@@chaitanyabhargava5131not really….all this was easily avoidable…if the mother knew how to keep her legs closed. The other was a 18 year old fool hung up on a woman. And, this lady talking got too much justifications for bs. Easy to know who the sickest is…the mother who cheated on her husband, got her daughter involved in a murder scheme on the heels of her own affair. One bad apple spoils the bunch. One rotten mother took down her own family and two others. And I’m sure they made the blackmailers sound far worse and themselves better…but the dead don’t get to tell their story, right?
I agree! the transcript was really frustrating, if the operator would have instantly send help maybe the victims would have been alive at least, no one will call 911 for no reason!
typically during 999 calls the operator will stay on the phone after police/paramedics have been dispatched in order to keep the victim calm and advise them on what to do in that situation (instructing on how to do CPR, etc). the questions often seem irrelevant and it is extremely frustrating as a caller but there isn’t much the operator can do after sending help. also, calls are recorded and can therefore provide important evidence/additional information if emergency services are too late.
It’s absolutely insane to me that some people think the only way to “save their image” or “keep their perfect family” is to murder people. Because that TOTALLY will save your image and family relationships…. 🤦🏻♀️
Most people who commit murder wouldn’t do it if they believed they would get caught. I guess murder might save their image and allow them to keep their perfect family if they didn’t get caught, and we will never know how many people are out there who that worked for. We only know about the ones who it didn’t.
I'm sorry but Saqib's family calling him kind and caring while knowing he was literally out blackmailing women and sleeping around is the weirdest shit. Only felt bad for Hashim.
sorry but this grown women groomed a teenage boy, i can assure you if this case the genders were swapped, all of sudden you guys wouldnt insult the boy who got murdered by a grown women who cheated
He didn't deserve to be murdered but to say he is kind and compassionate where he is literally blackmailing people and committing cyber crime. The poor soul here is his friend caught up in all this
He probably was kind and compassionate but it sounds like maybe his heart got broke and everyone knows that people act crazy over that. Especially an 18year old male who is hardly even an adult yet.
@@elainagilbert7663 Yes cause someone making deep fakes of minors and threatening entire families multiple times is totally a kind and compassionate person definitely not a manipulator putting on a face to those around them😂😂😂
@@andreaking2358 His heart didn't get broke he made a habit of targeting people did you not listen to the full video? He threatened other women like violently. And keep in mind he's making deep fakes of a minor in spreading them all over the internet no he's trash he was a predator trying to perfect his craft that just didn't get to that point.
He can be both things. People are complex and rarely two-dimensional. He might've been kind and compassionate with his friends/family. This is why when the family or close ones of abusers will so often say that person isn't capable of doing such a thing because with them they aren't. Nobody is all bad or all good.@@kateajurors8640
Can't even lie, it's hard to feel sympathy for a stalker/blackmailer. I only feel bad for his friend who drove him and didn't know he was friends with such a creep
@@AmyPieterseI literally stopped the video and asked “am I supposed to feel bad?” Like that’s insane for him to expect money. You don’t threaten to take EVERYTHING away from someone and think they’ll just be chill about it. At that point, they feel like they have nothing to lose since it could all go up in flames anyway. People’s swear others won’t top their crazy and end up like this. His friend was only there bc he was a genuinely good dude. Muhammad probably just wanted to play some boardgames. Everybody else can kick rocks
@_N2L_yeah, this whole situation is full of people making bad choices. It just goes to show that sometimes bad things escalate from affairs, to blackmail, to murder. Poor Hashim though. His only bad decision was having questionable friends.
@_N2L_okay but calling his behaviour and the things he did "a little odd" is still not okay?? Just because murder is WORSE than blackmailing, doesn't mean it isn't bad
@_N2L_it’s on the same level if it can make someone’s life completely fall apart. Now she was WRONG for even cheating on her husband in the first place, but he should’ve been smart and left instead of being stupid.
@@maryjane3713 i heard the whole transcript read and he was giving plenty of landmarks the dispatcher was purposefully combative and unhelpful, and the call was the length of most of the car chase and only ended when they crashed
Dying doesn't automatically make you a good person in life. We need to be honest about it. This abusive individual, just like the others involved in this crime (excluding Hashim), were not necessarily honorable human beings. It's offensive to use positive terms to describe someone who harassed, blackmailed, and abused, with the intention of making the audience feel compassion for such a person.
I always hate how people speak 100% positive about the dead. Sure, some had flaws, but ultimately were good people in life. HOWEVER, if a dead person was (let's say) an abuser or pedophile, how the fuck am I supposed to defend them????????
Yeah they’re dead, you should feel compassion for that on a human level, don’t dehumanize somebody because they were an imperfect person. come on now. Pull back on the judgement. Very Twitter minded lol
Just because he made some poor choices doesn't mean we shouldn't feel compassion for him. It's not like he killed someone or r***** them. She chose to be with and she should've faced the consequences of her actions instead of killing him. She should've gone to the police. Those two crimes are massively different and incomparable.
Instead of facing the consequences of her actions, this 44 year old woman gets ger daughter to murder her 18 year old lover and his friend. Gets her daughter and 5 others sent to prison, and breaks up her family. Instead of going to the police when the teenager threatens her with revenge porn, she enlists her daughter to murder. Absolutely disgusting. Her values are misplaced. And Poor Hashim. Completely innocent bystander loses his life. A grown ass woman would rather all these young people lose their lives than her lose face.
“Saqib’s actions were a little odd” is the understatement of the century. Violent misogynistic stalker who thinks he literally owns people repeatedly threatens an entire family… rest in peace Hashim, the real victim in all of this
@@TheUnluckyWandererhes 18 he has the ability to make his own decisions he decided to lie about his age he said he was 27 so he was not groomedhe also threatened a womans whole livelihoods he found her husbands phone number and messaged him and he blackmailed them for money to stop harassing their family no shade hes not the only one at fault the mom made the decision to cheat nd didnt want to take responsibility for it which is dumb they all deserve the consequences of their actions however i def dont think he or hashim deserved to be murdered however accotablity be fr hes not innocent
I'm just going to say two things. He was a 18 immature boy and she was a 44 full grown woman having an affair with a kid and try to imagine if the "he" was a "she" you guys would change all the narrative. That 44 old woman isn't the victim.
@@meowmixaly937 well if you change genders but not the blackmailing behavior then nothing changes, nobody should be stalked and harassed just as no one should be violently murdered regardless gender. Also after 18 you are legally an adult bearing criminal responsibility and stalking is literally a crime, while relationship with adult is not.
Quitting college to make ridiculous TikTok’s, cheating on your loving husband for a second time , asking friends to end someone’s life, this family is FULL of great ideas
He didn't deserve to be murdered, but I think MORE emphasis needs to be on how he seemingly stalked/followed prior to the affair, screenshot & saved explicit photos without consent, blackmailed a person with said explicit photos threatening to made them PUBLIC to get a relationship. This is beyond the murderers wanting to "save their image". He threatened to make nude pics go viral. He was abusive. Going beyond this case, there are cases out there that even when victims called the cops on such threats, the cops either ignored, slut shame the victim, or took insufficient actions and gave the perpetrator time to actually post the pics.
THIS. My mum had an abusive partner for years and even when he tried to kill her and my baby brother, the police did nothing at all. When called they literally said "We don't have time for that. If you want to feel safe, go get a gun" 🙄
I think there’s a lot of context needed in this case. I’m in the US and I was stalked by a former friend who wanted more and he attacked me. I had evidence galore and they did nothing. The police just said they couldn’t help me. For quite a while I slept with a shotgun by my bed because I would call the police and say he was at my house and I was afraid and they wouldn’t come. Then my ex stalked me for several years after I left. Again, no help. I’m not saying murder is ok, but I’ve been in the place where I was prepared to do whatever it took to save my own life. The number of calls and the context of those calls from the “victim” is extremely telling.
I can't feel bad for a stalker, blackmailer, abuser and someone willing to post revenge porn dying while trying to do that stuff. But his friend I do. He is a victim. I was stalked for 8 years and no-one would/could help. It's a living nightmare. Why didn't the stalker tell the emergency services why they were chasing him? That he was just trying to collect blackmail money in an empty parking lot?
I feel the same. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Maybe dying is a little extreme but when you’re the victim of these people is a nightmare that won’t stop until they do. The friend tho, it’s horrible. The stalker dragged an innocent man for no reason.
Thank you! Everyone seems to be glossing over this just because he died. He wouldn’t have even been in that car chase to begin with if he hadn’t been stalking and threatening someone.
@Annie640 EXACTLY!! It's kind of confusing to me how everyone seems to be looking right past his behaviors and actions...of course he shouldn't have been murdered but he was not a "nice" guy or good person.
Exactly he caused his own death, the only victim imo is the other guy. You want to go around threatening people and blackmailing them don't act surprised when they do something stupid (not saying what she did was ok)
I know what they all did was terrible but the 999 call was so strange.. how can you say “no you’re not” to someone calling for help describing the situation? The person should be held accountable.
they should’ve thought about (even if they didn’t know or hear the person driving) the fact that there MIGHT be another person in the car with the caller and the lives at stake..
The operator probably heard the guy’s name and didn’t want to cooperate. It happens often to Muslims just because people are islamophobic. Overall, the situation and everyone involved are terrible.
These dispatchers should NOT be allowed to treat any call like this. It's their job to get facts and send help, not argue over details like if the phone is charged or whether or not they personally believe someone is in danger. The amount of times I've heard these emergency calls where the operator sarcastically talks back, hangs up, dismisses someone, argues with them, or claims it's a prank when there is obvious distress is TOO HIGH and they should be held accountable imo.
She does that a lot( that Japanese daughter dad dup one, the guy they k!lled was banned from multiple clubs, and had a rep of SAing woman, yet she left out that info and presented him as a outgoing social butterfly, even tho he was literally cheating on his wife, SAing woman, it made no sense) Even though her stories are mostly told from an unbiased place, she still ends up choosing a side, mostly the victims so it's ok but always tries to present victim from a rose tinted perspective, your victim can be horrible and still remain a victim, it's ok
@@adititripathi01 just watched dad and daughter duo video and then this, absolutely agree with you. murder is bad obviously, but to frame a rapist as a nice guy just bc he was killed?! absolutely insane behavior. i dont even think the girl was that evil, shes mentally ill and was assaulted, to say it was a pleasure kill just so weird
It's infuriating that ppl are downplaying his blackmail, revenge prn, stalking and harassment. Sure he didn't deserve to get k!ll because of it, and both the mom and daughter deserved to be locked up in jail for what they did, but what he did is also 100% wrong, there's no way to justify it. I just hope that you put more emphasis on how bad his behavior was, that's all i want. This video put a bad taste in my mouth since i've been harassed and stalked by my ex and i couldn't do anything bc in my country the police and ppl around me don't see stalking as a serious problem, i felt so helpless at that time, but fortunately i got lucky bc i guess he got bored and he finally left me alone. But i know other ppl are not as fortunate as i am. I wish there was a harsher punishment to stop ppl from doing this evil crime.
Agreed, calling the type of behaviour that made me move to another country to get away, as "a little odd" is ridiculous and delusional. He was terrorising these women and even dragging people into it who had nothing to do with the affair. I don't consider him a loss to the world, but rather one less evil for women to be cautious of.
Saying his behavior was a "little odd" is undermining his criminal and gross actions, true. Most people agree and the comment section are talking about the seriousness of his actions, but I think is not more mentioned in the video because he is already dead so there's nothing that the justice system can do(not that they do something about it when it comes to victims, unfortunately). So the news and yt videos are focusing more in what is happening rn and on the people who are still breathing.
Also the title of this video is ridiculous. They weren't just trying to 'save their online image/career'. So many victims of revenge p0rn fall into severe depression or end up unaliving themselves while the one harassing almost never faces any consequences. Just because he's dead doesn't mean i feel sorry for him.
Play stupid games, win stupid prices. What did she expect him to be a good person when he's fucking around with a known married woman? Both of them were nasty fucking people, except one is a murderer.
Honestly im feeling for Hashim because honestly he had no involvement in the whole ordeal, he was just helping a friend and that cost him his life; condolences to the family. Thanks Stephanie and team for this episode.
25:00 the operator is actually insane wtf. A person is clearly expressing fear and that they are in danger but the operator was doubting him? It’s actually so discombobulating.
@driplikeasink2441 See that's the thing, he had already harrassed another woman. Any other future woman he harrassed could've also called her friends to help her retaliate.
@@JustAS1nk you can blame a woman for the actions of a man all you want, but men are responsible for what they do. "if she stayed loyal" fuuuuuck that.
I'm conflicted on him, but I feel so bad for his friend. He really had done nothing wrong and got killed for wanting to help his friend who knowingly involved him in a risky situation, just because he didn't want to drive himself.
This is stupid because revenge porn is illegal in the uk so if they went to the police about the blackmailing he would've been charged and they wouldn’t say anything to the family about the affair for confidentiality! Murder is worse than having an affair!
I AGREE IF They never died i think her infedility story would hav stayed confident and saqquib could have ben punished the proper way cause blackmailing is illegal but going 100 miles an hour and ordering cars ro slam into saqquib and his friend is asking for someone to be dead .. there wasf just tooo much evidence that it was pre-meditated thats why the sentecnes were harsh
@@akgonen60 I know it's so mind blowing! And like they didn't even seem remorseful! So dangerous too easily could've cause other people to crash too! I would be devastated if someone died because of me! 💔
The mother was honestly very very very selfish not considering her family, her husband, daughter and son. However the boy was terrible. All this could have possibly been avoided had the mother and daughter gone to the police and reported
Caring, kind, and compassionate does not accurately describe someone who stalked, abused, and blackmailed. Those actions were not “a little odd” Stephanie. You have to also take into account the mother is someone who lives in a conservative house surrounded by a conservative community. She was married off at a young age to someone she likely didn’t know and had to start having babies. I’m not saying affairs are ok at all. I am saying context is needed. There is a lot of stigma in more conservative communities and having the revenge porn released wouldn’t just mean the end of her marriage, but possibly the end of her entire social structure. The “victim” wasn’t a good person. That’s black and white I’m sorry. He didn’t deserve to die, but I’ve been on the other end of a stalker’s obsession. Police often don’t do much. I was convinced he would eventually kill me and I’m still as anonymous as possible online just so he doesn’t suddenly remember I exist enough to start stalking me again. Context is necessary for this case and I disagree with your takes.
