Another great review, thanks. My less elaborate testing showed exactly the same results. Something I wanted to add in favour of the TCL, however, is using it as a minimalistic portrait set-up for (bright) daylight shooting, where the combination of f2, ND filter, leaf shutter and high sync fill-flash gives really great results, which would require a fair bit of gear to emulate with the other lens combinations. Combined with the X100F I found that the images were a bit too soft for this use, but now with the V the centre resolution is sufficient, I think, specially for JPEG shooters, as a tiny bit of centre softness in portraits is not that unwelcome (the corner softness is not an issue in that situation, but rather gives you a bit of 'resolution vignetting'). Maybe a topic for another video! Another advantage of using the lens attachments is of course the complete weather sealing you get for the X100V, and I find exchanging the WCL/TCL adaptors also less stressful than exchanging lenses in difficult outdoor situations as I don't have to worry about the sensor getting impacted by dust, rain, salt-spray ...
Great review, confirm what I found unscientifically. I'm in love with my X100(s)(f)(v) and it's absolutely a pleasure to be able to rely sometimes on these (cheaper) conversion lenses
This is the best and only video I’ve seen taking these converters as seriously as any X mount lens. It’s the most informative and comparative video on RUclips and I love that you put this together, thank you so much!
I have a TCL-X100 that I use on my X100F occasionally. Last year I modded it by gluing a tiny magnet inside the mount to act as the version II. It takes some testing to find the right spot for the tele indication and it is possible to make it indicate as the wide converter if you are not careful. The magnet has to be sufficiently thin to not interfere with the mount.
@@VargasKoch It's a great tip and it works perfectly; tried it with a fridge bottle opener that has both polarities and triggered both the W and T labels on the screen. I now only need to find a small piece of stick on magnet tape.
There is a well-known "hack" to glue small magnets into the conversion lenses to let the camera autodetect them, which turns on correction. For the benefit of this pixel peeping comparison, it's of course better to look at the uncorrected image because a correction algorithm can't create information where there is none.
Interesting content: I've always heard 'conversion' lenses were a complete waste of money but that doesn't appear to be the case with these.....I thought their performance based on your tests was ratherspectacular especially considering the extra punch they provide the lovely x100 platform. Impressive.
Interesting and I geeked out on the whole video. However if (really when) I buy the 100V I am not gonna be buying it to carry around extra lenses. If I wanted to do that I would just get the X Pro 3 and change lenses to whatever I want to use. It is good to see that the 100V is as excellent as it is. I suspect that my talent would be the limiting factor in either scenario. Thanks for the video.
A few more pros of the conversion lenses are the weather resistence they provide to the lense (as they seal the front element) and that they are 200 bugs cheaper compared to the xe4 with the three cheapest corresponding lenses
Excellent review! Thank you! I would love to see Fuji improve on the design and optics of the lenses to be fully on par with what this new generation of x100's will offer.
Very nice analysis! I for one don’t plan on adding one of those adapters to my x100v ever… I think it defeats the purpose of the x100’s which is portability. The stock lens is all I need.
It does more than just tag exiff data -- the version II also activates the camera setting that removes the distortion. If you've got the version one and you've forgotten to tell the camera via the menu and you've attached it... well that would explain the pincushion you're describing.
Great video! Thanks for the "leg work"! I really agree with your comments around the WCL. For several years I used an X100S and the WCL was glued to the front of it!
Just received my first X100, a vi, and have on order the WCL. Your review of the WCL/II gives me confidence, so i hope my experience matches your insightful review. Thanks.
AF beats sharpness any time, you are correct! Pitty that wide adapter is not wide enough and tele adapter is not sharp enough. Thanks for the great video.
Thanks man. This was the review I was looking for. One question: is there like a lens correction setting in LR or C1 that corrects the pincushioning of the TCL? That would make it a lot more usable. (I'm really hoping I can get the X100V to take portraits in my spare time with the TCL without feeling like I'm just wasting good photos :-) )
amazing video, thank you! also: the first ad in a long time i didn't skip because you I felt like you really meant it - you were recommending them, more than they "bought themselves a spot". That's good marketing!
the review was very intuitive and detailed, he said everything I was needing and wondering for the past few days. I really enjoyed it after seeing the review and experiencing the TCL with portrait photography on the X100V firsthand. It does a lot better than XF 35f/2.0, at least under my experience. In the future I will have to equip both TCL and WCL for my beloved X100V. Thank you very much!
I always had this question to myself, thanks for making a video for it. As a hobbyist I'm using xpro3 with 18,23/2,35/2. IMO these two cameras are also built for aesthetics so if 35 is one of your favorite focal length then the xpro option is a no brainier because the TCL kills the look of the x100 :)
@InsideSomething "𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘛𝘊𝘓 𝘬𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘹100" If your biggest concern is aesthetics, I can agree with you. However, the X100/TCL combo has some distinct advantages over the X-Pro and 35mm F2. System size being a big one. While the X100V/TCL combo approaches the X-Pro/35 f2 in size by itself, a smaller and more complete system can be put together with the X100 series of cameras. The reason is the built in ND filter and more importantly the X100's leaf shutter. There is no need to carry around screw on ND filters for long exposures(landscapes) and no need for HSS if adding flash(outdoor portraits in bright conditions). The tiny in-built flash becomes INCREDIBLY powerful and a compact flash such as the Godox v350/Flashpoint Li-Ion Zoom Mini can easily match a full size speedlight on the X-Pro once you pass its 1/250 sync speed(not uncommon outdoors). I can pack my X100S, TCL, a capable lighting kit(2x Zoom Mini's, Rouge Flashbender, gels, Canon TTL cable) and ancillary gear(batteries, card wallet, bongo ties/Nano Clamp for placing speedlights) all in a rather small Think Tank Mirrorless Mover 25i shoulder bag with a little room to spare. If you're strictly a 'natural light' photographer, or only shoot in controlled spaces(such as a studio or indoors), obviously the X-Pro will be a better option but so would any interchangeable lens camera. If you regularly find yourself outdoors and needing to add light, don't discount the capabilities of an X100 series camera. You'd be missing out.
