Ben Bikman - Why We Get Sick: The Role of Metabolism in Health

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @ny10980
    @ny10980 7 месяцев назад +219

    Ben Bikman has become my health guru. He doesn't give you the jive talk, doesn't takes his shirt off or sell you on his Patrion specials. And when he gives a lecture like this I am 10X more smarter about how to grow my body healthier each and every day! And this is why all the other influencers and talking heads want to interview him. Endless thanks to Professor Bikman!

    • @ellenh.4890
      @ellenh.4890 7 месяцев назад +8

      I totally agree with your comments

    • @dahof2789
      @dahof2789 7 месяцев назад +7

      100% Agree! He's fantastic!

    • @billoconnell653
      @billoconnell653 7 месяцев назад +5

      I couldn't say it better myself.

    • @Mark4Jesus
      @Mark4Jesus 7 месяцев назад +7

      Amen. He shares his knowledge for free. What a gem.

    • @KetoneDean
      @KetoneDean 7 месяцев назад +3

      I’ve learned some priceless information from him

  • @MyFatAdaptedLife
    @MyFatAdaptedLife 7 месяцев назад +122

    I could listen to Prof Bikman all day. He's brilliant. I learn something new every time I listen to him.

  • @chrismolloy131
    @chrismolloy131 7 месяцев назад +151

    My T2 journey
    Start
    205lbs, 6’ tall, 28% body fat, 38” pants, A1C 11.1, on Insulin, two T2 meds plus blood pressure meds.
    Regime for last 1 1/2 years
    Low carb (

    • @AF573
      @AF573 7 месяцев назад +2

      Keep up the good work 👍

    • @marymc6823
      @marymc6823 7 месяцев назад +1

      Fantastic!!🎉

    • @tarakelly4987
      @tarakelly4987 7 месяцев назад +3

      Congrats and way to go! 🙌 You are a role model of health for your family, friends and colleagues! Keep it going! 🤍

    • @DG-zt9mo
      @DG-zt9mo 7 месяцев назад

      Great 👍 keto or carnivore way of eating is so healing

    • @vickyye
      @vickyye 6 месяцев назад

      At what time you stop the T2 meds?

  • @jsteinagel5150
    @jsteinagel5150 7 месяцев назад +23

    So happy to see a medical Institute having Ben Bikman on and be open to changing the crazy paradigm we’ve all been prey to these last 50 to 70 years! Kudos to IHMC!!!

  • @DS-nv8bi
    @DS-nv8bi 7 месяцев назад +70

    i eat beef, eggs, and butter and after 2 years at the age of 67, i am on no meds or supplements. i get my food from a family farm with cattle eating grass. i am 5' 8" 147 down from 167 and am increasing my fat intake to lose my last 7 pounds. also, inflammation in my knees, hands, and stomach was gone in the first month of eating as a carnivore.

    • @Avagardner2608
      @Avagardner2608 6 месяцев назад +3

      How is your cholesterol?

    • @DS-nv8bi
      @DS-nv8bi 6 месяцев назад

      @@Avagardner2608 I have never had it checked and understand that cholesterol is necessary for my brain. when I have questions, I look them up on RUclips: Anthony Chaffee or Ken Berry.

    • @kathynewkirk683
      @kathynewkirk683 6 месяцев назад

      How do you prepare it? I find it gamey and not finding it very enjoyable…

    • @dangersmymiddlename6341
      @dangersmymiddlename6341 6 месяцев назад +2

      Per a cattle rancher there’s not that much omega 3’s in grass fed and with not as much saturated fat it doesn’t taste as good as grain finished.
      Ruminate animals like cattle can filter out a lot of unwanted things with their multi chamber digestive system.

    • @altahoe7
      @altahoe7 6 месяцев назад +5

      Ditto on all of your points including your age and so much more. Game changer.

  • @andersnorelius6876
    @andersnorelius6876 7 месяцев назад +25

    This is for me an all time high. I wish that this knowledge could be conveyed to "healthcare" all over the world. It would make a big difference.....

  • @billoconnell653
    @billoconnell653 7 месяцев назад +22

    Dr. Bikman is the nicest, most knowledgeable guy I wish could be. What a great role model for civility and intellect. Stay health my friends.

