Grap Luva - 7 Minutes of Sound - SP1200 Beats @redefrecords

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  • Опубликовано: 19 окт 2010
  • www.redefinitionrecords.com/
    Grap Luva (of INI / Pete Rock & CL Smooth fame) visits Damu's studio, talks about the making of Pete Rock's "Half Man, Half Amazing" ft Method Man while playing some beats on the SP1200.
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  • @GrapLuvaMr7
    @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +988

    I see that cats are talking about Pete's "influence"....It better be there!! PETE TAUGHT ME HOW TO USE THE SP1200! We are REAL BROTHERS! Same Mother and Father so OF COURSE the "influence" and "similar sound" is there! I don't make beats anymore so there a quite a few cats that are better than me...but it's all good because I am a fan first! As long as dope music is being made...I am good with it! Peace to everyone who commented on here...good and bad. Peace!

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +38

      Grap Luva AND I still have my ear!! Ha!

    • @clhay1
      @clhay1 9 лет назад +22

      The "tree" produced great fruits!!!

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +16

      Simply Poetic Exactly!

    • @jbryan3792
      @jbryan3792 9 лет назад +37

      Grap ,
      You are the most humble, chill man in hip hop.
      Love everything you doin.

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +8

      Thank you and RASPECT to you also! I apprecilove your support!!

  • @GrapLuvaMr7
    @GrapLuvaMr7 13 лет назад +126

    I just wanna say THANK YOU FOR ALL THE POSITIVE COMMENTS!!!! I REALLY appreciate that shit!! Word, it really helps with the motivation!! By the way, I used the SP1200 ONLY to make ALL my music!!! I do not know how to use anything else!! ONE!!

    • @ProduccionesUturunco
      @ProduccionesUturunco 3 года назад +1

      Greetings from Argentina!!!

    • @kaizen9231
      @kaizen9231 2 года назад

      @@ProduccionesUturunco yooo´!!! otro boom bap head del polo sur! saludos

    • @kaizen9231
      @kaizen9231 2 года назад

      mad props, greetings from Argentina too!!

    • @localfanatics3988
      @localfanatics3988 2 года назад

      Greetings from Africa, Tanzania.
      Much love to u brother

    • @OriginalAse
      @OriginalAse Год назад

      Please brother you and rob -o gotta make some happen 👍✌️

  • @ProjectMelaninRecordings
    @ProjectMelaninRecordings 4 года назад +70

    Who here in 2020...??? Peace and love

  • @marcusdy1974
    @marcusdy1974 8 лет назад +104

    Real Hip Hop is a Beautiful Thing

    • @totc6196
      @totc6196 4 года назад +6

      Word up no snitches and real ones

  • @reedrusselljr1651
    @reedrusselljr1651 9 лет назад +144

    Grap, you SHOULD keep making beats bro!!! We true Hip Hop heads NEED to hear it!!! Bro, I'm 49 and STILL be in the lab cookin…You have no idea how many times I have watched this video bro! You and Damu keeps it 100 for real!!!! Dust that joint off yo'….

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +52

      That's what's up!! These comments are inspiring...I am thinking about it...word up!

    • @DeepSociety
      @DeepSociety 8 лет назад +3

      +Reed Russell Jr respect to you Russel. Keep it up!

    • @reedrusselljr1651
      @reedrusselljr1651 7 лет назад

      Are you up for doing any collaborations brother? If so, what's the charge? I'd love to have some of your production on an album I'm working on.

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 7 лет назад +2

      We can rap. I would rather talk business in a more private setting though. Peace!

    • @reedereed
      @reedereed 7 лет назад

      Grap Luva
      Bet. reedius@me.com. Hit me up and we can get it started!

  • @XRAYZAKKONTATIK
    @XRAYZAKKONTATIK 10 лет назад +37

    This first beat has been stuck in my head all day.

  • @GrapLuvaMr7
    @GrapLuvaMr7 13 лет назад +58

    All those instruments behind me are used by Damu!! I think I wanna do a part 3.....What y'all think??

    • @nuttkase
      @nuttkase 2 года назад +6

      Do it, Grap 🤗

    • @SakkeOne
      @SakkeOne Год назад +2

      you know its been a while, but its never too late for a part 3!

