@@protestthisyouloser1093 Maybe you should work on switching your perspective every now and then if you really can't understand something as simple as that... first example that comes to mind is: "I'm a teenager and can't afford multiple setups but I love riding both street & park what wheels should I buy" Answer: dragons/softsliders Here's another one: "I'm a 30+ years old and heavy skater, my joints kill me after every session" Solution: get dragons/soft sliders Not trying to be rude but seriously dude, if you can't grasp something as simple as that your really need to work on yourself!
@@dmt_91 Can confirm was laughing at some of these posts. You can't do this... you can't do that. OMG some of you guys sound like my Mom back in the day. 😂
45 year old skater here. Changing the spot on the crooks test while the other guy is trying to lern that trick it’s a high level gentleman stuff. Super duper well done mate!
The dragons definitely shine on crust, I feel. They are definitely slow at a smooth park but I love em on crusty asphalt. Def wanna try the spitfire 93s too. Thanks man!
54mm dragons seem to be faster than my 52mm 99a OJ's.. on a smooth park. My old knees appreciate the rebound of the dragons and I've road daily on them for over a year now and they've barely worn. I'm sold on them bro
@@jensenacklese3049 yeah I can tell a definite improvement in knee and ankle pain with the dragons! In our skatepark bowl I definitely feel a bit more drag with the 93 dragons. But I also have the X97 and 99 formulas and they are great and fast. But the 93 dragons are what I skate the most because east coast crusty curbs.
This is what I’m leaning against when it comes to picking one. I changed to 101 duro on my cruiser board and feel blessed. Kinda miss the soft wheels but i don’t want to trade away the slide at all. It seems to me at least that the dragons do exceptionally well on rough surfaces, which is what I need. But the spitfires sound so good!
@@jensenacklese3049 I run the G3s but from your yt channel it looks like you hit parks way more than me so you put a lot more mileage on your wheels and bearings.
@@dadboard Dude! Mad respect for the channel🙏. Mid 30s father here and you have been so inspiring for getting back out there. Anyways keep up the good work my dude!
Hearing you describe the dragon wheels lit up a thought for me. I could not figure out why I don’t like my dragons and I think you nailed it on the head
You should revisit this test in about a week. The Dragons definitely take some time to break in. I've been through 2 sets. Definitely going to try the Spitfires.
@@dadboard I was referring to the Spitfires. Just wondering if they react the same after some hours on them. I didn't like the Dragons until they had some hours on them. Felt very waxy at the beginning. And they're deadly with any moisture on the ground.
@@vorpalblades ahh ok yeah I plan on doing a real review on them once they’ve been ridden for at least 5-6 weeks. I’m really hoping they don’t get all shitty like the dragons after they wear down a bit.
Would have liked to have seen a crusty comparison. Plus, woud love to see the Spitfire 93s vs 97s, which are my current go to for skating rougher stuff.
Prescription wheels for old guys 😆I do love my dragons... here in the UK the terrain (even at the outdoor parks) is tough... but I have wondered if they hold me back a little in other areas. I might set up my back-up board with the spitfires to see 🤔
The dragons I found to be a bit mushier. Haven’t had a chance to try the spitfires yet but am looking forward to trying them. Thanks for this vid and all you’re doing
Great review man, I’ve been on the 97d spitfires for years and I love them because my back doesn’t hurt so much after skating now. Only problem is I can barely nose slide and tail slide with them so they’re holding me back from learning new tricks. Tried the dragons and their awesome on rough ground but I found them too bouncy for me. Like the timing is all different. Keen to try these new 93s though 👍
I’ve been using 52mm Dragons for a few months but today I am going to put some 52mm x-97 on. I’ll be on those for a bit and then I definitely want to try the Spitfire 93s. Thanks for the review - I was procrastinating on switching out my wheels and this gave me the motivation to do it!