I agree. Describing the stalker's actions as "a little odd" is vastly and almost insultingly making light of his actions. While I'm not saying that he needed to die for his actions, time and again, police have been shown to be next to useless in helping the victim of stalkers and the legal system is ill equipped to protect the poor men and women that are victims of this type of crime. It's not as black and white as Stephanie is making it out to be. The only truly innocent person was the friend that was driving the car.
and he has harassed another woman before as well. Like it's obvious he is an awful human being that would have probably continued harassing the mom and her whole family even if he got the money just because his fragile ego was hurt. "A little odd" is never something you use to describe revenge corn, blackmail and literal stalking. What the women did was definitely wrong but i do understand because they probably also knew this nightmare wouldn't end regardless.
Yea the entire story is horrible, but their (mom and daughter) crazy plan was based on extreme fear from being blackmailed. No one was being reasonable!
Hard agree, that was an odd take. In the community they live in, where obviously everyone thought jumping someone to teach them a lesson is a perfectly reasonable thing to do on a random weekend, you don't know what the consequences for the mom from this blackmailing would have been. From some incidents in the Muslim community in my country and the group around her that we know of, she might have had legitimate fears for her own life and safety. Of course, you shouldn't murder someone or have extramarital affairs, but this might have been a situation that is hard to understand for someone who wasn't part of this group or ever in such a situation. My cousin had a dangerous stalker once, and we all took turns staying with her until he was put into jail, which was a long time. I am glad we live in a community where we were able to talk about it openly, he was just her obsessed neighbour with whom she had coffee one time, but if he had attacked her again and I was there, I don't know if I wouldn't have given him a less than gentle bump with my car.
the ONLY person i feel bad for is the friend, who was innocent and shouldn't have been dragged into his stupid friend's affairs. the guy (blackmailer) shouldn't have been trying to extort and try to threaten to share revenge P word of the mom. which is also a CRIME by the way. he suffered the consequences of his OWN actions when he tried to commit a crime against her. and this is not a justification to the mom or daughter either. they're going to do their time and suffer their own consequences as well. everybody (minus the friend/driver) sucks here.
You all have such good points. You’re both right. I feel sorry for mahek’s family excluding her mum that’s trash (I know them personally). I also feel sorry for hashim
@@satokodragonno he’s was actually set free from horrible people who would lie, scheme and go as far as murder to save the neck of a liar. All she had to do was face her actions and ended up having the entire internet rip her to shreds along with the justice system … I hope the dad spends the rest of his life traveling and enjoying life beauty without the dead weight.
..... yeah I also feel sorry for the girl that the driver of the car which ran them off the girl raped...didn't you hear that part? The 44 year old women had an affair that lasted more than 2 years with a *barely adult* male, and then was not willing to suffer the consequences of her actions. She could have just reported him. Having an affair isn't illegal.
I wouldn’t describe his action’s as a “little odd”. He was threatening violence, manipulative, blackmailing, extorting. And cheating doesnt mean you deserve any of those treatments. Also, doing any of those things doesnt mean someone can go ahead and murder you, but it doesnt sit right with me to call his violent behavior towards women “a little odd” just because he died. He sounded abusive.
Thank you! I completely agree. I saw some comments saying "oh but he was young." He was 18 at the beginning of the affair and had done it to someone else and kept it going until he was 21. He KNEW exactly what he was doing, got off on it, and felt he could do it again. He definitely would've been a abusive repeat offender.
What he did was horrible, and yes it mattered that he is 18. A grown woman was having sex with essentially a teenager. She eventually knew his age and continued with the affair; there was a power imbalance I like how if this was a woman everyone would take her age into account, and say exactly what I wrote. She is a murderer, and so is her daughter. She had another affair and decided to agree to murder an 18 year old and his friend in order to cover up her predatory behavior toward a literal teenager. He didn’t deserve to die, but the fact that this entire comment is more about him than his murderers speaks volumes.
How do you know? He would be a repeat offender? What about the power imbalance with a literal teenager and a middle aged woman? Two people died and you’re more concerned about him being a repeat offender rather than the obviously perverted relationship a grown woman had with a young man. We will never know, because he is dead.
I just feel bad for Hasheem. Like the rest of the people are anywhere from "kinda' twisted" to "what the heck is going on with them???" But it didn't seem like Hashim did anything particularly wrong, and cannabis can be used for more than just recreational properties, oh, and the son. His experience must have been terrifying considering he didn't know what the heck was happening.
I followed this case on tiktok and found it so upsetting, horrifying and disturbing especially as a British Muslim myself - so glad you are covering it!!
I don’t feel sorry for him. He was doing evil by sleeping with a married woman & then harassing them . Nobody in this situation is innocent other than the friend who had no clue what was going on
The guy wasn't "kind and compassionate" and what he did wasn't "a little odd". He was garbage of a person who viciously stalked and blackmailed his ex with revenge porn, because whatever punishment he would get should she go to police would pale to the consequences it would have on her life. He was selfish enough to involve his friend in his degenerate blackmailing plot. He didn't deserve to get killed, but don't expect anyone to shed tears over his fate.
That's his family though. His family said that and what else do you expect them to say?????? Also, he was very young and stupid, just like the majority of people involved. None of that justifies any of their actions, but the true evils are the people who took lives. He did something evil as well, but he a young person dealing with a horrible women who had a big advantage over him mentally. I definitely see where you're coming from, but majority of the anger should be placed on the mom(she's GROWN and should have never let any of this happen) and the drivers who ran them off the road.
He was barely legal when they met and she was a grown woman. Are you serious? It’s not completely unforeseen that a YOUNG person would react the way he did especially since he was used for his body and money. She is damn near a pedophile
The only one for whom i feel sorry is a poor friend that suffered for just being a friend. I don’t justify murder and it’s awful. However if you decide to constantly blackmail someone you must be ready for any reaction it might cause. And this reaction only limited to how far a person will go.
hashim and saqib were childhood freinds they met in school when they were 5 they werent close tho like not at all hashim only saw him once every few yrs thats why@@pineapplesandvibes3277
Idk, I know murder is not the solution, but the dude fucked around and found out is all I'm saying 🤷 Don't blackmail and emotionally abuse and extort people and then act surprised that they react how they react. I'd say the same thing if the victim was a woman. It's hard for me to feel bad for the dude ngl
Stephanie I love your content but I think calling the mother evil for cheating while the affair partner (AF) "a little odd" for stalking, harassing, blackmailing, etc really disappointing. :( Downplaying his actions as that is and can be really harmful to impressionable minds and is really disrespectful to people who are victims of blackmailing & revenge corn as well. You need to know he's also done this to someone who's innocent. He is not a victim. He creates them instead.
This is not an easy subject to touch up on, especially when you’re trying to balance it out without making it sound like the man deserved to be murdered. I think that if Stephanie has spoken up on misogyny before in the past, it’s obvious that she does not stand for it. It’s a hard case to explain to someone without making it sound like you’re picking a side because BOTH parties involved were in the wrong.
@@billie-sx6fb oh no don’t get me wrong! I know what she’s said in past podcasts about stuff. I’m not saying that she should hold her pitchforks up. I’m saying she shouldn’t demonise the mom but not doing the same for AF 😅
When the woman didnt do this it wouldnt happen. I think why she is calling her evil ,cause just because of her own fault and want to keep her image she killed somebody.. so for me,its not mean that she called her evil. Dont do things that always will have consequenzes spezielly dont kill nobody for ur mistake. Period
@atifqureshi9257 You're clearly ignoring the part where he lied about his age....Siqib was dependent on her but was sending her expensive gifts 24/7? "lured", but came to her first...🙄 He was old enough to know what he was doing was wrong.
@atifqureshi9257 Yes you did, you're painting this biased image of him, "immature 18" like that's suppose to mean anything....He was mature enough to lie, blackmail and take advantage of someone, not his first time doing it either. Once again, she was in the thought process of thinking he was 27. Which is beyond the age of full development and maturity...He spent money on his own free will. It looks like you forgot the part when she started rejecting the gifts multiple times and he keep insisting...And she rejected him multiple times. She never asked for gifts. Seriously, it's like you didn't even listen to the story 😂 He was nowhere near dependent on her, AT ALL.
So this guy stalked, harassed, blackmailed, posted deepfakes of the daughter online(when she wasnt even involved!) and threatened to post revenge p0rn, why exactly should I feel bad for him? Sounds like he fucked around and found out🤷♀️
Why not go to the cops ? Just I don't get that part Its illegal for blackail why not go to the cops why depend on the daughter and go along with the murder plot That's insane
@@akgonen60Dude, cops can’t do anything in that situation. All you’re going to get is more judgment. Your comment is SUCH an easy thing to say when you’re not the one being victimized.
But the other guy didn’t deserve to die. And that 911 operator should be held just as responsible bc if she would have just done her job and listened to where they were, then they might’ve been saved.
It's so crazy to me that this was literally the Moms fault, and communication was NEVER a factor in this?? Like, seriously murder is the first solution to the cheating crazy ex problem?? Not talking to someone that could help but killing a person? He is 100% awful for blackmail and the constant emotional abuse but oh my gosh he had to die cause of it? Not get arrested or anything? Idk, I might be wrong but that jumps over so much stuff.
Honestly, I think when you do stuff like that [extortion] you don’t get to decide how people react. He effed around and found out, sometimes you mess with the wrong person 🤷🏻♀️
@@vincenoir4756she was still cheating tho while being married and it wasn’t even her first time cheating she knew what she was doing. I’m not saying the guy isn’t at fault, but the mom is also to blame. Either way, killing someone’s isn’t a solution. It’s better to tell the police and let them handle it.
Killing two people just to help her mom hide an affair and save her career?!? So disgusting! And I know that her mom was getting blackmailed but still! Thanks Stephanie for covering this case
@@Llamacoints All about Daddy's money and his family's entitlement to use him as an ATM. Mom has affairs. Daughter helps her cover for it. They don't want daddy to find out.
Stephanie, I usually love your coverage of these cases but I feel a little put off by this one. 100% none the victims deserved to die, and both mother and daughter should pay for planning and commiting murder. However, I feel that it is not right to completely brush off the stalking, harassment and revenge porn (even the deep fakes) as "a little odd" and instead present him as a kind and compassionate person when his actions only show that he was a misogynistic, selfish and abusive liar who thought he could get away with blackmailing his ex bc she broke up with him. Does it mean he should've been killed? No, absolutely not. But let's not present him as a nice and kind person when in reality he wasn't. As others have mentioned the only true innocent victim here is his friend that died by being nice and offering to give him a ride.
This is not an easy subject to touch up on, especially when you’re trying to balance it out without making it sound like the man deserved to be murdered. I think that if Stephanie has spoken up on misogyny before in the past, it’s obvious that she does not stand for it. It’s a hard case to explain to someone without making it sound like you’re picking a side because BOTH parties involved were in the wrong.
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 it's the way she simplifies this as something that can be done with just 'reporting to the police' when you know police doesn't exactly have best record to handle cases like this. what the mom does is awful, but his action is definitely not 'a little odd' as what steph did say about his behavior. undermining what he does is like literally ??? to every victim of stalking out there who doesn't resort to murder which is not okay
I feel it is not right to brush off the fact that a 44 year old woman was having sex with an 18 year old, and had been for a prolonged period so the affair may well have began when he was under 18 and so according to the laws of the UK a *CHILD*. Which part of 44 year old women having sex with a person who was a teenager and she found out was a teenager but still had sex with him is wrong do you not understand?
@@elle4246 You keep going on about her as though she was some kind of innocent victim. She was 44 *having sex with an 18 year and did not stop even when she found out that he was about the same age as her daughter*. Which part of that does not scream "selfish and morally depraved" to you? I don't care if the "police don't have a good record". That's an excuse. She could have reported it. Her daughter could have reported it.They never even tried, instead they planned a murder, and bought together a group of their criminal friends (one of whom was a rapist) and carried it out in a manner which endangered the lives of the pubic (its a miracle they didn't cause a major accident chasing somone one a public highway) and took the life of an innocent person.
The fact that they all saw the accident happen, even drove back past it and didn't try to help or call for help.... then went for a little stroll means to me they should all be punished.
I'm from the UK and have been following this case for a while and the whole situation is so cursed, the narcissm of the daughter, the emotional immaturity of the mum, the stupidity of the blackmailer (though he didn't remotely deserve what happened to him), the whole thing is so pointlessly awful, a bunch of lives destroyed over so little.
@@eavocado5890pppj the fact that y'all have more empathy towards men like him than towards the mother (as if he isn't 10x worse) tells me everything i need to know lol
Murdering = fixing your image 🤦♀️ It's honestly just disgusting how they could kill someone just to keep that 'perfect' family image. No family is perfect, especially if family members kill someone.
