Tobias Menzies is an exceptional Master of his craft. He was able to play dual roles, of complete polarity, with utter perfection. His emotional range is unbelievable, and a massive contribution to the success of the Outlander franchise. His portrayals of Frank and BJR deserve accolades. Thank you, Tobias Menzies.
@Gian Mar G. Hermosa yes I agree with you in a way. But what I meant is that I feel deeply sorry for Franck because he didn't deserve any of this. But in the meantime in this scene I remember the way Claire loved Jamie and seeing her returning to Franck annoys me. As stated above it's a grey area, I like him and I don't like him.
@@lucilemartin106 I don't dislike him, but if I was him, and seeing how determinated and cold heart was Claire after she came back, pregnant and deeply in love with another man, I surely would let her go, cuz she's not the same person she was before. Frank missed his determination and self love. Doesn't worth it, she didn't even care about his feelings, his story after she vanished, how he fought trying to find her... I hate how Claire mistreated him.
Watching this after 3x3...and while Frank was wrong for cheating on Claire and choosing to stay even after she offered him a divorce once, don’t forget how he once wanted to love her and stay with her after she told him about her pregnancy . He fought for her too, but her love for Jamie was too passionate and incomparable to her 1st marriage. They were both victims of their circumstances and it changed them deeply. And on Claire’s side, she still loved Frank in her own way, wearing both wedding rings and appreciated him for being a good father, even if he wasn’t a good husband in their later years. The shades of grey between the characters and their relationships are amazingly highlighted in the show. While I love Jamie and Claire together, I do have a soft spot for Claire and Frank and I truly believe they would have loved each other faithfully if Claire never time traveled.
@@mariadelpilardominguez4605 Dice que no estuvo bien que frank engañar a a Claire y deseara estar a su lada después de que ella le ofreció el divorcio. Sin embargo, es importante no olvidar que él quería estar con ella incluso cuando le dijo que ella estaba embarazada y enamorada de Jamie. Él también peleó por ella pero Claire amaba mucho más a Jamie, ella seguía amando a frank pero no como a Jamie, no estaba enamorada de él. En su relación hay muchos tonos de grises que mostraron muy bien en la serie. Luego dice que personalmente le gusta ver a Jamie y Claire juntos, pero que ella tenía una pequeña debilidad por Claire y Frank, y realmente cree que ellos se hubieran seguido amando fielmente si ella no hubiera viajado por el tiempo
@@mimyeko894 yes!! They loved each other but like a really best friend, and with time they confused that love so they belive they were actually in a deep love from an amazing romance... Till Claire meets the real romantic love xd
in the books.... I do not know. In the series, he was not the bad guy. He was simply a good and loving person. A man who's hart was broken over and over again. You can love the Claire and Jamy story, but you must feel sorry for Frank
To be honest, it was a complicated and messed up situation for all three of them. Jamie sent Claire thorugh the stones, fully expecting to die and never seeing her or their baby again. He lost the love of his live for 20 years and missed out on everything with Brianna. Claire lost the love of her life for 20 years and could never talk about him to the one piece of him she had left. Plus as much as she might or might not have tried to love Frank again the way she used to their relationship just couldn't compare to what she found with Jamie. That's not exactly her fault and she did offer him a divorce. Frank lost his wife for three years and when she came back, she was deeply in love with someone else and pregnant with his child. As much as he loved Brianna, she was a constant reminder of that for him as much as for Claire. I feel bad for all three of them.
@@SjofnBM1989 bruh, I was talking about the characterization of Frank and Jack. They can be played by the same actor but be totally different from each other. I said I like that 'cause, even so, you can still see a glimpse of Jack in Frank and viceversa
@@Paulasantos. i think you (or maybe I'm the only one😆) can see it in Jack's eloquence, especially at the beginning, when Claire is still not aware of his troubled (at least) behavior. Idk, maybe it's just me ahaha
@@irenecaptain5832 Well, even in his eloquence he was evil, maybe in his relationship with his brother Alex...he was the only person he treat with kindness, but beat him when he died... Can you imagine Black Jack accepting his wife back after desappering for three years and pregnant with another man's child?!!!! What would he do?!!
I cannot feel sorry for him. In the books, he tried to remove Jamie's ring, he tried to punch her and was also a racist. Claire once offered him the divorce but he refused. Not to mention, he knew Jamie didn't die at Culloden and never told her even when he had a lot of women on his back (which I deeply don't care since that wasn't even a marriage at all). And for the ones who don't know, when he found out jamie was alive, he told the reverend to put a fake grave for Jamie in case Brianna or Claire once found out.... bye bye
he was very much so the "if i can't have you, no one can" type. i'm slightly more sympathetic to show frank, but..what a terrible situation for everyone
I haven't read the books, but your information intensifies my dislike of Frank, a man of his era who is always very much about Frank and his own feelings. This is evident in the way that he proposes marriage on the spot, tries to get Claire's orders to the Western Front changed, and continuously makes decisions for her throughout the series. Event he so called second honeymoon is all bout his interests and relationship with a fellow historian with a little tail and sight-seeing on the side. He is not attending to her or their relationship at all. Now that she's 5 years older and has lived the trauma of war, the dashing person she first fell in love with is starting to show who he really is. When she wishes to become an American citizen he doesn't even discuss it, but dismisses it as his documentation as a Brit is enough for her status. It goes on and on. Even though he cannot control Claire, but he does make sure that his relationship with Brianna supersedes hers. He controls that and Candy/Sandy has the nerve to tell Claire that she was selfish not to let Frank go when she had in fact wanted to stop the pretense. So ironic. Jamie, on the other hand, thinks about Claire, discusses issues with her, makes room for her gifts and opinions. He values her intelligence and sensitivity. He learns from her and he teaches her with a beautiful reciprocity. Most of all, he cherishes her. Personally, I would have preferred that Jack and Frank were not played by the same actor. He wants Claire to open her eyes when having sex. But how could she do that and see the face of the man who abused her and broke her beloved Jamie? If their flawed relationship isn't already enough to suffer, she has to see Jack Randall every time she looks at his face. That little detail is one she never told Frank along with everything she had to suppress.
