Toronto schools plan to remain closed for duration of CUPE strike | The Social
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2022
- Parents were left scrambling Wednesday evening as tensions between school workers and government rises.
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this is a good discussion. well done!
Thank u,thank u,thank u! 100% right on ladies
This is why I can't understand why people keep voting the Ford government in.🤷🏽♀️
most educational workers should be making 40 dollars an hour.
I started a response to a viewer going on about teachers then decided to make my retort stand alone. It amazes me how people always go on about teachers and their wages. This strike is regarding education SUPPORT workers within the CUPE union. These are EAs (education assistants - the ones who deal with children of varying special needs - physically, developmentally, behaviourally so they can be in school), DECEs (designated early child educators - who are a necessary support for kindergarten teachers now that the government crams over 30 little ones in the classroom), Librarian Techs, IIT Techs, Custodians, Office Administrators (the glue of any school) and Maintenance/Facilities Personel. By the way, many of these people are not given full-time hours. Some, such as EAs and DECEs are expected to prepare for students without the prep time given to teachers. Prep time was on the negotiation table - adamantly shot down by Lecce. CUPE reached out to the Minister of Education 5 months ago to start negotiating contracts. This is all on Ford and Lecce. At the time that I saw this clip from Social Bill 28 - Keep Kids In School Act containing the Not With Standing clause had already been passed. Aren't you the least bit curious how Bill 28 was so quickly available and hastily passed through. Bills never get passed quickly. This is Ford attempting to cripple unions which he utterly disdains. This is how autocrats always work - start with the least/most vulnerable saturated in propaganda so the unknowing, good people like yourself, buys into it. By the time the Autocrat gets to their ultimate goal of power and control they've done great damage and everyone becomes trapped. A lot of Trumpism going on these days.
Lack of ft hours and larger classroom sizes are mostly due to union demands making staff more expensive!!! These people are NOT vulnerable, they can leave if they don't like the pay. You talk about the government's behavior but If holding people's future hostage till you get your own way is not a power trip, I don't know what is. Unions are out of control, they drive up inflation and taxes, while fostering a culture of greed and entitlement. 2.5 yearly raises is more than fair, anything more than that is GREED plain and simple!!1
You talk to much.
No differences . Schools close
So well said!...everything I was thinking and more! Love it! For my mom a teachers assistant who had to retire early because she couldn't, and wouldn't do it anymore. She even had to move 5 hours away from toronto just to retire. This way she could afford and be able to enjoy her retirement!
You know who else is included in this group that makes $39000 per year, the thankless job of health care workers! The same healthcare workers that worked endlessly through a pandemic and are still trying to get through without adequate staffing and fair wages but also facing abuse of the general public, like we asked for a pandemic! The rise of inflation is taking a toll on a lot of people in Canada who are trying to make ends meet and I totally stand by and support teachers who are also doing a thankless job and do not get paid what they are worth.
Thank you for your support. Ford and his ministers are the ones who have placed Ontario in a health and education crisis. Ford tramps on everything sacred including protected green space he has just given away. He is all about the almighty dollar. Human rights be damned. Ford has only animosity toward unions and would do a jolly jig if he could trample them all down. I was aghast at what they pulled on health care providers during the pandemic. You all are our unsung heros. Ford and Lecce where reaponsible for all the times the schools closed during the pandemic but Lecce is making it sound like it was educators. Bolder dash! At the last contract Ford pushed thru a bill then, too, capping the wage increase of public employees at 1%. It's amazing how there is money in the coffers for all the MPPs to vote themselves a nice big raise. I think it was 10% which amounts to $16,000.00 per person. What gets to me regarding this round of negotiations is that Ford never intended to negotiate. Using the notwithstanding clause shows just how undemocratic Ford is. This strike is beyond just wages now. It's about human rights and democracy.
Exactly right !
We just had an election, with so many school employees and hospital employees how did Ford get back in??
Only 43% of eligible voters actually voted in the June election. Ford was backed by many of the construction unions who are greatly benefiting from all of the infrastructure building Mr. Ford is doing. A lot of school and hospital employees likely voted for him as well even though their unions may not have endorsed him.
