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From your play and explains, to the methodic teacher/student style informational vids, to the satire and sarcasm humour you incorporate into your vids. This channel is absolute gold. Thanks Saulo for this content!
lol you are fast! I imagine this is a joke, but for the other people reading - don't get discouraged if one or two exploits didn't work. It's not supposed to work always! Keep paying attention and adjusting whenever you can
Being more focused on timing tells since this video came out and I think this could be an absolute game changer! The 4 bet bluff vs long tanking 3bet it's absolutely massive. Can't wait for the full course to come out to study this theme in deep even in postflop play . Thanks Saulo, a huge hug from Italy
@@Donkle365 how does the eventuality you mentioned effect the opinion that the channel itself is underrated? If solvers haven't killed the game yet, I highly doubt Saulo will achieve this feat single-handedly, lol
Hey Saulo, I was reading your RIO Journal that you started and your last post 5 years ago you said that you do not enjoy poker , but you do it as a job and you wish you could do something else more productive. My question to you is, why are you still doing poker 5 years later ? Here is your quote "That's a very good question. I don't really regret anything I did in the past because all the decisions I made were what brought me here and you can learn and grow a lot even (I should actually say 'specially') from the bad ones. So no, I don't regret becoming a professional poker player. However, yes, I wouldn't advise anyone to take this path. Being a poker pro is insanely hard, not only to become one but to stay one lol Also the downsides of it are really significant. Yes money is good, yes you can work from your own home, yes you don't have a boss and yes you enjoy a degree of freedom in general that you wouldn't be able to in a regular career choice. But all those things are not making me a happier person than I was when I was at a 9-5 job 2.5 years ago. Also, for me personally, the decision of becoming a poker pro was very fast and at the time I didn't see poker for what it really is. So today I'm already thinking about when I will be able to abandon the poker career, because I think I could be doing more useful things with my life. But thats a personal search for purpose and meaning that is different for everyone. For now poker pays my bills (which are not few) and I'm grateful for it, so as long as it is my profession I will do my best at it every single day."
Timing tells against weak opponents are a real thing post flop, i also aways take a while to call when im trying to get bluffed, and call very fast when i dont want to get bluffed, from my experience this also works well.
Charlie Carrel talks a lot about the postflop timing tell: Snap call = medium showdown value where after getting a snap call on flop or turn he will bomb the next street assuming they always have some medium pair that folds. What are your thoughts on this tell?
A timing tell doesn't mean much online either. You'll just get confused if you try to use it systematically. Of course, there are exceptions, so it's still worth looking at the overall picture. Simply put, timing alone doesn't contain enough information.
@@a.c.6937 For sure there's no tell that is 100% it's very player dependent. I have a player that everytime he bluffs he bets slow and when strong he bets quick. A different player could do the total opposite.
Over the past few days I’ve been noticing people exploitively using timing tells in my games and this video confirms it. Great video man very informative
Another way to use it exploitatively for extraction is "hollywooding". Ie, if you got a strong hand, you want to tank for a bit before making your 3bet or river jam. Likewise, I use timing to gauge if my river bluffs/value bets are any good. If im getting snap called, then its bad either way (cause with value betting, you could be extractinf more, unless the opp tanks for a bit) These are really good, im going to incorporate it more into my game
Yess, it will be released within the next few months! Check out community tab posts, I asked today which course people would like to see released sooner
Great content! I play regular tables and not Zoom, so I'm not sure how this translates, though I'm definitely going to start being much more aware of the time opponents take to make decisions. Personally though I only play 4 tables at a time and have always typically tried to take about the same time to make decisions, as to be balanced with my timing. Oddly enough I never thought of exploiting my opponents with time in this way, but I myself was at least aware that I didn't want to act quickly with good hands and slowly with marginal ones. Curious to try this out and also to hear more when your course comes out.
My experience is that in regular tables you have to adjust the thresholds to account for the fact that the game is slower. So while a 10 second 3bet would mean a lot in a zoom game, perhaps it doesn't mean as much in a regular table and I need to up that threshold to something like 15s. Gotta do some experimentation and pay a lot of attention until you have a good grasp on the thresholds that are optimal
id love a video on postflop timing tells. I imagine it’s much more complicated. I feel like it’s easy to both associate it very long and very short action with strength or weakness (either thinking long because they have a strong hand and are thinking through the best course of action to extract value or bc they have a weak hand and maybe dont want to call or are considering bluffing and on the other hand short timing is a classic bluff tell since youd want to think if u have a strong hand but some people are dumb and just play face up while others may be trying to utilize a reverse tell. like trying to look like some shitty donk shove on the turn to get called down light by bad players who don’t want to get bullied. that might not be a thing on most sites/stakes but it definitely is on 5nl & 10nl on ignition)
I wouldnt. I figured out alot of stuff on my own from playing and looking for patterns. Then guys with youtube channels come and give away hard earned secrets to the masses just so they can promote themselves. Just figure it out for yourself man then you will have an edge on the field. If the secret gets out you wont have the edge for long. Just figure stuff out on your own. Dont beg a guy to release all of his secrets to the masses.
Or pay him for private coaching for 1hr and ask him to give you all his timing tell knowledge. I dont know why youd want him to make more videos about it.
I always thought those were straight up poker bots doing that. I looked them up a few times and they seemed to always have TPGK or two pair and not the straight or flush.
