Fun fact about the origin of the athletics elephant logo. When the team was bought by one of its previous owners (I can’t remember their name), the newspapers made fun of him because the A’s were bad at the time. And the went so far as to describe the team as a “white elephant”. So the manager embraced the criticism and made it a mascot for the team
Chicago White Sox... the winged sock was a logo in the 1950s. The sock in a diamond started in 1990. This is a combination of the two, plus the new concept of the skyline in the background.
As a Brewers fan, I do like the logo, but I love our new/old logo so much that I would not want it to be changed. I think that it may look good as an alternate perhaps, but not as the primary logo.
About your cartoony logo statement. Baseball is definitely a sport that uses logos like that EVERYWHERE. The MLB is just too professional to use them. That Mets logo would be perfect for a minor league team somewhere. That’s the type of place you would see that stuff. It would also work as an alternate logo. Also, underneath the sliding dude in the dodgers logo, the red line reminds me too much of the twins for me to like it.
The brewers one is a big meh for me. The glove logo is so iconic and they already have a few great alternate logos that look better than it too(the ball, barrel man, the bricks wisconsin)
These are extremely well-made logos. I definitely think a lot of them feel like a little league team more than a serious professional baseball team but the designs are excellent.
The issue with changing logos in the MLB and really all of pro sports is some logos are set in stone and really feels very weird and wrong to change them bc some have been around for so long and have some much history. (still love the designs, no hate on them lol)
The classic Mets logo is perfection, really. This one misses the city skyline. It's perfect for NY's Metropolitans, and I say that as a diehard Yankee fan.
1. Arizona Diamondbacks 2. Kansas City Royals 3. Cleveland Indians 4. Miami Marlins 5. Chicago White Sox 6. Atlanta Braves 7. Tampa Bay Rays 8. St. Louis Cardinals 9. San Diego Padres 10. San Francisco Giants
Uhhh, the Willis Tower is right of center. But the artist clearly doesnt know Chicago because the Sox are southsiders where theyre much closer to the Willis.
As a dodger fan, I honestly don’t like that logo just for the fact the player has the gray away uniform. That’s the biggest criticism I have of it. Should’ve just used the white home uniform, blue socks and made the helmet more blue, less navy.
The Athletics usage of an elephant as a team symbol goes back to the beginning. When the American League came into being in 1901, several players left National League teams to play in the new league. New York Giants manager John McGraw called the AL a "white elephant" and said the league would last but a few years. After the A's defeated the Giants in the 1911 and 1913 World Series, Athletics owner Connie Mack put a white elephant patch on the sleeves of the Athletics uniforms as a reminder to McGraw about his prediction. The white elephant remained until Charlie Finley bought the team in 1963. Finley dropped the elephant logo and changed the teams colors from royal blue and red, to kelly green and gold, and shortened the teams nickname to the "A's". After the Haas family bought the team from Finley in 1980, the restored the name "Athletics", switched the shade of green from kelly green to hunter green. The Haas family also brought back the elephant, but switched it from a white elephant to a green elephant.
@@Post2PostProductions I should also note that Charlie Finley got the idea to switch the A's colors from royal blue and red to kelly green and gold because he was a fan of Notre Dame football. Notre Dame tends to switch back and forth from a dark blue and gold scheme to kelly green and gold and Finley liked the green uniforms better. Finley even carried it into hockey. When he bought the California Golden Seals as an expansion franchise he gave the Seals those same colors, and just as he made the A's wear white shoes, he outfitted the Seals in white skates (bad idea). Finley also owned the "Memphis Tams" of the old American Basketball Association. What was a "Tam"? It was an acronym for Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi, the tri state area where the Tams played. What were their colors? You guessed it- kelly green and gold.