I’m on my 3rd set of Dragons, and I love em. I will say, they take about a month of daily skating to start sliding like I want em to. And it’s funny, hard wheels feel slower to me. I set some 85 Dial Tones a few years ago, switched to 92 Clouds because the 85s were too sticky to slide, been on the Powells since they came out. Keen to try the Spitfires, and stoked they’ve finally made a mid duro wheel. But to reiterate, love the Dragons and I feel like the break in period is longer than most people who don’t like them out into them 🤷♂️
I’ve always been a Powell fan rather than Spitfire, and a softer wheel guy too. I think i will try a set of the Spitfires. And a set of the Powells that come in the freestyle shape, if I ever get round to trying a freestyle setup. it was nice seeing you pull off a few more gnarly tricks too in this vid.
I know they are different duro - but the comparison you made is how I felt on dragons VS the nano cubic 97 duro - which I feel is the same formula as bones 97x - Id love to see these spitfire 93a’s compared to the nano cubic / 97x wheels
Yeah that’s a more viable comparison tbh. Dragons seem a bit obsolete these days depending on what you read and who you talk to. I gave my x97’s to a kid at the skatepark a while back so unable to test them but I’m sure someone will in the next couple weeks
@@dadboard I put my dragons on my kids board - he skates about 1.5 miles to school every day- they are perfect for THAT but yeah too slow and too bouncy for regular skate spots I dig the nano cubics lately
I'm an annoying stickler. I want to find a comparison of brand new 93a Spitfires vs the 93a Dragons. I have a new set of Dragon 93a on order. Maybe I should order up a set of the Spitfire's and do a brand new comparison against each other.
Wild. It seems like everybody is doing videos about wheels right now. I'm working on one myself 😜 I don't have the new soft sliders though. Thanks for giving us your thoughts on them.
Can't wait for these in the Radial/Conical Full shape. Idk why companies don't make hard small duro wheels that have 27+ contact patch. Ultimate wheels would be 93a spitfires in 52-60mm sizes but that are 25-35mm contact patch
I love the Dragon wheels. Only other ones I've used that I can compare them too are the Bones x97s. Meh. Dragons COULD be the perfect wheel IF they were...say....95?
I’ve been loving the dragons but it’s only recently that I’ve gotten used to them. I feel like once they were worn out a bit, they started to slide better. Once I’m done with these tho I’m def gonna try some spitfire 93’s
Dragons will feel slow and gummy in a smooth skatepark. The X97 and X99's are the harder versions which are MUCH better for skatepark use. I replaced my F4 99's with X99s. I think the formula gets better in harder duros.
I wonder how these compare to the X97 and X99 wheels for rough asphalt and park. I agree that dragons are a little too soft, especially in a park. I also feel like spitfire and bones kind of give different durometer ratings… spitfire FF 99a feel harder and slower on crust than X99, but in that case, I really prefer X99. And luckily, they still feel good in the park.
I would suggest cleaning the bearings in those Dragon wheels. That may have been the issue when you showed us that they wouldn't spin. I am currently riding the Dragons and like them, but my next set of wheels will be the Spitfire. I want to try those as well. My old bones need soft wheels for street skating.
I skate dragons 54mm and typically dont skate smoth areas anymore , but this weekend i was at a new skatepark and was having a hell of a time getting speed. Now i know why.
Hmm it does seem like spitfires are simply harder than the dragons? That would explain why they were not as fast on the smooth park ground. I had the 99a F4 Tablets which I loved, but they was no way they were 99a lol I did not want to put them down on asphalt. On top of that, there is the 2mm difference on the two sets which can be a surprising amount of difference. I usually ride 54mm, and when I tried my friend's 56mm, it was almost a night and day difference. I was just riding over everything like I was on a bike or something lol
finally got the Reynolds 52mm 93a classic and theres a night and day difference between my 52mm 99a classics when i was riding on blacktop. the only thing that’s weird so far is it sounds like soft rubbery when i go over a crack on like the sidewalk or even in the skatepark. did you notice that at all?