If you look at it She Muslim and the guy made a defake of her in a sexual way and if you a Muslim it very frown down a pond. Yes it maybe fake but you know how people on the internet is
@@eveelee4152Lmao Islam is currently the most violent religion to exist. And a woman's purity not only before marriage but after it is so important in Islamic nations that women's lives are taken over it regularly. If this woman was from a fundamentalist Muslim family, she could have feared that her husband or male family members might murder her to restore the honor of the family name due to her actions. So she decided to restore her honor on her own and murder the man threatening her image within the community. It's always a twisted mess in traditional and religious cultures, because all of them treat women as disposable if they are anything less than perfect, and they take serious action against women in particular who cheat. And the fact that her family married her off to some guy when she was only young shows me that she's definitely from the kind of Muslim family that would take her actions super seriously since they seem to follow custom. It doesn't justify this guy's death, but all I'm saying is that Islam definitely influenced her actions here due to its obsessions with the ownership of women's bodies by men in a way that often leads to either the murder of the adulterous woman, her partner, or both. There isn't any such thing as letting bygones be bygones when it comes to cheating in Islamic culture. Someone's gonna pay.
Did u even watch the whole video?? Stop making light of the situation. He was threatening to post NUDES without consent. It's literal crime. Do u know how many women haved k!lled themselves over this? The level of damage this does to a muslim women is like borderline r@pe.
1. Her mum having an affair twice was wrong . Nothing justifies it 2. The guy blackmailing the mum was in the wrong and was basically digging his own grave(not saying he deserved to die) The best option would have been to either report to the authorities that she was being blackmailed . Committing murder especially when you left too many evidence isn’t going to protect her mum and her career. Her videos being leaked at least wouldn’t land her in prison
How about don’t cheat and especially with someone 17 years younger . She is a predator! If the genders were reversed the age gap would definitely not be brushed off like this.
Having an affair if you’re in an arranged marriage isn’t as bad as having an affair in a normal marriage where you’re cheating on someone that you chose. If you want someone to marry you without even meeting you first and not even knowing if you’re compatible or not, I think you’re lying to yourself if you really expect NOT to get cheated on. She was a young girl who didn’t get the chance to be a young adult when she was one. And they didn’t choose each other so they don’t owe each other anything in that sense. They do owe each other honesty just because of how entangled their lives are, especially after having kids together. But you can’t be offended at getting cheated on in an arranged marriage to the same extent that you’d be offended at getting cheated on by someone who fell in love with you and chose to be with you.
@@emmanarotzky6565 wrong, cheating is cheating. At anytime you can say no before getting married. If you sneak around behind a significant other back and sleep around keeping it secret their is no excuse, no mental gymnastics to make it “ ok.” Nice try tho.
@@emmanarotzky6565 oh yes your comment says a lot about you. I sense some self injection in your comment. Maybe you are trying to justify to yourself why cheating is ok? Just remember this comment of yours if you get cheated on, don’t feel hurt because after all you said here it’s ok 👍.
I'm from México, here Saqid could have faced legal consecuences for his p0rn revenge blackmailing since they had proof, this is a bit weird for me that apparentley not all countries have laws for this...? Even so called 1st world countries?
In France we have laws against it. But the cops just wont take your plaint. They shut you off and makes you feel shame about you. Even teenage girls. Cops here won't even take plaints against s.a... Very sad
Hi your absolutely are right I'm from UK. All the ladies had to do was report it to the police. The police would have arrested Saqib for blackmailing. It's awful 2 life's were taken. Here in the UK I live in a different city. But where these ladies are from people want them to be released. How awful is that. But they are not getting out anytime soon. The mom got 21 years and the daughter got 23 years in jail.
@@bubbles5599 there's also a cultural issue too. Even if she went to the police, the husband would have found out. She could lie all she wanted but there's still the shame seen in the community. I'm not saying all Desi people are like this, but it is common in some communities. Women who don't want to marry someone or who have a boyfriend are killed out of "honor." The wife and daughter could have faced that. It doesn't excuse what they did but that's most likely why they did it. I'm also not saying the husband would for sure do that but he could have. An "accident" could be arranged for them. Just how easily the daughter got a group of people to take out the guy, that could happen to them. Again, not excusing their behavior, just explaining. I've seen reports of girls killed because they spoke out against someone assaulting them. Nothing happened to the man and her own family set her on fire. It's not apart of any religion and it's not exclusive to any culture.
@@lulufan100 Hi I just like to say thank you for your reply which I found very educational. I have a open mind and heart. I really thank you for explaining to me in detail. As knowledge is all ways good to learn from others your words deeply moved me. And your so kind to take the time to explain. I'm always ready to learn about culture and it meant a lot to me. I love you compassion and deeply a genuine person you are. Thank. You from my heart I hope you have a beautiful start to your week ahead may God bless you and keep you safe and protected and always shine on your face and shower you with many blessings ahead. I truly appreciate your wisdom. What a lovely kind person you are. I hope I never offended you my intention was supposed to be good but I'm glad you made me see things in a more productive way lovely thank you xxxx
@@lulufan100 I agree with you but antagonizing the father in the situation isn't a good point at all. You're basically just accusing him of abusing the wife in the marriage, along with you saying how he "could have" done what the mom and daughter did without any proof but only assumptions
His behavior was not a little odd, it was massively wrong. He didn't have to die but he effed around with the wrong one and found out. I only feel bad for his friend and his friend's family.
The mother and the affair are both wrong. It's interesting how they're reactions are to kill someone instead of dealing with their issues, and consequences of their actions. Non of these people are good people.
Stephanie your comments about the blackmailer’s actions were very disappointing. Threatening someone to post revenge po /rn and making deepfakes of their daughter is more than just a little odd.
I am sure we all know and stephanie agrees but the man is dead and she probably didn’t want to ill talk about him. Obviously blackmailing is f**ked and the mom and daughter can’t really get blamed for reacting in fear but they shouldn’t have murdered him especially when his innocent friend was there
you guys are doing the most on this video tbh, you know she already has to choose her words carefully to avoid legal action, she’s not perfect, she can’t choose her words to please you guys too
Stephanie his behavior is not just a “little odd” and “maybe” needed to be punished. Imagine his behaviors were targeted towards your sister or someone you love, absolutely disgusting and disturbing not a little odd. Yes, the women was wrong for literally murdering to cover her own ass and her actions but he was not a sweet little angel.
She just used the wrong words to describe it and you already know she’s not defending the blackmail since the main topic is murder idiot and I find it disgusting that you said to imagine that happening to one of her family members
This is just Stephanie walking on eggshells. Ever since she got called out for being the insensitive youtuber that talks about the worst crimes imaginable while stuffing her face with a burger, she has been careful with what she posts online. So no matter the side, she tries to remain unbias. Even if the "victim" in this case happened to be a serial rap;st, Stephanie would still refuse to talk about him in a negative light.
she never said he was an angel. but his crimes in comparison to what happened to him and his friend? i think there are bigger issues than just using euphemisms.
Did you actually listen to the video? The driver of the car which rammed Hasim off the road *was a convicted rapist* and didn't even have a liscence. Its not some poor wickle innocent woman wreaking vengeance, its a woman who doesn't want to face the consequences her actions and gets together a posse which included a convicted rapist who endangered multiple lives on the road and then murdered two people.
@@englishlady9797 What does any of that have to do with the fact that the person they killed was a POS and his parents should not have called him kind or compassionate either?
@@luskaneseprince What does any of that have to do with the fact that she was a serial cheater who allowed the guy to spend thousands of pounds on her, and then had sex with him after finding out he was a teenager. What does any of that have to do with the fact that they chose to get into a car with a man who didn't have a licence and another who was high on drugs, and drive along a public highway at *100mph* before ramming someone off the road on the basis of mere hearsay? If they had caused accident and killed some inncent motorist (which they did anyway the *DRIVER OF THE CAR WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT* , they would be facing a lengthy prison sentence anyway for driving illegally, driving under the Influence of drugs, and death by dangerous driving. Did Hasid deserve to die for her wounded pride? i guess you consider him collateral damage. His family didn;t know what he was like. They didn;t have that information: same as the woman's husband didn't know she was a cheating, selfish cow.
How did the mom and her daughter not check the company they kept? The driver of one of the cars which rammed him off the road raped a 17 year old girl. He also didn't have a license and half of them were high.
Stephanie I wonder if you would find the guy's behaviour just "a little odd" if he wasn't murdered? If you read about someone doing this (blackmail and revenge porn threats) to another person who didn't resort to murder, wouldn't you judge those actions harsher? It's criminal behaviour. Who knows how much farther he would have gone with another person? Let's not gloss over his behaviour just because he was murdered. Murder is definitely wrong but so were his actions
I also dislike her saying that the revenge porn of her daughter was mom's fault. Like, in what way did her affair okay sexual violence against her daughter? This story is much more nuanced than how Stephanie tells it.
This is not an easy subject to touch up on, especially when you’re trying to balance it out without making it sound like the man deserved to be murdered. I think that if Stephanie has spoken up on misogyny before in the past, it’s obvious that she does not stand for it. You have to realize that as a influenceer, you have to be careful of what you say. It’s a hard case to explain to someone without making it sound like you’re picking a side because BOTH parties involved were in the wrong. Though he definitely deserved something for his horrible horrible actions, murder is not and will never be the answer- which is her main point in all of her videos. She is not downplaying what he did and the damage he put the family through, but she is focusing more on the fact that murder is never right.
@@billie-sx6fb I think we can still watch and respect Stephanie while providing criticism when needed. I know that Stephanie is a feminist but everyone has subconscious biases from the society they grew up in. If I made half as many videos as her I probably would have accidentally shown my ignorance plenty of times. I'm not trying to cancel Stephanie just providing feedback about something that made me uncomfortable.
@@camofrogs-gf It is understandable to why you felt uncomfortable. I think it was worded a bit weirdly aswell, but I don’t think she meant to put it in the viewpoint that she doesn’t believe what he did was all that bad. I’ve been scrolling through comments and seeing people take it out of context and over, such as claiming that she is misogynistic when that is most definitely not true. Of course though, you are allowed to feel a bit off from it, but I just wanted to help those realize that this most definitely not the case and it’s just not as easy to explain
yeah cheating is wrong but let’s not forget her situation, she was raised in a very conservative religious environment, it was an arranged marriage. i don’t think we can put that on the same place as stalking, blackmailing, threatening with revenge p*rn, he was an abuser and who knows what he would have done was he still alive.
@@RainDropDrop22 Indeed she is. But because of her sitting in jail, we got one less misogynist in the world, so I'm not going to start feeling bad for him.
@astertataricus. She is a lying cheating homicidal pos. She is evil. You are having a mental breakdown over her just because she is a woman. The guy wasn't a good person at all but the mother...she is a monster. I feel bad for the husband.
what she literally murdered him how is that ok??? she even brought her daughter into this shit?? she couldve reported it, but nope haha lets just do murder which will destroy our reputation even more!!! she knew what she was getting into when she had an affair with an 18yo, she was selfish, both sides are shit, and nobody is innocent except for mehak's father and brother, and Hashim.@@astertataricus.
People saying him threatening her was the “consequences” of the mother’s actions feels icky. Like in no way it’s normal for someone to post someone else’s nudes even in this situation. It’s someone’s privacy. You can tell the husband without threatening to show her naked body to the public. Ofc she’s a bad person and literally killed someone, that’s why we’re here but let’s not normalize revenge p0r*n.
I really feel bad for the guy who drove the blackmailer. He's Muslim trying to do good deeds but ends up getting set up and offed. P.S I really love Rotten mangos videos, but it sometimes takes process to understand. :) I apologize if anyone got offended of me using "Muslim" whether or not it had anything to do with Hashim. I am Muslim myself, and I appreciate anyone's concern about this 💝
Steph I'm no blaming game..and killing is didn't justified their actions...but I'm telling you how terrifying it is to get threatened by someone blackmailing another one.. coz you've felt so helpless..😢😢just like how it felt by that influencer..it's not about her reputations as influencer but the thought of being blackmailed is indeed terrifying.. ..who knows what the ex-bf could do if that thing didn't happen..?..
I agree. The way Stephanie explained it was rubbed me the wrong was because its not like what he was doing at the moment and previously doing isn't a legit crime that can harm someone.
That's why they should go to police from the beginning, but they take the matter in their own hand which honestly not better than threatening. If the guy live he should be punished to for blackmailing and all the crime he did. But he died nothing can be done to him anymore
@@Zhizhuzye going to the police will give him plenty times to post it and then he'll get a slap on the wrist cuz he's 18. Thats how jailbait hoes operates. Not saying murder is correct but going to police will only benefit him not her
I know all of us have heard this from our parents before, but this highlights be careful who u hang out with, we can never know truly of someone’s evil intentions…
The real victim here seems to be Hasheem (the guy's driver) who just wanted to lend a helping hand and got caught up in a war between apathetic, senseless people.
This is a case of “f*ck around and find out”. He terrorized women, and finally met his match.. I have no empathy for that monster. The world is better off without him. But, it is unfortunate that the friend was killed too.
Seems like you have forgotten that the mom and daughter were involved with him. They both are cheaters. Based on your comment you support these whores these good for nothing women. They all knew what they were doing. So you calling Saqeeb a monster is totally biased because women like them dont deserve life either. They willingly cheated. They were living secrets lives. Keep the affair. Since you are a woman, you will say anything to defend women no matter how horrible they are. You leave out their cheating. They brought this upon themselves. Women hates to admit when they are wrong
true. but at the same time, if im not mistaken, the friend did follow him to receive blackmailed money, the friend condoned his behavior and helped to an extent.
@@susantpyI don’t know if you watched the video too, but his friend had no idea what was happening, he just thought he was driving a friend to get something from the supermarket.
I was very shocked at what you called the stalker. His behaviour was much more than just "a little odd" and I know that doesn't justify murder but his actions were absolutely disgusting. Also, poor Hashim. He thought he was just doing a friend a favour but littlw did he know he would lose his life that day, not even his fault.