@@lynda.grace.14 common you sadist these are just very small facts every normal non psychotic husband is like this only practically all are like this in reality but you you know how much he love her I know Claire had no choice in 1700's but common in any way it was not Frank's doings clearly after coming back should show some respect towards him how he was sad after she was gone and you don't think she deserved a punch common he controlled his anger than also what if your wife told you impregnent by someone If a husband have done this wife would try to attack him it's basic instinct
The difference why Claire no longer loved Frank after this was HE DIDN''T BELIEVE HER TIME TRAVEL while Jaime did. You simply cannot bond with someone who thinks you are either crazy or lying.
@@karenpedersen9688 That's true. I think she used Frank for her own benefit. That's wrong and mean (but also he let himself be used). In this conversation she didn't apologized once for making Frank feel so bad and hurting him, he didn't deserved her cold heart, if she didn't want to get back with Frank then tell him and go away, I don't know why she even accepts him again, she has to be intelligent an be open to Frank and sweet if she was considering to actually get back to him again.
It’s Frank that wanted the marriage to work. She was ready to leave and not be with him. It was Frank that persuaded her to stay with the help of Mrs Graham. She made a promise to Jamie and she had Brianna to think about.. Being a pregnant woman in 1948 with no money and no means to support herself. Women were expected to be housewives after the war. Lets not pretend Frank didn’t know that Claire had very little options. Now had she not been pregnant no doubt she would have left Frank. It was Frank that wanted to take her back. That wanted to make it work. For Brianna’s sake she tried for the first 3 years after Brianna’s birth.. But it didn’t work. She just didn’t love him. The more independent Claire got the more Frank feared her leaving him.. It was Claire that asked for the divorce and later found out that Frank planned to take Brianna from her. If anyone had grounds for divorce it was Claire. Franks many affairs with students. Something she was quick to remind him of.. They stayed together for the sake of both of their careers. It was mutually beneficial for them both at that time.
regardless of the reality of the scene and the character's background, I find this scene to be absolutely beautiful and that's thanks to their acting. they are absolutely amazing at what they do.
I know it's a 'sign of the timrs' as it were but it's so cruel how it's was just presumed Claire was the one responsible for not being able to have a baby meanwhile it was Frank's swimmers were what was the issue.
Claire couldn't bring herself up to look at him as her husband Frank. His face haunted her with the nightmare of Black Jack Randall and what he did to her husband Jamie. Really feel bad for Frank though 💔
I feel for Frank! He deserved to be happy, I don't know why he chose to stay with Claire even after she wanted to divorce. I don't blame her at all, she moved on with her life because she didn't know if she's going to return or not. But I think their relationship was doomed from the start. When we first met them, Claire was away during the war attending to wounded soldiers, she endured a lot and as it was shown later she suffered from PTSD. She and Frank were separated for some time and it's obvious that the war changed them both, they may have loved each other but you can see that the "spark" wasn't there.
I feel sorry for Feank, he did nothing wrong up to this point and just suffered, missed and feared for Claire. But here he should have understand that she did not love him like before anymore, and that they could not just forget that these 2 years happened. He should have let both of them move on. Even though it was of course kind of chivalrous to not let a pregnant woman be all by herself, she clearly did not want to be in a fake marriage with him. He could have just supported he with money if that was so important to him.
@@luciadilazzaro2285 Well, but she wasn't his, and Brianna was also robbed of a father that loved her !!!, i'm not saying that Frank didn't loved her, but, she had a right to know who Jamie was !
@@giuliapicchiotti I agree that they should have told her about her father. Jamie would have loved on his baby girl so much. He was so full of pride being able to help raise Will for a time. I'm still sad he didn't get to raise Bree.
When there is no love left in relationship ... No point to sticking & make both life's worse .. better to leave .. once it's gone it won't return no matter how u try ..
Tobias Menzies is so great in Outlander, both as Frank and Black Jack! I believed him everything he served there! Amazing. I like Frank's character so much, and feel so sorry for him. :(
I've become an earnest fan of *Outlander* fairly recently and got smitten by all these marvelous actors - Caitriona, Sam, Tobias, and many more - and their magical presentation onscreen. I had actually bought the first book of the series years ago but didn't even open the book(due to my hoarding habit of good books🧐). These days on my commute, I'm happily devouring the stories, haha. Since English is not my first language, being Korean and because of all those wee bonny Scottish Gaelic, it is not a fast page-turner but still very much enticing! :) With all the gorgeous series written by Diana Gabaldon, I think I can happily go through Droughtlander, haha.