I was not a fan of dragons and switched to x-formula 97a's after a couple weeks. I've been on those for a couple months now. I'm wondering how the Spitfire 93a's compare to those, might just need to grab a set!
In the other video you said the Dragons softened up after skating for a month... So, you are testing old and new. Will be interested to know if the Spitfires do the same thing over time.
Yeah they did but something I’m also remembering is that I rode the dragons in the summer, which I’m thinking will effect softer wheels the way it effects bushings. I’m about a month in on the 93’s and plan on making a breakdown video of my experience with them in a few weeks when it’s safe to say I’ve worn them down enough to have a solid understanding of them
There is a Spitfire F4 97 A wheel already, but it seems based on the same formula as the regular 99 / 101 A wheels. Since they took so long to come out with the 93s, maybe there is a new / different formula being used here.
He is, but he’s encouraged me to be critical and honest in any feedback. Once these 93’s are worn down a couple mm I’ll be giving my final thoughts on their performance, the good and the bad.
@@JT-un7dcI’m still young (25) but i find cupsoles bother me more than Vans skates, mainly cuz cupsoles almost always have a slightly higher heel than toe which puts your foot at a slight angle in the shoe, and that puts more pressure on my knees and hurts them and my back! So vans skates specifically Rowan’s or halfcabs combined with 97a formula 4s is great for me
This wasn’t even the review. Just a head to head comparison in a specific environment. The shitty review will be in about 2 months. Tune in and hate on it for the algorithm 🙏
This are wheels meant for the streets not the skate park!!!
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Exactly what I was saying. I don’t understand why anyone would use these in a park lol
Correct. They are really good on rough surfaces and slide too much on smooth ones
@@protestthisyouloser1093 Maybe you should work on switching your perspective every now and then if you really can't understand something as simple as that... first example that comes to mind is: "I'm a teenager and can't afford multiple setups but I love riding both street & park what wheels should I buy" Answer: dragons/softsliders
Here's another one: "I'm a 30+ years old and heavy skater, my joints kill me after every session" Solution: get dragons/soft sliders
Not trying to be rude but seriously dude, if you can't grasp something as simple as that your really need to work on yourself!
@@dmt_91 Can confirm was laughing at some of these posts. You can't do this... you can't do that. OMG some of you guys sound like my Mom back in the day. 😂
45 year old skater here. Changing the spot on the crooks test while the other guy is trying to lern that trick it’s a high level gentleman stuff. Super duper well done mate!
The dragons definitely shine on crust, I feel. They are definitely slow at a smooth park but I love em on crusty asphalt. Def wanna try the spitfire 93s too. Thanks man!
54mm dragons seem to be faster than my 52mm 99a OJ's.. on a smooth park. My old knees appreciate the rebound of the dragons and I've road daily on them for over a year now and they've barely worn. I'm sold on them bro
@@jensenacklese3049 yeah I can tell a definite improvement in knee and ankle pain with the dragons! In our skatepark bowl I definitely feel a bit more drag with the 93 dragons. But I also have the X97 and 99 formulas and they are great and fast. But the 93 dragons are what I skate the most because east coast crusty curbs.
@@braddayforgot to add.. I run bronson raw bearings, clean them with windex every now and then, they've lasted about the same amount of time
This is what I’m leaning against when it comes to picking one. I changed to 101 duro on my cruiser board and feel blessed. Kinda miss the soft wheels but i don’t want to trade away the slide at all. It seems to me at least that the dragons do exceptionally well on rough surfaces, which is what I need. But the spitfires sound so good!
@@jensenacklese3049 I run the G3s but from your yt channel it looks like you hit parks way more than me so you put a lot more mileage on your wheels and bearings.
93 til' infinity!
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@@dadboard Dude! Mad respect for the channel🙏. Mid 30s father here and you have been so inspiring for getting back out there. Anyways keep up the good work my dude!