Honestly I think when you do stuff like this [extortion] you don’t get to decide how people react. Sounds like he played a game of FAFO and messed with the wrong person 🤷🏻♀️ if he didn’t try and ruin her life he’d still be here
I don't condone what they did to him and he didn't deserve to die but the amount of people, stephanie included, blaming the mum for cheating is gross to me. He had a history of harassing and threatening women with violence and revenge porn, having an affair does not make that acceptable
are you seriously trying to justify murder in this situation? you sound like somebody that's going to be the subject of one of these videos in the future
@@jeollabackwhen did I justify it ? I said you don’t get to decide how people respond .. and he messed with the wrong person, he’s dead because he tried to extort someone and ruin their life, and that’s how she responded
@@jeollaback wow, you got some great reading comprehension there that youd threaten a random stranger from the internet to be in a crime video. what a weirdo
Hot take. Don’t blackmail. Everyone (but the driver friend) in this story is an awful person. You threaten someone’s means of earning you deserve everything that’s coming towards you.
I feel sorry for the friend who got out in a real shit position. But honestly, I feel no emotion for the blackmailer/stalker. Maybe that makes me an awful person but his messages were horrendous and he sounded like he was willing to ruin lives any way he could.
I used to get annoyed by the husband but then realized how lost i would be without his questions 😂 she gets ahead of herself and thinks we are there with her 😂
I can't understand why she woulddo this for her PUBLIC IMAGE like if the secret gets out, sure it'll make things hard. But if people find out about you MURDERING 2 PEOPLE, that's going to make your public image disgusting! and people would hate you.
This is the only video where I feel like Stephanie forgets what the real world is like. A victim of blackmailing that is a woman should just “go to the police”? When has that ever worked out for us. For victims of blackmail, they DO feel like having to unalive the perpetrator is the only way out. They likely won’t face charges and by snitching on them, you’ve just angered the man enough to leak their personal videos. The blackmailer met his fate and I’m glad it’s one less incel roaming the earth. May the real victims stay well serving their sentences. The worst thing she did was cheat (yes it’s bad but doesn’t warrant blackmail). He escalated the situation all on his own by deciding it was a good idea to abuse women. I guess he met his match. May he rot in his grave. Stephanie, we love you but let’s not forget this is a man’s world. Women are no longer waiting around for the fists to fall on them. Police rarely do their job appropriately. We cannot depend on them.
Going to the police would’ve been the better choice than letting her daughter get revenge. Not only did it ruin her life they also killed an innocent guy that wasn’t involved in anything.
Steph, I understand the idea of naming videos in an eye-catching way. However, the title entirely takes away the nuance nature of the case - one of the murder victim threatened revenge porn. He threatened to harm himself. He allegedly threatened another woman to get his way. Anyone who had/have been on the receiving end of such threats know how absolutely terriying these are. I do not condone murder, but by taking away the terror these threats bring is just misleading.
Genuinely how would you rename the title? Not being sarcastic. If the video was about him and his gross ways, or focused on how he got himself killed by threatening and blackmail, then the title would be naming him and his actions. But is a video focused on the family, girl, who did the crime. Again, does not justify his behavior and actions.
Yeah this is about more than just saving their reputation.. Especially given that they could have expected little help from authorities. There's no excuse for cold blooded murder but yeah there is more nuance to this imo.
UK has cameras everywhere, especially on the dual carriage way and motorways. I'm shocked that they would think they could get away with this car crash. Just like walking around cameras cover everything, including house cameras. Life sentences usually mean seventeen years, but these sentences were to send a message to others in my humble opinion.
Glad ppl pointing out the 18 year old wasnt an innocent angel. In cases like this the one stalking and threatening someone especially an ex lover with sexual blackmail ends up killing the person who wants to get out of the relationship. That crash he died in was pretty biblical and the other party also got what they deserved.. no mercy for all these grown adults who should have more sense and conflict resolution skills. 😅
I honestly think that man’s death was inevitable. If this mother daughter duo hadn’t murdered him then someone else would have. People who have experienced being stalked and blackmailed often feel like there is no way out, especially since police are usually no help unless something severe happens first to the victim. The desperation to get out of a scary situation can cause people to be irrational. I’m not saying he deserved to be murdered, but I feel like with that repeated behavior he would have eventually run into the wrong person. Also Stephanie, it’s ok to admit that a victim is a horrible person. Describing his actions as “a little odd” is undermining the fear and harassment those women faced. Not everything needs to be viewed with a neutral point of view. He was not a good person and that’s just a fact. The only person I truly feel sorry for is the friend who was driving the car.
Hasheem was such an innocent party in this. He was just trying to be a good person yet lost his life in the crosshairs of someone else's drama. That is truly sad.
The ex-lover you CHOSE to have an affair with for TWO YEARS blackmailing you does not mean they deserve to be murdered. That does not mean the things he was doing, harassing or threatening people, making fake suggestive videos for revenge, is okay. He should have been punished or jailed BY AUTHORITIES (maybe even beat up by your friends) but not murdered. The fact people in the comments don't seem to understand that is disturbing.
@@Sarah-sn8og I’ve actually noticed this in a lot of comments on her videos. Stephanie isn’t the problem but a lot of her fans tend to be very reactionary instead of measured in response to her work.
I don’t think everyone is saying he deserved to be murdered but people don’t want this false image of him. People can see why this pisses people off, or makes them want to respond in a certain way. This man was being extremely toxic and abusive, was a stalker and controlling, and that’s saying it nicely, and was trying to hurt people, people naturally respond in ways that don’t always make sense but to protect themselves.
I cannot emphasizes enough how severe his behavior was in our culture, people fall victim to honor killings from spreading rumors let alone revenge prn. It wasn’t a “little odd “ this man didn’t see the value of women’s life in general to put one on danger. There is no way he wasn’t AWARE that this could kill her. I have no sympathy for his death what’s so ever
55.15 let's not justify extortion and revenge porn, please. For sure we need to be respectful of the victim, but you can be a victim and a shitty person at the same time.
I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for the murdered villain, he played with fire and it burned him up. Revenge porn isn't something that courts take seriously enough, and the two women probably thought they wouldn't be believed. Stephanie missed the mark on this case. This wasn't a soured business deal or a broken friendship, but a sociopathic callous creep who wanted to ruin both women's names and reputations both online and in the Pakistani community. The sort of community that sees life through a very narrow lens, and who has a very medieval archaic view on women's bodies. I see it as justified killing. It's only unfortunate that the driver and acquaintances were foolish enough to get roped in.
No one deserves to be killed but honestly what he did to the innocent girl who had a bf he should've been arrested or received something THAT MAYBE would have helped him not continue being so evil to women. Esp knowing he'd never even dated that girl is insane n concerning. What makes people like that... I've experienced it for a whole year and eventually gave me anxiety attacks and PTSD when stalking also started.
Listen aunties of the world. Do not get into these entanglements with these young men. Invest in your marriage or get out. These short term dopamine rushes are not worth it.
43:39 Calling it mutual harassment is crazy when she was just responding to threats of physical and sexual violence???? Also it isn't slandering his character if it's true
i need to acknowledge how good that last line was! “play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and if you’re playing monopoly, there is always a chance that you’re gonna end up in jail”
That stalker / blackmailer is a piece of garbage and I don’t feel sorry for what’s happened to him. Doesn’t mean the Tik toker was in the right and shouldn’t be punished, of course. It’s just that b****** clearly had a very low opinion of women in general to behave this way and had no freaking idea that it could backfire. He even didn’t care about setting up his friend ffs. So I wouldn’t lose sleep over him and his stupidity. His family and friends , sure, they deserve empathy. Not him though
The mom is SICK, the daughter is SICK, the friends are SICK and the stalker is SICK. I feel so bad for his innocent friend.
Exactly 😂😂. All the people involved are sick and it's difficult to blame it on one person.😅
You have that right ,Sick and twisted you can see where the daughter gets it though
I know right. May Allah have mercy upon Hashim
All parties are wrong fr
@@chaitanyabhargava5131not really….all this was easily avoidable…if the mother knew how to keep her legs closed. The other was a 18 year old fool hung up on a woman. And, this lady talking got too much justifications for bs. Easy to know who the sickest is…the mother who cheated on her husband, got her daughter involved in a murder scheme on the heels of her own affair. One bad apple spoils the bunch. One rotten mother took down her own family and two others. And I’m sure they made the blackmailers sound far worse and themselves better…but the dead don’t get to tell their story, right?
I think the person who answer the 911 call should also held accountable at least for how he/she approach the situation at that time
i agree
Seriously!!
I agree! the transcript was really frustrating, if the operator would have instantly send help maybe the victims would have been alive at least, no one will call 911 for no reason!
Absolutely ! They didn't do their job properly at all
typically during 999 calls the operator will stay on the phone after police/paramedics have been dispatched in order to keep the victim calm and advise them on what to do in that situation (instructing on how to do CPR, etc). the questions often seem irrelevant and it is extremely frustrating as a caller but there isn’t much the operator can do after sending help. also, calls are recorded and can therefore provide important evidence/additional information if emergency services are too late.
It’s absolutely insane to me that some people think the only way to “save their image” or “keep their perfect family” is to murder people. Because that TOTALLY will save your image and family relationships…. 🤦🏻♀️
People are just stupid fr nd dont think 😂
Right. Like they do inappropriate things and when the time comes they cannot face the consequences. How immature of the mother.
@notville_what?😭
Idk how anyone thinks they have the ability to hide it and get away with murder Idk if it’s over confidence or being delusional. Maybe a bit of both.
Most people who commit murder wouldn’t do it if they believed they would get caught. I guess murder might save their image and allow them to keep their perfect family if they didn’t get caught, and we will never know how many people are out there who that worked for. We only know about the ones who it didn’t.
I'm sorry but Saqib's family calling him kind and caring while knowing he was literally out blackmailing women and sleeping around is the weirdest shit. Only felt bad for Hashim.
these type of men are most of the time product of their enabling families, their angel could do no wrong no matter what and look what it got him.
sorry but this grown women groomed a teenage boy, i can assure you if this case the genders were swapped, all of sudden you guys wouldnt insult the boy who got murdered by a grown women who cheated
Well how was they supposed to know??
thats the person they knew some kids keep their other side in the dark
@@englishbladeHe lied about his age.
He didn't deserve to be murdered but to say he is kind and compassionate where he is literally blackmailing people and committing cyber crime. The poor soul here is his friend caught up in all this
More than one thing can be true at the same time.
He probably was kind and compassionate but it sounds like maybe his heart got broke and everyone knows that people act crazy over that. Especially an 18year old male who is hardly even an adult yet.
@@elainagilbert7663 Yes cause someone making deep fakes of minors and threatening entire families multiple times is totally a kind and compassionate person definitely not a manipulator putting on a face to those around them😂😂😂
@@andreaking2358 His heart didn't get broke he made a habit of targeting people did you not listen to the full video? He threatened other women like violently. And keep in mind he's making deep fakes of a minor in spreading them all over the internet no he's trash he was a predator trying to perfect his craft that just didn't get to that point.
He can be both things. People are complex and rarely two-dimensional. He might've been kind and compassionate with his friends/family. This is why when the family or close ones of abusers will so often say that person isn't capable of doing such a thing because with them they aren't. Nobody is all bad or all good.@@kateajurors8640
Can't even lie, it's hard to feel sympathy for a stalker/blackmailer. I only feel bad for his friend who drove him and didn't know he was friends with such a creep
same!!!
@@AmyPieterseI literally stopped the video and asked “am I supposed to feel bad?” Like that’s insane for him to expect money. You don’t threaten to take EVERYTHING away from someone and think they’ll just be chill about it. At that point, they feel like they have nothing to lose since it could all go up in flames anyway. People’s swear others won’t top their crazy and end up like this. His friend was only there bc he was a genuinely good dude. Muhammad probably just wanted to play some boardgames. Everybody else can kick rocks
@@SaucyNeko exactly !!!
Plus the police don’t do anything about blackmail.
I get that but he’s also 18 so like idk you never know who he could have become.
the only victim here was the innocent friend who drove him. calling this stalking blackmailer's actions "a little odd" is absurd.
@_N2L_yeah, this whole situation is full of people making bad choices. It just goes to show that sometimes bad things escalate from affairs, to blackmail, to murder. Poor Hashim though. His only bad decision was having questionable friends.
@_N2L_okay but calling his behaviour and the things he did "a little odd" is still not okay?? Just because murder is WORSE than blackmailing, doesn't mean it isn't bad
The father and brother of the two women, as well. Indirect victims, mind you. Their family is ruined. Not their fault it happened.
@_N2L_it’s on the same level if it can make someone’s life completely fall apart. Now she was WRONG for even cheating on her husband in the first place, but he should’ve been smart and left instead of being stupid.
i’m pretty sure stephanie had some guidelines she has to follow
That police dispatcher needs to be fired. No sense of urgency. It's like she got a kick out of hearing him beg for help.😡
sadly this is the case for so many genuine tragedies
Maybe people shouldn't prank call them
How long was the phone call and would the police be able to find them if he couldn't say where he was
i thought it was a robot dude
@@maryjane3713 i heard the whole transcript read and he was giving plenty of landmarks the dispatcher was purposefully combative and unhelpful, and the call was the length of most of the car chase and only ended when they crashed
Dying doesn't automatically make you a good person in life. We need to be honest about it. This abusive individual, just like the others involved in this crime (excluding Hashim), were not necessarily honorable human beings. It's offensive to use positive terms to describe someone who harassed, blackmailed, and abused, with the intention of making the audience feel compassion for such a person.
I always hate how people speak 100% positive about the dead. Sure, some had flaws, but ultimately were good people in life. HOWEVER, if a dead person was (let's say) an abuser or pedophile, how the fuck am I supposed to defend them????????