I genuinely think that, with more effort from Claire's side, she and Frank could have found their way back to happiness. But it probably would have involved a lot of heart-to-heart moments, and mutual growth, that I'm not sure they (or other 1940s couples) would have been able to do. Frank is not Black Jack Randall. And he was a good father to Brianna - excellent, even.
I really love his character in the show and I feel so sorry for him. But I don't like the book-Frank, cuz he was just ... argh. In _my_ opinion Outlander is the only book I've ever read, whose film adaption is better.
In my opinion at the beginning I felt hurt for Frank even though it wasn't necessarily Claire's fault it's not like she didn't try to get back to him at first but you can't control who fall in love with. And then Frank knowing Jamie was alive and that Claire was going back to him and he said nth just irritates me. If you look closely Frank was very revengeful when he asked for a divorce he made it a point of saying how much Bree reminded Claire of Jamie implying that taking her away would be taking everything she held dear away and leaving her alone kinda like how she left him. Also him not wanting Bree to ever know of Jamie's existence was incredibly vindictive on his part and Jamie to this day has no problem with Claire wearing Franks ring has never expressed n issue with it or even Claire telling him about Frank. Frank however goes out of his way to say he doesn't want her to ever mention him and that first night wanted her to take off his ring which shows the major difference between Frank and Jamie. There's also him being so extremely close to Bree if you look closely on that it was almost like he wanted her to love him more so he could always have her on his side kinda like making Claire have to watch that and see that bond and I thought of this too when he told Brianna about the divorce the second he n Claire were done talking instead of waiting for them to tell her together like most people do
Well u can't blame a man for hating his wife's lover 💀 y"all too much on ur feels for Jamie to put yrseleves in Frank's shoes. Frank was the first husband Jamie was the lover. Jamie has 0 rights to be jealous since he "stole" her. Frank has every right to be jealous & vindictive
Claire here acts cruelly. Loving someone else shouldn't make you completely indifferent to the feeling of a person you cared about. It's like she punishing him for being back there. And it's not his fault
Such a complex grey character. That's not a good life to live for anyone... To not be loved by your wife even after waiting for her for 3 years. Trapped in a loveless marriage...
Frank 💔 what a miserable end he had. He deserved much better. I would have been content if he was shown to have moved on happily to a new wife he loved just as much if not more than Claire. Unfortunately he lost at every turn and that makes me not root for Jaime or/and Claire.
Tobias is just incredibly talented. To this day I cannot think of a villain that makes me more nauseous than Black Jack Randall. I thought I wouldn’t be able to feel compassion for Frank seeing Black Jacks face but Tobias literally transforms into another person and one can’t help but feel sad for Frank.
Black jack Randall appeared for a moment with claire...Diana Gabaldon needs recognition for this written peice. And for the producers/ director to get it right...This would have been a true story during and after Colonisation..
I believe the reason things would never go back for Claire and Frank, is the trauma past Randall left in her. The trauma I suspect makes it difficult for her. Worse in this scene he kinda tapped into that energy too, he’s definitely a Randall descendant
Frank didn't deserve this. Wasn't Claire's fault...but he was a victime... Accept her back was his great mistake and the cause of his misery... What man would accept his wife back in those conditions?!
I disagree it was not her fault, he had a chance to go back to her time, and she consciously decided to stay with jamie, who she had known for only six months. I don't care how in love she was, she was aware that she had vanished from her own time and left people there wondering what happened to them, thinking her kidnapped or dead and suffering in the not knowing because a corpse would not be found for her loved ones to mourn her and move on. She was aware of this, and decided to stay and play happy house with jamie. And when she comes back she goes and tell that person that has been going mad with worry and grief over her missing for 3 years and tell him she didn't even want to come back because she was happy with the other guy. So no, she is not free of blame, it's not her fault to not live frank anymore, sure, but his suffering because he didn't know what happened to her is. Being in love is not enough to justify what she did or the fact that she refuses to be empathic about what frank suffered and act like the only victim in the situation. Imagine someone you care a lot about, doesn't even have to be romantically, just your best friend or sibling for example, disappears one day. No one knows what happened to them, you spend years between hope of finding them and fear of the worst scenerios of what could have happened to them. And then one day they show up and they tell you they didn't want to come back, they have the means to, but they choose to stay wherr they were and let you suffer over what could have happened to them because they were having a happy time with some hottie they found. If your happiness must come at the expense of letting a loved one who didn't do anything bad to you suffer and live in desperation wondering what could have happened to you, then you are being very egoistical. Something like that can destroy a person's life, when a corpse is not found, the hope that you might still be alive doesn't let your loved ones move on, they get stuck in that state, some people start drinking, suffer depressions, etc, and their whole life gets destroyed by that desperation combined with hope.
@@nessyness5447 I totaly agree with you.. You're absolutely right, she never thougt how much Frank suffered with het desappearance, how desperate he was, how much he loved her, to point of accepting her back in those conditions.. She was allways cold with him... He was a real victime of all that. I understand she was in love ...but Frank deserved better...
@@Paulasantos.i wonder if she would have done the same if her parents or uncle were alive. I mean she was on a vacation, walked out one morning and never came back, her car found abandoned in the middle of a road and all her things still in their hotel room. Anyone would assume the worst.
@@nessyness5447 I believe she would... She was in love, was the love of her life, a real love...she only left Jamie because she was pregnant and after Colluden, they could be both killed, otherwise she would never return to twenty century.