    • @Btone33
      @Btone33 Год назад

      Fa sho

  • @sanceations
    @sanceations 10 лет назад +22

    Pete Rock always showed Grap love on his LP's.

  • @artuurs1
    @artuurs1 8 лет назад +33

    Man that 2nd beat... it`s painting pictures for me!
    When that saxophone screams I see sunrise over the roofs and when the echo fades sounds back I see birds flyin high!!

  • @steffe689
    @steffe689 10 лет назад +48

    3:00 Imagine Guru spitting on that

    • @pej789
      @pej789 4 года назад +2

      steffe689 preem scratching “Dirty Rotten Scoundrels” lol

    • @kc_oner
      @kc_oner 4 года назад

      steffe689 The closest we can get to that is Nolan The Ninja!

  • @secretboss18
    @secretboss18 8 лет назад +44

    +Grap Luva we really need that instrumental that started 0:36. I never heard anything that jazzy but funky at the same time!!!! Keep up the great work!

    • @reallivingtv1662
      @reallivingtv1662 2 года назад

      This was the most liked comment when i made one like it 10 years ago. Grap, drop it already! haha

    • @Tainoblazed
      @Tainoblazed 2 года назад

      @@reallivingtv1662 word ima need this beat too.

  • @thegroove2000
    @thegroove2000 10 лет назад +24

    2.31 that beat when it drops gives me goosebumps. I think I just broke my vertebrae.

  • @MAARTN
    @MAARTN 13 лет назад +13

    I hope he puts all these instrumentals on an album, I deff would buy it !

    • @jstreetshepherd
      @jstreetshepherd Год назад +1

      Yoo maartn i find so many comments from you under classic hiphop videos 😂✌️ peace

    • @MAARTN
      @MAARTN Год назад +1

      @@jstreetshepherd Haha yeah, I got so many inspiration from videos like this one. Big fan of this and Damu's stuff!

    • @jstreetshepherd
      @jstreetshepherd Год назад

      @@MAARTN Same here brother. Always like to watch some good stuff for inspiration

  • @philtyrich1
    @philtyrich1 9 лет назад +181

    Bro Grap you need to dust off the 1200 and give us one more project fam .

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +78

      Instrumental album coming to Bandcamp real soon!!

    • @philtyrich1
      @philtyrich1 9 лет назад +5

      Nuff Respect for the reply fam definitely waiting on your new joint to drop wanted to know if you using the 1200 for the new joint . You made me step up my production game on the 1200 after peepin the 7mins vids .

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +15

      philtyrich1 The SP 1200 is the only drum machine that I have so that's all I use. I haven't learned the MPC yet. Nuff Raspect for the support and appreciation of my work!

    • @philtyrich1
      @philtyrich1 9 лет назад +5

      The 1200 is the only joint I got to. K-Kut put me on to back in the day and I never switched over to the mp. Keep doing your thing and thanks for Reppin us West Indian's .

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +4

      Yes Iya!! Bless up!!

  • @ozzie_cs
    @ozzie_cs Месяц назад +1

    All those beats are dope as hell. Especially that first one, I can't get enough of it! Salute @GrapLuvaMr7 the younger soul brother!

  • @djsonny1
    @djsonny1 8 лет назад +31

    Iv been replying that wee clip of the second beat for 5 years . would be amazing to hear it as a instrumental one day

  • @artuurs1
    @artuurs1 8 лет назад +23

    that second beat is straight fire !!!

  • @MrAmericanMe
    @MrAmericanMe 4 года назад +56

    It’s funny because this is what the kids nowadays call “lo-fi hip hop” . Much love to the originators! INI

    • @fatbastardbeats
      @fatbastardbeats 3 года назад +27

      nah it isnt. the lofi hip hop genre disrespects the real dope shit like this. half the music in the lofi genre isnt even lofi it just has a rhodes in it LMAO

    • @drumatic
      @drumatic 3 года назад +11

      @@fatbastardbeats hahahah yo they just loop drone rhodes chords and toss an off beat kick snare pattern... no resepct for choppin up 2.5 seconds of samples. Drums bang in the SP’