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Hearing you describe the dragon wheels lit up a thought for me. I could not figure out why I don’t like my dragons and I think you nailed it on the head
I remember them being pretty awesome for about a week or two but then after they wore in they were like skating on pencil erasers
You should revisit this test in about a week. The Dragons definitely take some time to break in. I've been through 2 sets. Definitely going to try the Spitfires.
As I explained in the video, they were already broken in.
@@dadboard I was referring to the Spitfires. Just wondering if they react the same after some hours on them. I didn't like the Dragons until they had some hours on them. Felt very waxy at the beginning.
And they're deadly with any moisture on the ground.
@@vorpalblades ahh ok yeah I plan on doing a real review on them once they’ve been ridden for at least 5-6 weeks. I’m really hoping they don’t get all shitty like the dragons after they wear down a bit.
Would have liked to have seen a crusty comparison. Plus, woud love to see the Spitfire 93s vs 97s, which are my current go to for skating rougher stuff.
Prescription wheels for old guys 😆I do love my dragons... here in the UK the terrain (even at the outdoor parks) is tough... but I have wondered if they hold me back a little in other areas. I might set up my back-up board with the spitfires to see 🤔
The dragons I found to be a bit mushier. Haven’t had a chance to try the spitfires yet but am looking forward to trying them. Thanks for this vid and all you’re doing
Great review man, I’ve been on the 97d spitfires for years and I love them because my back doesn’t hurt so much after skating now. Only problem is I can barely nose slide and tail slide with them so they’re holding me back from learning new tricks.
Tried the dragons and their awesome on rough ground but I found them too bouncy for me. Like the timing is all different.
Keen to try these new 93s though 👍
Got the classics on hold and will skate the radials soon! Just got bs krook down as well! Thanks for the awesome reviews!
I’ve been using 52mm Dragons for a few months but today I am going to put some 52mm x-97 on. I’ll be on those for a bit and then I definitely want to try the Spitfire 93s.
Thanks for the review - I was procrastinating on switching out my wheels and this gave me the motivation to do it!
It could just be a difference in 54mm vs 52mm
Yes the slowness would be partly down to size for sure
Personally I don’t think that’s the case but I won’t rule it out since I can’t test it.
Dragons are slow. Size diff yea but thats not the main case. Insane urethane but dragons arent fast
@@DandyHippo Yeah in a smooth park they lag for sure. On rough as guts crust they come into their own
Can’t ask for a better day at Mather. Thanks for the comparison for us old guys trying to find the unicorn, a soft wheel that slides.
It’s out there, if you believe 🦄
I’m on my 3rd set of Dragons, and I love em. I will say, they take about a month of daily skating to start sliding like I want em to. And it’s funny, hard wheels feel slower to me.
I set some 85 Dial Tones a few years ago, switched to 92 Clouds because the 85s were too sticky to slide, been on the Powells since they came out.
Keen to try the Spitfires, and stoked they’ve finally made a mid duro wheel.
But to reiterate, love the Dragons and I feel like the break in period is longer than most people who don’t like them out into them 🤷♂️
I’ve always been a Powell fan rather than Spitfire, and a softer wheel guy too. I think i will try a set of the Spitfires. And a set of the Powells that come in the freestyle shape, if I ever get round to trying a freestyle setup.
it was nice seeing you pull off a few more gnarly tricks too in this vid.
I know they are different duro - but the comparison you made is how I felt on dragons VS the nano cubic 97 duro - which I feel is the same formula as bones 97x
- Id love to see these spitfire 93a’s compared to the nano cubic / 97x wheels
Yeah that’s a more viable comparison tbh. Dragons seem a bit obsolete these days depending on what you read and who you talk to. I gave my x97’s to a kid at the skatepark a while back so unable to test them but I’m sure someone will in the next couple weeks
@@dadboard I put my dragons on my kids board - he skates about 1.5 miles to school every day- they are perfect for THAT but yeah too slow and too bouncy for regular skate spots
I dig the nano cubics lately
I'm an annoying stickler. I want to find a comparison of brand new 93a Spitfires vs the 93a Dragons. I have a new set of Dragon 93a on order. Maybe I should order up a set of the Spitfire's and do a brand new comparison against each other.