@@Paulasantos. oh of course she would have, it was mostly retorical. She didn't even gave too much thought to leave her college age daughter completely alone to go back to jamie. But that one scene when she could have gone back after the first 6 months and here, these scenes are what made me dislike claire. Someone who would let their family or friends suffer wondering if they are being held captive and tortured somewhere for years because they have the hots for a guy they have known for 6 months is not someone i can respect.
I love stories that overturn tropes. It would be so easy to have Frank be a bad man, so we could all just be relieved that she found Jamie, and then heartbroken for her when she goes back to the awful Frank. But instead, Frank is a decent guy. Maybe not as "hot" as Jamie, but a decent person doing his best to be reasonable, and who really does love her and want to be with her. It adds a level of complexity to the story that I'm really grateful to see!
this is every man who been betrayed a woman he loves. Moral is: trust no woman, and get a prenup. Or at least marry a woman who knows the meaning of honour and respect.
Tobias Menzes es un gran actor; sin embargo en el libro dicen que Frank trata muy mal y es de mal genio con Claire ya desde el principio ( yo no leí el libro) , pero en los comentarios alguien que leyó el libro lo describió así
@@tr1z-cm6yk dude if your wife goes missing for three years and you don't know what happened to her is normal to be incredibly happy to see her alive and well, he was too glad that she was well to realize he should just step away from that situation.
Oh god. Was TB's performance, despite the story, wonderful portrayals by the 2 leads, the pathos and drama the main reason why seasons 1 and 2 were so wonderful and the rest such an anticlimax to the point of boring! It should have ended at Culloden and left us all with broken rather than disappointed hearts.
Exactly!! Finally, someone said the right thing, everyone says poor Frank, (regardless of Tobias' unique acting, which unfortunately was less seen in this series), but Frank's character was an idiot. The writers should not have shown him so weak and awkward
Tobias Menzies is an exceptional Master of his craft. He was able to play dual roles, of complete polarity, with utter perfection. His emotional range is unbelievable, and a massive contribution to the success of the Outlander franchise. His portrayals of Frank and BJR deserve accolades. Thank you, Tobias Menzies.
He is indeed a wonderful actor.
I like him better in this than in GAME of Thrones
I was so confused watching rhe first episode of the second season. He is like a complete different person lmao that was awesome
He frightens the daylights out of me!!
He's also great in the crown.
That split second he thinks the baby is his, always gets me... then the realization... it breaks my heart
It's an astonishing moment and his eyes say everything. Tobias is the greatest
How can he think that, did they have intimacy when she came back?
@@eeeccc3562 Because he loves her so much it blinds him
@@eeeccc3562 oh its immaculate
Repeat after me " Never never stay with someone who doesn't love you. That's a direct path to unhappiness".
Thisss !!!
She didnt say she doesnt love him, she said she felt in love with another.
You can love more than one person
@@zaladaneifyable In the first half of season 3 Claire is making more than clear that she doesn't love Frank at all.
TRUE
@@zaladaneifyable c'mon, she didn't love Frank after being taken by Jamie. I don't blame her either...lol
A part of me feels sorry for him and another is just so sad for Claire that he annoys me
neither were wrong. it's a grey area.
He loved her unconditionally ...not many do that... So..
Same
@Gian Mar G. Hermosa yes I agree with you in a way. But what I meant is that I feel deeply sorry for Franck because he didn't deserve any of this. But in the meantime in this scene I remember the way Claire loved Jamie and seeing her returning to Franck annoys me. As stated above it's a grey area, I like him and I don't like him.
@@lucilemartin106 I don't dislike him, but if I was him, and seeing how determinated and cold heart was Claire after she came back, pregnant and deeply in love with another man, I surely would let her go, cuz she's not the same person she was before. Frank missed his determination and self love. Doesn't worth it, she didn't even care about his feelings, his story after she vanished, how he fought trying to find her... I hate how Claire mistreated him.
Watching this after 3x3...and while Frank was wrong for cheating on Claire and choosing to stay even after she offered him a divorce once, don’t forget how he once wanted to love her and stay with her after she told him about her pregnancy . He fought for her too, but her love for Jamie was too passionate and incomparable to her 1st marriage. They were both victims of their circumstances and it changed them deeply. And on Claire’s side, she still loved Frank in her own way, wearing both wedding rings and appreciated him for being a good father, even if he wasn’t a good husband in their later years. The shades of grey between the characters and their relationships are amazingly highlighted in the show. While I love Jamie and Claire together, I do have a soft spot for Claire and Frank and I truly believe they would have loved each other faithfully if Claire never time traveled.
En español...por favor
He lead an other life because he knew she'll come back to him, when he read that article about them dying together.
@@mariadelpilardominguez4605 Dice que no estuvo bien que frank engañar a a Claire y deseara estar a su lada después de que ella le ofreció el divorcio. Sin embargo, es importante no olvidar que él quería estar con ella incluso cuando le dijo que ella estaba embarazada y enamorada de Jamie. Él también peleó por ella pero Claire amaba mucho más a Jamie, ella seguía amando a frank pero no como a Jamie, no estaba enamorada de él. En su relación hay muchos tonos de grises que mostraron muy bien en la serie. Luego dice que personalmente le gusta ver a Jamie y Claire juntos, pero que ella tenía una pequeña debilidad por Claire y Frank, y realmente cree que ellos se hubieran seguido amando fielmente si ella no hubiera viajado por el tiempo
I dont think they ever loved each other, because claire would have never loved jamie if it was the case
@@mimyeko894 yes!! They loved each other but like a really best friend, and with time they confused that love so they belive they were actually in a deep love from an amazing romance... Till Claire meets the real romantic love xd
I feel so sorry for Frank...superb acting!
in the books.... I do not know. In the series, he was not the bad guy. He was simply a good and loving person. A man who's hart was broken over and over again. You can love the Claire and Jamy story, but you must feel sorry for Frank
To be honest, it was a complicated and messed up situation for all three of them.
