Thank you for you content once again! Really appreciate you points of view. I had a lot of stuff I took from the reveal where I thought 'uhm that could be problematic' but no matter where I turned every one was just 'HYPE HYPE HYPE' so hearing your points of criticism in the end was really welcome! To 'lessen the blow' of my rant, there is a ton of stuff that looks amazing, but: - What about if I die in all maps that are the entry points for the Ziggurat? I personally think that the only one portal for everything is REALLY problematic! It starts with the loot, will we be tetrising at the end of each map? What about trade, will we not be able to leave maps for trading? What about Boss fights are we supposed to farm them again once we die or have a internet disconnect? - I am really 'angry' about the situation with the EA / supporter packs as well. I spend roughly 2500 $ on PoE and I don't regret it (yes there is a tool made by the community ofc, that helps you find out), what makes me angry is that GGG appears to be TOTALLY unprepared for the release or even EA! I am certain that I am not going to buy a pack before I have seen EA and if I am not getting EA before EA actually launches I am not going to play! Get your shit together! - I hate Sanctum with a passion and there are loads of people that feel the same. Sanctum, or whatever the 'lab trails' will be called, has nothing to do with an ARPG. Your build suddenly doesn't really matter if it is mainly defense focused, but instead of taking the oppurtunity to get rid of it in PoE2 they are even doubling down on it, what? - What was one of the unique selling points for PoE in my humble opinion was, that you were able to replicate almost every build on every class/ascendancy if you wanted to. Granted it might not have been as good but still. With PoE 2 they are going to basically get rid of that for no reason! Demon Lady, Druid Bearform and other stuff will be skills you get by ascending, why? That basically would compare to only be able to play RF on Chieftain in PoE 1 and that has been played on like 6 different asendancies. If you take a close look at the 'Skill Gem UI' you will even see that skills seem to be bound to weapons now, like what the actual hell is going on? This means i.e. no more 'bleed bow builds', no more 'boneshatter staff builds' and so on. Did they switch out the whole GGG crew with robots and we just don't know it yet? - no they didn't! You can see by the indicator that is supposed to tell you that a hit can not be blocked.. I mean GGG had loads of time and competitors (i.e. Last Epoch) to see how to better telegraph stuff and they went with a tiny red flash to show that? Yeah sure that will be easy to see in endgame with mainly red skills like 'Exsanguinate' / 'Corrupting Fever' & 'Reap' i.e. - Loot neds to be picked up in single stacks once again? how long has the PoE community screamed at GGG for that being dumb? and now they are reverting back? - I hear a lot of 'you haven't played it yet, you don't know if it is going to be that bad' currently, GGG has a track record for some things. They had the opportunity to get rid of all 'god modes' for enemies or let's call it the unkillable buffs, but they decided to KEEP the 'monsters are unkillable" shrine buff, what is going on? - we are told that 'the game is partially meant to get more accessible' and that is why, but then they turn around and invent at least one new ailment, lightning damage can stagger now. And I doubt it will be the only one, ofc we will need new immunities for that to mitigate that we don't get staggered! I really would have hoped they would condense the ailment system in PoE 2 to maybe Chill/Freeze + Ignite + Shock + Bleeding + Poison ... if you need more you failed. - which directly leads me to my next point ... they once said 'if the player wants to skip the campaign, we failed' so they made sure we can't really skip the campaign, not even speed run it like in PoE1. There is a map of one act shown where you can see that you HAVE to at least do 10 quests in that act, to get stuff like +10% fire resistance and stuff ... really smart! All in all I am more disappointed then hyped by the reveal and I am currently thinking about not even mentally reserving the 6th of December for PoE2! There will be server issues, and yes there will be, name one release in the past 5 years that didn't have those, on top of not even being sure if I even get access to EA anyways, on top of not really being 100%, what the f... let's say not even be 51%, sold on the game. I was 'promised' an upgraded PoE, currently I am sometimes struggeling to even see how those two games are even related ...
That was a good read! Thanks for taking the time to post it! I appreciate it. I'm trying to go in to this without any attachment. I'm trying to think of it as "just another game". If it's good? Sweet. If I like it? Sweet. If it's not good or I don't like it? Oh well, there's hundreds of other games out there.
Stewardess: "A baw?" Passenger (Sonny Bono) "No, a bomb!" In the States Smarties are tiny candies that come in a roll, there's about 10 per roll, really tasty. Now, what is interesting is that there is a candy in the states that look like the British version of Smarties, but it is a sweet/sour kind of candy. The actual name of it eludes me, but it comes in small packs of 2 or 4, I can't recall exactly.