@@jimmyhill9591 Great points Jimmy. I actually had the xpro2 and x100f before but decided on downsizing to one body and went with the xpro3. Size wise the x100 is smaller, but I like the handling on the xpro more and both systems fits into my peak design 5L sling. What I miss most is the silent shutter and built in ND filter. I don't use flash so it doesn't bother me. It is good that Fuji is giving us options as different systems can fit different users.
@@InsideSomething "𝘐 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘹𝘱𝘳𝘰2 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘹100𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘥𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘥𝘰𝘸𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘻𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘹𝘱𝘳𝘰3" If you're only going to have one body then the interchangeable lens system wins every time. Even if the TCL/WCL were optically perfect(they're not, but close enough for my usage) the limited 3 focal length options just isn't as versatile. That's why I have a pair of X-T2's as my workhorses, so no faulting you there. Now if Fuji came out with a few leaf shutter lenses for the X-mount.....?????
one video that the internet really needed ! thanks but keep in mind the price of the whole package of x100 series with its conversions would really make sense despite its compromises. especially for an enthusiast who doesnt mind investing too much in a system. i remember i bought my x100t back in 2014 in a promotion fuji offered almost 1500 usd for the camera and both conversion lenses, and i cant tell you how happy i am with that deal. and also its an awesome start for people like me who want to try diiferent focal lenght prime lenses.
First? Thanks for the review. TCL performance is making having second thoughts about X100V as I prefer the 50mm equivalent more than the 35 mm equivalent.
Wow man, I wouldn't have thought that the x100v lens was that close to the 23/1.4 which is one of my fav lenses. Previously I didn't get into the x100 simply because I know the IQ eventually would annoy me (as with the 23/2), but this is a different game.
Looking at the pincushion distortion and soft corners of the TCL (a lens I really wanna have) makes me even more sad that DXO Photolab doesn’t support Fuji cameras with X-Trans sensors 😕
I agree, focus accuracy is more important than IQ. My order of preference is Ergonomics -> Consistency -> Image quality. If I feel the overall camera lens package is too front heavy, I lose interest in working my shot, and I am not as nimble/ confident. "Consistency", relates to if a lens performs as expected most/ all the time and without my having to adjust my shooting for a specific gear/ lens. This is the realm of AF consistency, Field Curvature, focus marking calibration etc. Finally, IQ. When all the photographic stars align, what is the optical sharpness and color rendition, CA and coma. Most optical IQ issues can be mitigated en-post, but if you miss focus, that's it.
I did.And bought an X100F 1,5 year ago and never going back. I have the TCL II en WCL II lenses, and only use the TCL on a city trip. It's not as sharp as top line lenses but its very very good. And when I print my travel and family pics in a book the colors are amazing and sharpness top notch! I love this small camera!
Great video - nice to see a direct comparison. One thing I was wondering though - do you happen to be able to procure a WCL-X70 adapter lens? I've picked one up for my X100V, and find it quite handy. Whilst it doesn't have the magnets inside to tell the X100V that it's a wide adapter, you can flip this in the settings. From my tests it makes makes the X100V shoot at the (FF) equivalent of about 25mm, and otherwise it seems pretty good on IQ. My tests are no where as detailed as yours.
@@AndrewGoodCamera I've not posted any results - and my initial test was pretty rough (and I'm just an enthusiast). I'll see if I can find some time on Monday/Tuesday to be a bit more scientific and get some test shots with the WCL-X70 vs the WCL-X100II.
There is a live conversation between Zack Arias and Matt Brandon where Zack is giving a very good example on that subject. The talk is a good one on x100v in general. Just search in youtube “A LIVE conversation with photographer Zack Arias about the Fujifilm x100v.” + the channel of Matt Brandon.
Hi Andrew, thanks for you comparison. It seems, disregarding lots of things, small and wide, “v” & WCL, and longer and big, xPro and whatever lens. Have you compared IQ on a cropped in image on the “v” to a TCL image? Thanks again
I did test that feature, but it feels gimmicky. I can't imagine when this would make more sense than shooting in raw and cropping in post, or even just cropping the JPG. It doesn't improve the image quality, it's literally a digital crop, and you can't do it whilst shooting in raw at all. Additionally, you can't map the functionality to a button. I could see the value if you could crop similar to how you can change the aspect ratio, but still shoot in raw. That would allow you to compose within the crop. But currently, it feels worthless to me.
About to go on a trip, I'm tempted to carry only my X100V. I once managed, last century, two weeks in Italy with two M bodies _(one for Color, another for B&W)_ and 4 lenses: 28, 35, 50 & 75; the catch was bountiful. The X100V is enticing me to go with just the camera, the WCL and use the digital conversion for tighter framing. Have you ever compared the TCL (hineous, heavy contraption that you must go to a procession of screwing steps to affix and then reverse), and the digital pseudo zoom via the Digital Conversion menu? It would save me sometime in the last days before boarding. TIA, keep on the good work!
