I was just bagging up dried anthemis flowers yesterday, wondering if they might be too dry by now for dyeing - your video has answered my question! Love these videos, thank you!
Fascinating process. How do you dry it? I have not seen how you filter it? Maybe, a speeded up part or just explaining the process. What did you add to it ? Walnut oil or linseed oil? Have you ever used a frosted glass plate instead of marble?
Fascinating video as usual. I like the idea of making lake pigments because of the simplicity of ingredients and equipment. Thanks for another informative video.
The main yellow dye in Chamomile is luteolin, same stuff as in Weld. I think there is literature with info on how to manipulate the yellow color of Weld. A faint memory suggests using Calcium-something during precipitation for a brighter yellow color.
A pipette may be useful for adding the sodium bicarbonate a bit slower lol But oh man is that color beautiful! I've been wanting to make lake pigments for a long time but I just haven't had the opportunity to get the materials I need yet. I won't give up though. Also, have you tried making natural purple dyes? I recently watched someone make pigment from purple sweet potato and it was gorgeous.
What is the purpose of the bicarb? If I'm not mistaken, it's behaving as a base to neutralize the acidic pigment compound to crash it out of solution. Have you tried using some non-fomaing base like sodium hydroxide? I think you might get the same yield but without the frothing from the bicarb. By the way, I think the primary pigment here is apigenin, which as you mentioned, is quite similar chemically (by one OH group) to the luteolin pigment in the pomegranate lake.
You maybe be right about the hydroxide being a better choice, I had not really considered it as most of the old recipes suggest soda but that may of been because it was cheaper in the 19th century
Hi I have watched your video a couple of times great info. But can you explain the washing process you mention but do not show as not sure how to do that stage ?
Hi! I love your video and tried it at home with tansy (boerenwormkruid in Dutch) which gave a rich mustard-like yellow color. In the proces I didn't have any foam tho, and I wonder why that happened? The solution also stayed quite yellow after the precipitationproces, there is still a lot of dissolved color left in the water. Should I have added more washing soda?
So how lasting or light fast are these plant pigments, are they viable for painting or only dying. And where does one get a hot plate like yours it's pretty nifty!
I wonder if something like this would also work with plants like Canadian goldenrod - that's invasive here in Germany and even though I really like how it looks, I'd rather see more native plants 🤔 At least, when harvesting them for making colours, I wouldn't just be pulling them out for nothing (which kinda feels wrong, at least a bit, even though they're invasive here). Also, that yellow looks nice and I could really imagine that mixture would smell awesome ❤❤❤
Hello,can i use calcium carbonate instead of sodium carbonate ? Thanks for the great vieeo 💐🌸🌻 And in this case will the amount of calcium carbonate will change or I can add it 13 grams like you are did with sodium carbonate?
I love the yellow/gold colour. Do you have a range of watercolours on sale? Would love to try them out especially yellow, blue and red. Thank you for sharing your skills on RUclips.
can you do a video on Goldenrod? or Weld Flower? I have loads of them that grow in my area but I could never get the pigment to come out right and I'd love to see how you do it
me too, would like to see a video on Goldenrod; I've ordered some of it's pieces and in any case will try to make an oil paint from it and share with you.
Hello! Thank you so much for the amazing video! I have a question. Can we also add sodium carbonate in solid form? Also, can we do this for other flowers as well? Like extracting pigment from rose with sodium carbonate solution?
Hi there. I’m wondering if you would mind sharing where you got your hot plate and stir bar from? I’m keen to try to make some lake pigments with local leaves. Cheers
Hi Jeremy! I have recently discovered your channel. I loved the way you used the flower for making paint. The process you used is very interesting indeed, never thought of it. I just had a question, if it's ok, I am also venturing into DIY homemade lotions, was wondering whether we could use the process while also making hydrosols with home based utensils? (And just to save time, would it be recommended?)
While I have never made lake pigments before (been looking to start), I have made lots of meringues in my time with baking. The more you stir, the more air gets added to the mixture. If you don't want so much foam, shouldn't you turn the stirring down? Like I said, I've never made lake pigments so chemically-wise, it could be different.
@@TheAlchemicalArts I think it might be worth a try to do the exact opposite by stirring less, especially from above (your stirring thing at the bottom of the container is great because it shouldn't pull any air in) Another neat baking trick that might translate well into this experiment is the trick with making the sugar syrup when doing italian butter cream frosting. When boiling the sugar water, you use a brush with water to wash the sugar particles that creep up on the sides of the pot, back down into the mixture, doing this prevents a sudden boil-over (as the bubbles cling to the sugar particles on the sides of the pot, it can just all of a sudden expand like crazy and boil over just like the foam did in your video) You can perhaps try the same technique using a brush of water to "wash" the sides of the glass to keep the particles from creeping up the sides of the glass, see if that also helps.