  • @tinawithoutcarbs
    @tinawithoutcarbs 7 месяцев назад +31

    Dr. Bikman’s presentations are so valuable. Following him definitely has enriched my life and I often share what I’ve learned from him with others who’ll listen. If you haven’t read his book, I highly recommend it.

  • @robertobattiston1
    @robertobattiston1 7 месяцев назад +42

    I literally just finished the STEMtalk with Dr Bikman and then find this?!? What a blessed day!

  • @jurga437
    @jurga437 6 месяцев назад +11

    I am myself teaching students about the metabolism and digestion, thus just wanted to tell you how impressed I am with how attractive, interesting and understandable you have presented the scientific facts. Amazing lecture!!! Thank you!!!

  • @Philusteen
    @Philusteen 7 месяцев назад +47

    Bikman is on my shortlist of videos that get an auto-like. 👍

  • @PTL77
    @PTL77 7 месяцев назад +10

    Whenever Dr. Ben Bikman speaks, you know you can trust him and should heed his advice which is not only practical but also easy to apply. I like his candour and friendly disposition which instills a great sense of reassurances to patients. What a gift to humanity! Thank you, Dr. Bikman❤

  • @salvatorefazzino5697
    @salvatorefazzino5697 7 месяцев назад +27

    This has been one of the most informative and educational lecture I’ve listened to. Dr Bikman thank you 🙏 however, the world needs to hear this lecture!!! God bless you!! Thank you 🙏

  • @mundhirkhatib8293
    @mundhirkhatib8293 7 месяцев назад +21

    This is another brilliant talk, thanks for your generosity .

  • @joearcuri3377
    @joearcuri3377 2 месяца назад +1

    one of the best lectures i've ever watched! Read Dr Binkman's book about a year and half ago and it literally changed my life and that of my closest friends. God bless this man and thank you for having him on your channel

  • @lemunbalm3731
    @lemunbalm3731 2 месяца назад +5

    This is one of his earlier lectures. I just love that in each lecture I understand not only a little bit more, but more comprehensively.
    At the end, he goes through his famous tips that he presents in an alliterative way:
    1) Prioritize protein
    2) Control carbohydrates
    3) Don’t Fear Fat
    He has since added two more to his list:
    4) Frequently fast
    5) Focus on Fiber (when eating carbs)

  • @sorrykay3450
    @sorrykay3450 7 месяцев назад +16

    Perfect presentation! Needs to be shared!

  • @DT-qm3bl
    @DT-qm3bl 3 месяца назад +3

    I'm from Singapore, and it's true. There's an increase of type 2 diabetes. I think Metabolic health should be designed & built into schools' curriculum as a subject for all students.

  • @sherrygaley4675
    @sherrygaley4675 7 месяцев назад +7

    One of Ben’s best presentations - and they are all good!

  • @lolo20adaify
    @lolo20adaify 7 месяцев назад +33

    What a masterclass 👏

  • @nurjimenez7401
    @nurjimenez7401 7 месяцев назад +11

    ❤I was blessed to meet him in person in January at Boca Raton symposium and had his book signed. So eloquent and very approachable.
    I have his new book preordered already so I hope he attends again and sign it for me.
    Thank you Dr. Bikman for what you do❤

  • @meatdog
    @meatdog 7 месяцев назад +8

    I started reading, digesting, studying your book today and I couldn't put it down. I read it cover to cover today and I couldn't be more excited. It cleared up some info abd confirmed that I am on the right track to reversing my insulin resistance. Thank you Dr. Bickman. Amazing book. Paula, FNP-BC

  • @kristaG73
    @kristaG73 5 месяцев назад +1

    He's literally doing the whole world a favor by working and presenting this to people.

  • @ihsnyder
    @ihsnyder 7 месяцев назад +16

    Excellent presentation as usual. A very talented teacher.

  • @gamerzsshorts2858
    @gamerzsshorts2858 2 месяца назад +305

    For everyone reading this, finding the banned book called the hidden herbs by anette ray should be your top priority

  • @REIMARAValk
    @REIMARAValk 7 месяцев назад +9

    Marvellous talk. Dr. Bikman has a talent for explaining complex concepts to help us get a better understanding of metabolic health. Informative and entertaining. Thank you very much Dr. BIKMAN

    • @dahof2789
      @dahof2789 7 месяцев назад +2

      Agreed. I listen 2 or 3 times to each of his videos and a little sinks in each time.