Much needed review!! Thank you man! Also good move on the crooked grind! I respect that 🤜🏽🤛🏽
Wild. It seems like everybody is doing videos about wheels right now. I'm working on one myself 😜 I don't have the new soft sliders though. Thanks for giving us your thoughts on them.
Bouncing the wheels and losing your train of thought 😂
Have you skated the powell peralta nano cubic wheels?
No, I’m not interested in those.
Not related but... I just got shown an ad on how to get better at Ice Hockey, because Ive been looking at Hockey Skateboards 😆
Can't wait for these in the Radial/Conical Full shape. Idk why companies don't make hard small duro wheels that have 27+ contact patch.
Ultimate wheels would be 93a spitfires in 52-60mm sizes but that are 25-35mm contact patch
Nice! Just need a comparison like this with new wheels/bearings and same size wheels.
That would be ideal but I was working with what I had
@@dadboard still the best review and very interesting. Great skating!
The wheel wars never end! It's like cats and dogs.
I love the Dragon wheels. Only other ones I've used that I can compare them too are the Bones x97s. Meh. Dragons COULD be the perfect wheel IF they were...say....95?
I’ve been loving the dragons but it’s only recently that I’ve gotten used to them. I feel like once they were worn out a bit, they started to slide better. Once I’m done with these tho I’m def gonna try some spitfire 93’s
Dragons will feel slow and gummy in a smooth skatepark. The X97 and X99's are the harder versions which are MUCH better for skatepark use. I replaced my F4 99's with X99s. I think the formula gets better in harder duros.
True, but I find it interesting that the F4 93’s are able to perform at a smooth skatepark with little issue in comparison to dragons. Both being 93a
I've tried the other wheels, but I always end up the happiest with spitfire.. Spitfire Fo Life!!
I wonder how these compare to the X97 and X99 wheels for rough asphalt and park. I agree that dragons are a little too soft, especially in a park. I also feel like spitfire and bones kind of give different durometer ratings… spitfire FF 99a feel harder and slower on crust than X99, but in that case, I really prefer X99. And luckily, they still feel good in the park.
I would suggest cleaning the bearings in those Dragon wheels. That may have been the issue when you showed us that they wouldn't spin. I am currently riding the Dragons and like them, but my next set of wheels will be the Spitfire. I want to try those as well. My old bones need soft wheels for street skating.
They spun fine, man. Those bearings came right out of another set of wheels I had previously ridden with no issues.
I love all your videos! Nothing against Powell Peralta at all, but the dragon Wheels did not power slide anywhere near as I thought they would.
Yeah that was my experience as well. The X97 would have probably been a better comparison
I skate dragons 54mm and typically dont skate smoth areas anymore , but this weekend i was at a new skatepark and was having a hell of a time getting speed. Now i know why.
I had bronsons in and felt the drag, put bones swiss in and didnt notice it after
"i feel like I'm snowboarding" haha 😂
X97 represent !
This is the video we needed!
Hmm it does seem like spitfires are simply harder than the dragons? That would explain why they were not as fast on the smooth park ground. I had the 99a F4 Tablets which I loved, but they was no way they were 99a lol I did not want to put them down on asphalt.
On top of that, there is the 2mm difference on the two sets which can be a surprising amount of difference. I usually ride 54mm, and when I tried my friend's 56mm, it was almost a night and day difference. I was just riding over everything like I was on a bike or something lol
I’ve never been a big fan of bones wheels, and I’ve had a few sets, guess I’m just a spitfire guy
finally got the Reynolds 52mm 93a classic and theres a night and day difference between my 52mm 99a classics when i was riding on blacktop. the only thing that’s weird so far is it sounds like soft rubbery when i go over a crack on like the sidewalk or even in the skatepark. did you notice that at all?