@@joeraptor1 nope, most school and health care workers didn't vote for him. Especially not nurses, they hate Ford. But you're right, he benefitted from the low voter turnout, especially in the 905 regions... that's who voted him back in. Sadly.
Nobody voted
People didn't vote that's why. They couldn't be bothered to vote and now here we are in this mess. With a government who got a majority thanks to a very small number of voters who turned up to vote for them. The rest were watching tv at home I guess. And now they are complaining about their kids not being in school. I would tell them to shut up and vote next time.
@@joeraptor1 I don't believe nurses and teachers voted for Doug Ford. Especially after being capped at 1% by his government for 3 years. Like you said though, this is due to the lowest turnout of voters in the province since a long time.
Custodians too....HELLO0o0o0o0
Thank you for making this part of your discussion.
That daycare is probably giving his youngest son a great education/getting him ready for school.
Well said. Wages of cupe employees are a disgrace.
Yes who would want to put food on the table
The Ontario gov. Has an opportunity to be a hero and just pay the workers an extra $10,000 a year. Nice to see The Social speaking up for the workers
You want to pay more in taxes?
@@Dankles69 No, the government has a surplus.
@@carriefox1146 Surplus? That money can go back to tax payers... The Surplus only exists due to over taxation. Take the 2.5% and go back to work. It's that simple. They chose to work for the public and the public has the right for their tax dollars to be taken care of. Welcome to socialism this is what it does.
@@Dankles69 No, I'm happy to see my taxes support public education.
@@carriefox1146 So do I in a perfect world but we have teachers who take up majority of the education funds. 11% increases is extremely unrealistic and 2.5% is reasonable.
I’m custodian and even making 50k I don’t qualify for a room apt in Toronto my salary is low . And now I’m looking for basement apt is over 1500 plus gas plus insurance no cable no Netflix in tide I’m no complaining I just saying .
Ford &Lecce need to give their heads a shake !
Well said ladies.
Please, CUPE represents Supporting staff in school, secretaries, janitors, maintenance, librarians, ECE, Educational Assistants, ..the teachers are different bargaining unions, that.. my friends is next, they represent elementary, secondary, French boards, unions represent close to 100,000 people, then the sleeping giant is going to roar
He’s in the actor’s union 😂
He is an idio-*
Can we stop with the stupid clapping , it’s bad enough it’s in the House of Commons every 30 seconds
More money it never ends other worker earning less work for they know they arr essential do not go strike
The man just said $39,000 is not enough to live. I work full time at McDonald’s and make $29,000 after taxes per year. Where’s my raise? Where’s my living wage? Perhaps we need to broaden the conversation beyond what CUPE workers are making to what everyone else is and set some standards.
Thing is you aren't working in an essential service. Making food and caring for someone's child is not exactly the same thing is it? You're comparing apples and tomatoes. They're both jobs but anyone can work at McDonald's not everyone is qualified to care for 25+kids per day or children with disabilities.
@@cc-ij7cr well you can debate what is considered an essential service in a time of crisis but do you have any idea what would happen if you didn’t have food service workers making your meals and servicing customers? Very hungry and pissed off people. Everyone eats and everyone needs to eat. Less and less people cook everyday and depend on restaurants to be open and quick to serve. And no not everyone can work or keep up in the food service industry it’s not for everyone and I’ve worked with plenty of people who simply can’t do the job.
There are a few factors here. 1) high school students can work at McDonald’s- you don’t need post secondary education. It is unskilled labour.
@@Joe-by8jh they cannot do it legally in an education setting though. While if you are 16 or 18 you can work in a fast food chain legally. Plus you don't need a diploma or certificate to work at MacDonald. While an ece is required to. Making it a skilled job.
@@missb5771 so is a custodian, receptionist and some administrative support. They all make average or above average wages for what they do, with excellent benefits, and the other support staff, are already paid according to their qualifications. Many of us have to live on a lot less without the so called "right" to sit on our asses till we get our own way.
Get back to work. If you think pay isn't good then look for another job. That is what we all do. Strike does not help us.