Yeah they’re dead, you should feel compassion for that on a human level, don’t dehumanize somebody because they were an imperfect person. come on now. Pull back on the judgement. Very Twitter minded lol
Things don’t exist in absolutes
Just because he made some poor choices doesn't mean we shouldn't feel compassion for him. It's not like he killed someone or r***** them. She chose to be with and she should've faced the consequences of her actions instead of killing him. She should've gone to the police. Those two crimes are massively different and incomparable.
@@LucasEssmanpeople can still suck 😂 grow up and don’t get your panties in a twist
Instead of facing the consequences of her actions, this 44 year old woman gets ger daughter to murder her 18 year old lover and his friend. Gets her daughter and 5 others sent to prison, and breaks up her family. Instead of going to the police when the teenager threatens her with revenge porn, she enlists her daughter to murder. Absolutely disgusting. Her values are misplaced. And Poor Hashim. Completely innocent bystander loses his life. A grown ass woman would rather all these young people lose their lives than her lose face.
Perfectly said👏👏👏
And the husband still showed up for her. Absolutely vile woman really. That poor man just lost everything and never saw it coming.
@notville_🧌 alert
@@jayem7208don't reply or give them attention, fuels the 🧌
@@BianTheWerewolf wtf? I'm talking about Hashim. Use context clues before being condescending. Don't call me 'hon'.
“Saqib’s actions were a little odd” is the understatement of the century. Violent misogynistic stalker who thinks he literally owns people repeatedly threatens an entire family… rest in peace Hashim, the real victim in all of this
This situation is very grey. Victim is awful so is the murders.
@@TheUnluckyWanderer history of blackmail and revenge porn... Did I hear wrong?
@@TheUnluckyWandererhes 18 he has the ability to make his own decisions he decided to lie about his age he said he was 27 so he was not groomedhe also threatened a womans whole livelihoods he found her husbands phone number and messaged him and he blackmailed them for money to stop harassing their family no shade hes not the only one at fault the mom made the decision to cheat nd didnt want to take responsibility for it which is dumb they all deserve the consequences of their actions however i def dont think he or hashim deserved to be murdered however accotablity be fr hes not innocent
I'm just going to say two things. He was a 18 immature boy and she was a 44 full grown woman having an affair with a kid and try to imagine if the "he" was a "she" you guys would change all the narrative.
That 44 old woman isn't the victim.
@@meowmixaly937 well if you change genders but not the blackmailing behavior then nothing changes, nobody should be stalked and harassed just as no one should be violently murdered regardless gender. Also after 18 you are legally an adult bearing criminal responsibility and stalking is literally a crime, while relationship with adult is not.
Quitting college to make ridiculous TikTok’s, cheating on your loving husband for a second time , asking friends to end someone’s life, this family is FULL of great ideas
😂😂😂
He didn't deserve to be murdered, but I think MORE emphasis needs to be on how he seemingly stalked/followed prior to the affair, screenshot & saved explicit photos without consent, blackmailed a person with said explicit photos threatening to made them PUBLIC to get a relationship. This is beyond the murderers wanting to "save their image". He threatened to make nude pics go viral. He was abusive.
Going beyond this case, there are cases out there that even when victims called the cops on such threats, the cops either ignored, slut shame the victim, or took insufficient actions and gave the perpetrator time to actually post the pics.
he was asking for it. how is he gonna take non-consensual videos and not think of the consequences
THIS. My mum had an abusive partner for years and even when he tried to kill her and my baby brother, the police did nothing at all. When called they literally said "We don't have time for that. If you want to feel safe, go get a gun" 🙄
Yes! The title and how they trivialize it annoys me, it is a serious problem not someone trying to “save their image”
I think there’s a lot of context needed in this case. I’m in the US and I was stalked by a former friend who wanted more and he attacked me. I had evidence galore and they did nothing. The police just said they couldn’t help me. For quite a while I slept with a shotgun by my bed because I would call the police and say he was at my house and I was afraid and they wouldn’t come. Then my ex stalked me for several years after I left. Again, no help. I’m not saying murder is ok, but I’ve been in the place where I was prepared to do whatever it took to save my own life. The number of calls and the context of those calls from the “victim” is extremely telling.
You will not say that if the victim was 18 years old girl and 44 old man
I can't feel bad for a stalker, blackmailer, abuser and someone willing to post revenge porn dying while trying to do that stuff. But his friend I do. He is a victim. I was stalked for 8 years and no-one would/could help. It's a living nightmare. Why didn't the stalker tell the emergency services why they were chasing him? That he was just trying to collect blackmail money in an empty parking lot?
I feel the same. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Maybe dying is a little extreme but when you’re the victim of these people is a nightmare that won’t stop until they do. The friend tho, it’s horrible. The stalker dragged an innocent man for no reason.
Thank you! Everyone seems to be glossing over this just because he died. He wouldn’t have even been in that car chase to begin with if he hadn’t been stalking and threatening someone.
@Annie640 EXACTLY!! It's kind of confusing to me how everyone seems to be looking right past his behaviors and actions...of course he shouldn't have been murdered but he was not a "nice" guy or good person.
Exactly he caused his own death, the only victim imo is the other guy. You want to go around threatening people and blackmailing them don't act surprised when they do something stupid (not saying what she did was ok)
To me the only actual victim was the friend.
I know what they all did was terrible but the 999 call was so strange.. how can you say “no you’re not” to someone calling for help describing the situation? The person should be held accountable.
that person should be fired and think about how they helped someone to be killed for the rest of their life.
they should’ve thought about (even if they didn’t know or hear the person driving) the fact that there MIGHT be another person in the car with the caller and the lives at stake..
The operator probably heard the guy’s name and didn’t want to cooperate. It happens often to Muslims just because people are islamophobic. Overall, the situation and everyone involved are terrible.
Sounds like everywhere in the British commonwealth.
These dispatchers should NOT be allowed to treat any call like this. It's their job to get facts and send help, not argue over details like if the phone is charged or whether or not they personally believe someone is in danger.
The amount of times I've heard these emergency calls where the operator sarcastically talks back, hangs up, dismisses someone, argues with them, or claims it's a prank when there is obvious distress is TOO HIGH and they should be held accountable imo.
Dude was a stalker. I get tired of families being blind and saying “oh he was wonderful and a great person.” Like no, obviously he wasn’t 🙄
People suddenly become saints in death for some reason
Frr! But this is my favorite comment... Its so funny and so true-
She does that a lot( that Japanese daughter dad dup one, the guy they k!lled was banned from multiple clubs, and had a rep of SAing woman, yet she left out that info and presented him as a outgoing social butterfly, even tho he was literally cheating on his wife, SAing woman, it made no sense)
Even though her stories are mostly told from an unbiased place, she still ends up choosing a side, mostly the victims so it's ok but always tries to present victim from a rose tinted perspective, your victim can be horrible and still remain a victim, it's ok
@@adititripathi01 just watched dad and daughter duo video and then this, absolutely agree with you. murder is bad obviously, but to frame a rapist as a nice guy just bc he was killed?! absolutely insane behavior. i dont even think the girl was that evil, shes mentally ill and was assaulted, to say it was a pleasure kill just so weird
It's infuriating that ppl are downplaying his blackmail, revenge prn, stalking and harassment. Sure he didn't deserve to get k!ll because of it, and both the mom and daughter deserved to be locked up in jail for what they did, but what he did is also 100% wrong, there's no way to justify it. I just hope that you put more emphasis on how bad his behavior was, that's all i want. This video put a bad taste in my mouth since i've been harassed and stalked by my ex and i couldn't do anything bc in my country the police and ppl around me don't see stalking as a serious problem, i felt so helpless at that time, but fortunately i got lucky bc i guess he got bored and he finally left me alone. But i know other ppl are not as fortunate as i am. I wish there was a harsher punishment to stop ppl from doing this evil crime.
Agreed, calling the type of behaviour that made me move to another country to get away, as "a little odd" is ridiculous and delusional. He was terrorising these women and even dragging people into it who had nothing to do with the affair. I don't consider him a loss to the world, but rather one less evil for women to be cautious of.
Saying his behavior was a "little odd" is undermining his criminal and gross actions, true. Most people agree and the comment section are talking about the seriousness of his actions, but I think is not more mentioned in the video because he is already dead so there's nothing that the justice system can do(not that they do something about it when it comes to victims, unfortunately). So the news and yt videos are focusing more in what is happening rn and on the people who are still breathing.
Also the title of this video is ridiculous. They weren't just trying to 'save their online image/career'. So many victims of revenge p0rn fall into severe depression or end up unaliving themselves while the one harassing almost never faces any consequences. Just because he's dead doesn't mean i feel sorry for him.
Preach
Play stupid games, win stupid prices. What did she expect him to be a good person when he's fucking around with a known married woman? Both of them were nasty fucking people, except one is a murderer.
Honestly im feeling for Hashim because honestly he had no involvement in the whole ordeal, he was just helping a friend and that cost him his life; condolences to the family. Thanks Stephanie and team for this episode.
Rule no. 1 *Never cheat on your spouse*
Rule no. 2 *Don't blackmail people*
Yup! Don’t be a POS of a person
The most reasonable comment. I agree.
No. More like don't fucking murder people that you cheated on your husband with, ruining too many lives along the way.
3. Don't kill people
#3: don't drive a friend to a Costco at night. (Tesco, my bad)
Usually bro asks the perfect questions at the exact time I’m confused but he really took me out with “what’s one click” 😂😂
25:00 the operator is actually insane wtf. A person is clearly expressing fear and that they are in danger but the operator was doubting him? It’s actually so discombobulating.
exactly the question she asked of "how do you know someone is following you?" is actually crazy af
It's okay to not condone the boy's awful behavior even though he's a victim of murder. What he did wasn't just "odd".
Say it louder!!!! What they did wasn’t right, but if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. This goes for both parties.
All I’m gonna say is if the old crone had stayed loyal none of this would’ve ever happened.
@driplikeasink2441 See that's the thing, he had already harrassed another woman. Any other future woman he harrassed could've also called her friends to help her retaliate.
@@JustAS1nk you can blame a woman for the actions of a man all you want, but men are responsible for what they do. "if she stayed loyal" fuuuuuck that.
I'm conflicted on him, but I feel so bad for his friend. He really had done nothing wrong and got killed for wanting to help his friend who knowingly involved him in a risky situation, just because he didn't want to drive himself.
This is stupid because revenge porn is illegal in the uk so if they went to the police about the blackmailing he would've been charged and they wouldn’t say anything to the family about the affair for confidentiality! Murder is worse than having an affair!
I AGREE IF They never died i think her infedility story would hav stayed confident and saqquib could have ben punished the proper way cause blackmailing is illegal but going 100 miles an hour and ordering cars ro slam into saqquib and his friend is asking for someone to be dead .. there wasf just tooo much evidence that it was pre-meditated thats why the sentecnes were harsh
@@akgonen60 I know it's so mind blowing! And like they didn't even seem remorseful! So dangerous too easily could've cause other people to crash too! I would be devastated if someone died because of me! 💔
*why
@@betelgeuse_8021 what do you mean by this? ✨
U can littrily see the kindness in Hashim's eyes, he really didnt deserve to die man. All he wanted to do was to help a friend out...
The mother was honestly very very very selfish not considering her family, her husband, daughter and son. However the boy was terrible. All this could have possibly been avoided had the mother and daughter gone to the police and reported
Thats what im saying- like bro just report him instead of murdering him
I doubt that she married him because she fell in love, some families just don’t operate like that.
@@sgm_13 that’s not really the point
I feel sorry for the mom forced to be married when she was underage
Should have told her husband....
Thinking a cheater should have 0 consequences says a lot about you.
Caring, kind, and compassionate does not accurately describe someone who stalked, abused, and blackmailed. Those actions were not “a little odd” Stephanie. You have to also take into account the mother is someone who lives in a conservative house surrounded by a conservative community. She was married off at a young age to someone she likely didn’t know and had to start having babies. I’m not saying affairs are ok at all. I am saying context is needed. There is a lot of stigma in more conservative communities and having the revenge porn released wouldn’t just mean the end of her marriage, but possibly the end of her entire social structure. The “victim” wasn’t a good person. That’s black and white I’m sorry. He didn’t deserve to die, but I’ve been on the other end of a stalker’s obsession. Police often don’t do much. I was convinced he would eventually kill me and I’m still as anonymous as possible online just so he doesn’t suddenly remember I exist enough to start stalking me again. Context is necessary for this case and I disagree with your takes.
I agree with you
I agree. Describing the stalker's actions as "a little odd" is vastly and almost insultingly making light of his actions. While I'm not saying that he needed to die for his actions, time and again, police have been shown to be next to useless in helping the victim of stalkers and the legal system is ill equipped to protect the poor men and women that are victims of this type of crime. It's not as black and white as Stephanie is making it out to be.
The only truly innocent person was the friend that was driving the car.
and he has harassed another woman before as well. Like it's obvious he is an awful human being that would have probably continued harassing the mom and her whole family even if he got the money just because his fragile ego was hurt.
"A little odd" is never something you use to describe revenge corn, blackmail and literal stalking. What the women did was definitely wrong but i do understand because they probably also knew this nightmare wouldn't end regardless.
Yea the entire story is horrible, but their (mom and daughter) crazy plan was based on extreme fear from being blackmailed. No one was being reasonable!
Hard agree, that was an odd take. In the community they live in, where obviously everyone thought jumping someone to teach them a lesson is a perfectly reasonable thing to do on a random weekend, you don't know what the consequences for the mom from this blackmailing would have been. From some incidents in the Muslim community in my country and the group around her that we know of, she might have had legitimate fears for her own life and safety.
Of course, you shouldn't murder someone or have extramarital affairs, but this might have been a situation that is hard to understand for someone who wasn't part of this group or ever in such a situation.
My cousin had a dangerous stalker once, and we all took turns staying with her until he was put into jail, which was a long time. I am glad we live in a community where we were able to talk about it openly, he was just her obsessed neighbour with whom she had coffee one time, but if he had attacked her again and I was there, I don't know if I wouldn't have given him a less than gentle bump with my car.