  • @Vonusias
    @Vonusias 5 месяцев назад +3

    This is a goldmine for anyone with discipline

  • @bufenuf642
    @bufenuf642 7 месяцев назад +17

    Outstanding Performance! Lecture extraordinaire! The Professor has illumined the topic so that I feel like the scarecrow in The Wizard Of Oz. You are an excellent teacher Ben. I appreciate more how God and Nature designed us to eat a certain way and will use your slides to explain things to my circle. I’m a believer and am looking and getting younger as I get older. Bless Doc Bikman and his family. Amen.

  • @ceptember.
    @ceptember. 4 месяца назад +2

    This has been the greatest presentation. Better than any he's done

  • @zselizabethtoth
    @zselizabethtoth 6 месяцев назад +3

    One of the best lectures I've ever listened to. Brilliant!

  • @225rip
    @225rip Месяц назад +1

    I need to watch this every week.

  • @andreiapalaciosturkenboom8251
    @andreiapalaciosturkenboom8251 5 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you, Dr. Bikman. Please keep spreading your wisdom.

  • @jozefserf2024
    @jozefserf2024 2 месяца назад +2

    47:48 "The best exercise is the one that you will do."

  • @barbaramoody2220
    @barbaramoody2220 7 месяцев назад +8

    SO good! Informative, easy to understand, helpful and useful.

  • @jon0604
    @jon0604 7 месяцев назад +12

    Ben, what about the Randle cycle as a mechanism of why insulin binding still resists glucose entering the cell? Also why metformin is a terrible idea since it is forcing the cells to take glucose and damaging the cells in the process

    • @kathya1956
      @kathya1956 7 месяцев назад

      Metformin prevents large ver from making glucose. It doesn’t force cell to take in glucose. Insulin does that. Listen again.

    • @adriansrfr
      @adriansrfr 7 месяцев назад

      Sugar and fat together confuse the cell leading to fat storage and insulin resistance. This explains why both vegetarian and keto diets can make you lean.

  • @mikecrowley7486
    @mikecrowley7486 4 дня назад

    Thanks , I enjoyed the presentation.

  • @ketocajun7451
    @ketocajun7451 2 месяца назад

    I can say I have watched at least 100 videos of Dr Bikman and I learn something new or relate/connect new information to already understood systems. Thanks!

  • @francesmarvin7330
    @francesmarvin7330 4 месяца назад +1

    OMG I didn't want this talk to end. I need chapter 2!!

  • @oibal60
    @oibal60 7 месяцев назад +8

    Thanks for this.

  • @Saintjohn2711
    @Saintjohn2711 7 месяцев назад +8

    This is brilliant!!!

  • @研究-t3q
    @研究-t3q 4 месяца назад

    That’s a wonderful talk with great insights and also I just like his energy in general. Thanks for sharing!

  • @yvonnekiwior9633
    @yvonnekiwior9633 7 месяцев назад +6

    Another excellent lecture from a brilliant man... 🎉

  • @carlodifabio7991
    @carlodifabio7991 5 месяцев назад

    Wow I need to listen this a few more times and take notes. Ben Bikman, that was perhaps the best podcast I’ve listened to on anything metabolic health.

  • @user-gl9iz1bp1r
    @user-gl9iz1bp1r 3 месяца назад

    Awareness buys time, time buys options - until it doesn't. Thank you Prof Bikman for your awareness.

  • @Hee-o1p
    @Hee-o1p 2 дня назад

    One of the best lectures, even on explanatory means, thankyou,🎉🎉🎉

  • @CarnivoreScott
    @CarnivoreScott 7 месяцев назад +8

    Once again you have presented critically important information in a very relatable manner. I will be sharing this video with a few of my T2D friends who make comments about not being able to sleep. I don't believe the information you presented on how insulin, hyperinsulinemia, impacts ones sleep, is very well known! Thank you, Thank You, THANK YOU.

    • @sorrykay3450
      @sorrykay3450 7 месяцев назад +1

      Don't believe?

    • @CarnivoreScott
      @CarnivoreScott 7 месяцев назад +1

      @sorrykay3450 oh my, good catch!!! I do believe, but in my haste I goobered it all up. Again, Thank you!!!