Thanks for making this. Actually looking at the X100V vs Ricoh GRIII. I'm more familiar with the Fuji system and I have an affinity for the aesthetics and and the OVF shooting experience. Do you think that the TCL weakness are exacerbated by the fact that the conversion lens was designed for the previous gen lens of the X100 series? I don't mind. softness in the corners, but that pincushioning was pretty intense.
No I think it's probably worse on the prior generation, honestly. But didn't have one to directly compare. And actually, the pincoishoning is not hard to correct in post. I believe it is corrected automatically with the TCL II (I was using the I).
Which versions of the WCL and TCL did you use? The version II is has connection to let the camera autocorrect the imperfections like pincushion not just to write in the exifs...
When photographing your kids which would you be most likely to pick up between the 23mm f1.4 and the x100v? I mainly photograph my kids so wondering on a practical level (as kids move around heaps and your percentages for the focus weren't that different) which you'd choose knowing how much you love both the xf23mm f1.4 and x100v
@@AndrewGoodCamera oh real! Gutted to hear that as I sold that lens due to the focus missing and hunting too much. I was hoping the x100v would be quicker and more accurate 😔
Haha. Sorry for the bad news. The x100v is amazing. But just not quite as accurate as I'd like in crazy situations (and what's more crazy than photographing active kids?). If speed and accurate focus is you're top priority, honestly, Fuji isn't quite as good as Canon or Sony's flagships.
Hi, thanks for the video. Does the optical finder on the x100v show the frames when wcl or tcl are attached? Because if not the usability on the x-pro3 would be better, since we're talking of cameras that make their OVF a big selling point. Thanks.
Personally I use the WCL-X70 wide angle converter on my X100F and that works fine
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Thanks for the great Video. If you do not own the 23/2 how can you judge that the X100V is better? To me in direct comparison the 23/2 is better then the 23/1.4 in sharpness and generating space in the picture.
Oh I've owned and shot with the 23 f2 and directly compared it to the 23 1.4 in a side by side, detailed comparison. There is no way the 23 f2 is sharper (when you factor close focus and wide open) than the 23 1.4, but the good news is that the difference is extremely subtle. If the 23 f2 works for you, that's great! I'm only talking serious pixel peeping.
Hi, Andrew! Great review as always and the one I'm looking for cos I already have the 23 1.4, I just decided that I would want to get my hands on a V and would want to go for the silver but I'm too worried about the wear and tear of this paint. Can you give me your thoughts and how your silver V is holding up after some time of use from scratches and dents? I heard about it having different paint etc but I had bad experience with silver xt20 that collected scratches like crazy. Thank you!
Thank u so much for this video - as I've been in two minds what to buy - either the 23f/1.4 for the XT-2 or reluctantly upgrade much loved X100F to the want-2-hav X100V.. Now I can start selling gear to purchase the FUJI VVVVV!!!! Cheerz fum AU.
That is a lot of distortion on TCL, did fuji really left it like that or did you possibly not choose the converter setting from the menu? I saw that it is the first version of the adapter so I hoped that you forgot to tell the camera about the adapter:D I want to buy the adapter but that much distortion might be a deal breaker.
amazing review, but i have a question because i'm on budget : does the X100V have an integrated distortion correction with the TCL and WCL considering shooting in JPEG ( which are awesome on fuji's cameras ) ?? thank you very much
This was really helpful, considering buying back into a fuji system as iv owned a Panasonic fz1000 now for a whole purely for convenience of not having to carry about a load of different lenses so considering an x100v
Hi! Do you think that the wcl adapter could replace my 16mm 1.4 in terms of image quality and minimum focus distance, considering the size difference that is a plus for my purpose (street/documentary/travel). Thanks !
I can echo your findings with the TCL on the X100F...I've used it for publication while travelling and found that in the f4 - f8 range it still provided publishable quality. I love the close focus test with the WCL on the V...this is critical for me..I loved the size/weight with the body and two converters on the F. Still waiting for my V...this video was pure gold and perfectly done...thank you. I heard a rumor that another converter might be coming - an 18mm equiv...??
I had not heard that rumor. Though I have heard of some people putting the x-70's WCL on it for a 24mm equivalent. Haven't tried it myself but likely will.
As one of the few people who seem to like the 27mm pancake, I would love it if X100V 23mm F2 was sold as a pancake lens. But my guess is that it couldn't be done technically.
Thank you for the great Video! What i would have been really interested in would be a comparison in terms of image quality of the 23 f2 on the x-t3 and the x100v. Especially in close distance. I really like to shoot close distance stuff and specs wise it seems the x100v can even get closer than the interchangeable f2 which i own. Very interested in the 100v. My idea was to sell my beloved xf 23 f2, because i could take the x100v into the rain and also sell the 27 pancake, because it then is obsolet for me - to have some cash as a starting point :) But can the new lens keep up with the xf 23 f2? I know (and you already said it) you can't test everything. If you could do a comparison on the closest distance of the 23mm f2 on the xt3 or xpro3 and the x100v, which would be at about 22cm and then on top also a shot at the closest focus distance of the x100v ... that would be awesome to have a look at the results ... Or if not possible, could i kindly ask you to just tell me what you think: Is the lens of the x100v better, on par, worse than the xf23 f2 at the minimum focus distance and overall? Anyway thank you again for this great video and the ones before - thanks and keep up with your good stuff!!! I really enjoy it!!! Greetings
Thanks for another great video. Have been following your channel for a while. I bought a x100v five days ago. I am a little concerned with the performance of the lens and was wondering if I might not have a good copy. The problem is that my other camera is a Sony A7riii and maybe I am expecting too much from it. When comparing the detail I get from my Sony 35mm f1.8 at f2 to the x100v at f2, there is literally no comparison - the Sony is so much sharper and has much greater contrast (raw file comparison). I find the x100v at f2 soft in comparison. I would hate to keep it if it's a bad copy. Would be grateful for any advice.