Powerful unions with union dues flowing in...vs charter schools
Maybe government gives 100 percent then teachers would never go on strike not happening correct Mr premier
I only know parents and children are suffering now !!!
The eces make less then 30 an hour it’s pathetic how do they live with that! They don’t they suffer
Most actually make less than 25. 30 would be great 👌
2017 and 2019 were 0.5%
One can totally live on 39000$/yr. Not everyone lives in The Center of the Universe (i.e. Toronto)!! lol
I’m sorry, not being educated right now? Your son in a daycare is being educated every day by his educators (that’s what we are called thank you)
Yes! Totally agree. What a ridiculous thing for him to say
Totally ignorant thing he said.
Well said Cassandra.
You can thank socialism for this problem... I wonder where all this money is going to come from? 11% for the next 4 years is a joke. You can thank a teacher for eating all education funds... Healthcare deserves the money money. That surplus means we are over taxed... I rather pay less taxes. These unions do not care about tax payers.
So very sad that Miguel doesn’t recognize his youngest child being in daycare means he’s not being educated.
While I appreciate his support of Unions he also needs to support all forms of education.
He said that he recognizes he's not being educated. He said "relatively" shielded.
Just privatize the staff , ie janitors , some school staff ,etc .
No more strikes and save ton of money to put towards school resources, etc
Quality of education will be abysmal and the economy will suffer egregiously because of it. That would be taking this province to hell in a hand basket.
@@eaglefreedom5361 Incorrect. If we had a market based economy, you would see the quality of education and healthcare increase. Why isn't Ontario pumping out students who are making new medical discoveries/scientific discoveries like the US? I'll answer - because even as we increase education salaries, they are NOT producing more educated students. Their salary should be tied to performance.
You wouldn't do this job for minimum wage, which is what I hope you make.
Make them an essential service and make it permanently illegal to strike. Public sector jobs are all about taking as much from tax payers as you can given as little back as you can. Many countries have laws that no public service job can be unionized. Time to do that here too.
@@eaglefreedom5361 tell me again what % the kids are passing the basic literacy and math tests. We already have a crappy education system.
TDSB does not care about the kids.
Ok so why are government workers treated on a pedestal ??? No one cares if your an 2 year community college diploma and BA ECE worker ! ALL women are underpaid no matter what in life in general and the system knows this . The men aren’t getting any better when they leave a mother and children behind and play the mental card as a life line for themselves . Women are super underrated we still live like the 1900s the rules , daycare, policies , zero work life balance preferably for women and lack of raises and discrimination with zero competency in changing laws and social policies and zero support in workplaces only to still be treated like an 18 year old at work . As women age and have children and lack of flexibility and as women living in ONLY a patriarchal economy and system that’s built upon them nothing really helps us except to remain like a single bachelor and stay away from being a real family instead now the new trend for women is be DINKS which is “dual income no kids” life so throw ur embryos and reproductive systems and hormones to have kids and deliver in the garbage is what Canada is built upon. Zero respect all these years towards Blacks, Indigenous. Ignoring key issues and main facts in and around women and there health and well being and lack of dwellings to live in or options and areas to move to be safe and have enough employment is slacking heavily. Why does Canada act like USA as if we deal with way more populations and we sure as heck for a small nation with lots of green space and restricting Northern Ontario if resources , funding etc where women would most likely go to due to affordability etc and major lifestyle changes to make things work is not working in Canada. Is this Government pretending ? Women in Scandinavian and some European countries are way more happier no matter what happens compared to North America. Why are we not learning anything from them. Employment opportunities with higher income is just not an option for the many women we are still eating Ketchup (playing catch-up) 🤦🏽♀️ . What do they expect women to do? With such limited understanding and tuition fees rising ? And we are always displayed as caregivers . The nursing sector proves it as an example and the teaching sector . Feminine dominated fields. Poor us.
1) You shouldn't be talking about a "surplus" if you don't fully understand the full picture of the financial health of the province, including the balance sheet. That surplus is over a 12 month period. The province is sitting in an accumulated 237 billion dollar DEFICIT. Therefore that 2 billion dollar surplus isn't "extra money the province is sitting on." It has to flow to the balance sheet to cover the accumulated debt. We would have to earn 2 billion dollar per year for approximately 118 years to get out of debt.