    • @susanitasandia5065
      @susanitasandia5065 7 месяцев назад +1

      You might be able to edit your comment

    • @CarnivoreScott
      @CarnivoreScott 7 месяцев назад

      @@susanitasandia5065 I did.... I trust it makes better sense now.....?

    • @CarnivoreScott
      @CarnivoreScott 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@sorrykay3450 I have made some edits. Thanks for the catch.

  • @scoobtoober2975
    @scoobtoober2975 4 месяца назад +2

    When the horse is already out of the barn, go for each item. Before it's out of the barn. Get that insulin resistance back down. Dr Jamnadas is on this train for sure. He's a surgeon trying to keep patients off his table. Ben you are inspiring and so clear cut. Keep it up.

  • @jobrown8146
    @jobrown8146 7 месяцев назад +4

    Excellent - thank you very much!!!

  • @tonyromero8284
    @tonyromero8284 7 месяцев назад +6

    Awesome lecture thank you 🙏

  • @basiabarbara3365
    @basiabarbara3365 6 дней назад

    Wonderful lecture!😍

  • @thedebbiegordon
    @thedebbiegordon 7 месяцев назад +3

    Very interesting. I really appreciate how simple you made this conversation about metabolic health. I have studied Dr Fuhrmans' books since diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes and wonder about your thoughts on nutritarian diet?

  • @kathynewkirk683
    @kathynewkirk683 6 месяцев назад +1

    I do 18/6 time restrictive eating everyday. I will do a 25 hour fast on my home from vacations and after holidays, just to move all the carbs out of my system. Being keto over 6 years now, I know that I am metabolically flexible.

  • @SilviaMitu-n9v
    @SilviaMitu-n9v 8 дней назад

    Bravoo Ben.... excelent explenation 👏👏👏❤

  • @plumbthumbs9584
    @plumbthumbs9584 7 месяцев назад +3

    Great lecture, thank you!

  • @nafisaaptekar3601
    @nafisaaptekar3601 7 месяцев назад +1

    Great slides great talk thank you

  • @helenl7967
    @helenl7967 7 месяцев назад

    I want everyone to hear this and care.

  • @ninajoy1052
    @ninajoy1052 4 месяца назад

    This is absolutely wonderful! Thank you!!!

  • @robyn3349
    @robyn3349 7 месяцев назад +3

    Thank you!

  • @interestedpart2650
    @interestedpart2650 7 месяцев назад +3

    Excellent

  • @scoobtoober2975
    @scoobtoober2975 4 месяца назад +1

    I recommend checking out dr Bernstein, a t1d 80 something year old. Doing great and still practicing. Went to med school to help others with t1 or t2. One of the first citizens to have a glucose monitor in the late 1940's i think he said. Very cool guy. Get the carbs and trash down.

  • @tammyparsons8583
    @tammyparsons8583 5 месяцев назад

    This was a brilliant lecture! BRAVO!

  • @Sojourner1
    @Sojourner1 3 месяца назад

    Fabulous lecture!

  • @KetoneDean
    @KetoneDean 7 месяцев назад +2

    Absolutely brilliant questions

  • @davidross5121
    @davidross5121 2 месяца назад

    Thanks,🎉 this lecture was easy to follow with great fact based info and has empowered me with practical information to take action that will help me live a healthy and hopefully longer life..

  • @terrirositch7678
    @terrirositch7678 7 месяцев назад +1

    I enjoy ALL of his videos!

  • @jamestaylor3219
    @jamestaylor3219 7 месяцев назад +1

    Very educational, great work!

  • @KetoneDean
    @KetoneDean 7 месяцев назад +2

    Absolutely brilliant

  • @scoobtoober2975
    @scoobtoober2975 4 месяца назад

    A year ago i was dabbling in fasting. One day 24h they were still 0.2 or 0.3 It would take two days for ketones to get to 0.4. Now at 24 hours they can get to 0.6-0.8 Very inspiring to keep the carbs down. Exercise/walk after every meal. Stop eating before bed too. Lots of sun on skin too.

  • @zuleikadobson
    @zuleikadobson 6 месяцев назад

    This is just excellent. Thank you, Dr. Bikman.