The greatest PITA (and IMHO) goof Fuji commited with these adapters, is that they didn't think this beforehand and developed the cameras with a bayonet mount up-front. Maybe even using the greedy filter-cum-shade contraption. I own the pair (V I) but other than testing them didn't use them much _in the real world._ They make me remember my Father in Law's Retina IIIc (delicate piece of poor, albeit fine German engineering) that harbored a Wide Angle and a Tele adapters, not unlike the ones Fuji have (but worse, much worse!). However, the kind of optical refinement that Fuji invested in their converters is notable, even if the results are inevitably poor. In any case they're quantum leaps ahead of the idiocies Chinese manufacturers still make and offer for all kind of cameras. Whenever possible use the "digital zoom" or even crop and doctor in Photoshop. You will save money and grief. 😉
As I mentioned, the 23 f2 is optically very similar to the x100f lens. And the issues on both lenses are well documented (flaring and softness wide open and up close, especially)
Not officially. I thought that it was, but they only officially claim it is with the filter adapter and filters. But when I look at the differences between these converter lenses and those filters, they seem about the same. I'd trust these conversion lenses to tighten things up for general bad weather. Wouldn't push it though.
@@AndrewGoodCamera So you think xf 23mm is a clear winner? From my research, I think that x100v is a better lens wide open. Just my observation watching youtube videos.
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Another great review, thanks. My less elaborate testing showed exactly the same results. Something I wanted to add in favour of the TCL, however, is using it as a minimalistic portrait set-up for (bright) daylight shooting, where the combination of f2, ND filter, leaf shutter and high sync fill-flash gives really great results, which would require a fair bit of gear to emulate with the other lens combinations. Combined with the X100F I found that the images were a bit too soft for this use, but now with the V the centre resolution is sufficient, I think, specially for JPEG shooters, as a tiny bit of centre softness in portraits is not that unwelcome (the corner softness is not an issue in that situation, but rather gives you a bit of 'resolution vignetting'). Maybe a topic for another video!
Another advantage of using the lens attachments is of course the complete weather sealing you get for the X100V, and I find exchanging the WCL/TCL adaptors also less stressful than exchanging lenses in difficult outdoor situations as I don't have to worry about the sensor getting impacted by dust, rain, salt-spray ...
A comparison between the 23/1.4 and the X100V is exactly what I've been looking for ever since the latter came out. Great stuff!
Dear Andrew, Your enthusiasm and your love what you do is unmatched. It is a pleasure to watch your videos! Thank you!
Great review, confirm what I found unscientifically. I'm in love with my X100(s)(f)(v) and it's absolutely a pleasure to be able to rely sometimes on these (cheaper) conversion lenses
This is the best and only video I’ve seen taking these converters as seriously as any X mount lens. It’s the most informative and comparative video on RUclips and I love that you put this together, thank you so much!
I have a TCL-X100 that I use on my X100F occasionally. Last year I modded it by gluing a tiny magnet inside the mount to act as the version II. It takes some testing to find the right spot for the tele indication and it is possible to make it indicate as the wide converter if you are not careful. The magnet has to be sufficiently thin to not interfere with the mount.
It would be of great service if you posted instructions somewhere and a link here.
Not mine, but this is a decent source ... ruclips.net/video/HyaAcfESGuo/видео.html
@@VargasKoch It's a great tip and it works perfectly; tried it with a fridge bottle opener that has both polarities and triggered both the W and T labels on the screen. I now only need to find a small piece of stick on magnet tape.
X100v with the leaf shutter, TCL and off camera flash could be a dynamite combination for outdoor portraiture.
Steve Hambley i do more portraiture than landscapes with the combination you mentioned 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
There is a well-known "hack" to glue small magnets into the conversion lenses to let the camera autodetect them, which turns on correction. For the benefit of this pixel peeping comparison, it's of course better to look at the uncorrected image because a correction algorithm can't create information where there is none.
Interesting content: I've always heard 'conversion' lenses were a complete waste of money but that doesn't appear to be the case with these.....I thought their performance based on your tests was ratherspectacular especially considering the extra punch they provide the lovely x100 platform. Impressive.
Interesting and I geeked out on the whole video. However if (really when) I buy the 100V I am not gonna be buying it to carry around extra lenses. If I wanted to do that I would just get the X Pro 3 and change lenses to whatever I want to use. It is good to see that the 100V is as excellent as it is. I suspect that my talent would be the limiting factor in either scenario. Thanks for the video.
A few more pros of the conversion lenses are the weather resistence they provide to the lense (as they seal the front element) and that they are 200 bugs cheaper compared to the xe4 with the three cheapest corresponding lenses
Thanks for this comparison. It clarified a lot in making my decision. The good quality of this content is appreciated.