Right! That's it! We call your Smarties "Rockets". Smarties here are just chocolate covered in an edible crunchy shell. They aren't sour or anything. Just chocolate. It's fun to hear what other countries have.
I would never claim that it is rare for me to be wrong, but damn was I wrong last week in a COLOSSAL way when I was worried that the content would be thin 😂I am kinda in the same boat with the included content not being among my favourites in PoE1, but I find myself really looking forward to them now, especially with the streamlined number of choices. I think the way the atlas can be manipulated to juice content has me assured that the baseline level will not be ridiculously hard. The old atlas forms, while I could respect the design, never really inspired me specifically to do things, it was more of a marker for "oh yeah, I've done that map". I wouldn't have guessed until two days ago that I would say "I feel inspired to engage with breach".
Ya! I'm glad you were wrong too! I'm glad they've gone the route they have for content depth instead of releasing things chronologically. I'm stoked that we have choices too. Ultimatum will be the choice for me if TotA ends up being the third "trial".
I gotta start taking notes throughout the podcast again, a lot of good points being made. Alas, too many distractions around the house for me today. Standouts are... condolences for your loss of the family cat, and COMPENSATION for the pain and anguish you're clearly suffering not qualifying for early access. Fetchez la vache!
Im gping to assume Tyler wa having an off day. This was a weird episode. Expected excitement. Not critiques of the vocabulary used in the presentation which therefore means they are out of control. Love you guys but ingot some whiplash from this one They just haven't updated everything yet. I don't know about legal problems. This company is so great to it's fans. I think it's fine lol Held accountable? It doesn't say spend more money. It just says you don't meet yet. There is a FAQ for everyone.
Sorry you didn't like this episode. Thanks for getting through it! I just finished listening to it myself and though I was much more animated about the subjects we discussed than I would be discussing it now, I still agree with my comments. I totally agree that GGG is great to their fans, but they weren't ready to announce Early Access, nor were theyready for the traffic they encouraged to customer support. It doesn't change whether or not I'll enjoy playing Path 2 or not, but it is still a frustrating process to deal with as a customer. I really liked the video announcement they had regarding their game, but I still can't get a hold of customer service about account merging issues I'm having, nor EA enquiries. As a customer, it's been a frustrating experience all week. As a fan, I'm really excited to play Early Access.
:) Haha, sorry. I've heard I was quite the downer this episode. It's frustrating for me to see how...bah. I'm trying to ignore it. I am really stoked for the game as a player, but I feel completely ignored as a customer. But I just finished saying in our Discord that this episode was it for me in terms of venting. Next week I'll only focus on gameplay; like I said, I am very excited for the game.
@WreckerofDays I am happy to hear that! It just sort of felt very out of place to me, I think. I certainly don't want you to stop critiquing the game as a consumer because that it important for many reasons. It was less what was said and more how it was said, I suppose. At the end of the day, I love your guys' podcast. Thanks for the reply. ❤️
@@OsirisDaybreak Thanks, Osiris 🥰. We appreciate it! I'm still very unimpressed as a customer, but I'll be focusing on the game itself this coming week and it'll likely (hopefully) all be hype. Though, I can't controller how GGG operates, I'll do my best to not bring it up if anything else stands out to me.
It's not just you guys but a lot of poe1 creators I have seen who make a point of mentioning not watching the Q&A then ranting about stuff answered just comes off as uninformed and disingenuous. I get not wanting to watch it but then having multiple questions that were answered either in the Q&A or on the FAQ section of the site is a choice I guess. Things like having 2 life flasks, the atlas being unique per player, cinematics in the campaign, map completion being rares and not bosses since only ~1/4 of maps have them, and account access are all answered.
That's cool, but I'm not going to consume everything out there, you're listening to two buddies that are excited and talking about the game. We're going to have question, whether they are answered in some additional content isn't really relevant to us chatting. We aren't a source of information, just two goofs chatting away.
I hear ya. I'm currently going through the Q&A now. I'm about half way done. Jonathan then did a Q&A with DM/Ghazzy and I think is doing another one right now. It's a lot to catch up on and we don't have that kind of time in a week (especially when it's on RUclips (which I don't pay to have "run in the background" on my phone). The FAQ on their site hasn't been updated since the Ziggy Q&A. That's the kind of source though, I like as it fits my lifestyle more. Thanks for the heads up though! If I have the time to listen to it all, I will. But I'm also kind of looking forward to discovering things via gameplay.