    • @drumatic
      @drumatic 3 года назад +1

      @3:05 is like the Grap Luva Militia Remix 🔥🔥

    • @drifter402
      @drifter402 3 года назад +2

      Nah it's a different scene or whatever

    • @villiamspencer1554
      @villiamspencer1554 3 года назад +1

      @@fatbastardbeats true Dat

  • @GrapLuvaMr7
    @GrapLuvaMr7 13 лет назад +8

    Insrumental album coming soon! 7 inch maxi single coming even SOONER....Big up REDEF RECORDS! I just saw the statisics and I want to say THANK YOU FOR THE LUV!!

    • @stylpol4rny
      @stylpol4rny 10 месяцев назад

      What is the 1st beat? I need this🤍❤️🌧️ Where can I find it

  • @DJGleam
    @DJGleam 8 месяцев назад +3

    The legend. I've watched this many times over the years.

  • @DieselTron1
    @DieselTron1 9 лет назад +14

    this dude is 1 of my favorites

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +14

      I am appreciative of your positive words Good looking out!!

  • @wusyndicated
    @wusyndicated 3 года назад +4

    Still here! For over ten years I’ve periodically come back to these 2 7 minutes of beat sessions! This is when redef could literally do no wrong and I’m never disappointed when I hear this!

  • @iTzDeFuzed
    @iTzDeFuzed 2 года назад +2

    that first beat is the essence of hiphop.

  • @Waniakchicago
    @Waniakchicago 8 лет назад +20

    Release that second beat! God damn...

  • @waveyryanlee
    @waveyryanlee 3 года назад +4

    I like how laid back Grap is when the beat at 1:35 is playing, one of the dopest instrumentals I’ve heard in a while

  • @cwpalacios1
    @cwpalacios1 8 лет назад +6

    Who the hell would give this a thumbs down? Love this video.

  • @sameemas1723
    @sameemas1723 Год назад +3

    This cat is a legend . He is most definitely up there with the best . Can't have a best producer conversation without mentioning this cat

  • @sunloveone
    @sunloveone 4 года назад

    So good, so golden... thanks for sharing all this!

  • @LoxBeats
    @LoxBeats 9 лет назад +5

    I remember watching this back in 2010 when i started making my first beats. Time flies. it's been 5 years since it's been a day already. Thanks for the influence Grap.

  • @francescovalenti2381
    @francescovalenti2381 9 лет назад +4

    This was one of the first beatmaking related video I ever came across, and one of the few I keep coming back at. Mesmerizing sound... I'm looking forward to hearing another ill project of yours. Much love from Italy!

  • @Sinosure
    @Sinosure 6 лет назад +2

    Seven years ago on this date!! Dope as ever like it just came out!!

  • @sergepenta5137
    @sergepenta5137 3 года назад +2

    Old shit always good shit.... 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @SynthMagic
    @SynthMagic 8 лет назад +3

    Brilliant sounds and beats.

  • @LoopFerrigno
    @LoopFerrigno 9 лет назад +3

    I would live to see a @GrapLuva comeback! He's one of my all time favs since the mid-90's. much luv and respect 👍

  • @titag6111
    @titag6111 3 года назад

    You are awesome forreal please continue to bring more music.. much needed

  • @Godofhel1
    @Godofhel1 11 лет назад +1

    All the beats here are amazing and very unique. Love this!

  • @TapeWormOfficial
    @TapeWormOfficial 2 года назад +4

    STILL 🔥🤦🏾‍♂️▶️💾💣💥

  • @RevolutionFromBelow
    @RevolutionFromBelow 10 лет назад +6

    "I try to do Hip Hop, you know... I try. It is what it is." :D
    There is nobody that can do beats the way Grap does them. He's in a league with Pete, Frankiano, Buck and all them legends. Such a valuable musician. I salute.

    • @acebutter9241
      @acebutter9241 2 года назад

      Is that the cover of Lewis Parker you got up there? Nice man,classic Uk hiphop album. He should be thrown in the lists of greats too.Peace.

  • @Nigmatics
    @Nigmatics 11 лет назад

    you don't know how many times i've watched this video for inspiration. Peace to Grap and Damu. Thank you.