I love what you said about, “If you play monopoly, there’s always a chance to end up in jail.” That was a very interesting quote
That doesn’t even make sense.
@@angelam886it makes perfect sense.
@@angelam886Have you ever played monopoly?
@@angelam886 "If you exist where there's police, you might see police." It's beautiful
Dispatchers have to be the worse people in most of these stories.
the ONLY person i feel bad for is the friend, who was innocent and shouldn't have been dragged into his stupid friend's affairs. the guy (blackmailer) shouldn't have been trying to extort and try to threaten to share revenge P word of the mom. which is also a CRIME by the way. he suffered the consequences of his OWN actions when he tried to commit a crime against her. and this is not a justification to the mom or daughter either. they're going to do their time and suffer their own consequences as well. everybody (minus the friend/driver) sucks here.
What about the dad? He didn't lose his life like the driver but lost his wife and daughter probably for good.
You all have such good points. You’re both right. I feel sorry for mahek’s family excluding her mum that’s trash (I know them personally). I also feel sorry for hashim
@@satokodragon well yeah of course
@@satokodragonno he’s was actually set free from horrible people who would lie, scheme and go as far as murder to save the neck of a liar. All she had to do was face her actions and ended up having the entire internet rip her to shreds along with the justice system … I hope the dad spends the rest of his life traveling and enjoying life beauty without the dead weight.
..... yeah I also feel sorry for the girl that the driver of the car which ran them off the girl raped...didn't you hear that part?
The 44 year old women had an affair that lasted more than 2 years with a *barely adult* male, and then was not willing to suffer the consequences of her actions. She could have just reported him. Having an affair isn't illegal.
I wouldn’t describe his action’s as a “little odd”. He was threatening violence, manipulative, blackmailing, extorting. And cheating doesnt mean you deserve any of those treatments.
Also, doing any of those things doesnt mean someone can go ahead and murder you, but it doesnt sit right with me to call his violent behavior towards women “a little odd” just because he died. He sounded abusive.
Thank you! I completely agree. I saw some comments saying "oh but he was young." He was 18 at the beginning of the affair and had done it to someone else and kept it going until he was 21. He KNEW exactly what he was doing, got off on it, and felt he could do it again. He definitely would've been a abusive repeat offender.
Exactly !
What he did was horrible, and yes it mattered that he is 18. A grown woman was having sex with essentially a teenager. She eventually knew his age and continued with the affair; there was a power imbalance
I like how if this was a woman everyone would take her age into account, and say exactly what I wrote.
She is a murderer, and so is her daughter. She had another affair and decided to agree to murder an 18 year old and his friend in order to cover up her predatory behavior toward a literal teenager.
He didn’t deserve to die, but the fact that this entire comment is more about him than his murderers speaks volumes.
How do you know? He would be a repeat offender? What about the power imbalance with a literal teenager and a middle aged woman?
Two people died and you’re more concerned about him being a repeat offender rather than the obviously perverted relationship a grown woman had with a young man. We will never know, because he is dead.
@@charissa6648Is 18 considered teenager in UK?
I don’t feel bad for either parties besides Hashim. Rest in peace. He didn’t deserve this at all.
i can understand where your coming from but i do feel bad for saqib bcs he was burnt to death thats it hashim death was the one that broke my heart
@@SonicTheHedgehog-2007 Did he die on impact? Or did I miss something-
@@SonicTheHedgehog-2007so you feel bad for the stalker who use explicit photos to blackmailing purpose
@@SonicTheHedgehog-2007 they died on impact
Not me skipping the Azar part thinking it’s an advertisement then getting confused 😭😭
people justifying the blackmailers actions because he was "young" it's so fucking crazy
You get what you put into the universe 🤷🏾♀️
Exactly do people not know that blackmail/extortion and revenge porn are actual crimes?
Exactly, I don’t agree with the outcome but he caused it on himself.
No one is justifying anything, it just didnt warrant murder
@@Mackahroneyexactly lol, he absolutely deserved prison time, but people seem to think the only solution is murder
I just feel bad for Hasheem. Like the rest of the people are anywhere from "kinda' twisted" to "what the heck is going on with them???" But it didn't seem like Hashim did anything particularly wrong, and cannabis can be used for more than just recreational properties, oh, and the son. His experience must have been terrifying considering he didn't know what the heck was happening.
The reading of the 911 call was infuriating .
I followed this case on tiktok and found it so upsetting, horrifying and disturbing especially as a British Muslim myself - so glad you are covering it!!
What about all the children that were groomed and molested by your community... Does that also disturb you?
@notville_ Stephanie the creator of this video? Said she’s better then the girl or the mom?
@@Alexis.st95you read it wrong babe, it’s a troll
I don’t feel sorry for him. He was doing evil by sleeping with a married woman & then harassing them . Nobody in this situation is innocent other than the friend who had no clue what was going on
The guy wasn't "kind and compassionate" and what he did wasn't "a little odd". He was garbage of a person who viciously stalked and blackmailed his ex with revenge porn, because whatever punishment he would get should she go to police would pale to the consequences it would have on her life. He was selfish enough to involve his friend in his degenerate blackmailing plot. He didn't deserve to get killed, but don't expect anyone to shed tears over his fate.
That's his family though. His family said that and what else do you expect them to say?????? Also, he was very young and stupid, just like the majority of people involved. None of that justifies any of their actions, but the true evils are the people who took lives. He did something evil as well, but he a young person dealing with a horrible women who had a big advantage over him mentally. I definitely see where you're coming from, but majority of the anger should be placed on the mom(she's GROWN and should have never let any of this happen) and the drivers who ran them off the road.
He was barely legal when they met and she was a grown woman. Are you serious? It’s not completely unforeseen that a YOUNG person would react the way he did especially since he was used for his body and money. She is damn near a pedophile
Don't pretend if the genders were reversed you'd be screaming that she was young and stupid. Gtfo.
He shouldn't have blackmailed over 3800 dollars, but the killers were still 100% in the wrong for committing murder
Am sure no one will miss a black mailer.
The only one for whom i feel sorry is a poor friend that suffered for just being a friend.
I don’t justify murder and it’s awful. However if you decide to constantly blackmail someone you must be ready for any reaction it might cause. And this reaction only limited to how far a person will go.
But why was he friends with such a n evil pos? It showed his moral character.
@@pineapplesandvibes3277maybe. Because he didn’t know about him or his past?
hashim and saqib were childhood freinds they met in school when they were 5 they werent close tho like not at all hashim only saw him once every few yrs thats why@@pineapplesandvibes3277
@pineapplesandvibes3277 Why would he _tell_ people he was stalking women?
Idk, I know murder is not the solution, but the dude fucked around and found out is all I'm saying 🤷 Don't blackmail and emotionally abuse and extort people and then act surprised that they react how they react. I'd say the same thing if the victim was a woman. It's hard for me to feel bad for the dude ngl
exactly
and the fact people are excusing him wgen he did this twice prior to the affair
REALLL
“When you’re playing Monopoly there is always a chance you will end up in jail.” 😂 and with a serious expression. Thanks for that.
Stephanie I love your content but I think calling the mother evil for cheating while the affair partner (AF) "a little odd" for stalking, harassing, blackmailing, etc really disappointing. :( Downplaying his actions as that is and can be really harmful to impressionable minds and is really disrespectful to people who are victims of blackmailing & revenge corn as well. You need to know he's also done this to someone who's innocent. He is not a victim. He creates them instead.
This is not an easy subject to touch up on, especially when you’re trying to balance it out without making it sound like the man deserved to be murdered. I think that if Stephanie has spoken up on misogyny before in the past, it’s obvious that she does not stand for it. It’s a hard case to explain to someone without making it sound like you’re picking a side because BOTH parties involved were in the wrong.
@@billie-sx6fb oh no don’t get me wrong! I know what she’s said in past podcasts about stuff. I’m not saying that she should hold her pitchforks up. I’m saying she shouldn’t demonise the mom but not doing the same for AF 😅
When the woman didnt do this it wouldnt happen. I think why she is calling her evil ,cause just because of her own fault and want to keep her image she killed somebody.. so for me,its not mean that she called her evil. Dont do things that always will have consequenzes spezielly dont kill nobody for ur mistake. Period
@atifqureshi9257 You're clearly ignoring the part where he lied about his age....Siqib was dependent on her but was sending her expensive gifts 24/7? "lured", but came to her first...🙄 He was old enough to know what he was doing was wrong.
@atifqureshi9257 Yes you did, you're painting this biased image of him, "immature 18" like that's suppose to mean anything....He was mature enough to lie, blackmail and take advantage of someone, not his first time doing it either. Once again, she was in the thought process of thinking he was 27. Which is beyond the age of full development and maturity...He spent money on his own free will. It looks like you forgot the part when she started rejecting the gifts multiple times and he keep insisting...And she rejected him multiple times. She never asked for gifts. Seriously, it's like you didn't even listen to the story 😂 He was nowhere near dependent on her, AT ALL.
Obviously nothing justifies what happened but I feel like there was a gross downplaying of him blackmailing revenge porn and making deepfake porn
exactly, all of it covered just because he died
So this guy stalked, harassed, blackmailed, posted deepfakes of the daughter online(when she wasnt even involved!) and threatened to post revenge p0rn, why exactly should I feel bad for him? Sounds like he fucked around and found out🤷♀️
Both sides are wrong morally n legally.
And this is about to be 2+ years ago.
Why not go to the cops ?
Just I don't get that part
Its illegal for blackail why not go to the cops why depend on the daughter and go along with the murder plot
That's insane
@@akgonen60Dude, cops can’t do anything in that situation. All you’re going to get is more judgment. Your comment is SUCH an easy thing to say when you’re not the one being victimized.
@@HavianElaThis, it's really hard to get people to understand that.
But the other guy didn’t deserve to die. And that 911 operator should be held just as responsible bc if she would have just done her job and listened to where they were, then they might’ve been saved.
hard to feel bad for someone who blackmailed someone. I feel bad for the innocent friend though
It's so crazy to me that this was literally the Moms fault, and communication was NEVER a factor in this?? Like, seriously murder is the first solution to the cheating crazy ex problem?? Not talking to someone that could help but killing a person? He is 100% awful for blackmail and the constant emotional abuse but oh my gosh he had to die cause of it? Not get arrested or anything? Idk, I might be wrong but that jumps over so much stuff.
Honestly, I think when you do stuff like that [extortion] you don’t get to decide how people react. He effed around and found out, sometimes you mess with the wrong person 🤷🏻♀️
@@jadedoe9966 i agree
It was the mums fault and not the guy who harassed and threatened her? Interesting
@@vincenoir4756she was still cheating tho while being married and it wasn’t even her first time cheating she knew what she was doing. I’m not saying the guy isn’t at fault, but the mom is also to blame. Either way, killing someone’s isn’t a solution. It’s better to tell the police and let them handle it.
@@jadedoe9966 We don't know his version of the story. You are only hearing from the side that is saying it as an excuse to murder two people.
Killing two people just to help her mom hide an affair and save her career?!? So disgusting! And I know that her mom was getting blackmailed but still! Thanks Stephanie for covering this case
The thing is yeah the affair is bad but I really feel like her mother having an affair wouldn’t of even ruined her career 👁️👄👁️
@@Llamacoints fr
@@Llamacoints All about Daddy's money and his family's entitlement to use him as an ATM.
Mom has affairs. Daughter helps her cover for it. They don't want daddy to find out.
@notville_ No, she didn’t
@@kennamoo7427ignore this Bot. It’s posting the same comment everywhere.
Stephanie, I usually love your coverage of these cases but I feel a little put off by this one. 100% none the victims deserved to die, and both mother and daughter should pay for planning and commiting murder. However, I feel that it is not right to completely brush off the stalking, harassment and revenge porn (even the deep fakes) as "a little odd" and instead present him as a kind and compassionate person when his actions only show that he was a misogynistic, selfish and abusive liar who thought he could get away with blackmailing his ex bc she broke up with him. Does it mean he should've been killed? No, absolutely not. But let's not present him as a nice and kind person when in reality he wasn't. As others have mentioned the only true innocent victim here is his friend that died by being nice and offering to give him a ride.
This is not an easy subject to touch up on, especially when you’re trying to balance it out without making it sound like the man deserved to be murdered. I think that if Stephanie has spoken up on misogyny before in the past, it’s obvious that she does not stand for it. It’s a hard case to explain to someone without making it sound like you’re picking a side because BOTH parties involved were in the wrong.
Well I rewatched th video and in no segment does she say anything that disagrees with what you're saying.
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 it's the way she simplifies this as something that can be done with just 'reporting to the police' when you know police doesn't exactly have best record to handle cases like this. what the mom does is awful, but his action is definitely not 'a little odd' as what steph did say about his behavior. undermining what he does is like literally ??? to every victim of stalking out there who doesn't resort to murder which is not okay
I feel it is not right to brush off the fact that a 44 year old woman was having sex with an 18 year old, and had been for a prolonged period so the affair may well have began when he was under 18 and so according to the laws of the UK a *CHILD*. Which part of 44 year old women having sex with a person who was a teenager and she found out was a teenager but still had sex with him is wrong do you not understand?
@@elle4246 You keep going on about her as though she was some kind of innocent victim. She was 44 *having sex with an 18 year and did not stop even when she found out that he was about the same age as her daughter*. Which part of that does not scream "selfish and morally depraved" to you?
I don't care if the "police don't have a good record". That's an excuse. She could have reported it. Her daughter could have reported it.They never even tried, instead they planned a murder, and bought together a group of their criminal friends (one of whom was a rapist) and carried it out in a manner which endangered the lives of the pubic (its a miracle they didn't cause a major accident chasing somone one a public highway) and took the life of an innocent person.
