Okay this is great, because I've ready guides on how to KBD on a hitbox (which is obviously super easy), but the part that I've never understood is the timing. Like I can input back, down+back, back, neutral as fast as I want. I think this is a fantastic tutorial. Keep the crouch short and the dash long, that's what I needed to know.
0:20 that is incorrect. The game will not register letting go of the stick from ↙️ to neutral as a ⬅️ direction. You have to let ⬇️ go before ⬅️ direction for it to register ⬅️. You are doing it without realizing it because your motion is sliding along the left side which is how the ⬅️ direction registers when the ⬇️ is no longer pressed down. If you would let go from ↙️ directly into neutral without sliding the stick to the left it wouldn't register it as direction at all. That is why the backdash seems like a mysterious thing to so many because everyone is guiding to let go to neutral when they aren't letting go to neutral themselves but in fact letting go to neutral along the left side.
@@RyzingSol Thanks. I didn't want to sound negative in any way. It's just something i've noticed and i've been wondering why it's not mentioned in almost any KBD tutorials.
The best BDC tutorial I ever seen. I learned it many years ago, but i wasted too many time to understand timing. With such a tutorial I coulnd learn it much easier! Great job and very nice content!
You can still kick ass with a normal joystick controller I reached tekken god in 7 different characters all with a joystick controller so you can do itt
when i do d,db release i dont get the free b its just a neutral input. and doing b,db,b then release doesnt do it either. 0:23 it looks like you are just letting go after db and getting it everytime and idk what im doing differently than you :(
Micro dashing to me is simple when you learn you can buffer the first forward input during move recoveries, so it's not so much speed (that helps) but timing. Good practice for me is play Bryan in training turn CH on and practice magic 4 CH combos against a small character. Just requires 1 small dash jab but helps give a feel for the timing.
I can't consistently get my lever to register the free back input after letting go, I'm using a Hori RAP 4, any idea why? Most of the time I'm just getting a neutral, others I'm getting a forward
I have the same stick but I modded out my hayabusa lever for a golden Fanta korean lever. Japanese ball tops are overall harder to use when it comes to diagonals because of the looser, slower, return to neutral and the square gate. Definitely recommend Korean lever.
@@mindspacegaming Thanks for the tip! I actually finished a small series of mods just recently, bought an octagonal gate but didn't do enough research and got the wrong kind 😓 is the entire lever complicated to replace as a beginner? Edit: Oof is there also a cheaper alternative to that fanta lever?
great guide, one of the best on KBD so far i guess. But one thing, the step from no. 2 to no. 3, is there nothing in between? is it only the rythm? or...? yeah... i'm having trouble to convert the no. 2 practice into movement in no. 3....
A common mistake is corrected in this video. You don't need the extra back input after db because when you let go of the stick after db it automatically registers a back
@@addydiesel6627 i have the stick directly connected to the PC. If i move the stick from d/b a bit in the b Direction and let go it gets the input, but from d/b very rarely, i guess only by mistake because i moved a bit into b direction
You should be able to just let it go. Your lever might be to loose. On my old lever I'd let go of down and I'd get an up input. I got the Sanwa JLF lever and it works perfectly
Hey Sol! Big thanks for the video! I only have one question: Sometimes when I let go of the stick (as mentioned in 0:19) after the DB, I don't get a free B, and instead I just get B,DB. Any advice as to what I'm doing wrong? Thanks!
You might not be doing anything wrong. Try to double check by slowly not touching the gate, basically doing the downback just the first millimeter it triggers and then releasing to neutral. If you don't get a "free" back no matter what you do, it might have something to do with your lever. I used to be able to this "free" back method but after changing to a new Sanwa, lever this does not work anymore. I'm 100% sure it's the lever because I've been doing KBDs for years the same way and I know how the "free" back feels in my hand. Maybe it's because this new one is stiffer or maybe the positioning of the internals slightly changed. Now I have to manually guide the stick to back before going to neutral. Much more consistent method IMO but it does feel more tiring.
Does having a new "crispy" stick help? For some reason it feels like I'm messing up my KBD consistency due to having an loose stick. I've been us ing the same one since MvC3 which is over a decade at this point. Oh and do you also recommend buying a korean stick or sticking with the usual Sanwa stuff good enough?
For anyone wondering, I messed up my KBD after changing my lever to a newer Sanwa. It doesn't give me the "free" back that my older one does. I don't know if it's because the stick is stiffer or if Sanwa changed the positioning of the internals slightly. Had to actually guide the stick to back. Feels slower but honestly it looks like I became more consistent with it.