My beloved Cardinals got #1? Nice! Nonetheless, I agree with Neil regarding the "Busy-ness" of the logo. The cardinal might benefit from being more aggressive. However, I understand why one wouldn't wish to do that since the aggressive Cardinal is more synonymous with the Arizona Cardinals football team. What if - instead - you model the stitching of the baseball after the Gateway Arch? I think that would resolve Neil's reservations about the logo being too busy. My thoughts on some of these: Pirates - I think this is the best logo of the bunch by a furlong. There is definition and character. It looks the most polished yet gritty of the bunch. I look at this and see a lot of influence from the Tampa Bay Buccanneers. Orioles - Is this an Oriole or a Phoenix? We gotta pick a lane here. And - yes, Neil - you are totally in the minority regarding that emblem. I think it's the one thing about this team that makes them distinct from the other baseball teams in the league. White Sox - Couldn't agree more about the sock. There are better sox drawings that one can use and the wings are totally no good (FYI, my 2nd favorite team is this one). Angels - I gotta disagree with Neil on the face issue with this one. Angels are enigmatic and that expression captures it. I mean, hell, what the alternative? Happy-Go-Lucky type of angels? Super agitated angels? Rockies - I give this one a RIGHT ON. This was my second favorite of the bunch. This logo should be on the arms of the jerseys just below the shoulder. I think that it would look great there. Phillies - This logo follows the KISS rule to a T. Kiss It Simple, Stupid! Braves - NO! Just no...this is...(*Sigh*) No. Brewers - Ok, this one is tricky for me because I really adore their traditional logo. I can't say that this one is bad. It's crossing all of the boxes for me and I can see it growing on people over time. However, I'm conflicted as to whether the hardhat is adding anything to this. True, Milwaukee is a very blue-collar type of city and the hardhat conveys that. It's also true that you see plenty of people at the Miller Brewery wearing hard hats. I don't know...it's a really good start though. I'm anxious to see what more can be done with it. I see sincere potential!
Cartoony might not work for every team, but it would definitely work with the Mets, since it's Mr. Met's face, almost exactly (though they've had issues any time they've strayed from the standard NY logo). With the Padres, as goofy as it looks, the face is actually pulled directly off their original logo. The Oriole's one would work better for the Nationals (colors changed and MD flag replaced with DC), since it largely looks inspired by the presidential seal. I really like the Blue Jays one as a logo for the kid's club (like, the fan club for kids, not their minor leagues). I like the DBacks' better than their actual one (but, I also liked the Robo Yote since I first started liking hockey). Colorado is cool, but it reminds me more of a soccer crest than a baseball logo. Take the ball off the Rays' logo, and I think it would be perfect on a hat. I'm a Nats fan, but I don't feel that logo. For the Caps, it would be great, but I just don't see it with the Nats. The Pirates' is about as perfect as you can get for that team with that name. A bit too intimidating for that franchise, though. Royals is another that makes me think soccer more than baseball. I like the A's throwback with their elephant. Something about the Mariners just doesn't work for me, but I can't put my finger on what I don't like. The Brewers' works perfectly for that team, though I think you're more likely to see it on a bottle of beer made in partnership with the team. The Cardinals' is really good (I probably agree with you at ranking it #1), but their current logo is one of the best in baseball already, so any change is almost guaranteed to be a downgrade.
As a Brewers fan, that logo would be okay as an Alternate logo. Has some modern ideas with Brewers history in it and so I don't mind the look. Be not a main logo for me.
The tigers.. reminds of their alternate that walks through the old English D, but less detailed. If you want cartoony, look at at the alternate logo from the 60's lol, then there's the meth tiger... yes Nashville wasn't the first, but detroit's meth tiger was more liked.
Ok Mr Neil this guy has my gene off too much but I'd take these logos for a little league teams. But overall it's not major or minor league team material and trust me I've seen worst. But logo designers will tell you to polish or simplify a logo it will get revised and liked. Good example look at the NY Jets logo. Soo many times it's been simplified and ppl like the outcome of the logo.
For the Brewers…. 🤔 Not sure how I feel. It seems too generic for a unique team (with the bats and baseball helmet) I believe the plant was hops which makes sense for beer but…. Honestly the brewers should go back to barrelman as the logo and mascot
That giants logo would make a great shirt or poster. Otherwise all these would be most effective as sleeve designs. As of the Cleveland Indians, maybe they should name it after the tribe that where their home ground stands. If they move, then 😣.
Not really a fan of the Brewers logo. Looks like a pinecone with a hard hat on. I know it's hops but most probably wouldn't think that. Hard to beat the Brewers current logos/patches
Believe me… it was hard. I really like their whole history of logos. The brewers, Padres and dodgers were the most difficult teams to think of a whole new logo.
@@jasonrenaldo8920 If you can somehow make a keg look professional that might work lol. 7th inning stretch after take me out to the ball game the crowd sings Roll Out the Barrel.