I made lake pigments from dried pomegrante peel and dried buckthorn bark, I saw that alum addition before filtration retains in the filter tannin and some dark constituents because alum binds these things. If the alum is added right before sodium the lake might be darker. From other hand, I read info that the presence of tannin can help to get more lightfast pigments, but I'm not sure about that, I'd just tell that my oil paint made from buckthorn bark contains tannins and had no change for a year under sunlight.
@@alexandrdementiev8750 thanks, Alexander for answering to my alum adding question. Your answer makes sense :) And yes, tannin helps to gets more lightfast pigments - it makes same thing in natural dyeing or in screenprinting & in so called ecoprinting. But have to say, that water soluable plant dyes are not as lightfast as more synthetic paints.
i tried to turn an Ipomea tricolor into paint, its ink is pink when boiled, so i added alumn, but when i added washing soda it turned into a blue greenish color, very beautiful indeed, but no what i expected. How do i know which substance will change color when added soda? Like, i didnt know Ipomea would turn green..
perhaps too late to reply, but i'm fairly certain the colour change was due to anthocyanins in the plant. anthocyanins are what gives most purple or "red" plants (like red cabbage and red onion) their colour but they are also sensitive to changes in pH; the addition of the washing soda was a dramatic change in alkalinity and thus also in the colour of your paint. i don't know if anthocyanins are the only pH-sensitive plant pigments, but any plant with high levels of them will have a similar colour change. you can look it up online to see a list of plants high in anthocyanins, but it's a safe bet that most red and purple plants are.
Hi! I'm a painter from Russia, great respects! You do very helpful work for artists. I'd like to ask a question: is the colorant situated in the whole plant of chamomile or in flowers only? It is hard to buy detached capes in my country, it is sold as the whole grown cut plants.
i can related i added too much glycerin to my watercolor paint to soften it and not have cracks and well its still and still wet, certain ones, not all, and its been days.
But...is this color resistant in time? Even it is a lake pigment, still the pigment provenance is natural. If this would dull just a little bit, it would be an ideal imitation of the so much craved Indian yellow
I will be sending more msg but no any response from your side .. Kindly suggest me, I want make a saynthatic reactive Dye's in blue color so please help me....
Hermosa cómo es la química y la naturaleza, estudiaba química pero hoy con proyecto de fibras vegetales.Gracias
Color divino genial genial
WOW!! What patience you have! Great demo. Beautiful color!
Thank you.
I watched it again. I think I may try make a lake pigment.
I am LOVING the Lake process!!! I'm a bit addicted!! I can't wait for more videos to expand my repetoire!! I am grateful to have found your channel.
I was just bagging up dried anthemis flowers yesterday, wondering if they might be too dry by now for dyeing - your video has answered my question! Love these videos, thank you!
OMG IM SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS VIDEO I LITERALLY JUST BOUGHT CHAMOMILE YESTERDAY!!!!
Wow!!! That foam just wasn't going away. Nice color! The gold is eye catching
It's really stubborn the foam
Love this color so much! Give off a very 60’s vibe!
Fascinating process. How do you dry it? I have not seen how you filter it? Maybe, a speeded up part or just explaining the process. What did you add to it ? Walnut oil or linseed oil? Have you ever used a frosted glass plate instead of marble?
The color is so stunning. Thank you for sharing.
Perfect I just found chamomile on the side of the road, it is just the video that i need ! Merci :D
Fascinating video as usual. I like the idea of making lake pigments because of the simplicity of ingredients and equipment. Thanks for another informative video.
Looks like it would be the perfect color to paint a sunflower 🌻
The main yellow dye in Chamomile is luteolin, same stuff as in Weld. I think there is literature with info on how to manipulate the yellow color of Weld. A faint memory suggests using Calcium-something during precipitation for a brighter yellow color.
Hey! Are you referring to Calcium Carbonate? For a brighter yellow?
Reminds me of Indian yellow watercolor (synthetic), very transparent and warm!
Lovely color & I can imagine how nice it is to have camomile smell. Thank you for the demo. All that lake paint making is quite time-consuming!
A pipette may be useful for adding the sodium bicarbonate a bit slower lol
But oh man is that color beautiful! I've been wanting to make lake pigments for a long time but I just haven't had the opportunity to get the materials I need yet. I won't give up though.
Also, have you tried making natural purple dyes? I recently watched someone make pigment from purple sweet potato and it was gorgeous.
OMY GOD, I REALLY MUST SEE A PURPLE POTATO!!!!!! Thanks!