@@qweqweqwadcsc Honestly I've replaced my lever months ago to find the answer to this question. It was worse. Had to actually modify it a bit to be able to do a KBD the way most people usually do it. Now it's actually better than the old one and no random directional movements caused by a really old stick
Have you used a JLF lever before if so how would you compare it to a Korean lever like you have. Also what stiffness would you suggest with the ring thing. I see they have a ton of options. I've been wanting to change my.lever out for Korean lever for a while now
The JLF is a classic Japanese lever but it feels really loose and most likely needs all kinds of modding before it maybe feels right. For a Japanese stick i recommend a Seimitsu LSX-Nobi Pro. It comes with a bat top hybrid but i think it's even better with a ball top. It's really easy to use because the shaft doesn't rotate and it has an amazing pivot that allows it to have a short throw but being incredibly accurate to use at the same time. It also has my favorite gate of all time. It's closer to a square than an octagon, so it still feels like a square gate but the diagonals are a bit closer for fast blocking.
@@epicon6 Honestly I would recommend a Korean lever especially for tekken since you can utilize more of your fingers for more accurate inputs and have a more snappy return to neutral then a JLF. At least in my opinion👍🏽
When I first started learning stick I used JLF. I prefer Korean lever for Tekken now. The quick snap to neutral and smooth quarter circle motions really helps (circle gate). I recommended it for you to try it out!
As far as I know this is the only way to do it. Satisfying to perform as it really just takes practice, it's difficult for me to do quickly in Match under pressure. I normally play a backsway character and it helps that you backsway when your inputs are messy so you know when you mess up. Hard for me on a dpad, but I just need more practice. Good luck to anyone trying to learn!
What no one is telling you is that when you "let go to neutral after DB", you have to let go of the D direction before the B direction is released. Otherwise it will not register the B direction. People who finally learn by trial and error start doing that without knowing it and then they will pass on incorrect information telling others to let go to neutral from DB. If you watch this video you can clearly see he is letting go of the stick by sliding it along the B direction but the written directions read "letting go from DB to N will register as B direction when it's not true. You can test it by letting go from DB and you'll see that nothing will register, if you let go the D direction first you will get the B input. Knowing this your backdash will come out every single time even for people trying it for the first time and no matter if it's a controller, joystick or a hitbox or a keyboard. Then it's just a question of repetition to increase the speed.
@@epicon6 I'll take RyzingSol's words to be true... his command history shows what accurate inputs look like... the precision and quickness of the input is the hard part. Anyone can KBD once - it's the smooth combination of many precise KBDs in quick succession that is most difficult I'd imagine. And the game registers inputs differently based on character state
@@1blueeye His command history is showing he is not letting go to neutral after ↙️ but the written description is saying he is. Most KBD tutorials are telling to let go to neutral from DB but in every single case they are letting go of D before B because otherwise they won't get the B input or a KBD.
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‘Okay let’s try slowly’
Me: ⬅️↙️⬅️
‘Ok good speed up a little bit!’
Me: ⬅️⬇️↙️⬅️⬇️⬅️⬅️⬇️↖️↙️
Perfect tutorial. No pointless talking and no convoluted over-explaining. Just a simple footage with notations.
Okay this is great, because I've ready guides on how to KBD on a hitbox (which is obviously super easy), but the part that I've never understood is the timing. Like I can input back, down+back, back, neutral as fast as I want. I think this is a fantastic tutorial. Keep the crouch short and the dash long, that's what I needed to know.
I appreciate it El Burrito! I'm glad I was able to help. 👍
Informative, I cant get the rhythm quite as well as you demonstrated. Hope you'll make more movement based tutorials
I always have trouble with kbd for characters that have a backsway, glad you made a video on it man. Good stuff
Thank you! Yea. KBD with back sway chars can be challenging.
This was immensely helpful to someone who has nutty p1 kbd and no p2 kbd whatsoever. Maybe I can try stick earnestly now lmao.
You can do it! 👍
Didn't know about the free back input! Thanks!
ryzing sol always with the bangers❤️
❤
Perfect inputs
KBD (dpad) tips next 😁
That the best guide for backdash to back sway characters.
0:20 that is incorrect. The game will not register letting go of the stick from ↙️ to neutral as a ⬅️ direction.
You have to let ⬇️ go before ⬅️ direction for it to register ⬅️. You are doing it without realizing it because your motion is sliding along the left side which is how the ⬅️ direction registers when the ⬇️ is no longer pressed down.
If you would let go from ↙️ directly into neutral without sliding the stick to the left it wouldn't register it as direction at all.
That is why the backdash seems like a mysterious thing to so many because everyone is guiding to let go to neutral when they aren't letting go to neutral themselves but in fact letting go to neutral along the left side.