  • @dr.hinaaslam4218
    @dr.hinaaslam4218 7 месяцев назад +2

    Kindly guide us on how to check insulin resistance. How much is HoMA IR accurate? What time of sample should be taken for HOMA IR?

    • @anomarnamloh7444
      @anomarnamloh7444 7 месяцев назад +1

      HOMA-ir is calculated from Fasted Insulin & Fasted Glucose

  • @annaatrasfitness
    @annaatrasfitness 7 месяцев назад +1

    Terrific lecture

  • @francelarebelle1138
    @francelarebelle1138 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you to share it on RUclips

  • @M.Sforza
    @M.Sforza 6 месяцев назад +1

    Love this guy!

  • @sarahg1077
    @sarahg1077 6 месяцев назад +1

    In the questions section, Dr. Bikman talked about fasting… he talked about how it works because it reduces insulin. I can’t tell you how many times I see the CICO people says fasting works because it reduces the calories you eat.

  • @fastingfeastingbeasting
    @fastingfeastingbeasting 7 месяцев назад +1

    Excellente' . Thank You Ben

  • @OldCatsLady
    @OldCatsLady 4 месяца назад

    Thank you so much ❤

  • @JamesSmith-bx8xu
    @JamesSmith-bx8xu 7 месяцев назад

    Absolutely brilliant and very informative lecture.... Thank you Dr Bikman.

  • @vince1229
    @vince1229 6 месяцев назад

    What are your views on Berberine? And how do you mix the powder?

  • @greenwealth7781
    @greenwealth7781 6 месяцев назад

    I am interested in your discussion about metabolism ..

  • @ClassicJukeboxBand
    @ClassicJukeboxBand 7 месяцев назад +6

    Explaining metabolism does not tell us why we get sick. It just tells us how we get sick. That' is what science is. Just an explanation of how the body works.
    To understand why something happens, you have to explain the variable that causes disease, which is something we do, not how our body works.

  • @LouellaDesouza
    @LouellaDesouza 7 месяцев назад

    Wow
    Fantastically explained
    Thankyou Dr. Bikman

  • @UrbanSpiritGuide
    @UrbanSpiritGuide 6 месяцев назад

    Phenomenal presentation. Thank you!! 🙏🏼🤗💜

  • @slmay3484
    @slmay3484 6 месяцев назад +3

    😮 I can't believe dr. Bikman was in pensacola and I missed it! Wtheck! Thank you for the video though.

  • @TheKitty1952
    @TheKitty1952 7 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent...Thanks for dispelling many myths about insulin.

  • @patimontana7224
    @patimontana7224 3 месяца назад

    If you have Hashimoto but you are on a carnivore diet and you fasted for 20 hours, would the liver still burn the fats at a higher rate? Or is there a problem when you are both Insulin Resistant and Hashimoto?

  • @ellie698
    @ellie698 6 месяцев назад +2

    42:00
    Don't fear fat 👍🏼

  • @leadimentoobrien1221
    @leadimentoobrien1221 7 месяцев назад +2

    I u have Mediterranean thalassemia. I or u. Annot use A1C. Instead fasting insulin, fasting
    glucose nd fructose. Can u elaborate on that?

  • @ceptember.
    @ceptember. 4 месяца назад

    20:46 this chart is so sad. I had no idea that chronically high insulin means insulin that NEVER comes down :/

  • @fredsmit3481
    @fredsmit3481 7 месяцев назад +1

    Doc, If protein has such little effect on insulin, then why does eating a lot of very lean protein and no carbs get me out of ketosis? If I eat a lot of fat with my protein, then I can get into ketosis. Maybe I'm an unusual case, but protein does have a big measurable effect on my ketosis. By ketosis I mean greater than .5mmol/L of ketones. I have not measured my insulin, but insulin is what takes people out of ketosis.

    • @Georgie-br5wb
      @Georgie-br5wb 5 месяцев назад +1

      Ketones are promoted by fat as well as low insulin so it’s best not to eat lean protein .