Alright so whoever made these must be a little kid as all looked like I would do in Jr, High.. You tried, but think more like a professional org. As MLB needs all the help they can with pulling out of ATL for Colorado for their All Star game and am so happy the ratings are the worst ever as you go woke you will go broke.. How sad that they try to honor Hank Arron in Colorado and not ATL. So good try to do it again without cartoon stuff like MLB is now a cartoon that is paying the price for being blm supporters as well as antifa and now going broke..
@@jacobpaulette9328 No dude, you shut up. Go woke go broke the MLB is failing like the NBA by the way the Euro got higher ratings in America than NBA. You are showing how you are weak and have no clue, as people do not want BLM or antifa along with sports getting involved. You have china and ccp running nba a joke just like the new space jam that is a flop..Oh thinking of flop looks like your up as a FLOP.
My Cardinals logo is a joke. One cannot take one of the most iconic logos in all sports, and turn it into that!! Jason must be a 4 year old with a 64-count of Crayola crayons . Hey let him design future City Connect Unis, he's a natural. 🙄
Hey mate, it’s really hard to try and make something new with something so classic. Probably put his heart and soul into it. At least this guy did it, could you?
@@jacobpaulette9328 no need to redesign the logos in MLB. Go play with......... the rest of the professional leagues. These logos are so hideous, the Minor Leagues and Junior Leagues won't even touch it.
Anything St. Louis cardinals is gorgeous. By far the best looking uniform in mlb and maybe all of sports. I am biased, as I’m a Cardinal lifer, but you cannot have any logo of STL without the birds on the bat. We did it once years ago and it didn’t work so we scratched it. Birds on the bat is the staple of who we are. And it’s strictly the cards, so the logo here or Toronto adopting it, and STL doing away with it, would never happen.
As a Brewers fan, I think the concept is one of the best of these, but I think the "MB" ball/glove logo is already perfect
Yes, and as a Reds fan I would agree.
Fun fact about the origin of the athletics elephant logo. When the team was bought by one of its previous owners (I can’t remember their name), the newspapers made fun of him because the A’s were bad at the time. And the went so far as to describe the team as a “white elephant”. So the manager embraced the criticism and made it a mascot for the team
The face on the Padres logo is their actual mascot, the Swingin Friar, i have a bobblehead of it actually
Chicago Cubs Logo was the best! No changes necessary!
That Mets logo would be great for the minor leagues.
In other words it's perfect for them.
@@smallville316619 hey new owners they are in first place.
Looks like clip art tbf
I was thinking it would be a great graphic for the mascot
Ooh after this you should rank the city connect jerseys
Arizona, Toronto, and Oakland are top 3 for me
I also liked Colorado, Tampa, Cardinals, and Houston as arm patches or alternates.
From a member of the Brew Crew here in Madison, I like the Brewers logo the designer made! It's a fun take for a team that has such classic logos.
Chicago White Sox... the winged sock was a logo in the 1950s. The sock in a diamond started in 1990. This is a combination of the two, plus the new concept of the skyline in the background.
The royals one coloured differently would be a great la kings one. I have to say that’s my favourite one!
As a Brewers fan, I do like the logo, but I love our new/old logo so much that I would not want it to be changed. I think that it may look good as an alternate perhaps, but not as the primary logo.
As a Brewers fan Neil I love it, I could definitely see that being a secondary logo, it just screams the Brewers and Milwaukee
I really liked the Cubs logo.
About your cartoony logo statement. Baseball is definitely a sport that uses logos like that EVERYWHERE. The MLB is just too professional to use them. That Mets logo would be perfect for a minor league team somewhere. That’s the type of place you would see that stuff. It would also work as an alternate logo. Also, underneath the sliding dude in the dodgers logo, the red line reminds me too much of the twins for me to like it.
Noooooo Neil, that’s a redraw of Mr. Met who has been on the Mets jersey before.
And the “bowling ball” in the Padres logo is the head of the swinging friar-a Padres jersey staple.
The head in the Padres logo reminds me of a potato.
The cardinal looks like he knows you did something wrong, but he doesn't have time to scold you yet
I totally understand the Texas rangers thing
As a Brewers fan I was surprised, in a good way, by that logo. If it was a patch on a special edition jersey I wouldn't mind it.