2) CUPE workers get paid during the strike. In fact, Laura Walton (CUPE President) said they get paid more during a strike.
3) These workers get paid on average $39,000 per year but don't work for 3 months. They collect EI or can get another job. This equates to $28/hour. There would be people lined up to make $28/hour as a secretary, and janitor. I respect these professions but that is a lot of money/hour for those jobs.
4) You should have someone on the panel to present the opposing argument.
5) Cynthia - to say that $3.25 per hour isn't a lot is financially irresponsible. In the private sector, if employees demanded $3.25/hour raise, most companies would go bankrupt. In the public sector such as the government, we just go further into an accumulated DEFICIT. Do you understand the repercussions of this for future generations?
6) I do agree that it is problematic to take away workers rights to strike. It is an unfortunate situation for everyone involved, especially the kids who are our future and haven't been educated for two years and counting.
That’s Doug Ford is trying to sell you. Educated yourself better.
@@mileva3723 which point in particular should I educate myself better on?
So it's workers helping kids in schools fault that their wage can no longer cover the bills?
What world do you live in where you can dictate your own mortgage, rent, power bill, grocery bill, gas prices? Unless you run ExxonMobil, RBC, the power company, and Loblaws you have to pay what they tell you... So if they raise their prices it's not ok for you to ask your employer for a raise to cover those extra costs?
@@mathias8627 Respectfully, I didn't say that they don't deserve a raise. I agree they do deserve one.
Pay to play. If worker shortage you have to pay up. 28/hr is nothing epecially in a city like toronto. Whats the plan her by the people in charge? Keep wages low and cost of livung high so everybody is a slave.
It’s NOT in the Charter….ridiculous.
Action -> Consequence. Canada is a free country with no slavery. If you like don't the pay that you WILLINGLY AGREE TO, quit and find a job you believe matches your worth. If you can't, then your current amount is your potential, and if that's the max earnings you can make, that's not a gov problem, that's a you problem. The REAL story is the chain of poor life decisions from their high school days that led to this moment.
Lol you know nothing twit 😂
Well to be fair to that argument then the Government does have a choice to fire the teachers for not showing up and then hiring new teachers.
However because all the CUPE members accepted 10 years of no pay increase now is their request for an increase.
Come on CYNTHIA an increase of $3 an hour more is plenty!!Some workers get less than $1.00 more an hour as a raise and as for you MR teachers do NOT have to go to Starbucks for their COFFEE!Lousy reason,excuse on your part LOL
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Did you even watch the whole clip? They only got an 8% raise over the past TEN years!! Now they don’t deserve a $3 raise?
Exactly
@@Henan *8% is good enough.Students now have way too many days off are they really being taught WELL!The greed of some unions,fact.
@@salyol7 8% over ten years is 0.8% a year for TEN years! You cannot seriously think that’s enough 😂
I don't think these talking heads were hired for their PhD's in economics...
Agreed. I wish they would have a CPA or economist to assist on the panel.
All of these women refuse to acknowledge the fact that the cupe workers striking only work 35 hours a week - not full time. So many have to take on a second job - which is fair - if you want more money work full time hours!!!
Also, they refuse to acknowledge that a lot of these union members don’t even want to strike but feel pressured into it by the unions themselves. If they go against the union they’re ostracized.
Completely deplorable that an essential service is striking again and using the kids as pawns. Shameful. The public has every right to be outraged.
I love how the guest says “can’t even afford a Starbucks!” What a painfully delusional and out of touch comment. And let me remind this fellow who is part of an “acting” union - not even close to being essential. I don’t even understand how is qualified to speak on this matter lol.
The 11% raise year over year that was tabled is laughable. Wish they would have come with something realistic!! This whole thing is such a joke and sadly, once again, it’s the kids who will suffer the most. Shameful. Very disappointing how one-sided this discussion was. The social needs to do better.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Wow.
35 hours a week is full time, in any civilized country, including Canada.
