference.
how did you hold the main clutch to remove that lock nut? i dont want to spend the money on the tool lol
+1boehm
Well in our case we didn't remove the clutch basket, so there was no need to remove the nut... and no need for the removal tool. I've done this job on 420's and foreman's both without removal of the basket. Only trick with doing it on the machine is making sure you don't drop anything in the engine, " This is why I cover the engine with shop rags" but standing it up sure makes it easier to get to.
@@Yellowdogsworld do these springs cause reliability issues ??
is the foreman and rancher clutch fairly similar. This is the only video on RUclips of it bein done on a Honda close to what I have. 2007 Honda rancher 420 4x4
I had an 08 4x4 Rancher I did the same thing too, its very similar, except the rancher had 4 springs instead of 6. You need to remove the front drive shaft since the final drive shaft comes out thru the cover you need to remove to gain access to the clutch basket. All in all its the same operation, just keep track of your parts and pay close attention to what came off and where, you should be fine.
any special tool that you need to do this and once every comes off and your putting it back on is there any kind of special torque to the bolts or just snug so they wont fall off.
If you have the means to do so, torquing the front cover bolts is a good idea, in my case I snugged them down. However based on the torque specs I went by when I did my big red gear reduction on my Rincon, they are probably around 80 - 85 inch pounds, (NOT FOOT POUNDS) I didn't use any special tools on mine, unless your going to remove the clutch basket, you don't need a puller "AKA" Special tool. The rest is just nuts bolts, a good mechanics pick, some channel lock pliers and a little bit a patients and attention to details.
Do you recommend the economy or the competition
If you plan to do trial riding at all, I’d stick with the economy.. the competition is really intended for mud bogs and the wide open throttle ridding.. creeping through trails or using your machine for work related stuff, the comp is too aggressive.
Is there a noticeable difference between the economy and the stock, is it with doing a economy kit?
I did the Econ on my 420, I could notice a difference, it takes 3 to 4 hundred more rpm’s to get rolling.. not the best when trying to spray round up on your property, however having run extra umph to get the wheels Turing in thick mud… made a difference.
Yellowdog02 i have a question since im trying to get a cluch kit for my honda rancher 350 do I need to buy just the springs or the springs and the rings as sold on the epi website?
The 350 I'm not entirely sure what you (Really need) but I would opt to go with the more complete kit. Their has to be reason the kit comes with the additional parts and the cost savings on just the springs cant be worth going back into the ATV a second time if you find you need the extra parts as well.
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Did you have to adjust your clutch after this ?
Nope, no adjustment needed with this modification.
@@Yellowdogsworld thanks man I appreciate it putting a outlaw kit in my 2013 foreman 500 es
@@thomasfritts5724 I'd the springs cause any reliability issues or make problems?
how much it cost to make this work?.
really in one atv shop tell me around 2000 dlls
where i can buy the everything?.
Where or who made the back axel paddles
He made them himself at his place of work at the time... they were pretty damm cool... and worked like a champ.
great vid I have an 05 Honda foreman that im looking to do this to 2 questions what size tires is he running and what lift dose he have on their
Thanks for the post... He's running skinny 29.5 Outlaws all the way around and a 2 inch highlifter lift.
Well we didn't try it that night, and I don't know that Justin has tried to stand it up... either way he wasn't going for that.
What would happen if i accidentally left out the washer that came out stuck to the clutch cover??
Well...What "should happen" is you take it back apart and put the washer back in. What could happen???? bad things man, bad things.
The reason i ask is i just replaced the one way clutch bearing and now my fourwheeler (exact same as this one) clunks one time when the engine brake kicks in it isnt extremely loud but it is noticeable. Could it be because of the washer?
Its possible, since that washer is a thrush washer for the end play from the crank shaft "I believe anyway". No more difficult than it is to verify, It would be worth your time to check, or have a reputable mechanic listen to your noise first.
lmao
it would be awesome if you guys could do a gear reduction install on a foreman. ive looked for one everywhere and cant find one.
+Gerardo Soto
We'd intended to do one on this foreman but it was sold for another ride before we got around to it. If I get a chance to do one in the future i will document it.
+Yellowdog02 thanks man. Loved that clutch kit install video it was great
+Gerardo Soto I have a video of a gear reduction installation on a honda rancher 350. pretty much identical
i just looked for it on your page couldnt find it. do you still have it up?
Gerardo Soto yes I do should be under honda rancher 350 gear reduction install
would this be the same way to install a kit on a 2002 honda forman 450?
I think the clutch baskets are similar, so my guess is, its the same general setup. My 08 rancher only had 4 springs where the one is this video had 6, so there are some variations. If i'm not mistaken your 02 foreman would have 5 springs.
Ok. Thanks for the help. I might install a kit in mine. About how long did it take to install?
Gerardo Soto We did this in one 1 evening, so maybe 3 hours if you take your time.
Ok thanks for the info!!
tengo un problema con mi rincon 680 se a quedado como neutra le entran los cambios y no se mueve ni para delante ni para atrás, necesito ayuda por favor
Can you do a video on putting a comp stall epi clutch on a honda rancher 420 4x4 because I just ordered on and I need a reference please
Honda Man Well, I've put one in an 08 Rancher, but I didn't film it. My point is, there's not much difference in the rancher and the foreman in this video except the rancher was 4 springs instead of 6 and was a little easier to do. So far as doing another one, unless I can convince my wife to let me tear her's apart its not likely I will do another on anytime soon. (Shes not going to let me do that..LOL)
Yellowdog02 oh lol did you have to put another gasket for the rancher
Honda Man if memory serves me right, no, there's only 1 gasket... you do however have to remove the front diff drive shaft, since the output shaft goes thru the cover.
Yellowdog02 if I break the gasket can I just hi temp silicone where is breaks and how hard was It and about how long did it take
Honda Man The way I like to do things is by the factory specs... if it has a gasket, I buy the gasket... it took us about 4 hours to do the job... not in a hurry or anything.
how long dose it take to install?
Mitchell Squartsoff took us 1 evening to do, 3-4 hours maybe.
ok thank u ?for the informacion.!
I have a grinding quilting type noise in front around the clutch . im thinking it's the clutch ,but it's not slipping anyone had this happen on a 2009 forman 500
+lloyd sullivan jr My 08 rancher made a rattle/metallic ticking type noise at times from the same area. I never could pin point it, even after I installed the economy clutch kit. I eventually took it as an inherent characteristic of the machine. I don't know if this helps you, but if a qualified repair shop listens too it and doesn't think there is an issue, it may be more like what I've experienced.
+Yellowdog02 i finaly took mine down today to check the valves, i just had them done and they where really loose, guess they where adjusted on the exhaust stroke, its all quiet except for a little noise. but now I'm happy happy, its nothing serious .i won't take it anywhere anymore. ill just di it myself.
i know this is a very old video, but i wonder how many axles/drive lines this guy has stripped out because of those huge tires ?..lmao.
Well, when he had it, none… but after that it’s hard to say.. but since it was an older Forman.. those machine were pretty tough.. so maybe it stood up to the abuse.
Nope, no cam work, just an HMF, a K/N filter, and jet kit.
i do rekon we better get that there do hicky done for them nascar comes own the TV, you foller whattam sayin?
LOL, I Most Certainly do!
Good man! i prefer Nascar to football or any other sport any day of the week..you really gotta hand it to those drivers. the physical endurance required is incredible with them G forces tugging at them constantly.
What size tires on the bike
Those were the Gen-1 outlaws 29.5s