The fact that they all saw the accident happen, even drove back past it and didn't try to help or call for help.... then went for a little stroll means to me they should all be punished.
I'm from the UK and have been following this case for a while and the whole situation is so cursed, the narcissm of the daughter, the emotional immaturity of the mum, the stupidity of the blackmailer (though he didn't remotely deserve what happened to him), the whole thing is so pointlessly awful, a bunch of lives destroyed over so little.
he wasn’t just “stupid”, he was abusive and incredibly misogynistic. if anything, he faced the consequences of his actions.
@@kmgluvrhe belongs in jail not a grave
@@kmgluvrthats dark, no one deserves to be murdered because of something like that. He was evil but so is the mother.
@@eavocado5890pppj the fact that y'all have more empathy towards men like him than towards the mother (as if he isn't 10x worse) tells me everything i need to know lol
@@kmgluvrStill not an excuse for murder.
Murdering = fixing your image 🤦♀️
It's honestly just disgusting how they could kill someone just to keep that 'perfect' family image. No family is perfect, especially if family members kill someone.
If you look at it She Muslim and the guy made a defake of her in a sexual way and if you a Muslim it very frown down a pond. Yes it maybe fake but you know how people on the internet is
@@eveelee4152don't try to justify it, IT LITERALLY DOESN'T SAY THAT ANYWHERE, it's not like they r worded her islam is totally against violence.
@@eveelee4152Lmao Islam is currently the most violent religion to exist. And a woman's purity not only before marriage but after it is so important in Islamic nations that women's lives are taken over it regularly.
If this woman was from a fundamentalist Muslim family, she could have feared that her husband or male family members might murder her to restore the honor of the family name due to her actions. So she decided to restore her honor on her own and murder the man threatening her image within the community. It's always a twisted mess in traditional and religious cultures, because all of them treat women as disposable if they are anything less than perfect, and they take serious action against women in particular who cheat.
And the fact that her family married her off to some guy when she was only young shows me that she's definitely from the kind of Muslim family that would take her actions super seriously since they seem to follow custom. It doesn't justify this guy's death, but all I'm saying is that Islam definitely influenced her actions here due to its obsessions with the ownership of women's bodies by men in a way that often leads to either the murder of the adulterous woman, her partner, or both. There isn't any such thing as letting bygones be bygones when it comes to cheating in Islamic culture. Someone's gonna pay.
What this man did to the daughter ruined her life forever it's like social murder in Muslim communities.. An eye for an eye they say.
Did u even watch the whole video?? Stop making light of the situation. He was threatening to post NUDES without consent. It's literal crime. Do u know how many women haved k!lled themselves over this? The level of damage this does to a muslim women is like borderline r@pe.
1. Her mum having an affair twice was wrong . Nothing justifies it
2. The guy blackmailing the mum was in the wrong and was basically digging his own grave(not saying he deserved to die)
The best option would have been to either report to the authorities that she was being blackmailed .
Committing murder especially when you left too many evidence isn’t going to protect her mum and her career. Her videos being leaked at least wouldn’t land her in prison
How about don’t cheat and especially with someone 17 years younger . She is a predator! If the genders were reversed the age gap would definitely not be brushed off like this.
Thank you to me it a catch22 smh
Having an affair if you’re in an arranged marriage isn’t as bad as having an affair in a normal marriage where you’re cheating on someone that you chose. If you want someone to marry you without even meeting you first and not even knowing if you’re compatible or not, I think you’re lying to yourself if you really expect NOT to get cheated on. She was a young girl who didn’t get the chance to be a young adult when she was one. And they didn’t choose each other so they don’t owe each other anything in that sense. They do owe each other honesty just because of how entangled their lives are, especially after having kids together. But you can’t be offended at getting cheated on in an arranged marriage to the same extent that you’d be offended at getting cheated on by someone who fell in love with you and chose to be with you.
@@emmanarotzky6565 wrong, cheating is cheating. At anytime you can say no before getting married. If you sneak around behind a significant other back and sleep around keeping it secret their is no excuse, no mental gymnastics to make it “ ok.” Nice try tho.
@@emmanarotzky6565 oh yes your comment says a lot about you. I sense some self injection in your comment. Maybe you are trying to justify to yourself why cheating is ok? Just remember this comment of yours if you get cheated on, don’t feel hurt because after all you said here it’s ok 👍.
I'm from México, here Saqid could have faced legal consecuences for his p0rn revenge blackmailing since they had proof, this is a bit weird for me that apparentley not all countries have laws for this...? Even so called 1st world countries?
In France we have laws against it. But the cops just wont take your plaint. They shut you off and makes you feel shame about you. Even teenage girls. Cops here won't even take plaints against s.a... Very sad
Hi your absolutely are right I'm from UK. All the ladies had to do was report it to the police. The police would have arrested Saqib for blackmailing. It's awful 2 life's were taken. Here in the UK I live in a different city. But where these ladies are from people want them to be released. How awful is that. But they are not getting out anytime soon. The mom got 21 years and the daughter got 23 years in jail.
@@bubbles5599 there's also a cultural issue too. Even if she went to the police, the husband would have found out. She could lie all she wanted but there's still the shame seen in the community. I'm not saying all Desi people are like this, but it is common in some communities. Women who don't want to marry someone or who have a boyfriend are killed out of "honor." The wife and daughter could have faced that. It doesn't excuse what they did but that's most likely why they did it. I'm also not saying the husband would for sure do that but he could have. An "accident" could be arranged for them. Just how easily the daughter got a group of people to take out the guy, that could happen to them. Again, not excusing their behavior, just explaining. I've seen reports of girls killed because they spoke out against someone assaulting them. Nothing happened to the man and her own family set her on fire. It's not apart of any religion and it's not exclusive to any culture.
@@lulufan100 Hi I just like to say thank you for your reply which I found very educational. I have a open mind and heart. I really thank you for explaining to me in detail. As knowledge is all ways good to learn from others your words deeply moved me. And your so kind to take the time to explain. I'm always ready to learn about culture and it meant a lot to me. I love you compassion and deeply a genuine person you are. Thank. You from my heart I hope you have a beautiful start to your week ahead may God bless you and keep you safe and protected and always shine on your face and shower you with many blessings ahead. I truly appreciate your wisdom. What a lovely kind person you are. I hope I never offended you my intention was supposed to be good but I'm glad you made me see things in a more productive way lovely thank you xxxx
@@lulufan100 I agree with you but antagonizing the father in the situation isn't a good point at all. You're basically just accusing him of abusing the wife in the marriage, along with you saying how he "could have" done what the mom and daughter did without any proof but only assumptions
His behavior was not a little odd, it was massively wrong. He didn't have to die but he effed around with the wrong one and found out. I only feel bad for his friend and his friend's family.
The guy was wrong for stalking, blackmailing and harassing the woman and family.
He was emotionally abusing her. Threats are NOT ok.
Killing someone for it is no excuse
@@mahakafoud6750not an excuse both parties deserve punishment. He was a danger to society
The woman was wrong for cheating, lying, and using her daughter to clean up her mess.
The mother and the affair are both wrong. It's interesting how they're reactions are to kill someone instead of dealing with their issues, and consequences of their actions. Non of these people are good people.
Stephanie your comments about the blackmailer’s actions were very disappointing. Threatening someone to post revenge po /rn and making deepfakes of their daughter is more than just a little odd.
I am sure we all know and stephanie agrees but the man is dead and she probably didn’t want to ill talk about him. Obviously blackmailing is f**ked and the mom and daughter can’t really get blamed for reacting in fear but they shouldn’t have murdered him especially when his innocent friend was there
Probably just a bad choice of words
She was fine
@@prinzazjaz6695Not really tbh.
you guys are doing the most on this video tbh, you know she already has to choose her words carefully to avoid legal action, she’s not perfect, she can’t choose her words to please you guys too
idk one desi mom that acts this way and dresses like her. She really was out here acting like a teenager.
Stephanie his behavior is not just a “little odd” and “maybe” needed to be punished. Imagine his behaviors were targeted towards your sister or someone you love, absolutely disgusting and disturbing not a little odd. Yes, the women was wrong for literally murdering to cover her own ass and her actions but he was not a sweet little angel.
What the guy did was wrong no doubt. But if the girl’s mother hadn’t cheated none of this would have happened. They’re all wrong
She just used the wrong words to describe it and you already know she’s not defending the blackmail since the main topic is murder idiot and I find it disgusting that you said to imagine that happening to one of her family members
Why isn’t any of this concentrated on the “ALREADY MARRIED WOMEN WHO HAS CHEATED TWICE”?
Just….a honest question.
This is just Stephanie walking on eggshells. Ever since she got called out for being the insensitive youtuber that talks about the worst crimes imaginable while stuffing her face with a burger, she has been careful with what she posts online. So no matter the side, she tries to remain unbias. Even if the "victim" in this case happened to be a serial rap;st, Stephanie would still refuse to talk about him in a negative light.
she never said he was an angel. but his crimes in comparison to what happened to him and his friend? i think there are bigger issues than just using euphemisms.
how can the victims family still call theyre son kind ans compassionate when he has a history of harrassing and blackmailing women
Many poc parents will defend their sons no matter what because they are the “leader” of the next generation or some shi like that
Did you actually listen to the video? The driver of the car which rammed Hasim off the road *was a convicted rapist* and didn't even have a liscence. Its not some poor wickle innocent woman wreaking vengeance, its a woman who doesn't want to face the consequences her actions and gets together a posse which included a convicted rapist who endangered multiple lives on the road and then murdered two people.
@@englishlady9797 What does any of that have to do with the fact that the person they killed was a POS and his parents should not have called him kind or compassionate either?
@@luskaneseprince What does any of that have to do with the fact that she was a serial cheater who allowed the guy to spend thousands of pounds on her, and then had sex with him after finding out he was a teenager.
What does any of that have to do with the fact that they chose to get into a car with a man who didn't have a licence and another who was high on drugs, and drive along a public highway at *100mph* before ramming someone off the road on the basis of mere hearsay?
If they had caused accident and killed some inncent motorist (which they did anyway the *DRIVER OF THE CAR WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT* , they would be facing a lengthy prison sentence anyway for driving illegally, driving under the Influence of drugs, and death by dangerous driving. Did Hasid deserve to die for her wounded pride? i guess you consider him collateral damage.
His family didn;t know what he was like. They didn;t have that information: same as the woman's husband didn't know she was a cheating, selfish cow.
How did the mom and her daughter not check the company they kept? The driver of one of the cars which rammed him off the road raped a 17 year old girl. He also didn't have a license and half of them were high.
I feel so bad for the husband/father and the son/brother and the friend.
This is sad 😲 the operator should be held accountable for his death
Stephanie I wonder if you would find the guy's behaviour just "a little odd" if he wasn't murdered? If you read about someone doing this (blackmail and revenge porn threats) to another person who didn't resort to murder, wouldn't you judge those actions harsher? It's criminal behaviour. Who knows how much farther he would have gone with another person? Let's not gloss over his behaviour just because he was murdered. Murder is definitely wrong but so were his actions
I also dislike her saying that the revenge porn of her daughter was mom's fault. Like, in what way did her affair okay sexual violence against her daughter? This story is much more nuanced than how Stephanie tells it.
This is not an easy subject to touch up on, especially when you’re trying to balance it out without making it sound like the man deserved to be murdered. I think that if Stephanie has spoken up on misogyny before in the past, it’s obvious that she does not stand for it. You have to realize that as a influenceer, you have to be careful of what you say. It’s a hard case to explain to someone without making it sound like you’re picking a side because BOTH parties involved were in the wrong. Though he definitely deserved something for his horrible horrible actions, murder is not and will never be the answer- which is her main point in all of her videos. She is not downplaying what he did and the damage he put the family through, but she is focusing more on the fact that murder is never right.
@@billie-sx6fb I think we can still watch and respect Stephanie while providing criticism when needed. I know that Stephanie is a feminist but everyone has subconscious biases from the society they grew up in. If I made half as many videos as her I probably would have accidentally shown my ignorance plenty of times. I'm not trying to cancel Stephanie just providing feedback about something that made me uncomfortable.
@@camofrogs-gf It is understandable to why you felt uncomfortable. I think it was worded a bit weirdly aswell, but I don’t think she meant to put it in the viewpoint that she doesn’t believe what he did was all that bad. I’ve been scrolling through comments and seeing people take it out of context and over, such as claiming that she is misogynistic when that is most definitely not true. Of course though, you are allowed to feel a bit off from it, but I just wanted to help those realize that this most definitely not the case and it’s just not as easy to explain
@@skyhandlr I’m sorry can you explain more of that to me? I don’t think I saw that yet
Cheating was wrong and him blackmailing her was wrong. So sad .
yeah cheating is wrong but let’s not forget her situation, she was raised in a very conservative religious environment, it was an arranged marriage. i don’t think we can put that on the same place as stalking, blackmailing, threatening with revenge p*rn, he was an abuser and who knows what he would have done was he still alive.
@@astertataricus. now she's worse than him, she's a murderer
@@RainDropDrop22 Indeed she is. But because of her sitting in jail, we got one less misogynist in the world, so I'm not going to start feeling bad for him.
@astertataricus. She is a lying cheating homicidal pos. She is evil. You are having a mental breakdown over her just because she is a woman. The guy wasn't a good person at all but the mother...she is a monster. I feel bad for the husband.
what she literally murdered him how is that ok??? she even brought her daughter into this shit?? she couldve reported it, but nope haha lets just do murder which will destroy our reputation even more!!! she knew what she was getting into when she had an affair with an 18yo, she was selfish, both sides are shit, and nobody is innocent except for mehak's father and brother, and Hashim.@@astertataricus.