What is the device you are using to stir your concoction? This is fascinating. Inspiring too.
Might be a tad late for an answer, but it looks a lot like a magnetic stirrer, like one would use in a laboratory or in chemistry classes 😊
What is the purpose of the bicarb? If I'm not mistaken, it's behaving as a base to neutralize the acidic pigment compound to crash it out of solution. Have you tried using some non-fomaing base like sodium hydroxide? I think you might get the same yield but without the frothing from the bicarb. By the way, I think the primary pigment here is apigenin, which as you mentioned, is quite similar chemically (by one OH group) to the luteolin pigment in the pomegranate lake.
You maybe be right about the hydroxide being a better choice, I had not really considered it as most of the old recipes suggest soda but that may of been because it was cheaper in the 19th century
Cheers for the confirmation of the pigment, organic chem is still such a weak point in my knowledge.
Hi I have watched your video a couple of times great info. But can you explain the washing process you mention but do not show as not sure how to do that stage ?
Hi! I love your video and tried it at home with tansy (boerenwormkruid in Dutch) which gave a rich mustard-like yellow color. In the proces I didn't have any foam tho, and I wonder why that happened? The solution also stayed quite yellow after the precipitationproces, there is still a lot of dissolved color left in the water. Should I have added more washing soda?
I enjoy so much these videos! Stunning channel! Chemistry and paint together! Thanks for sharing! 🙌
Your froth antics make me laugh EVERY. TIME.
So how lasting or light fast are these plant pigments, are they viable for painting or only dying. And where does one get a hot plate like yours it's pretty nifty!
Que lindo canal. Estoy en america del sur usando tintes de época textileria paracas son otras plantas pero intentaré tu método.
Awesome !!! Thank you !!
Brilliant! I’m just getting started with lake pigments. So informative. Thank you🌱🌿
On the marble it looks like single pigment quin gold
Thank u for the videos!!! Love all of them!
Can this be done with the dried Butterfly Pea flowers? They produce a very deep cobalt color, and when anything acidic is added, it becomes purple.
strong beautiful yellow :D
I wonder if something like this would also work with plants like Canadian goldenrod - that's invasive here in Germany and even though I really like how it looks, I'd rather see more native plants 🤔 At least, when harvesting them for making colours, I wouldn't just be pulling them out for nothing (which kinda feels wrong, at least a bit, even though they're invasive here). Also, that yellow looks nice and I could really imagine that mixture would smell awesome ❤❤❤
رائع جدا❤
Lovely
Just looks like yellow ochre to me, available over-the-counter at less than USD5 for 100g!
FINALLY I'VE BEEN WANTING TO TURN THE FLOWERS I COLLECTED INTO PAINT
Hello,can i use calcium carbonate instead of sodium carbonate ? Thanks for the great vieeo 💐🌸🌻
And in this case will the amount of calcium carbonate will change or I can add it 13 grams like you are did with sodium carbonate?
I love the yellow/gold colour. Do you have a range of watercolours on sale? Would love to try them out especially yellow, blue and red. Thank you for sharing your skills on RUclips.
can you do a video on Goldenrod? or Weld Flower? I have loads of them that grow in my area but I could never get the pigment to come out right and I'd love to see how you do it
me too, would like to see a video on Goldenrod; I've ordered some of it's pieces and in any case will try to make an oil paint from it and share with you.
Hello! Thank you so much for the amazing video! I have a question. Can we also add sodium carbonate in solid form? Also, can we do this for other flowers as well? Like extracting pigment from rose with sodium carbonate solution?
Beautiful color - reminds me of amber. Any prediction on how lightfast it will be? Thank you
I feel like it should have a reasonable lightfastness but time will tell.
Hi there.
I’m wondering if you would mind sharing where you got your hot plate and stir bar from? I’m keen to try to make some lake pigments with local leaves.
Cheers
They're available from chemical laboratory supply companies.
May I ask what kind of vacuum pump you're using?
lovely color! :D
How do you discard the water left after filtering? Is it safe to pour down the drain?
Yes it is safe to just go down the drain
A proper spatula would help break down the foam better, a wide silicon one from a cookshop or similar. Also, bigger beaker! :o)
The final colour is really beautiful. A great achievment. Beautiful for watercolour painting, but also for oil paint glazing.
Hi Jeremy! I have recently discovered your channel. I loved the way you used the flower for making paint. The process you used is very interesting indeed, never thought of it. I just had a question, if it's ok, I am also venturing into DIY homemade lotions, was wondering whether we could use the process while also making hydrosols with home based utensils? (And just to save time, would it be recommended?)
Precipitating with copper sulphate you will obtain a green lake.