  • @susheelkumarjoseph1299
    @susheelkumarjoseph1299 7 месяцев назад

    Dr. Ben is awesome! I love metabolism & the way he simplifies this concept for comman man is amazing 👏

  • @zabeerrashid8148
    @zabeerrashid8148 3 месяца назад

    Silly question if I may. So insulin resistance occurs over many years - how do I start to arrest and then start top reverse this. I am in my 50's, male, Asian heritage with both parents diabetic but I am otherwise healthy, no meds

    • @jolo6539
      @jolo6539 2 месяца назад

      You can start by getting blood tests for metabolic disease ( blood glucose, cholesterol, blood pressure , hbA1c).
      Eat a diet (keto diet) with less carbohydrates (rice, bread, pasta, sugar).
      Then after 6 months test again to see if your health has improved.

    • @jolo6539
      @jolo6539 2 месяца назад

      Your parents are diabetic because they eat too much carbohydrates.
      Get them to eat meat/eggs/ butter and vegetables and their blood glucose will come down. But it is a lifestyle change. You cannot just do this for one week. It's something that they need to do everyday. Eventually they won't need diabetes medication.

  • @FreeCuban00
    @FreeCuban00 7 месяцев назад +1

    A master class

  • @bencyber8595
    @bencyber8595 7 месяцев назад +1

    who is Thomas Seyfried
    ,

    • @IHMC
      @IHMC  6 месяцев назад

      www.bc.edu/bc-web/schools/morrissey/departments/biology/people/faculty-directory/thomas-seyfried.html

  • @CarisaRealtor
    @CarisaRealtor 2 месяца назад

    Just broke my 16 hr fast with 2 eggs, butter, 1 piece of sprouted grain toast, a very small amount of banana and strawberries and 4 oz raw milk... controlled carbs, protein prioritized and lots of healthy animal fats!

  • @vince1229
    @vince1229 6 месяцев назад +1

    There was a 41 year old type 1 diabetic on RUclips. He said after eating steak his blood sugar didn't change until after 4 hours when it went through the roof.

  • @TomSmith-cv8hk
    @TomSmith-cv8hk 7 месяцев назад +3

    If a cell is insulin resistant it would have to then eventually be starved of Glucose, so then what happens ? The cell dies ?
    Insulin goes up because Glucose is up because all the cells were already full of glucose and the host kept on pouring carbs in whilst sitting on the couch. I'm doing it now.

    • @Georgie-br5wb
      @Georgie-br5wb 5 месяцев назад

      My understanding is hence we develop those health conditions he mentioned like
      Dementia
      Type 2 diabetes
      Etc

  • @Pre613
    @Pre613 7 месяцев назад +2

    I’m on the ketogenic diet and fully believe in it based on my results. I’ve tried to convince my children of its benefits but they are resistant to change. My son did raise a valid question. If everyone switched to the keto or carnivore diet could the world support the number of animals needed to feed everyone? I didn’t know the answer. Of course, if you feel animals are a large part of global climate change, as many young people do, they want less animals, not more.

    • @bajone02
      @bajone02 7 месяцев назад +2

      Consider this response to those who think we cannot sustain high keto / meat diets worldwide: God created us and sustains us ultimately. He designed our bodies to heal given the necessary, healthy input. Different planet biomes exist to support that area's population in different ways. Fruits, vegs, nuts, seeds, meats. Mankind has distorted that plan and decided, based largely on profit margins and greed, what we should eat, what lands should be used for growing vs grazing. Many have been Bad Decisions by mankind. Greed has created bad chemicals that are tainting our food and water sources for the sake of more industry, food production and easier harvesting...at the expense of poisoned harvests!! Not good. Our planet can regenerate the healthy foods everyone needs without all the chemicals, fake food products, unhealthy animal husbandry. Everyone, including our governments , needs to look out for the next guy, do their part and examine the sin in their part of distorting our food supply, and quit trying to reduce our world population to fit the goals of the elites. God will let mankind faulter if we do not keep up our end of the bargain only to a point. Then He will do His own Great Reset to teach us who is in charge again just as he Has throughout history. People need to quit just accepting the status quo and stand up for what is right and just for All Mankind! Love one another as God has loved us. Pretty simple. Wake up world!!

  • @annemccarron2281
    @annemccarron2281 7 месяцев назад +4

    Singapore has engaged in so many positive activites over the last 50 years & then they allowed enterprses like McDonalds into their country.

  • @jeannedigennaro6484
    @jeannedigennaro6484 7 месяцев назад

    Yeah Ben Bikman

  • @hutwarum
    @hutwarum 7 месяцев назад +7

    Epic