Really? I just don't have time to watch every interview a YT/twitch creator makes! I had similar problems as WoD. I came around a bit after seeing some more of those videos, but they are making a big reveal and then they are even missing the point that you CAN use 6 portals, you just can't die in a map or it is gone. Kind of a vital information isn't it? They are trying to make PoE more casual friendly? Maybe start with better reveals, because the longer I keep watching interviews and vids about PoE 2 the more I like it, but my time per day is unfortunately limited to 24 hours ...
A bit of a Karen moment guys on the account part and spend threshold.... I am sure if they hear you, they would be like "you know what no matter what everyone has to pay USD 30 for EA" because they know anyway if someone has dedicated large amount of spend in POE1, that person would without any hesitation pay for POE2 EA. They really tried to be nice with you all and you guys talking about court and business liabilities as if you signed a contract...
Well, that was more me than Justin. I hear where you're coming from. The point is that GGG wasn't ready for EA sales. If you take GGG out of the picture and apply the situation to another company or market it looks quite different. Companies are completely liable for how they word things, how they market in the past, and what they provide based on what they'd said in the past. There's a reason many commercials say, "Don't try this at home", "Proffessional driver on closed course", "Batteries not included". If a company says, "if an airline says, "if you've spent "$X" dollars with us over the course of "Y", you get "Z"! Which we also sell for "W"." If that company, being an airline, shoe manufacturer, restaurant, doesn't give you a way to find out how much money you've spent with them, was unprepared to provide you with that information, and then tells you "you don't qualify for "Z" but you can buy "Z" here!", you bet those companies would be in hot water. But, we're just two buddies chatting. A lot of the time we changes our minds over things multiple times after a conversation. So I appreciate your post for sure. Hopefully, the hype takes me over next week.
Of course! In my opinion, people need to know if they qualify for a free key (need to know for sure, not assume) before an opportunity to buy one comes up. It's the same with VIP passes, season ticket holders, etc.
The livestream... was the best livestream eeeever
I LOVE that they took their time with it.
Thank you for you content once again!
Really appreciate you points of view. I had a lot of stuff I took from the reveal where I thought 'uhm that could be problematic' but no matter where I turned every one was just 'HYPE HYPE HYPE' so hearing your points of criticism in the end was really welcome!
To 'lessen the blow' of my rant, there is a ton of stuff that looks amazing, but:
- What about if I die in all maps that are the entry points for the Ziggurat? I personally think that the only one portal for everything is REALLY problematic! It starts with the loot, will we be tetrising at the end of each map? What about trade, will we not be able to leave maps for trading? What about Boss fights are we supposed to farm them again once we die or have a internet disconnect?
- I am really 'angry' about the situation with the EA / supporter packs as well. I spend roughly 2500 $ on PoE and I don't regret it (yes there is a tool made by the community ofc, that helps you find out), what makes me angry is that GGG appears to be TOTALLY unprepared for the release or even EA! I am certain that I am not going to buy a pack before I have seen EA and if I am not getting EA before EA actually launches I am not going to play! Get your shit together!
- I hate Sanctum with a passion and there are loads of people that feel the same. Sanctum, or whatever the 'lab trails' will be called, has nothing to do with an ARPG. Your build suddenly doesn't really matter if it is mainly defense focused, but instead of taking the oppurtunity to get rid of it in PoE2 they are even doubling down on it, what?
- What was one of the unique selling points for PoE in my humble opinion was, that you were able to replicate almost every build on every class/ascendancy if you wanted to. Granted it might not have been as good but still. With PoE 2 they are going to basically get rid of that for no reason! Demon Lady, Druid Bearform and other stuff will be skills you get by ascending, why? That basically would compare to only be able to play RF on Chieftain in PoE 1 and that has been played on like 6 different asendancies. If you take a close look at the 'Skill Gem UI' you will even see that skills seem to be bound to weapons now, like what the actual hell is going on? This means i.e. no more 'bleed bow builds', no more 'boneshatter staff builds' and so on. Did they switch out the whole GGG crew with robots and we just don't know it yet?
- no they didn't! You can see by the indicator that is supposed to tell you that a hit can not be blocked.. I mean GGG had loads of time and competitors (i.e. Last Epoch) to see how to better telegraph stuff and they went with a tiny red flash to show that? Yeah sure that will be easy to see in endgame with mainly red skills like 'Exsanguinate' / 'Corrupting Fever' & 'Reap' i.e.
- Loot neds to be picked up in single stacks once again? how long has the PoE community screamed at GGG for that being dumb? and now they are reverting back?
- I hear a lot of 'you haven't played it yet, you don't know if it is going to be that bad' currently, GGG has a track record for some things. They had the opportunity to get rid of all 'god modes' for enemies or let's call it the unkillable buffs, but they decided to KEEP the 'monsters are unkillable" shrine buff, what is going on?