Jamie sent Claire thorugh the stones, fully expecting to die and never seeing her or their baby again. He lost the love of his live for 20 years and missed out on everything with Brianna.
Claire lost the love of her life for 20 years and could never talk about him to the one piece of him she had left. Plus as much as she might or might not have tried to love Frank again the way she used to their relationship just couldn't compare to what she found with Jamie. That's not exactly her fault and she did offer him a divorce.
Frank lost his wife for three years and when she came back, she was deeply in love with someone else and pregnant with his child. As much as he loved Brianna, she was a constant reminder of that for him as much as for Claire.
I feel bad for all three of them.
Great acting by Tobias! Would love to see more of him.
You seem to be a huge fan of outlander!
He's superb.
@@Paulasantos. yeah hi Paula how are you
He played Prince Philip in The Crown Season 3 I think
He did and was very good
Love , compassion ,anger and Wantingness
You can see all this emotions in his eyes.... Tobias is precious actor save him❤️
Maybe it sounds crazy but I like that you can see a little shadow of Black Jack in Frank. I'd have loved to see more of these 2 characters.
Yeah it's almost like they're played by the same actor or something
@@SjofnBM1989 bruh, I was talking about the characterization of Frank and Jack. They can be played by the same actor but be totally different from each other. I said I like that 'cause, even so, you can still see a glimpse of Jack in Frank and viceversa
@@irenecaptain5832 yes, i can see a glimpse of Black Jack in Frank, sometimes, but I don't remember to see a glimpse of Frank in Black Jack.
@@Paulasantos. i think you (or maybe I'm the only one😆) can see it in Jack's eloquence, especially at the beginning, when Claire is still not aware of his troubled (at least) behavior. Idk, maybe it's just me ahaha
@@irenecaptain5832 Well, even in his eloquence he was evil, maybe in his relationship with his brother Alex...he was the only person he treat with kindness, but beat him when he died...
Can you imagine Black Jack accepting his wife back after desappering for three years and pregnant with another man's child?!!!!
What would he do?!!
I cannot feel sorry for him. In the books, he tried to remove Jamie's ring, he tried to punch her and was also a racist. Claire once offered him the divorce but he refused. Not to mention, he knew Jamie didn't die at Culloden and never told her even when he had a lot of women on his back (which I deeply don't care since that wasn't even a marriage at all). And for the ones who don't know, when he found out jamie was alive, he told the reverend to put a fake grave for Jamie in case Brianna or Claire once found out.... bye bye
he was very much so the "if i can't have you, no one can" type. i'm slightly more sympathetic to show frank, but..what a terrible situation for everyone
Oh dear God, I didn't know that... well I very much prefferthe series version. It's a lot more grey
I haven't read the books, but your information intensifies my dislike of Frank, a man of his era who is always very much about Frank and his own feelings. This is evident in the way that he proposes marriage on the spot, tries to get Claire's orders to the Western Front changed, and continuously makes decisions for her throughout the series. Event he so called second honeymoon is all bout his interests and relationship with a fellow historian with a little tail and sight-seeing on the side. He is not attending to her or their relationship at all. Now that she's 5 years older and has lived the trauma of war, the dashing person she first fell in love with is starting to show who he really is. When she wishes to become an American citizen he doesn't even discuss it, but dismisses it as his documentation as a Brit is enough for her status. It goes on and on. Even though he cannot control Claire, but he does make sure that his relationship with Brianna supersedes hers. He controls that and Candy/Sandy has the nerve to tell Claire that she was selfish not to let Frank go when she had in fact wanted to stop the pretense. So ironic.
Jamie, on the other hand, thinks about Claire, discusses issues with her, makes room for her gifts and opinions. He values her intelligence and sensitivity. He learns from her and he teaches her with a beautiful reciprocity. Most of all, he cherishes her.
Personally, I would have preferred that Jack and Frank were not played by the same actor. He wants Claire to open her eyes when having sex. But how could she do that and see the face of the man who abused her and broke her beloved Jamie? If their flawed relationship isn't already enough to suffer, she has to see Jack Randall every time she looks at his face. That little detail is one she never told Frank along with everything she had to suppress.
@@lynda.grace.14 common you sadist these are just very small facts every normal non psychotic husband is like this only practically all are like this in reality but you you know how much he love her I know Claire had no choice in 1700's but common in any way it was not Frank's doings clearly after coming back should show some respect towards him how he was sad after she was gone and you don't think she deserved a punch common he controlled his anger than also what if your wife told you impregnent by someone
If a husband have done this wife would try to attack him it's basic instinct
@@prabhdeepsingh1 they should have divorced
This man is simply the best, and this series hasn't been the same since he left. Miss you and love you, Tobias ❤️
The way you can hear the pain in 0:14 and 0:16 just shows how much of an excellent actor he is !!