Noted. Thanks for your input.
@@RyzingSol Thanks. I didn't want to sound negative in any way. It's just something i've noticed and i've been wondering why it's not mentioned in almost any KBD tutorials.
Could you do a demonstration on how to move in random directions rapidly? Like when both people are in neutral?
Only works with sticks due to the spring rebounding a second input.
The best BDC tutorial I ever seen. I learned it many years ago, but i wasted too many time to understand timing. With such a tutorial I coulnd learn it much easier! Great job and very nice content!
I wanna get a stick so bad, and when I do, I’ll definitely be rewatching this!!! Thank you so much!
Also, nice hands c:
Thanks Meddino! 😊 I hope you get your first stick soon!
Get it bro beginner ones are going for cheap rn
You can still kick ass with a normal joystick controller I reached tekken god in 7 different characters all with a joystick controller so you can do itt
Yeah this is great thank you 🙏🏼
If you press 2 buttons only back and down but very fast still gonna work?
when i do d,db release i dont get the free b its just a neutral input. and doing b,db,b then release doesnt do it either. 0:23 it looks like you are just letting go after db and getting it everytime and idk what im doing differently than you :(
Korean Backdash on Tekken 8...
⏳⏳🔥🔥verry soon
i was not able to understand on qanba , thankyou
I have the Mayflash F300 and there's no free back input whenever I let go of the stick from d+b position. Sad.
Great video, can you make a video about how to make crouch cancel and micro dashes with 1?
Micro dashing to me is simple when you learn you can buffer the first forward input during move recoveries, so it's not so much speed (that helps) but timing. Good practice for me is play Bryan in training turn CH on and practice magic 4 CH combos against a small character. Just requires 1 small dash jab but helps give a feel for the timing.
I can't consistently get my lever to register the free back input after letting go, I'm using a Hori RAP 4, any idea why? Most of the time I'm just getting a neutral, others I'm getting a forward
I have the same stick but I modded out my hayabusa lever for a golden Fanta korean lever. Japanese ball tops are overall harder to use when it comes to diagonals because of the looser, slower, return to neutral and the square gate. Definitely recommend Korean lever.
@@mindspacegaming Thanks for the tip! I actually finished a small series of mods just recently, bought an octagonal gate but didn't do enough research and got the wrong kind 😓 is the entire lever complicated to replace as a beginner?
Edit: Oof is there also a cheaper alternative to that fanta lever?
@@EthelonYT You can try the crown 309 mj, perfect beginner Korean lever and no it isn’t difficult at all.
Just in time!
Thanks
great guide, one of the best on KBD so far i guess. But one thing, the step from no. 2 to no. 3, is there nothing in between? is it only the rythm? or...? yeah... i'm having trouble to convert the no. 2 practice into movement in no. 3....
A common mistake is corrected in this video. You don't need the extra back input after db because when you let go of the stick after db it automatically registers a back
@@addydiesel6627 i have been trying this but i dont get it to work with my stick.... (Dragon Slay Arcade stick with sanwa denshi)
@@nihilon_travels295 what if you input DB and let go suddenly (neutral). Try it with pad also. If it only works pad then wiring of stick is unusual
@@addydiesel6627 i have the stick directly connected to the PC. If i move the stick from d/b a bit in the b Direction and let go it gets the input, but from d/b very rarely, i guess only by mistake because i moved a bit into b direction
Do you guide the stick back to neutral or let go? If I let go I sometimes get unwanted inputs
You should be able to just let it go. Your lever might be to loose. On my old lever I'd let go of down and I'd get an up input. I got the Sanwa JLF lever and it works perfectly
@@koalanub1406 Do I need to buy a new Lever or can I fix my current one? Thanks for the reply
Hey Sol! Big thanks for the video!
I only have one question: Sometimes when I let go of the stick (as mentioned in 0:19) after the DB, I don't get a free B, and instead I just get B,DB.
Any advice as to what I'm doing wrong? Thanks!
You might not be doing anything wrong. Try to double check by slowly not touching the gate, basically doing the downback just the first millimeter it triggers and then releasing to neutral. If you don't get a "free" back no matter what you do, it might have something to do with your lever.
I used to be able to this "free" back method but after changing to a new Sanwa, lever this does not work anymore. I'm 100% sure it's the lever because I've been doing KBDs for years the same way and I know how the "free" back feels in my hand. Maybe it's because this new one is stiffer or maybe the positioning of the internals slightly changed. Now I have to manually guide the stick to back before going to neutral. Much more consistent method IMO but it does feel more tiring.
@@math001 I had the same problem and this answer helped me a lot. Thank you.