- we are told that 'the game is partially meant to get more accessible' and that is why, but then they turn around and invent at least one new ailment, lightning damage can stagger now. And I doubt it will be the only one, ofc we will need new immunities for that to mitigate that we don't get staggered! I really would have hoped they would condense the ailment system in PoE 2 to maybe Chill/Freeze + Ignite + Shock + Bleeding + Poison ... if you need more you failed.
- which directly leads me to my next point ... they once said 'if the player wants to skip the campaign, we failed' so they made sure we can't really skip the campaign, not even speed run it like in PoE1. There is a map of one act shown where you can see that you HAVE to at least do 10 quests in that act, to get stuff like +10% fire resistance and stuff ... really smart!
All in all I am more disappointed then hyped by the reveal and I am currently thinking about not even mentally reserving the 6th of December for PoE2! There will be server issues, and yes there will be, name one release in the past 5 years that didn't have those, on top of not even being sure if I even get access to EA anyways, on top of not really being 100%, what the f... let's say not even be 51%, sold on the game.
I was 'promised' an upgraded PoE, currently I am sometimes struggeling to even see how those two games are even related ...
That was a good read! Thanks for taking the time to post it! I appreciate it.
I'm trying to go in to this without any attachment. I'm trying to think of it as "just another game". If it's good? Sweet. If I like it? Sweet. If it's not good or I don't like it? Oh well, there's hundreds of other games out there.
Stewardess: "A baw?" Passenger (Sonny Bono) "No, a bomb!" In the States Smarties are tiny candies that come in a roll, there's about 10 per roll, really tasty. Now, what is interesting is that there is a candy in the states that look like the British version of Smarties, but it is a sweet/sour kind of candy. The actual name of it eludes me, but it comes in small packs of 2 or 4, I can't recall exactly.
Right! That's it! We call your Smarties "Rockets". Smarties here are just chocolate covered in an edible crunchy shell. They aren't sour or anything. Just chocolate. It's fun to hear what other countries have.
Noice, finally a podcast episode I can catch again!
You rock, Tobs! :)
I would never claim that it is rare for me to be wrong, but damn was I wrong last week in a COLOSSAL way when I was worried that the content would be thin 😂I am kinda in the same boat with the included content not being among my favourites in PoE1, but I find myself really looking forward to them now, especially with the streamlined number of choices. I think the way the atlas can be manipulated to juice content has me assured that the baseline level will not be ridiculously hard. The old atlas forms, while I could respect the design, never really inspired me specifically to do things, it was more of a marker for "oh yeah, I've done that map". I wouldn't have guessed until two days ago that I would say "I feel inspired to engage with breach".
Ya! I'm glad you were wrong too! I'm glad they've gone the route they have for content depth instead of releasing things chronologically. I'm stoked that we have choices too. Ultimatum will be the choice for me if TotA ends up being the third "trial".
I have never been so keen for a game
Awesome! I have high hopes as well! It's fun to be stoked :) .
I gotta start taking notes throughout the podcast again, a lot of good points being made. Alas, too many distractions around the house for me today. Standouts are... condolences for your loss of the family cat, and COMPENSATION for the pain and anguish you're clearly suffering not qualifying for early access. Fetchez la vache!
Thanks! My kids are doing much better now. I appreciate your kindness (and the Monty Python reference)!
The bomb cyclone took my power out for three days lol
Jesus, i love these guys but what bit tyler this episode? So much nagging and whining about the most minor things.
Sorry, I sounded like a baby to you. I'm hoping the hype takes over me next week.
Im gping to assume Tyler wa having an off day. This was a weird episode. Expected excitement. Not critiques of the vocabulary used in the presentation which therefore means they are out of control. Love you guys but ingot some whiplash from this one
They just haven't updated everything yet. I don't know about legal problems. This company is so great to it's fans. I think it's fine lol
Held accountable? It doesn't say spend more money. It just says you don't meet yet. There is a FAQ for everyone.
Sorry you didn't like this episode. Thanks for getting through it! I just finished listening to it myself and though I was much more animated about the subjects we discussed than I would be discussing it now, I still agree with my comments. I totally agree that GGG is great to their fans, but they weren't ready to announce Early Access, nor were theyready for the traffic they encouraged to customer support. It doesn't change whether or not I'll enjoy playing Path 2 or not, but it is still a frustrating process to deal with as a customer. I really liked the video announcement they had regarding their game, but I still can't get a hold of customer service about account merging issues I'm having, nor EA enquiries. As a customer, it's been a frustrating experience all week. As a fan, I'm really excited to play Early Access.