  • @ssaleem92
    @ssaleem92 11 лет назад

    I still watch this. NEVER gets old

  • @OnTheDownLowODL
    @OnTheDownLowODL 10 лет назад +16

    Man, the beat at 0:36 is mad amazing! I have so much love for all these cool guys man, grap, damu, pete, everybody. One of my dreams is to meet all of these wonderful beings. I'm sure I will someday, and when I do, I think I'll probably cry haha. PEACE AND LOVE to Mr. Greg and to all you radiant, fantastic knuckleheads out there sharing love for hiphop and life. PAZ.

    • @myriadplanes
      @myriadplanes 2 года назад +1

      Peace man

    • @OnTheDownLowODL
      @OnTheDownLowODL 2 года назад +2

      @@myriadplanes Peace, peace, my brother. Forgot I made this comment many years ago lol still feel the same way haha. Good looking out Mr. Watts.

    • @solgryn4591
      @solgryn4591 2 года назад +1

      Yeah I want that joint uploaded on RUclips fr. Shit was mad dope lol

  • @mannystylz7954
    @mannystylz7954 Год назад +3

    Still legendary in 2022💯%🔥

  • @diegodbd
    @diegodbd 13 лет назад

    classic sound! I love it!

  • @MusicAddict001
    @MusicAddict001 13 лет назад +1

    1st beat is madd dope... makes me hit the play button again and again!!

  • @MakkerCracker
    @MakkerCracker 9 лет назад +8

    Would love to have a recording of the first beat you play in this. SO GOOD.

  • @BooMBAPManiaK
    @BooMBAPManiaK 12 лет назад +4

    This is why I love hip hop...

  • @crybo
    @crybo 13 лет назад

    This stuff is amazing, you need to release this. I and many others out there need this in our lives. Love it.

  • @FishMentalist
    @FishMentalist 11 лет назад

    Man, I love all your beats!

  • @Cjga1114
    @Cjga1114 9 лет назад +3

    Grap you're dope brother me and my brother share a many my man ! As my old man would say , salute!!

  • @ChrisTopher09
    @ChrisTopher09 8 лет назад +7

    YOOOO he needs to put out more instrumental tapes!

  • @mmmyeah7
    @mmmyeah7 12 лет назад

    quality vid,love the tune beats & rhymes with grap luva

  • @mikegraham92
    @mikegraham92 3 года назад +1

    Been coming back to this video the past 8 years. Always draw inspiration from it

  • @tonysilva4988
    @tonysilva4988 10 лет назад +7

    The EMU SP-1200 is the only thing I have ever loved, that is not my family! One day I will reunite with her.

  • @szkiero
    @szkiero 9 лет назад +14

    i needa this first beat

    • @DJPlayRight
      @DJPlayRight 9 лет назад

      Bump. Been trynna find this beat also

  • @samson10000
    @samson10000 13 лет назад

    Dope..Dope..Dope..no more words to express how i feel..real Hip Hop

  • @EcuChris
    @EcuChris 13 лет назад

    Grap!!! Man, this ish is bananas!!! Thanks for doing what you do. Can't wait for an Instrumental LP.

  • @middknight5202
    @middknight5202 2 года назад +4

    I wonder if he picked it back up! Truly gifted producer!!

  • @Ed-hs8td
    @Ed-hs8td 8 лет назад +19

    Some of these beats are on his new album "Sounds of Mount Vernon"
    Really dope u guys should check it out

    • @lex.cordis
      @lex.cordis 7 лет назад +1

      Yep. Solid release.

    • @Battlemeifyoucan
      @Battlemeifyoucan 7 лет назад

      just checked , dope shit! but I was really hopeing that I could find there that beat from 2;15 do you know maybe where I can find that one ? man been looking for it since that video came out :D

    • @Ed-hs8td
      @Ed-hs8td 7 лет назад

      I'm assuming some of the beats (such as the one you mentioned) are still unreleased.

  • @djhaiezone
    @djhaiezone 13 лет назад

    dope beats!!! gotta luv that SP1200 CLASSIC sound!!