Excellent review! Thank you! I would love to see Fuji improve on the design and optics of the lenses to be fully on par with what this new generation of x100's will offer.
Very nice analysis! I for one don’t plan on adding one of those adapters to my x100v ever… I think it defeats the purpose of the x100’s which is portability. The stock lens is all I need.
Thank you! I'm the guy that won't mind having also the TCL adapter.
It does more than just tag exiff data -- the version II also activates the camera setting that removes the distortion. If you've got the version one and you've forgotten to tell the camera via the menu and you've attached it... well that would explain the pincushion you're describing.
I was thinking it might be that. There's no way this pincushion is supposed to be there, it really looks like the lens correction wasn't switched on.
23 1.4 is probably the most underrated Fuji lens. Especially when compared to 16 and 56. 35 1.4 gets its due credit.
Agreed. I love it
Great video! Thanks for the "leg work"! I really agree with your comments around the WCL. For several years I used an X100S and the WCL was glued to the front of it!
Just received my first X100, a vi, and have on order the WCL. Your review of the WCL/II gives me confidence, so i hope my experience matches your insightful review. Thanks.
AF beats sharpness any time, you are correct! Pitty that wide adapter is not wide enough and tele adapter is not sharp enough. Thanks for the great video.
Thanks man. This was the review I was looking for.
One question: is there like a lens correction setting in LR or C1 that corrects the pincushioning of the TCL? That would make it a lot more usable.
(I'm really hoping I can get the X100V to take portraits in my spare time with the TCL without feeling like I'm just wasting good photos :-) )
Curious if anyone has found a workaround for this
amazing video, thank you! also: the first ad in a long time i didn't skip because you I felt like you really meant it - you were recommending them, more than they "bought themselves a spot". That's good marketing!
Guess if I clicked on the video JUST to see how the 100V compares to the 23 f2,0....... :´(
For those unhappy with the TCL pincushioning - Apparently the TCL II automatically corrects the pincushion. I have not tested it myself though...
the review was very intuitive and detailed, he said everything I was needing and wondering for the past few days. I really enjoyed it after seeing the review and experiencing the TCL with portrait photography on the X100V firsthand. It does a lot better than XF 35f/2.0, at least under my experience. In the future I will have to equip both TCL and WCL for my beloved X100V. Thank you very much!
Great one , I always like your review. Could you add X100V with WCL snap on and more sample photos of it please.
I always had this question to myself, thanks for making a video for it. As a hobbyist I'm using xpro3 with 18,23/2,35/2. IMO these two cameras are also built for aesthetics so if 35 is one of your favorite focal length then the xpro option is a no brainier because the TCL kills the look of the x100 :)
Yup. That TCL looks like some sort of Pilgrim gun barrel. :)
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If your biggest concern is aesthetics, I can agree with you. However, the X100/TCL combo has some distinct advantages over the X-Pro and 35mm F2. System size being a big one. While the X100V/TCL combo approaches the X-Pro/35 f2 in size by itself, a smaller and more complete system can be put together with the X100 series of cameras. The reason is the built in ND filter and more importantly the X100's leaf shutter. There is no need to carry around screw on ND filters for long exposures(landscapes) and no need for HSS if adding flash(outdoor portraits in bright conditions).
The tiny in-built flash becomes INCREDIBLY powerful and a compact flash such as the Godox v350/Flashpoint Li-Ion Zoom Mini can easily match a full size speedlight on the X-Pro once you pass its 1/250 sync speed(not uncommon outdoors). I can pack my X100S, TCL, a capable lighting kit(2x Zoom Mini's, Rouge Flashbender, gels, Canon TTL cable) and ancillary gear(batteries, card wallet, bongo ties/Nano Clamp for placing speedlights) all in a rather small Think Tank Mirrorless Mover 25i shoulder bag with a little room to spare.
If you're strictly a 'natural light' photographer, or only shoot in controlled spaces(such as a studio or indoors), obviously the X-Pro will be a better option but so would any interchangeable lens camera. If you regularly find yourself outdoors and needing to add light, don't discount the capabilities of an X100 series camera. You'd be missing out.
@@jimmyhill9591 Great points Jimmy. I actually had the xpro2 and x100f before but decided on downsizing to one body and went with the xpro3. Size wise the x100 is smaller, but I like the handling on the xpro more and both systems fits into my peak design 5L sling. What I miss most is the silent shutter and built in ND filter. I don't use flash so it doesn't bother me. It is good that Fuji is giving us options as different systems can fit different users.
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"𝘐 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘹𝘱𝘳𝘰2 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘹100𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘥𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘥𝘰𝘸𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘻𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘹𝘱𝘳𝘰3"
If you're only going to have one body then the interchangeable lens system wins every time. Even if the TCL/WCL were optically perfect(they're not, but close enough for my usage) the limited 3 focal length options just isn't as versatile. That's why I have a pair of X-T2's as my workhorses, so no faulting you there. Now if Fuji came out with a few leaf shutter lenses for the X-mount.....?????
one video that the internet really needed ! thanks
but keep in mind the price of the whole package of x100 series with its conversions would really make sense despite its compromises. especially for an enthusiast who doesnt mind investing too much in a system.
i remember i bought my x100t back in 2014 in a promotion fuji offered almost 1500 usd for the camera and both conversion lenses, and i cant tell you how happy i am with that deal.
and also its an awesome start for people like me who want to try diiferent focal lenght prime lenses.