@WreckerofDays fair. Love you guys!
@@danbrewback4012 Right back at you, Dan. Thanks for your patience this week.
Holy crow dude. Episode 268; WreckerOfVibes :/
:) Haha, sorry. I've heard I was quite the downer this episode. It's frustrating for me to see how...bah. I'm trying to ignore it. I am really stoked for the game as a player, but I feel completely ignored as a customer. But I just finished saying in our Discord that this episode was it for me in terms of venting. Next week I'll only focus on gameplay; like I said, I am very excited for the game.
@WreckerofDays I am happy to hear that! It just sort of felt very out of place to me, I think. I certainly don't want you to stop critiquing the game as a consumer because that it important for many reasons. It was less what was said and more how it was said, I suppose. At the end of the day, I love your guys' podcast. Thanks for the reply. ❤️
@@OsirisDaybreak Thanks, Osiris 🥰. We appreciate it! I'm still very unimpressed as a customer, but I'll be focusing on the game itself this coming week and it'll likely (hopefully) all be hype. Though, I can't controller how GGG operates, I'll do my best to not bring it up if anything else stands out to me.
It's not just you guys but a lot of poe1 creators I have seen who make a point of mentioning not watching the Q&A then ranting about stuff answered just comes off as uninformed and disingenuous. I get not wanting to watch it but then having multiple questions that were answered either in the Q&A or on the FAQ section of the site is a choice I guess. Things like having 2 life flasks, the atlas being unique per player, cinematics in the campaign, map completion being rares and not bosses since only ~1/4 of maps have them, and account access are all answered.
That's cool, but I'm not going to consume everything out there, you're listening to two buddies that are excited and talking about the game. We're going to have question, whether they are answered in some additional content isn't really relevant to us chatting. We aren't a source of information, just two goofs chatting away.
I hear ya. I'm currently going through the Q&A now. I'm about half way done. Jonathan then did a Q&A with DM/Ghazzy and I think is doing another one right now. It's a lot to catch up on and we don't have that kind of time in a week (especially when it's on RUclips (which I don't pay to have "run in the background" on my phone). The FAQ on their site hasn't been updated since the Ziggy Q&A. That's the kind of source though, I like as it fits my lifestyle more. Thanks for the heads up though! If I have the time to listen to it all, I will. But I'm also kind of looking forward to discovering things via gameplay.
Really? I just don't have time to watch every interview a YT/twitch creator makes!
I had similar problems as WoD. I came around a bit after seeing some more of those videos, but they are making a big reveal and then they are even missing the point that you CAN use 6 portals, you just can't die in a map or it is gone. Kind of a vital information isn't it? They are trying to make PoE more casual friendly? Maybe start with better reveals, because the longer I keep watching interviews and vids about PoE 2 the more I like it, but my time per day is unfortunately limited to 24 hours ...
@@AtrejuDakah Good points, Atreju! Good points.
A bit of a Karen moment guys on the account part and spend threshold.... I am sure if they hear you, they would be like "you know what no matter what everyone has to pay USD 30 for EA" because they know anyway if someone has dedicated large amount of spend in POE1, that person would without any hesitation pay for POE2 EA.
They really tried to be nice with you all and you guys talking about court and business liabilities as if you signed a contract...
Well, that was more me than Justin. I hear where you're coming from. The point is that GGG wasn't ready for EA sales. If you take GGG out of the picture and apply the situation to another company or market it looks quite different. Companies are completely liable for how they word things, how they market in the past, and what they provide based on what they'd said in the past. There's a reason many commercials say, "Don't try this at home", "Proffessional driver on closed course", "Batteries not included". If a company says, "if an airline says, "if you've spent "$X" dollars with us over the course of "Y", you get "Z"! Which we also sell for "W"." If that company, being an airline, shoe manufacturer, restaurant, doesn't give you a way to find out how much money you've spent with them, was unprepared to provide you with that information, and then tells you "you don't qualify for "Z" but you can buy "Z" here!", you bet those companies would be in hot water.
But, we're just two buddies chatting. A lot of the time we changes our minds over things multiple times after a conversation. So I appreciate your post for sure. Hopefully, the hype takes me over next week.
@ I appreciate and value your feedback thanks, see you on the next one
@@DementoPowerful 🥰 Thanks for your patience!
no one who has spent 480 dollars has a key yet.
of course it says you don't have access, no one does, ea hasn't started.
Of course! In my opinion, people need to know if they qualify for a free key (need to know for sure, not assume) before an opportunity to buy one comes up. It's the same with VIP passes, season ticket holders, etc.