The difference why Claire no longer loved Frank after this was HE DIDN''T BELIEVE HER TIME TRAVEL while Jaime did. You simply cannot bond with someone who thinks you are either crazy or lying.
Tbf magic is going to be more believable to a highlander in the 18th century than an educated historian in the 20th century.
Clair has only been thinking of herself, she does not Even show that she's sorry..I really dont like her at all.
@@karenpedersen9688 That's true. I think she used Frank for her own benefit. That's wrong and mean (but also he let himself be used). In this conversation she didn't apologized once for making Frank feel so bad and hurting him, he didn't deserved her cold heart, if she didn't want to get back with Frank then tell him and go away, I don't know why she even accepts him again, she has to be intelligent an be open to Frank and sweet if she was considering to actually get back to him again.
It’s Frank that wanted the marriage to work. She was ready to leave and not be with him. It was Frank that persuaded her to stay with the help of Mrs Graham.
She made a promise to Jamie and she had Brianna to think about..
Being a pregnant woman in 1948 with no money and no means to support herself. Women were expected to be housewives after the war.
Lets not pretend Frank didn’t know that Claire had very little options.
Now had she not been pregnant no doubt she would have left Frank.
It was Frank that wanted to take her back. That wanted to make it work. For Brianna’s sake she tried for the first 3 years after Brianna’s birth..
But it didn’t work. She just didn’t love him. The more independent Claire got the more Frank feared her leaving him..
It was Claire that asked for the divorce and later found out that Frank planned to take Brianna from her.
If anyone had grounds for divorce it was Claire. Franks many affairs with students. Something she was quick to remind him of..
They stayed together for the sake of both of their careers. It was mutually beneficial for them both at that time.
She was paralised with heartbreak and grief... and traumatised by Black Jack who looked just like Frank
regardless of the reality of the scene and the character's background, I find this scene to be absolutely beautiful and that's thanks to their acting. they are absolutely amazing at what they do.
I know it's a 'sign of the timrs' as it were but it's so cruel how it's was just presumed Claire was the one responsible for not being able to have a baby meanwhile it was Frank's swimmers were what was the issue.
Whoa! This scene was moving, he' Tobias deserves an award for this, so much heartstrings are pulling.
Claire couldn't bring herself up to look at him as her husband Frank. His face haunted her with the nightmare of Black Jack Randall and what he did to her husband Jamie.
Really feel bad for Frank though 💔
I feel for Frank! He deserved to be happy, I don't know why he chose to stay with Claire even after she wanted to divorce.
I don't blame her at all, she moved on with her life because she didn't know if she's going to return or not.
But I think their relationship was doomed from the start. When we first met them, Claire was away during the war attending to wounded soldiers, she endured a lot and as it was shown later she suffered from PTSD.
She and Frank were separated for some time and it's obvious that the war changed them both, they may have loved each other but you can see that the "spark" wasn't there.
He should have walked away in that exact moment, him staying, ruined his life, her life and Brianna's (kind of) !!
Clare should have walked away but she stayed and USED Frank and then ruin his life!
This man is a great actor. How I felt for his character in this scene.
Imagine all the scenes flashing her her head when Frank gets up her face of his ancestor and all the things that happened to her yet he has noooo idea
I wish there was a book where he travelled back in time *with* Claire. That would be fun shenanigan's.
Frank deserved to have a loving wife.
He had that opportunity when Claire asked him about the divorce
@@tachmin4ever she also had a choice to walk away yet she stayed
He deserves it😭 fell inlove with hun from the very first episode.
Terrific scene, great acting by Tobias.
I feel sorry for Feank, he did nothing wrong up to this point and just suffered, missed and feared for Claire. But here he should have understand that she did not love him like before anymore, and that they could not just forget that these 2 years happened. He should have let both of them move on. Even though it was of course kind of chivalrous to not let a pregnant woman be all by herself, she clearly did not want to be in a fake marriage with him. He could have just supported he with money if that was so important to him.
But Frank wanted kids and Brianna was what he always dreamed of.
I sympathize with him deeply in the series but the books says otherwise😩
@@luciadilazzaro2285 Well, but she wasn't his, and Brianna was also robbed of a father that loved her !!!, i'm not saying that Frank didn't loved her, but, she had a right to know who Jamie was !
@@giuliapicchiotti I agree that they should have told her about her father. Jamie would have loved on his baby girl so much. He was so full of pride being able to help raise Will for a time. I'm still sad he didn't get to raise Bree.
When there is no love left in relationship ... No point to sticking & make both life's worse .. better to leave .. once it's gone it won't return no matter how u try ..
Tobias Menzies is so great in Outlander, both as Frank and Black Jack! I believed him everything he served there! Amazing.
I like Frank's character so much, and feel so sorry for him. :(
Someone give this man an Oscar
"Frank" ist extragenial in diesem Moment seiner Rolle!Großartig!
I've become an earnest fan of *Outlander* fairly recently and got smitten by all these marvelous actors - Caitriona, Sam, Tobias, and many more -
and their magical presentation onscreen. I had actually bought the first book of the series years ago but didn't even open the book(due to my hoarding habit of good books🧐).
These days on my commute, I'm happily devouring the stories, haha. Since English is not my first language, being Korean and because of all those wee bonny Scottish Gaelic,
it is not a fast page-turner but still very much enticing! :)
With all the gorgeous series written by Diana Gabaldon, I think I can happily go through Droughtlander, haha.