Good point
This is awesome thanks for doing this! Only comparison I have been able to find of these lenses! 👏🙌🤝🤜🤛👍
First? Thanks for the review. TCL performance is making having second thoughts about X100V as I prefer the 50mm equivalent more than the 35 mm equivalent.
Congrats. Something to add to your resume. ;) jk
Denae & Andrew at least I added more comments after watching your video :p
I do prefer 50mm as well :/
wow the x100V daaannnggg I'm shook.
Wow man, I wouldn't have thought that the x100v lens was that close to the 23/1.4 which is one of my fav lenses. Previously I didn't get into the x100 simply because I know the IQ eventually would annoy me (as with the 23/2), but this is a different game.
Dope hoodie.
This was a really great video. I'm curious though, were lens corrections applied in post for the TCL shot? I haven't seen that much distortion myself.
TCL was version one, so no automatic correction
Looking at the pincushion distortion and soft corners of the TCL (a lens I really wanna have) makes me even more sad that DXO Photolab doesn’t support Fuji cameras with X-Trans sensors 😕
Great review and comparison as always. Your studio lighting is amazing!
Side note, where did you get that incredible Kodak hoodie?
I agree, focus accuracy is more important than IQ. My order of preference is Ergonomics -> Consistency -> Image quality. If I feel the overall camera lens package is too front heavy, I lose interest in working my shot, and I am not as nimble/ confident. "Consistency", relates to if a lens performs as expected most/ all the time and without my having to adjust my shooting for a specific gear/ lens. This is the realm of AF consistency, Field Curvature, focus marking calibration etc. Finally, IQ. When all the photographic stars align, what is the optical sharpness and color rendition, CA and coma. Most optical IQ issues can be mitigated en-post, but if you miss focus, that's it.
such a nice jacket
Good stuff Andrew, thanks for keeping the content coming
Bought the TCLii at a discount and now this video has me wanting the WCLii and it wasn’t even on my radar! Thanks! Haha
Super helpful! And yes, this was a question I had, so greatly appreciate this comparison.
I've been debating just selling my Fuji XT2 and lenses and just rolling with the X100V haha.
Same
I did.And bought an X100F 1,5 year ago and never going back. I have the TCL II en WCL II lenses, and only use the TCL on a city trip. It's not as sharp as top line lenses but its very very good. And when I print my travel and family pics in a book the colors are amazing and sharpness top notch! I love this small camera!
Great video - nice to see a direct comparison. One thing I was wondering though - do you happen to be able to procure a WCL-X70 adapter lens? I've picked one up for my X100V, and find it quite handy. Whilst it doesn't have the magnets inside to tell the X100V that it's a wide adapter, you can flip this in the settings. From my tests it makes makes the X100V shoot at the (FF) equivalent of about 25mm, and otherwise it seems pretty good on IQ. My tests are no where as detailed as yours.
Woe! I had no idea you could do this. I NEED to try this. Where did you post your results?
@@AndrewGoodCamera I've not posted any results - and my initial test was pretty rough (and I'm just an enthusiast). I'll see if I can find some time on Monday/Tuesday to be a bit more scientific and get some test shots with the WCL-X70 vs the WCL-X100II.
Would really like to see the X100V, the TCL, and some flash portraits above 1/1000.
There is a live conversation between Zack Arias and Matt Brandon where Zack is giving a very good example on that subject. The talk is a good one on x100v in general. Just search in youtube “A LIVE conversation with photographer Zack Arias about the Fujifilm x100v.” + the channel of Matt Brandon.
Hi Andrew, thanks for you comparison. It seems, disregarding lots of things, small and wide, “v” & WCL, and longer and big, xPro and whatever lens.
Have you compared IQ on a cropped in image on the “v” to a TCL image?
Thanks again
I second this, only from curiosity.
I did test that feature, but it feels gimmicky. I can't imagine when this would make more sense than shooting in raw and cropping in post, or even just cropping the JPG. It doesn't improve the image quality, it's literally a digital crop, and you can't do it whilst shooting in raw at all. Additionally, you can't map the functionality to a button. I could see the value if you could crop similar to how you can change the aspect ratio, but still shoot in raw. That would allow you to compose within the crop. But currently, it feels worthless to me.
@@AndrewGoodCamera thanks Andrew
About to go on a trip, I'm tempted to carry only my X100V. I once managed, last century, two weeks in Italy with two M bodies _(one for Color, another for B&W)_ and 4 lenses: 28, 35, 50 & 75; the catch was bountiful.
The X100V is enticing me to go with just the camera, the WCL and use the digital conversion for tighter framing. Have you ever compared the TCL (hineous, heavy contraption that you must go to a procession of screwing steps to affix and then reverse), and the digital pseudo zoom via the Digital Conversion menu? It would save me sometime in the last days before boarding.
TIA, keep on the good work!
Thanks for making this. Actually looking at the X100V vs Ricoh GRIII. I'm more familiar with the Fuji system and I have an affinity for the aesthetics and and the OVF shooting experience.
Do you think that the TCL weakness are exacerbated by the fact that the conversion lens was designed for the previous gen lens of the X100 series? I don't mind. softness in the corners, but that pincushioning was pretty intense.
No I think it's probably worse on the prior generation, honestly. But didn't have one to directly compare. And actually, the pincoishoning is not hard to correct in post. I believe it is corrected automatically with the TCL II (I was using the I).