I was not a fan of dragons and switched to x-formula 97a's after a couple weeks. I've been on those for a couple months now. I'm wondering how the Spitfire 93a's compare to those, might just need to grab a set!
these or 97d spits?
I been wanting to see some test both out I need a pair for crap spots I’m spitfire guy normally
Looks cool!
In the other video you said the Dragons softened up after skating for a month... So, you are testing old and new. Will be interested to know if the Spitfires do the same thing over time.
Yeah they did but something I’m also remembering is that I rode the dragons in the summer, which I’m thinking will effect softer wheels the way it effects bushings. I’m about a month in on the 93’s and plan on making a breakdown video of my experience with them in a few weeks when it’s safe to say I’ve worn them down enough to have a solid understanding of them
Good 2 know i just ordered a set today
Anyone remember Nicotine wheels ? I skated them constantly, always went back and forth with them an spitfire classics
You gonna review those Sci Fi Spirfire wheels? Looking to get the 56mm 90a ones for coming back from an injury
I think they’re just standard 99 F4’s with a sci fi logo, no?
@@dadboard I don’t think, they made some clear ones that are 90, so they look like in the middle of a street and cruiser wheel. Orchard has them
I hope they do that soft slider formula in a 97a
There is a Spitfire F4 97 A wheel already, but it seems based on the same formula as the regular 99 / 101 A wheels. Since they took so long to come out with the 93s, maybe there is a new / different formula being used here.
Very cool not to do the trick in front of the Hobie trying to learn props
How are those adidas slips? Big fan of adidas and vans slip on but never tried any others.
They’re great after you replace the insole. Much more comfy than vans imo
My choice is dragons, because in my country only they have green ones
thanks for the methodical testing
It's nothing my Gs Spit Fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The 93 spits are much faster than the dragons. Both great wheels, but the spitfires cruise.
I will stick with prescription Dragons to avoid doing prescription handrails latter on in life
dragons suck at the skatepark, not what they were built for. have you tried the spitfires in some crusty streets?
And Jim T is your friend too
He is, but he’s encouraged me to be critical and honest in any feedback. Once these 93’s are worn down a couple mm I’ll be giving my final thoughts on their performance, the good and the bad.
Idk how you skating slip ons, I’m 31 and decided I can’t skate anymore vulc shoes, too thin, I hurt
you can get used to anything, skating anything with cushion after a month of slip sons feels crazy good too
Aftermarket insoles are a must 👊
Vulcanized hurt my feet. Fp insoles are a must-have for my feet. Wore vans for 30 + years. Finally, to move on.
@@JT-un7dcI’m still young (25) but i find cupsoles bother me more than Vans skates, mainly cuz cupsoles almost always have a slightly higher heel than toe which puts your foot at a slight angle in the shoe, and that puts more pressure on my knees and hurts them and my back! So vans skates specifically Rowan’s or halfcabs combined with 97a formula 4s is great for me
I dont have to even watch this its fasho going to be the spitfires
I have zero issues sliding with my 🐉
I like when they say .. "alot of guys wanted to know" 🤦
yeah why is everybody skating these in a skatepark. those are made for the streets
To see which one performed better outside of their intended environment 🫨
I didn’t like the dragon at all
You will when you get older. That’s if you don’t quit.
@@75YBA How old do you have to be? 51 and I still don't like them.
@@75YBA well I’ve been skating sense 1994 and I’m now 43 and I don’t think I will. Almost 30 years in and I’m going to skate till I can’t anymore.
OJ PLAIN JANES ARE THE BEST WHEELS
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This is such a shitty review 😂
This wasn’t even the review. Just a head to head comparison in a specific environment. The shitty review will be in about 2 months. Tune in and hate on it for the algorithm 🙏
Get it big dad.. shoutout wallis pailes and moshy
What about OJ'S double douro on a Krooked deck, please??