San Diego logo head is the head of the actual friar of the official logo
The brewers one is a big meh for me. The glove logo is so iconic and they already have a few great alternate logos that look better than it too(the ball, barrel man, the bricks wisconsin)
I would like a description of why Jason designed the brewers logo, as it was shown.
Although the Cardinals are very traditional, I love the logo, especially as a lifelong Cardinals fan! Great video!
As a St. Louis Cardinals fan that logo kicks ass!
The Mets logo looks like Mr. Met is drunk.
Sweet Expos hat
That Philly skyline is like pre 2005 I think. Weird choice.
The facial expression described by Neil of the Orioles logo sums up the team's current existence.
The Marlins logo was the best one.
Yep. Hands down.
The head in the padres one tied it together as it’s a “padre”
Astros is the best in every way also love the cubs logo re designed @beans
How to make a good MLB logo according to Post2Post:
No cartoons, No faces, No Women
I think this Astros logo is better than the one they're using
These are extremely well-made logos. I definitely think a lot of them feel like a little league team more than a serious professional baseball team but the designs are excellent.
Pirates should use this logo... love it. And I agree with you about the Cards logo, it has everything and look over all good.
Sweet Expos hat!
The issue with changing logos in the MLB and really all of pro sports is some logos are set in stone and really feels very weird and wrong to change them bc some have been around for so long and have some much history. (still love the designs, no hate on them lol)
The classic Mets logo is perfection, really. This one misses the city skyline. It's perfect for NY's Metropolitans, and I say that as a diehard Yankee fan.
Whats the M and S on the twins logo suppose to represent?
Minneapolis and St. Paul
Cubs logo was slept on
1. Arizona Diamondbacks
2. Kansas City Royals
3. Cleveland Indians
4. Miami Marlins
5. Chicago White Sox
6. Atlanta Braves
7. Tampa Bay Rays
8. St. Louis Cardinals
9. San Diego Padres
10. San Francisco Giants
I think all of these would be secondary logos because they typically don’t include the mascot in the primary logos
the Phillies logo looks like an old 76ers alternate logo of some sort. the Nationals logo looks like it was taken from the old Capitals logo.
The building in the Chicago sky line is not the Sears/Willis Tower it is the Hancock Building.
Uhhh, the Willis Tower is right of center. But the artist clearly doesnt know Chicago because the Sox are southsiders where theyre much closer to the Willis.
As a dodger fan, I honestly don’t like that logo just for the fact the player has the gray away uniform. That’s the biggest criticism I have of it. Should’ve just used the white home uniform, blue socks and made the helmet more blue, less navy.
The Athletics usage of an elephant as a team symbol goes back to the beginning. When the American League came into being in 1901, several players left National League teams to play in the new league. New York Giants manager John McGraw called the AL a "white elephant" and said the league would last but a few years. After the A's defeated the Giants in the 1911 and 1913 World Series, Athletics owner Connie Mack put a white elephant patch on the sleeves of the Athletics uniforms as a reminder to McGraw about his prediction. The white elephant remained until Charlie Finley bought the team in 1963. Finley dropped the elephant logo and changed the teams colors from royal blue and red, to kelly green and gold, and shortened the teams nickname to the "A's". After the Haas family bought the team from Finley in 1980, the restored the name "Athletics", switched the shade of green from kelly green to hunter green. The Haas family also brought back the elephant, but switched it from a white elephant to a green elephant.
I didn't know that, thank you!
@@Post2PostProductions I should also note that Charlie Finley got the idea to switch the A's colors from royal blue and red to kelly green and gold because he was a fan of Notre Dame football. Notre Dame tends to switch back and forth from a dark blue and gold scheme to kelly green and gold and Finley liked the green uniforms better. Finley even carried it into hockey. When he bought the California Golden Seals as an expansion franchise he gave the Seals those same colors, and just as he made the A's wear white shoes, he outfitted the Seals in white skates (bad idea). Finley also owned the "Memphis Tams" of the old American Basketball Association. What was a "Tam"? It was an acronym for Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi, the tri state area where the Tams played. What were their colors? You guessed it- kelly green and gold.
My beloved Cardinals got #1? Nice! Nonetheless, I agree with Neil regarding the "Busy-ness" of the logo. The cardinal might benefit from being more aggressive. However, I understand why one wouldn't wish to do that since the aggressive Cardinal is more synonymous with the Arizona Cardinals football team.