What’s the type of camomile that you are using
what was mixture (ratio mix)with the sodium carb that u used? you didn't say .
Heating and stirring (aerating) bicarb when you're baking is the way to make a froth..isn't that what's going on here?
While I have never made lake pigments before (been looking to start), I have made lots of meringues in my time with baking. The more you stir, the more air gets added to the mixture. If you don't want so much foam, shouldn't you turn the stirring down? Like I said, I've never made lake pigments so chemically-wise, it could be different.
This might be the case though I feel like with this kind of foam I am trying to beat out the air.
@@TheAlchemicalArts I think it might be worth a try to do the exact opposite by stirring less, especially from above (your stirring thing at the bottom of the container is great because it shouldn't pull any air in)
Another neat baking trick that might translate well into this experiment is the trick with making the sugar syrup when doing italian butter cream frosting. When boiling the sugar water, you use a brush with water to wash the sugar particles that creep up on the sides of the pot, back down into the mixture, doing this prevents a sudden boil-over (as the bubbles cling to the sugar particles on the sides of the pot, it can just all of a sudden expand like crazy and boil over just like the foam did in your video) You can perhaps try the same technique using a brush of water to "wash" the sides of the glass to keep the particles from creeping up the sides of the glass, see if that also helps.
"What more could harm us"
*-a question followed by immediate regret*
Thanks for you videos
I made lake pigments from dried pomegrante peel and dried buckthorn bark, I saw that alum addition before filtration retains in the filter tannin and some dark constituents because alum binds these things. If the alum is added right before sodium the lake might be darker. From other hand, I read info that the presence of tannin can help to get more lightfast pigments, but I'm not sure about that, I'd just tell that my oil paint made from buckthorn bark contains tannins and had no change for a year under sunlight.
@@alexandrdementiev8750 thanks, Alexander for answering to my alum adding question. Your answer makes sense :) And yes, tannin helps to gets more lightfast pigments - it makes same thing in natural dyeing or in screenprinting & in so called ecoprinting. But have to say, that water soluable plant dyes are not as lightfast as more synthetic paints.
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I just started diving in the world of pigment making. Boiled red onion peels and after putting alum it went from violet to green 😅😂 any idea why?
how much do good magnetic stirrers cost?
I am your new follower. Love everything. Thank you so much. Can't get my eyes off that mustache tho.
i tried to turn an Ipomea tricolor into paint, its ink is pink when boiled, so i added alumn, but when i added washing soda it turned into a blue greenish color, very beautiful indeed, but no what i expected.
How do i know which substance will change color when added soda? Like, i didnt know Ipomea would turn green..
perhaps too late to reply, but i'm fairly certain the colour change was due to anthocyanins in the plant. anthocyanins are what gives most purple or "red" plants (like red cabbage and red onion) their colour but they are also sensitive to changes in pH; the addition of the washing soda was a dramatic change in alkalinity and thus also in the colour of your paint. i don't know if anthocyanins are the only pH-sensitive plant pigments, but any plant with high levels of them will have a similar colour change. you can look it up online to see a list of plants high in anthocyanins, but it's a safe bet that most red and purple plants are.
Hi! I'm a painter from Russia, great respects! You do very helpful work for artists. I'd like to ask a question: is the colorant situated in the whole plant of chamomile or in flowers only? It is hard to buy detached capes in my country, it is sold as the whole grown cut plants.
The dyer's chamomile leaves can also be used for dyeing, but they make slightly lime green shades of colour. For a pure yellow, just use the blossoms.
Can i boil in metal pot like steel or aluminium pot on gas stove.?????
Aluminum pot would work as steel might contaminate the colour. Also do heat it too much just hot not boiling
i can related i added too much glycerin to my watercolor paint to soften it and not have cracks and well its still and still wet, certain ones, not all, and its been days.
is this ligh fast?
Its been 80 years since we seen you
Hello, how can I replace the alum?
I wonder if titanium oxalate would be good replacement? Has anyone tried it out?
synthesize aqueous barium sulfate.
could you ad oil instead of water ?
Will any flowers do?
You can try any flowers but anthemis tinctoria has good colour compounds in it.
@@TheAlchemicalArts awesome! Thanks! 😎
But...is this color resistant in time? Even it is a lake pigment, still the pigment provenance is natural. If this would dull just a little bit, it would be an ideal imitation of the so much craved Indian yellow
If there not light fast no use
I will be sending more msg but no any response from your side ..
Kindly suggest me, I want make a saynthatic reactive Dye's in blue color so please help me....
I am not sure what kind of blue dye you mean?
@@TheAlchemicalArts I looking for syantetic Dye's, and this color used for in textile dye's