  • @zingatherpith
    @zingatherpith 9 лет назад +1

    Peace Grap Luva! I love your beats. Don't stop that energy from flowing.

  • @georgethethird6008
    @georgethethird6008 9 лет назад +6

    Grap Luva is such a genious

  • @pabloamoon
    @pabloamoon 9 лет назад +28

    1:02 I thought he was rappin

  • @tochiRTA
    @tochiRTA 6 лет назад +2

    That "Half Man Half Amazin" song is so beautiful

  • @UZZY234
    @UZZY234 4 года назад +1

    Gives me chills every time I watch this..

  • @dupevision7937
    @dupevision7937 9 лет назад +4

    Grap & Damu need to bring out a collab album.

  • @ApeeceovshytNaymedSpaz
    @ApeeceovshytNaymedSpaz 10 лет назад +4

    I wish i had that basement

  • @GHATS
    @GHATS 6 лет назад

    saw this as a junior in 2011 , this is still one of my favorite videos . thank you

  • @m9hifidelitytv
    @m9hifidelitytv 13 лет назад

    powerful documentary..your definitely one of codes to the dna strand of hip hip.. pete will always above the rest in my eyes..but its also great to see and hear the musical bond between brothers..story bout your pops was deep too, may the most high rest his soul..i rep INI for life

  • @camiloescobar5553
    @camiloescobar5553 7 лет назад +7

    i need this 1st sample!!

  • @aaronbae6553
    @aaronbae6553 9 лет назад +3

    That first beat is on point. I love sp drums

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +2

      That's one of my faves!! I LOVE SP drums too!

    • @GrapLuvaMr7
      @GrapLuvaMr7 9 лет назад +4

      Thanks!

    • @mrkristfallen
      @mrkristfallen 6 лет назад

      yo grap,where I can find this beat.Merci

  • @DWSdesign
    @DWSdesign 11 лет назад

    Awesome! love it!

  • @andrewkibor9581
    @andrewkibor9581 2 года назад +1

    Wowww!!! I can live off those beats. Really dope.

  • @baccpackpee
    @baccpackpee 7 лет назад +8

    some of these beats are on his new album.

  • @diggin0000
    @diggin0000 5 лет назад +11

    0:36 song name?

  • @Mrhiphop4life1
    @Mrhiphop4life1 13 лет назад

    still watching this man i cant get enough

  • @BREADBAUX
    @BREADBAUX 4 года назад +1

    crazy im just now seeing this .... too dope

  • @mariusmegas777
    @mariusmegas777 3 года назад +3

    3:30 is dope

  • @emmajean2386
    @emmajean2386 10 лет назад +3

    I cannot get that first beat out of my head, can someone please please send/post a link to it? is it even released? :'(
    its soooo amazing. omg.

  • @Krazythedj
    @Krazythedj Год назад +1

    Fantastic - Salute

  • @datbumo
    @datbumo 8 лет назад +1

    Sounds so good.

  • @ReneFranco86
    @ReneFranco86 9 лет назад +6

    00:37 this shit is unreal...

  • @RossNCVince
    @RossNCVince 8 лет назад +28

    The first beat is pure genius.. Has it ever been used? I've been searching for a long time...

    • @jakubwolski2506
      @jakubwolski2506 7 лет назад +8

      Yea man, im with you.. Im looking for years !

    • @jakubwolski2506
      @jakubwolski2506 7 лет назад +1

      Thanks man a lot ! Is it somewhere just beat?

    • @denisbetke1271
      @denisbetke1271 7 лет назад +2

      MrRyokawasaki its not the beat from this Video

    • @BayAreaGraff1
      @BayAreaGraff1 7 лет назад +3

      Anybody found this beat yet? Or do you guys have a download of that Infinite - Doxa Track? Can't find it anywhere online.

    • @tizosh7
      @tizosh7 7 лет назад

      That is a banger

  • @BlackKanoli
    @BlackKanoli 4 года назад

    Love every beat. Hip Hop for life!!