What if - instead - you model the stitching of the baseball after the Gateway Arch? I think that would resolve Neil's reservations about the logo being too busy.
My thoughts on some of these:
Pirates - I think this is the best logo of the bunch by a furlong. There is definition and character. It looks the most polished yet gritty of the bunch. I look at this and see a lot of influence from the Tampa Bay Buccanneers.
Orioles - Is this an Oriole or a Phoenix? We gotta pick a lane here. And - yes, Neil - you are totally in the minority regarding that emblem. I think it's the one thing about this team that makes them distinct from the other baseball teams in the league.
White Sox - Couldn't agree more about the sock. There are better sox drawings that one can use and the wings are totally no good (FYI, my 2nd favorite team is this one).
Angels - I gotta disagree with Neil on the face issue with this one. Angels are enigmatic and that expression captures it. I mean, hell, what the alternative? Happy-Go-Lucky type of angels? Super agitated angels?
Rockies - I give this one a RIGHT ON. This was my second favorite of the bunch. This logo should be on the arms of the jerseys just below the shoulder. I think that it would look great there.
Phillies - This logo follows the KISS rule to a T. Kiss It Simple, Stupid!
Braves - NO! Just no...this is...(*Sigh*) No.
Brewers - Ok, this one is tricky for me because I really adore their traditional logo. I can't say that this one is bad. It's crossing all of the boxes for me and I can see it growing on people over time. However, I'm conflicted as to whether the hardhat is adding anything to this. True, Milwaukee is a very blue-collar type of city and the hardhat conveys that. It's also true that you see plenty of people at the Miller Brewery wearing hard hats. I don't know...it's a really good start though. I'm anxious to see what more can be done with it. I see sincere potential!
The MLB has done cartoonish logos before: the current orioles logo, the old indians logo just to name a couple
The Reds 1 would have been a homerun if it illustrated a red skinned warrior
1:30 that face will haunt my nightmares
The Cubs and cardinals logos can be found on the internet but other then that these are great logos
Cartoony might not work for every team, but it would definitely work with the Mets, since it's Mr. Met's face, almost exactly (though they've had issues any time they've strayed from the standard NY logo).
With the Padres, as goofy as it looks, the face is actually pulled directly off their original logo.
The Oriole's one would work better for the Nationals (colors changed and MD flag replaced with DC), since it largely looks inspired by the presidential seal.
I really like the Blue Jays one as a logo for the kid's club (like, the fan club for kids, not their minor leagues).
I like the DBacks' better than their actual one (but, I also liked the Robo Yote since I first started liking hockey).
Colorado is cool, but it reminds me more of a soccer crest than a baseball logo.
Take the ball off the Rays' logo, and I think it would be perfect on a hat.
I'm a Nats fan, but I don't feel that logo. For the Caps, it would be great, but I just don't see it with the Nats.
The Pirates' is about as perfect as you can get for that team with that name. A bit too intimidating for that franchise, though.
Royals is another that makes me think soccer more than baseball.
I like the A's throwback with their elephant.
Something about the Mariners just doesn't work for me, but I can't put my finger on what I don't like.
The Brewers' works perfectly for that team, though I think you're more likely to see it on a bottle of beer made in partnership with the team.
The Cardinals' is really good (I probably agree with you at ranking it #1), but their current logo is one of the best in baseball already, so any change is almost guaranteed to be a downgrade.
the Rockies logo reminds me of space
As a Brewers fan, that logo would be okay as an Alternate logo. Has some modern ideas with Brewers history in it and so I don't mind the look. Be not a main logo for me.
The tigers.. reminds of their alternate that walks through the old English D, but less detailed. If you want cartoony, look at at the alternate logo from the 60's lol, then there's the meth tiger... yes Nashville wasn't the first, but detroit's meth tiger was more liked.
I think the indians announced this year is the indians last year being called indians Neil
Good to know!
Cards logo looks siiiick
Cartoony logos definitely work for minor teams, just not for major leaguers other than the reds
Marlins should use that logo right now.