People saying him threatening her was the “consequences” of the mother’s actions feels icky. Like in no way it’s normal for someone to post someone else’s nudes even in this situation. It’s someone’s privacy. You can tell the husband without threatening to show her naked body to the public. Ofc she’s a bad person and literally killed someone, that’s why we’re here but let’s not normalize revenge p0r*n.
It's the consequences of his actions, don't behave abnormally and expect others to behave normally. Play stupid games win stupid prizes
@@Everythingz127 I don’t think to this extreme but all I’m thinking about is the 127 in your username
@@thegreatcatcussnct 127
@@hujanohhujanyup! The religion of peace is not at all peaceful in the slightest
Rip the innocent friend . 😢 traumatic experience literally.
I really feel bad for the guy who drove the blackmailer. He's Muslim trying to do good deeds but ends up getting set up and offed.
P.S
I really love Rotten mangos videos, but it sometimes takes process to understand. :) I apologize if anyone got offended of me using "Muslim" whether or not it had anything to do with Hashim. I am Muslim myself, and I appreciate anyone's concern about this 💝
mentioning him as Muslim contributes nothing, he was just a good guy trying to help a friend
Most of the perpetrators are Muslim too...religion has nothing to do with the choices made
@@eya6346then why you had to point out it's not that deep?
Those case is just another example of how religion doesn't make you a good person, he was just a good person in general
Yeah helping his blackmailer and stalker friend is such a good deed.
Steph I'm no blaming game..and killing is didn't justified their actions...but I'm telling you how terrifying it is to get threatened by someone blackmailing another one.. coz you've felt so helpless..😢😢just like how it felt by that influencer..it's not about her reputations as influencer but the thought of being blackmailed is indeed terrifying..
..who knows what the ex-bf could do if that thing didn't happen..?..
As a victim of something similar it's so frustrating the downplaying of his actions and calling it slander when it was brought up during trial
I agree. The way Stephanie explained it was rubbed me the wrong was because its not like what he was doing at the moment and previously doing isn't a legit crime that can harm someone.
That's why they should go to police from the beginning, but they take the matter in their own hand which honestly not better than threatening. If the guy live he should be punished to for blackmailing and all the crime he did. But he died nothing can be done to him anymore
@@Zhizhuzye going to the police will give him plenty times to post it and then he'll get a slap on the wrist cuz he's 18. Thats how jailbait hoes operates. Not saying murder is correct but going to police will only benefit him not her
A little odd?!!!!! Wtf his actions where not “a little odd”. Your take on this case is terrifying
I agree this one is not it
I know all of us have heard this from our parents before, but this highlights be careful who u hang out with, we can never know truly of someone’s evil intentions…
The real victim here seems to be Hasheem (the guy's driver) who just wanted to lend a helping hand and got caught up in a war between apathetic, senseless people.
This is a case of “f*ck around and find out”. He terrorized women, and finally met his match.. I have no empathy for that monster. The world is better off without him. But, it is unfortunate that the friend was killed too.
Seems like you have forgotten that the mom and daughter were involved with him. They both are cheaters. Based on your comment you support these whores these good for nothing women. They all knew what they were doing. So you calling Saqeeb a monster is totally biased because women like them dont deserve life either. They willingly cheated. They were living secrets lives. Keep the affair. Since you are a woman, you will say anything to defend women no matter how horrible they are. You leave out their cheating. They brought this upon themselves.
Women hates to admit when they are wrong
true. but at the same time, if im not mistaken, the friend did follow him to receive blackmailed money, the friend condoned his behavior and helped to an extent.
@@susantpyI don’t know if you watched the video too, but his friend had no idea what was happening, he just thought he was driving a friend to get something from the supermarket.
@@Zayaries_27d😅 whatever😊 we’re see we are we e
@@Zayaries_27😢
I was very shocked at what you called the stalker. His behaviour was much more than just "a little odd" and I know that doesn't justify murder but his actions were absolutely disgusting.
Also, poor Hashim. He thought he was just doing a friend a favour but littlw did he know he would lose his life that day, not even his fault.
This is my 12th Rotten Mango video. I’m addicted.
Honestly I think when you do stuff like this [extortion] you don’t get to decide how people react. Sounds like he played a game of FAFO and messed with the wrong person 🤷🏻♀️ if he didn’t try and ruin her life he’d still be here
I don't condone what they did to him and he didn't deserve to die but the amount of people, stephanie included, blaming the mum for cheating is gross to me. He had a history of harassing and threatening women with violence and revenge porn, having an affair does not make that acceptable
are you seriously trying to justify murder in this situation? you sound like somebody that's going to be the subject of one of these videos in the future
@@jeollabackwhen did I justify it ? I said you don’t get to decide how people respond .. and he messed with the wrong person, he’s dead because he tried to extort someone and ruin their life, and that’s how she responded
@@vincenoir4756exactly, he’s where he is because he was messing with peoples lives and some people are crazy and he messed with one of them
@@jeollaback wow, you got some great reading comprehension there that youd threaten a random stranger from the internet to be in a crime video. what a weirdo
Hot take.
Don’t blackmail. Everyone (but the driver friend) in this story is an awful person.
You threaten someone’s means of earning you deserve everything that’s coming towards you.
ummm what ? you can't kill people because they threaten your earnings
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!
Hot take.... Don't ram cars off the road. Innocent people die. Also don't murder.
Hot take.. just don’t be a POS person. Don’t cheat on ur spouse, don’t blackmail, and don’t murder,
@@englishlady9797that kind of happens when you blackmail people especially ones who live in a conservative household
I feel sorry for the friend who got out in a real shit position. But honestly, I feel no emotion for the blackmailer/stalker. Maybe that makes me an awful person but his messages were horrendous and he sounded like he was willing to ruin lives any way he could.
I used to get annoyed by the husband but then realized how lost i would be without his questions 😂 she gets ahead of herself and thinks we are there with her 😂
I can't understand why she woulddo this for her PUBLIC IMAGE like if the secret gets out, sure it'll make things hard. But if people find out about you MURDERING 2 PEOPLE, that's going to make your public image disgusting! and people would hate you.
This is the only video where I feel like Stephanie forgets what the real world is like. A victim of blackmailing that is a woman should just “go to the police”? When has that ever worked out for us. For victims of blackmail, they DO feel like having to unalive the perpetrator is the only way out. They likely won’t face charges and by snitching on them, you’ve just angered the man enough to leak their personal videos. The blackmailer met his fate and I’m glad it’s one less incel roaming the earth. May the real victims stay well serving their sentences. The worst thing she did was cheat (yes it’s bad but doesn’t warrant blackmail). He escalated the situation all on his own by deciding it was a good idea to abuse women. I guess he met his match. May he rot in his grave. Stephanie, we love you but let’s not forget this is a man’s world. Women are no longer waiting around for the fists to fall on them. Police rarely do their job appropriately. We cannot depend on them.
Im currently a victim of blackmailing and i totally relate i dont know what to do i feel helpless
finally someone !!! no way on earth im feeling bad because a stalker died and think he didnt deserve it.
Not to mention, she could have felt that it was a life or death situation considering the revenge porn aspect and how "honor" killings exist.
Going to the police would’ve been the better choice than letting her daughter get revenge. Not only did it ruin her life they also killed an innocent guy that wasn’t involved in anything.
Maybe you should stop watching drama and grow up and touch more grass
If the guy murdered was so nice, why did he try to blackmail the family with inappropriate videos of the mom that she might’ve not even known he took?
the monopoly go ad coming up in the middle of this was diabolical
Steph, I understand the idea of naming videos in an eye-catching way. However, the title entirely takes away the nuance nature of the case - one of the murder victim threatened revenge porn. He threatened to harm himself. He allegedly threatened another woman to get his way. Anyone who had/have been on the receiving end of such threats know how absolutely terriying these are. I do not condone murder, but by taking away the terror these threats bring is just misleading.
How is the title misleading.. that’s exactly what happened in the case
Genuinely how would you rename the title? Not being sarcastic. If the video was about him and his gross ways, or focused on how he got himself killed by threatening and blackmail, then the title would be naming him and his actions. But is a video focused on the family, girl, who did the crime. Again, does not justify his behavior and actions.
Yeah this is about more than just saving their reputation.. Especially given that they could have expected little help from authorities. There's no excuse for cold blooded murder but yeah there is more nuance to this imo.
The title is literally what happened
Thank you Stephanie for taking the time and energy to explain these stories.All of us are very grateful 😊
UK has cameras everywhere, especially on the dual carriage way and motorways. I'm shocked that they would think they could get away with this car crash. Just like walking around cameras cover everything, including house cameras. Life sentences usually mean seventeen years, but these sentences were to send a message to others in my humble opinion.
Why do people act like there is not ten million cameras on them at all times
Glad ppl pointing out the 18 year old wasnt an innocent angel. In cases like this the one stalking and threatening someone especially an ex lover with sexual blackmail ends up killing the person who wants to get out of the relationship. That crash he died in was pretty biblical and the other party also got what they deserved.. no mercy for all these grown adults who should have more sense and conflict resolution skills. 😅
I honestly think that man’s death was inevitable. If this mother daughter duo hadn’t murdered him then someone else would have. People who have experienced being stalked and blackmailed often feel like there is no way out, especially since police are usually no help unless something severe happens first to the victim. The desperation to get out of a scary situation can cause people to be irrational. I’m not saying he deserved to be murdered, but I feel like with that repeated behavior he would have eventually run into the wrong person.
Also Stephanie, it’s ok to admit that a victim is a horrible person. Describing his actions as “a little odd” is undermining the fear and harassment those women faced. Not everything needs to be viewed with a neutral point of view. He was not a good person and that’s just a fact. The only person I truly feel sorry for is the friend who was driving the car.
Hasheem was such an innocent party in this. He was just trying to be a good person yet lost his life in the crosshairs of someone else's drama. That is truly sad.
The ex-lover you CHOSE to have an affair with for TWO YEARS blackmailing you does not mean they deserve to be murdered. That does not mean the things he was doing, harassing or threatening people, making fake suggestive videos for revenge, is okay. He should have been punished or jailed BY AUTHORITIES (maybe even beat up by your friends) but not murdered. The fact people in the comments don't seem to understand that is disturbing.
Thank you!!! Reading these comments was disturbing.
@@Sarah-sn8og I’ve actually noticed this in a lot of comments on her videos. Stephanie isn’t the problem but a lot of her fans tend to be very reactionary instead of measured in response to her work.
I don’t think everyone is saying he deserved to be murdered but people don’t want this false image of him. People can see why this pisses people off, or makes them want to respond in a certain way. This man was being extremely toxic and abusive, was a stalker and controlling, and that’s saying it nicely, and was trying to hurt people, people naturally respond in ways that don’t always make sense but to protect themselves.
I cannot emphasizes enough how severe his behavior was in our culture, people fall victim to honor killings from spreading rumors let alone revenge prn. It wasn’t a “little odd “ this man didn’t see the value of women’s life in general to put one on danger. There is no way he wasn’t AWARE that this could kill her. I have no sympathy for his death what’s so ever
He does sound like an unhinged piece of shit
Exactly!
Nah bro that 999 operator was just pathetic
Severe but not rare
@@Userinterfaceexperience yeah unfortunately purity culture breeds a safe space for men to commit blackmail and even indirect murder.
55.15 let's not justify extortion and revenge porn, please. For sure we need to be respectful of the victim, but you can be a victim and a shitty person at the same time.
I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for the murdered villain, he played with fire and it burned him up. Revenge porn isn't something that courts take seriously enough, and the two women probably thought they wouldn't be believed. Stephanie missed the mark on this case. This wasn't a soured business deal or a broken friendship, but a sociopathic callous creep who wanted to ruin both women's names and reputations both online and in the Pakistani community. The sort of community that sees life through a very narrow lens, and who has a very medieval archaic view on women's bodies. I see it as justified killing. It's only unfortunate that the driver and acquaintances were foolish enough to get roped in.
No one deserves to be killed but honestly what he did to the innocent girl who had a bf he should've been arrested or received something THAT MAYBE would have helped him not continue being so evil to women. Esp knowing he'd never even dated that girl is insane n concerning. What makes people like that... I've experienced it for a whole year and eventually gave me anxiety attacks and PTSD when stalking also started.
Listen aunties of the world. Do not get into these entanglements with these young men. Invest in your marriage or get out. These short term dopamine rushes are not worth it.
43:39 Calling it mutual harassment is crazy when she was just responding to threats of physical and sexual violence???? Also it isn't slandering his character if it's true
"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" and "when you play Monopoly, there's always a chance you might end up in jail" ring so true.
Great comment and so true!😮
i need to acknowledge how good that last line was! “play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and if you’re playing monopoly, there is always a chance that you’re gonna end up in jail”
Hashim was probably thinking “this is exactly why I don’t drive” he was freaking out the most since he was the only innocent one lol
Hashim was the one who was driving the Skoda. It was Saqib who was freaking out on the 999 call from the passenger seat.
The 911 phone call frustrates me so much. I hope the operator has sleepless nights.
That stalker / blackmailer is a piece of garbage and I don’t feel sorry for what’s happened to him. Doesn’t mean the Tik toker was in the right and shouldn’t be punished, of course. It’s just that b****** clearly had a very low opinion of women in general to behave this way and had no freaking idea that it could backfire. He even didn’t care about setting up his friend ffs. So I wouldn’t lose sleep over him and his stupidity. His family and friends , sure, they deserve empathy. Not him though
can we take a second to appreciate how much work and research Stephanie puts into her videos to bring awareness to and for people
And uploads like every other day, so much dedication it’s unbelievable ❤
I'm the best fan
bro i posted my comment 2 mins before u and u have 20 likes now and i only have 2 basically 1 bc i liked 😔
Prechhhh ❤❤
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The situation is so not funny but that video of her describing the chase w the nails and lashes was actually really funny looking 😂