  • @simonberestlarvor6059
    @simonberestlarvor6059 5 лет назад

    @grapluva very inspiring videos . I got an sp and every time i feel lake of inspiration i just keep on watching these and it keep up push me

  • @jazziz09
    @jazziz09 9 лет назад +5

    Anybody can name the tracking from 0:40 to 1:02 when he starts speaking ??? TY in advance

  • @lostperfectionchef
    @lostperfectionchef 10 лет назад +5

    The one on 2:29 needs a release!

  • @joemack2109
    @joemack2109 11 лет назад

    pete rock and him beats galore

  • @kingsteelo629
    @kingsteelo629 8 лет назад +1

    Dopeeee yo, beautiful machine.

  • @ScottESippin
    @ScottESippin 8 лет назад +4

    Man, this is that fire. I'm 28 and love that boom bap feel of hip hop. The newer music is trash. I be tryna get this feel in FL studio but it don't feel the same. Any tips? I stay rocking out to that INI center of attention album. The game need you back bro!!

    • @bendervelosoc.r.f8456
      @bendervelosoc.r.f8456 8 лет назад

      yeahh

    • @theeoriginal.2308
      @theeoriginal.2308 8 лет назад +2

      +Darion Loving Take Old BreakBeats, Chop Them Up In Slicex & Throw Some Reverb In It. That's How I Get My Drums To Sound Very Boom Bap... But, There's Something About The SP1200/MPC That Gets You In The Zone, I Don't Quite Know What It Is Since I Don't Own One. I Turn 26 In August, And I Love The Late 80's/90's/Early 2000's Era Of Hip-Hop. Good Luck With Your Beats Dawg, Peace!

    • @ScottESippin
      @ScottESippin 8 лет назад

      +TheeOriginal. Appreciate it bro. I actually had to cop the Renaissance. Had to get some hardware. Learning the ins and outs of it now.

    • @theeoriginal.2308
      @theeoriginal.2308 8 лет назад +1

      +Darion Loving Good Luck Brother & Have Fun With Your Music, Peace!

  • @kroekman6
    @kroekman6 8 лет назад +6

    that second beat 00:36 knocked it out of the park. was it ever released?

    • @djsonny1
      @djsonny1 8 лет назад +1

      I know man how good

  • @Pirrelli8
    @Pirrelli8 12 лет назад

    I love it,

  • @HipHopGoldMine
    @HipHopGoldMine 9 лет назад

    got a lot of joy out of watching this...dope shit!

  • @ghastt9032
    @ghastt9032 7 лет назад +8

    0:36

  • @REZIVORsince93
    @REZIVORsince93 8 лет назад +3

    Man....This is making me miss my SP1200. I really enjoy my MPC's and other equipment. But, had sold my E-MU at a time where they were going for like $350-$399. Then shortly after they shot up crazy in price. I will get one again one day!

    • @DeepSociety
      @DeepSociety 7 лет назад

      For around 400?? When was that? :-)

    • @REZIVORsince93
      @REZIVORsince93 7 лет назад

      +Deep Society early 2000's...'04 if I remember right.

    • @DeepSociety
      @DeepSociety 7 лет назад

      Damn they go for around 4000 now :-) Will you buy one?

  • @ManuBeats
    @ManuBeats 13 лет назад

    Damnnnnn these beats are gold

  • @spetsnaz5
    @spetsnaz5 12 лет назад

    Holy shit. Some of the best beats I've ever heard.

  • @TheAris621
    @TheAris621 7 лет назад +5

    I would pay 1 mil just to know where he sampled all his drums from.

    • @ALLxLOVExPROD
      @ALLxLOVExPROD 6 лет назад +2

      TheAris621 probably some of them come from the paul nice drum library records

    • @sumoslap1973
      @sumoslap1973 3 года назад

      Heavily heavily edited kick chops is what makes it pop. Bad kick bad song

  • @DeeDeeKhan
    @DeeDeeKhan 10 лет назад +5

    1:34 unreleased ?

    • @DeeDeeKhan
      @DeeDeeKhan 8 лет назад +2

      +DeeDeeKhan Grap Luva - Bonafied feat. Count Bass D

  • @ccemeterybluntss
    @ccemeterybluntss 11 месяцев назад

    This is beyond beautiful man

  • @hamzamaseko4892
    @hamzamaseko4892 9 лет назад

    Timeless!! Young soul brother grap luva