I genuinely think that, with more effort from Claire's side, she and Frank could have found their way back to happiness. But it probably would have involved a lot of heart-to-heart moments, and mutual growth, that I'm not sure they (or other 1940s couples) would have been able to do.
Frank is not Black Jack Randall. And he was a good father to Brianna - excellent, even.
I really love his character in the show and I feel so sorry for him. But I don't like the book-Frank, cuz he was just ... argh. In _my_ opinion Outlander is the only book I've ever read, whose film adaption is better.
Tobias is a great actor 👌
he's an amazing actor
I don't know is there any word to describe the way of there acting skills
In my opinion at the beginning I felt hurt for Frank even though it wasn't necessarily Claire's fault it's not like she didn't try to get back to him at first but you can't control who fall in love with. And then Frank knowing Jamie was alive and that Claire was going back to him and he said nth just irritates me. If you look closely Frank was very revengeful when he asked for a divorce he made it a point of saying how much Bree reminded Claire of Jamie implying that taking her away would be taking everything she held dear away and leaving her alone kinda like how she left him. Also him not wanting Bree to ever know of Jamie's existence was incredibly vindictive on his part and Jamie to this day has no problem with Claire wearing Franks ring has never expressed n issue with it or even Claire telling him about Frank. Frank however goes out of his way to say he doesn't want her to ever mention him and that first night wanted her to take off his ring which shows the major difference between Frank and Jamie. There's also him being so extremely close to Bree if you look closely on that it was almost like he wanted her to love him more so he could always have her on his side kinda like making Claire have to watch that and see that bond and I thought of this too when he told Brianna about the divorce the second he n Claire were done talking instead of waiting for them to tell her together like most people do
just Machiavellian, I hated Frank ever since he manipulated Brianna and turned her against Claire to pursue his revenge
Well u can't blame a man for hating his wife's lover 💀 y"all too much on ur feels for Jamie to put yrseleves in Frank's shoes. Frank was the first husband Jamie was the lover. Jamie has 0 rights to be jealous since he "stole" her. Frank has every right to be jealous & vindictive
Tobias Menzies is brilliant !👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
She’s a bit unsympathetic to Frank’s feelings here.
True, but you can't force yourself to love ir care for someone
Yes :( I think she's heartbroken and when she sees his face she think of Jack Randall instead of just Frank her loving husband.
Well, Claire thought that she would be in that time, never be home again. So she would not have to love only one man forever and eternity.
I feel so bad for both of them.
Claire here acts cruelly. Loving someone else shouldn't make you completely indifferent to the feeling of a person you cared about.
It's like she punishing him for being back there. And it's not his fault
Such a complex grey character. That's not a good life to live for anyone... To not be loved by your wife even after waiting for her for 3 years. Trapped in a loveless marriage...
OUTSTANDING ACTING!!!
Poor Poor Frank.I feel so sorry for him♥
Frank 💔 what a miserable end he had. He deserved much better. I would have been content if he was shown to have moved on happily to a new wife he loved just as much if not more than Claire. Unfortunately he lost at every turn and that makes me not root for Jaime or/and Claire.
Poor embryo Brianna, she went through a lot also :'(
It ends with us perfect cast !!! 😢
the temper of Frank Randal matched Dr. Ryle Kincaid. And Jamie as Atlas Corrigan always her true love.
I think I kinda hated Claire in this season. Frank was a kind man. My heart broke a little.
Tobias is just incredibly talented. To this day I cannot think of a villain that makes me more nauseous than Black Jack Randall. I thought I wouldn’t be able to feel compassion for Frank seeing Black Jacks face but Tobias literally transforms into another person and one can’t help but feel sad for Frank.
Black jack Randall appeared for a moment with claire...Diana Gabaldon needs recognition for this written peice.
And for the producers/ director to get it right...This would have been a true story during and after Colonisation..
I believe the reason things would never go back for Claire and Frank, is the trauma past Randall left in her. The trauma I suspect makes it difficult for her. Worse in this scene he kinda tapped into that energy too, he’s definitely a Randall descendant
Franck est le descendant du frère de jack randall
@@nadinecharles6714 That he is indeed
Frank didn't deserve this.
Wasn't Claire's fault...but he was a victime...
Accept her back was his great mistake and the cause of his misery...
What man would accept his wife back in those conditions?!
I disagree it was not her fault, he had a chance to go back to her time, and she consciously decided to stay with jamie, who she had known for only six months. I don't care how in love she was, she was aware that she had vanished from her own time and left people there wondering what happened to them, thinking her kidnapped or dead and suffering in the not knowing because a corpse would not be found for her loved ones to mourn her and move on. She was aware of this, and decided to stay and play happy house with jamie. And when she comes back she goes and tell that person that has been going mad with worry and grief over her missing for 3 years and tell him she didn't even want to come back because she was happy with the other guy. So no, she is not free of blame, it's not her fault to not live frank anymore, sure, but his suffering because he didn't know what happened to her is. Being in love is not enough to justify what she did or the fact that she refuses to be empathic about what frank suffered and act like the only victim in the situation. Imagine someone you care a lot about, doesn't even have to be romantically, just your best friend or sibling for example, disappears one day. No one knows what happened to them, you spend years between hope of finding them and fear of the worst scenerios of what could have happened to them. And then one day they show up and they tell you they didn't want to come back, they have the means to, but they choose to stay wherr they were and let you suffer over what could have happened to them because they were having a happy time with some hottie they found. If your happiness must come at the expense of letting a loved one who didn't do anything bad to you suffer and live in desperation wondering what could have happened to you, then you are being very egoistical. Something like that can destroy a person's life, when a corpse is not found, the hope that you might still be alive doesn't let your loved ones move on, they get stuck in that state, some people start drinking, suffer depressions, etc, and their whole life gets destroyed by that desperation combined with hope.