Which versions of the WCL and TCL did you use? The version II is has connection to let the camera autocorrect the imperfections like pincushion not just to write in the exifs...
Good point. I was using version 1. but I'd rather have it minus corrections for this test. But I should have probably talked about that.
So yet another video?
When photographing your kids which would you be most likely to pick up between the 23mm f1.4 and the x100v? I mainly photograph my kids so wondering on a practical level (as kids move around heaps and your percentages for the focus weren't that different) which you'd choose knowing how much you love both the xf23mm f1.4 and x100v
Depends on which body you'll be shooting on the 23mm 1.4.
@@AndrewGoodCameraoh I should have specified! I have the X-T3
I believe the XT3 w/ 23 1.4 is slightly more accurate, based on my tests.
@@AndrewGoodCamera oh real! Gutted to hear that as I sold that lens due to the focus missing and hunting too much. I was hoping the x100v would be quicker and more accurate 😔
Haha. Sorry for the bad news. The x100v is amazing. But just not quite as accurate as I'd like in crazy situations (and what's more crazy than photographing active kids?). If speed and accurate focus is you're top priority, honestly, Fuji isn't quite as good as Canon or Sony's flagships.
Hi, thanks for the video. Does the optical finder on the x100v show the frames when wcl or tcl are attached? Because if not the usability on the x-pro3 would be better, since we're talking of cameras that make their OVF a big selling point. Thanks.
You will know if the camera has recognized it because otherwise the adapter gets in the way of the X100 peep hole.
putting the magnet in the version-1-lenses works great and saves the day 'cause I was always too stupid to change the setting in camera.
Personally I use the WCL-X70 wide angle converter on my X100F and that works fine
Thanks for the great Video. If you do not own the 23/2 how can you judge that the X100V is better? To me in direct comparison the 23/2 is better then the 23/1.4 in sharpness and generating space in the picture.
Oh I've owned and shot with the 23 f2 and directly compared it to the 23 1.4 in a side by side, detailed comparison. There is no way the 23 f2 is sharper (when you factor close focus and wide open) than the 23 1.4, but the good news is that the difference is extremely subtle. If the 23 f2 works for you, that's great! I'm only talking serious pixel peeping.
Hi, Andrew! Great review as always and the one I'm looking for cos I already have the 23 1.4, I just decided that I would want to get my hands on a V and would want to go for the silver but I'm too worried about the wear and tear of this paint. Can you give me your thoughts and how your silver V is holding up after some time of use from scratches and dents? I heard about it having different paint etc but I had bad experience with silver xt20 that collected scratches like crazy. Thank you!
At 8:14 where was that photo taken? Great review thanks I'm getting my x100v in the mail tomorrow and I'm stoked!
That photo was taken at the Arizona Strip between St George and Vegas. Middle of nowhere. Enjoy that x100v! So sad we couldn't keep ours.
For me Fuji 23mm f/2 pictures look more pleasing than X100V. I would choose X-T4 with that lens over x100v any time of the day:)
The xt4 wasn’t mentioned in this video
Where did you get that nice pullover??
Thank u so much for this video - as I've been in two minds what to buy - either the 23f/1.4 for the XT-2 or reluctantly upgrade much loved X100F to the want-2-hav X100V.. Now I can start selling gear to purchase the FUJI VVVVV!!!! Cheerz fum AU.
Enjoy it Ian!
You can attach a tiny magnet on the mrk1 versions, and the camera will register it just like the mrk2.
This might not work with the X100V. I have heard reports of modded lenses not working on it.
Is the best video i saw of this products. Thanks !
i love that hoodie, where did you get it? great video as usual
Not made anymore
Dope hoodie!
That is a lot of distortion on TCL, did fuji really left it like that or did you possibly not choose the converter setting from the menu? I saw that it is the first version of the adapter so I hoped that you forgot to tell the camera about the adapter:D I want to buy the adapter but that much distortion might be a deal breaker.
amazing review, but i have a question because i'm on budget : does the X100V have an integrated distortion correction with the TCL and WCL considering shooting in JPEG ( which are awesome on fuji's cameras ) ?? thank you very much
Yes. But it's a quick correction in Lightroom, even on JPG.
This was really helpful, considering buying back into a fuji system as iv owned a Panasonic fz1000 now for a whole purely for convenience of not having to carry about a load of different lenses so considering an x100v
Hi! Do you think that the wcl adapter could replace my 16mm 1.4 in terms of image quality and minimum focus distance, considering the size difference that is a plus for my purpose (street/documentary/travel). Thanks !
I wish I could say it could. But for me, it was not an adequate substitute
Great video. Great quality......what is you gear for videos ? Thx
Thanks. The video was filmed with the Panasonic S1H for main cam and X-T3 for b-cam.
I love your Kodak hoodie!!! May I ask where you picked that up??
I can echo your findings with the TCL on the X100F...I've used it for publication while travelling and found that in the f4 - f8 range it still provided publishable quality. I love the close focus test with the WCL on the V...this is critical for me..I loved the size/weight with the body and two converters on the F. Still waiting for my V...this video was pure gold and perfectly done...thank you. I heard a rumor that another converter might be coming - an 18mm equiv...??
I had not heard that rumor. Though I have heard of some people putting the x-70's WCL on it for a 24mm equivalent. Haven't tried it myself but likely will.
Nice comparison - thanks!