Very useful video. +1
I don't know if its my stick but sometimes when I let go a down back it doesn't give me another back input. Any reasons why??
Ryzing what stick do you use?
Qanba obsidian (pearl), i think
Qanba Pearl. The joystick is the original Knee Lever.
Yup.
@@RyzingSol thank you
I see. It's what we call in Japanese "Yamaste(山ステ)".
Does having a new "crispy" stick help? For some reason it feels like I'm messing up my KBD consistency due to having an loose stick. I've been us ing the same one since MvC3 which is over a decade at this point. Oh and do you also recommend buying a korean stick or sticking with the usual Sanwa stuff good enough?
For anyone wondering, I messed up my KBD after changing my lever to a newer Sanwa. It doesn't give me the "free" back that my older one does. I don't know if it's because the stick is stiffer or if Sanwa changed the positioning of the internals slightly. Had to actually guide the stick to back. Feels slower but honestly it looks like I became more consistent with it.
@@math001 Most of your questions can be answered with just your preference or practice more, as for the loose stick, just replace your lever lmao
@@qweqweqwadcsc Honestly I've replaced my lever months ago to find the answer to this question. It was worse. Had to actually modify it a bit to be able to do a KBD the way most people usually do it. Now it's actually better than the old one and no random directional movements caused by a really old stick
Have you used a JLF lever before if so how would you compare it to a Korean lever like you have. Also what stiffness would you suggest with the ring thing. I see they have a ton of options.
I've been wanting to change my.lever out for Korean lever for a while now
The JLF is a classic Japanese lever but it feels really loose and most likely needs all kinds of modding before it maybe feels right.
For a Japanese stick i recommend a Seimitsu LSX-Nobi Pro. It comes with a bat top hybrid but i think it's even better with a ball top.
It's really easy to use because the shaft doesn't rotate and it has an amazing pivot that allows it to have a short throw but being incredibly accurate to use at the same time. It also has my favorite gate of all time. It's closer to a square than an octagon, so it still feels like a square gate but the diagonals are a bit closer for fast blocking.
@@epicon6 Honestly I would recommend a Korean lever especially for tekken since you can utilize more of your fingers for more accurate inputs and have a more snappy return to neutral then a JLF. At least in my opinion👍🏽
When I first started learning stick I used JLF. I prefer Korean lever for Tekken now. The quick snap to neutral and smooth quarter circle motions really helps (circle gate). I recommended it for you to try it out!
Can you do one on dash jabs? Some of the highest damage combos you do on your combo vids have them and i can't seem to get the timing down
For my dash jabs, I like to tap forward twice very quickly then go into neutral, then a 1 jab. (f, f, N, 1). I can probably make something.
What arcade stick do you use
As far as I know this is the only way to do it. Satisfying to perform as it really just takes practice, it's difficult for me to do quickly in Match under pressure. I normally play a backsway character and it helps that you backsway when your inputs are messy so you know when you mess up. Hard for me on a dpad, but I just need more practice. Good luck to anyone trying to learn!
What no one is telling you is that when you "let go to neutral after DB", you have to let go of the D direction before the B direction is released. Otherwise it will not register the B direction.
People who finally learn by trial and error start doing that without knowing it and then they will pass on incorrect information telling others to let go to neutral from DB.
If you watch this video you can clearly see he is letting go of the stick by sliding it along the B direction but the written directions read "letting go from DB to N will register as B direction when it's not true.
You can test it by letting go from DB and you'll see that nothing will register, if you let go the D direction first you will get the B input.
Knowing this your backdash will come out every single time even for people trying it for the first time and no matter if it's a controller, joystick or a hitbox or a keyboard. Then it's just a question of repetition to increase the speed.
@@epicon6 I'll take RyzingSol's words to be true... his command history shows what accurate inputs look like... the precision and quickness of the input is the hard part. Anyone can KBD once - it's the smooth combination of many precise KBDs in quick succession that is most difficult I'd imagine. And the game registers inputs differently based on character state
@@1blueeye His command history is showing he is not letting go to neutral after ↙️ but the written description is saying he is. Most KBD tutorials are telling to let go to neutral from DB but in every single case they are letting go of D before B because otherwise they won't get the B input or a KBD.
yes and on controller??
What lever are you using?
What if I use the D-Pad?
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damn guess i have wrong stick cuz this doesnt work
im a big guy but my fingers are short so i cant hold the ball right, your hands are pretty big maybe you can do it easier than most of us
Bat top might help you
How to do it on D-Pad?
It's nearly impossible
Nope i have done it. It just takes Practice
@@mh--jz8rv
KBD keyboard pls...
what lever is that?
Knee Lever
Bro I play on pad
on pad??