@@nessyness5447 I totaly agree with you..
You're absolutely right, she never thougt how much Frank suffered with het desappearance, how desperate he was, how much he loved her, to point of accepting her back in those conditions..
She was allways cold with him...
He was a real victime of all that.
I understand she was in love ...but Frank deserved better...
@@Paulasantos.i wonder if she would have done the same if her parents or uncle were alive. I mean she was on a vacation, walked out one morning and never came back, her car found abandoned in the middle of a road and all her things still in their hotel room. Anyone would assume the worst.
@@nessyness5447 I believe she would...
She was in love, was the love of her life, a real love...she only left Jamie because she was pregnant and after Colluden, they could be both killed, otherwise she would never return to twenty century.
@@Paulasantos. oh of course she would have, it was mostly retorical. She didn't even gave too much thought to leave her college age daughter completely alone to go back to jamie. But that one scene when she could have gone back after the first 6 months and here, these scenes are what made me dislike claire. Someone who would let their family or friends suffer wondering if they are being held captive and tortured somewhere for years because they have the hots for a guy they have known for 6 months is not someone i can respect.
I love stories that overturn tropes. It would be so easy to have Frank be a bad man, so we could all just be relieved that she found Jamie, and then heartbroken for her when she goes back to the awful Frank. But instead, Frank is a decent guy. Maybe not as "hot" as Jamie, but a decent person doing his best to be reasonable, and who really does love her and want to be with her. It adds a level of complexity to the story that I'm really grateful to see!
Frank already knows that he’s sterile
Frank deserved so much better
Talentueux et exceptionnel Tobias Menzies💥
Frank already knows that he can’t have kids
this is every man who been betrayed a woman he loves. Moral is: trust no woman, and get a prenup. Or at least marry a woman who knows the meaning of honour and respect.
Senti pena do Frank amava muito a claire...
Tobias Menzes es un gran actor; sin embargo en el libro dicen que Frank trata muy mal y es de mal genio con Claire ya desde el principio ( yo no leí el libro) , pero en los comentarios alguien que leyó el libro lo describió así
Hum .., magnifique jeu d’acteur
Is it just me, or is everyone shockingly mature about their relationships in this show (except for Laoghaire)
this like the cliffhanger to a bad soap
Tobias Menzies is superb
Frank deserved better.
Claire deserved anything that came her way
I felt so sorry for Frank here...
😭😭😭 poor frank.
Amo essa série 💖
Você parece ser um grande fã de outlander!
Не понимаю, почему Клэр так ненавидит Френка. Он же потомок не Джека Рендола, а его брата викария, доброго и порядочного человека
Magnificent actors1
Every guy whose wife sympathizes with Clare… hope you got a decent prenup.
Don't be like Frank. Certainly not if your wife says she loved a man deeply. That's just a huge let down.
What episode is thisss
Jeimi cuando más te necesita cler no estas😢😅
This hurts me omg 😃
Realmente Tobias Menzies e um grande ator, tanto que tô com raiva dele, seu personagem violentou, torturou o Jamie, e quase o matou.👏👏👏🇧🇷🇧🇷
He never told her that he is sterile .I wonder why?😮😊🙄 It needs courage.
When she say I'm pregnant it was the last nail of the coffin. Poor unfortunate man fall in love with a immature woman
How was she immature ?
Re-watch the series and this time pay attention
Frank deserved better than Claire.
She annoys me.
OMG Frank didn't love himself. He was obsessed.
@@tr1z-cm6yk dude if your wife goes missing for three years and you don't know what happened to her is normal to be incredibly happy to see her alive and well, he was too glad that she was well to realize he should just step away from that situation.
@@tr1z-cm6yk Exactly !!
What an easy way to say 2 years I love another man.
Frank amava molto Claire ma si e' comportato molto male con almeno le a fatto credere cosi' ❤️
Honestly how could she even stand him knowing that he look exactly like randall. It’s disgusting.
Oh god. Was TB's performance, despite the story, wonderful portrayals by the 2 leads, the pathos and drama the main reason why seasons 1 and 2 were so wonderful and the rest such an anticlimax to the point of boring! It should have ended at Culloden and left us all with broken rather than disappointed hearts.
TM's not TB
😔😩
Wtf is David Walliams doing there?
He is a loser for asking her to come back to him, she would never be his wife!
He shouldn't have married her and let her live in disgrace with a child.
Exactly!! Finally, someone said the right thing, everyone says poor Frank, (regardless of Tobias' unique acting, which unfortunately was less seen in this series), but Frank's character was an idiot. The writers should not have shown him so weak and awkward
Pobre cler no puede haber una sola persona q ue sufra y ahora le va a sacar el hijo bilis y sam sigue de romance con ella q asco.
Strange serie
Frank from the book is worst than Frank from the series, you feel sorry for him
Poor Frank 😭😭😭