I like the dbacks logo
I’d add that Jays logo to my hat collection! 💙 ⚾️
Neil from Plate2Base2Base2Base2Plate 😅😝
Home run for ranking baseball logos :)
what's GGGGGGGGGREAT (Tony The Tiger) Is BO (Batimore Orioles) Is That There's A Bird Called The Baltimore Oriole (On Chirp! Canada)
Ok Mr Neil this guy has my gene off too much but I'd take these logos for a little league teams. But overall it's not major or minor league team material and trust me I've seen worst. But logo designers will tell you to polish or simplify a logo it will get revised and liked. Good example look at the NY Jets logo. Soo many times it's been simplified and ppl like the outcome of the logo.
The yankees and the diamondbacks are awesome
Seriously thought that the Atlanta Braves logo looks like a slanted version of WB (Warner Bros) logo 😂
That Orioles logo looks more like a Phoenix
I got huge German crest vibes from this one
For the Brewers…. 🤔 Not sure how I feel. It seems too generic for a unique team (with the bats and baseball helmet) I believe the plant was hops which makes sense for beer but…. Honestly the brewers should go back to barrelman as the logo and mascot
I like the Twins logo. Kind of cool.
That giants logo would make a great shirt or poster. Otherwise all these would be most effective as sleeve designs. As of the Cleveland Indians, maybe they should name it after the tribe that where their home ground stands. If they move, then 😣.
Love brewers logo
the low ranked logos look like they're for children's teams.
I don't watch the MLB but these are cool
The face is the Padre
The nationals logo reminds me of the incredibles logo😂
Not to be mean but a lot of them would be good AAA or AA logos. Only logo I like better then the current one is the Marlins.
I’m not into that Brewers logo. A beer barrel would’ve been a better choice instead of the hop
You should react to minor league team names and logos
I have 15+ videos on the channel already doing just that :)
It’s not bad first one is better
The Astros one wins for me
Swing batter batter
Do more mlb
I didnt like a single one of these lol
hi neil
Hello
Not really a fan of the Brewers logo. Looks like a pinecone with a hard hat on. I know it's hops but most probably wouldn't think that. Hard to beat the Brewers current logos/patches
Believe me… it was hard. I really like their whole history of logos. The brewers, Padres and dodgers were the most difficult teams to think of a whole new logo.
@@jasonrenaldo8920 If you can somehow make a keg look professional that might work lol. 7th inning stretch after take me out to the ball game the crowd sings Roll Out the Barrel.
The Astros one is ok, but all the others...yikes.
These are horrible if I’m being honest
Whoever Jason is, he sucks at designing logos
Alright so whoever made these must be a little kid as all looked like I would do in Jr, High.. You tried, but think more like a professional org. As MLB needs all the help they can with pulling out of ATL for Colorado for their All Star game and am so happy the ratings are the worst ever as you go woke you will go broke.. How sad that they try to honor Hank Arron in Colorado and not ATL. So good try to do it again without cartoon stuff like MLB is now a cartoon that is paying the price for being blm supporters as well as antifa and now going broke..
dude.. shut up
@@jacobpaulette9328 No dude, you shut up. Go woke go broke the MLB is failing like the NBA by the way the Euro got higher ratings in America than NBA. You are showing how you are weak and have no clue, as people do not want BLM or antifa along with sports getting involved. You have china and ccp running nba a joke just like the new space jam that is a flop..Oh thinking of flop looks like your up as a FLOP.
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My Cardinals logo is a joke. One cannot take one of the most iconic logos in all sports, and turn it into that!! Jason must be a 4 year old with a 64-count of Crayola crayons . Hey let him design future City Connect Unis, he's a natural. 🙄
Hey mate, it’s really hard to try and make something new with something so classic. Probably put his heart and soul into it. At least this guy did it, could you?
I get it man but calm down.
@@slipknota7xeg LMAO and don't f*ck with my Blues
would love to see your attempt at redesigning 30 logos bozo :)
@@jacobpaulette9328 no need to redesign the logos in MLB. Go play with......... the rest of the professional leagues. These logos are so hideous, the Minor Leagues and Junior Leagues won't even touch it.
These are horrible.
Anything St. Louis cardinals is gorgeous. By far the best looking uniform in mlb and maybe all of sports. I am biased, as I’m a Cardinal lifer, but you cannot have any logo of STL without the birds on the bat. We did it once years ago and it didn’t work so we scratched it. Birds on the bat is the staple of who we are. And it’s strictly the cards, so the logo here or Toronto adopting it, and STL doing away with it, would never happen.
From the Rays on it was decent. But prior to that? Straight arse. 😆