You’re so out of touch
35 hours is full time... Its also only 5 hours from the standard of 40... I also hope you realize kids are only in school for 30 hours a week
✨I must say as well- I don’t believe it has to with women and more to do with having poor health and poor education leaves people easier to control bc we are so consumed with tryna stay afloat! ✨
Why don't they strike during the summer....oh wait, they can't hold our kids hostage then. Smh. BTW...Starbucks is a luxury, not a necessity...
Food, gas and a roof is becoming a luxury at this point, don’t kid yourself. This government is the most frugal yet and is willing to take away everyone and anyone’s rights to show it.
Striking on off time gets no attention. What they are striking for is very important. People think that janitors don’t deserve more than minimum wage but they are wrong. The janitors keep the schools clean, the education assistant kelps kids in classrooms. If you are working a full work week, you deserve a living wage. And a living wage means that you are not worried about how you will pay rent and feed your kids.
They initiated bargaining processes in july, the government ignored their requests to bargain until october
@@SunshineMom121 Well said!
@@mcdcurtis then ignor striking till summer and spare the children's loss of education that that cupe workers say the value over everything else.....
Parents should just send kids to private school.. let's just get rid of public schools...
yeah right, like in the great and wondrous USA? Where the rich send their kids to the best private schools ... and the middle and lower income folks have to send theirs to the low quality under-funded public schools. See how well that's working out for the state of American education.
@@jdolew if parents want to avoid strikes, private education or home schooling is the only option.
The Government wants to break unions. Our grandparents and parents fought for our rights, now its our turn...
This was lecce plan 2 years ago. Wants private school. If you believe this is the solution you are grossly out of touch with affordability. Private school at a bare minimum is 20k per year. I would guess that less than 20% of Canadian parents could afford that even at a reduced tax bracket
@@cc-ij7cr I do understand that most parents cannot afforded private schools. Parents can hardly afford kids, should they have children, if they cannot provide the best? The changes the Conservatives are proposing are dangerous for Ontario, people still chose not to vote, they accepted the status quo. Now they are complaining about the idiots they left in charge.
@@Sarena88ca So to be clear, are you arguing FOR the shutting down of our public education system? If so, that's not going to happen anytime soon (most Ontarians like our tax-funded system). I fully agree that Ford's trying to break unions.... he seems to be following in the footsteps of Mike Harris, another anti-union and autocratic premier. I also agree we need to step up and fight for our rights, e.g., collective bargaining and the right to withhold labour. If you're arguing for getting rid of public schools, how does that fit with your apparent support for workers' (in this case education workers) rights?
I wish I had the option to strike whenever I felt like. Seems they don’t give a damn about children and parents. The dollar continues to prevail. 😏
Quite the contrary. You must be fine with our kids being skimmed on by the government to line their coffers? I think the children are worth every bit of investment. Make no mistake an investment for workers to live is an investment for our kids to be properly educated in a healthy environment.
These workers are not striking "whenever they feel like".
You're right. They don't give a damn about children and parents. "They" meaning Ford, Lecce and this government. They had one job to do since they were reelected, that's keep the kids in school and "get them caught up in their learning" as the taxpayer-funded multi-million dollar gov't ad campaign promises ad nauseum. So Ford and Lecce... get back to the collective bargaining table and do your job!!
Can't say I've ever seen a poor teacher , most people don't even get that lovely ensign plan!
??? This isn’t a teacher strike? So ignorant
@@missb5771 I know right 😂
Hey it's not about teachers wake up. You hear about this in the news morning and night every day and you still think we are talking about teachers? Please educate yourself before commenting.
Do you mean pension plan? It's not free. Employees pay into it and the local school board employer contributes. Not all pensions are equal either. Besides, this has now gone beyond the issue of wages. It is now a human rights and democracy fight. Ford via Lecce has purposely set this whole situation up. If they were really interested in negotiating it could have been done during the summer. Ford is a millionaire doing his utmost, along with like minded people, to totally do away with the middle class. Have you not noticed how the gap has grown between the upper and lower classes? Economically it is very trying times for everyone except the millionaires.