As one of the few people who seem to like the 27mm pancake, I would love it if X100V 23mm F2 was sold as a pancake lens. But my guess is that it couldn't be done technically.
The lens extends quite a ways into the camera body. It's not a pancake length.
@@AndrewGoodCamera I figured that had to be the case and it couldn't be made into a pancake lens. Oh well.
Can you please check the digital tele conversation on x 100v.
Thanks so much for doing this work. Very helpful for some of us Fuji shooters.
thank you very much for the comparison!
Where did you get that sweater?
Thank you for the great Video! What i would have been really interested in would be a comparison in terms of image quality of the 23 f2 on the x-t3 and the x100v. Especially in close distance. I really like to shoot close distance stuff and specs wise it seems the x100v can even get closer than the interchangeable f2 which i own. Very interested in the 100v. My idea was to sell my beloved xf 23 f2, because i could take the x100v into the rain and also sell the 27 pancake, because it then is obsolet for me - to have some cash as a starting point :) But can the new lens keep up with the xf 23 f2? I know (and you already said it) you can't test everything. If you could do a comparison on the closest distance of the 23mm f2 on the xt3 or xpro3 and the x100v, which would be at about 22cm and then on top also a shot at the closest focus distance of the x100v ... that would be awesome to have a look at the results ... Or if not possible, could i kindly ask you to just tell me what you think: Is the lens of the x100v better, on par, worse than the xf23 f2 at the minimum focus distance and overall? Anyway thank you again for this great video and the ones before - thanks and keep up with your good stuff!!! I really enjoy it!!! Greetings
Thanks for another great video. Have been following your channel for a while. I bought a x100v five days ago. I am a little concerned with the performance of the lens and was wondering if I might not have a good copy. The problem is that my other camera is a Sony A7riii and maybe I am expecting too much from it. When comparing the detail I get from my Sony 35mm f1.8 at f2 to the x100v at f2, there is literally no comparison - the Sony is so much sharper and has much greater contrast (raw file comparison). I find the x100v at f2 soft in comparison. I would hate to keep it if it's a bad copy. Would be grateful for any advice.
Full frame and no limit on glass size vs compact camera, APS-C and limited lens size. Sony is going to win for sure.
love this comparison good job
Nice video, please can you tell lens manufacturers especially Fuji, to give us an 18mm f1.2 lens I will be very grateful...
Thanks for all test with x100v
The greatest PITA (and IMHO) goof Fuji commited with these adapters, is that they didn't think this beforehand and developed the cameras with a bayonet mount up-front. Maybe even using the greedy filter-cum-shade contraption. I own the pair (V I) but other than testing them didn't use them much _in the real world._
They make me remember my Father in Law's Retina IIIc (delicate piece of poor, albeit fine German engineering) that harbored a Wide Angle and a Tele adapters, not unlike the ones Fuji have (but worse, much worse!).
However, the kind of optical refinement that Fuji invested in their converters is notable, even if the results are inevitably poor. In any case they're quantum leaps ahead of the idiocies Chinese manufacturers still make and offer for all kind of cameras.
Whenever possible use the "digital zoom" or even crop and doctor in Photoshop. You will save money and grief. 😉
okay the video is cool and all but..
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT HOODIE BROO DAMMMM
That hoody!!!
Pity one cannot get a Kodachrome Version, the best film ever :-)
After watching almost 10 vidéos and many hours of searching, I'm happy to say that I still don't wich one I'll buy ;-;
Forget logic and buy with your heart.
@@AndrewGoodCamera i fall (felt🤔) in love with both😭😭
Sorry english isnt my mother tongue ^^'
x100v is just better all around. The WCL was definitely better. Only the TCL wasn’t as good. Overall the x100v is better than the xpro3.
Since you're not gonna make a video vs the xf 23mm f2, do you mind commenting on why you said the x100v new lens is better than the xf 23mm f2?
As I mentioned, the 23 f2 is optically very similar to the x100f lens. And the issues on both lenses are well documented (flaring and softness wide open and up close, especially)
Is the x100v weather resistant with the WCL/TCL?
Not officially. I thought that it was, but they only officially claim it is with the filter adapter and filters. But when I look at the differences between these converter lenses and those filters, they seem about the same. I'd trust these conversion lenses to tighten things up for general bad weather. Wouldn't push it though.
I find 100v 23mm sharper than 23mm 1.4. Or it has a better contrast.
Another great video
Invalid, I noticed the ISO and in turn, the shutter speed was not the same, why not? Wouldn't you want everything to be the same in a comparison?
Auto ISO and shutter. Values were not significant enough to effect sharpness in any way.
Thanks for sharing this excellent information. Really good research.
Is there a macro lens for the x100v
No, but it focuses very close, as it is.
This is good stuff.
Can you compare x100v lens with xf 23mm f2 ?
Nah. It's pretty clear which is better. I wouldn't learn anything
@@AndrewGoodCamera So you think xf 23mm is a clear winner? From my research, I think that x100v is a better lens wide open. Just my observation watching youtube videos.
No. As I said in this video, the 23 f2 is optically similar to the early x100 23mm lenses. All are inferior to the x100v
I don’t care if the converter lenses work. Does the silver finish match? Not one of Fuji’s strong points. No, I’m not kidding
man, you r good...
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Didn't you do a review of these lenses on an X100F and say they weren't worth it? ruclips.net/video/_HFSFC4EkQM/видео.html
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these images look exactly the same
Haha. Yup
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