Also, Saulo, what is your opinion on so much free poker training on the internet? Obviously, people will get better and better at poker, but there will be people that just won't put the time in to improve, correct? Sometimes I get scared that the games will dry up because of all the free amazing learning opportunities online, but then I remember; most people don't want the grind. What do you think about that?
Bro easy example. There is also plenty of workout advice online and evrtyone can do it. And how many people are really fit?? Its same. Small percentage gets much better, average get little bit better and majority will suck
@@phrog6073 That's what I heard 10 years ago. Truth is that most of the people are lazy to study, but still want to play. Poker will never dry up, people don't change.
Great video Saulo!! One thing i was thinking about. If your software can do this great job and deep analisys is not worth it to add a future in wich the software can read hands so you can export hand historys out of the tables and take a look at the data for millions of hands? For sure it´s very easy for you taking in consideration your capacities as programer
lovely mate. in 12:43 you mention 20evbb/100 in 40k hands is extremely unlikely unless your winrate is super high I ran 100k hands at 17bb/100 (500nl) at bodog. it dropped to 6.5 in the next 25k hands back then I showed nick how variance is absolutely higher than poker dope would show. both for cash and tournaments. he implemented this in his teachings afterwards; we agreed.
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I cliked the link and the e-mail form is not working when I'm accessing site from Russia, I have to switch to VPN. Why did you block access to Russian users?
Love the content bro keep up the great work I'm a MTT up n comer online , I kno your primarily cash game but I still find this extremely valuable appreciation
Great stuff man, thanks for sharing. I like very much the way you do work, very effective. Im a mtt player and i've always believe in timing tells, which are pretty simillar to what you just showed for most spots. Its all about obviousness and comfortableness over human behavior. Wide/close bluff combos take a while to raise, obvious and value combos go easy faster. The higher the pressure the most evident these timing tells gets imo.
@@saulocostapoker I think the logic is that when you have a lot of stuff going on on other tables it will sometimes take you much longer to engage in actions which while single tabling would take you
Hi Saulo, great video. Thank you for that. I have two questions. 1) In the beginning of the video you said that you had feeling like you were cheated or exploited on ignition. However why do you think you were getting exploited? I understand your winrate increased because you started using timing tells. You started exploiting more population. However you have not explained why were you getting exploited? 2) Do you use some program, that can measure how long somebody took to take action?
Hey Saulo, Thinking about how important is the range composition on flops and turns of villain bets and raises (even more than frequency I would guess) Is there a way to have GTO proportion of bluff/value ratio to compare to H2N numbers on the Flop and Turn nodes? Is there any heuristic besides the 70/30 flop and 50/50 turn? I think these don't work for many spots. Or maybe some way to get the specifics spots approximate numbers? If so, which hands categories would be a bluff? Draws, even 3rd pair if is an overbet sizing? Thanks for the content
I thought you were hyping up to mental game in the first minute. This was a nice surprise. Going to impliment this to some degree right away. I grind $50-100 tourneys I would imagine its still applicable especially against fish
One question: I am a software engineer myself which player poker part time as well in university (quite sucessfully). How comes you stuck with poker? IT is high income as well, minus the stress and variance of poker
It’s basically a universal trend among top players that they were absolutely obsessed with the game for at least the beginning of their careers. Anyone who doesn’t love poker shouldn’t try to pursue it as a career. It would be a miserable life if you don’t love it.
Almost no one is paying attention to it, so you wouldn't have much return. That being said, its a freeroll right. If at least someone takes the bait, it should be a profitable strategy.
He is a great poker coach but it looks like maybe not the best programmer. Looked like a small bug. Also the labels all over the place kind of poorly designed. But I don't think he cared how it looked just that it got him the data lol.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, so when we have a strong hand do we want to act fast with our decisions because that induces more 3b and less F3b? And then when we're opening and 3betting with mid range hands we want to take our time to increase the liklihood of the folds?
I think you misinterpreted something. The video is about the timings of your opponents and what they mean, not how to manipulate your own timings. I don't think there is much benefit to manipulating your own timings as no one is paying attention and adjusting to it anyway.
I'd be curious to see. Is there a correlation between how fast you bet and them folding at all? Like a subconscious assumption if they are betting fast they might be really strong?
Not sure what you mean...can you elaborate? Every regular multi-tables, regardless of stake. The multi-table factor is one of the major factors that cause timing tells to exist in the first place.
@@saulocostapoker I think he means it implys the person did not open late because he was weak, but busy elsewhere. I six table and get to monsters very late because of this reason.
If anything, people multi tabling makes timing tells more potent because people will snap raise nutted hands while taking longer with the bottom of the raising range
Grande Saulo, aqui a debitar world class knowledge for free. Obrigado. Vi o video há uns dias e tive que voltar aqui para comentar. Estou a ficar paranóico, ando a contar os segundos do time bank, isto é real, e funciona ahah até tenho anotado a taxa de sucesso das vezes que altero a minha acção com base nos timing tells e os resultados parecem ser conclusivos...e cuidado comigo...ando a mandar fake timing tells ahah
I am curious, when you 4 bet or jam on the 3 and 4 bets, did you do that fast or slow, and how much impact on the result do you think that could have? But nice, I have always thought about the timing, but this is first time I see something on the matter nice video! 5/5
Hi Saulo, thanks for the info, this is a piece of information to think about; just wanted to ask, have you by chance tried to contact anybody of their admin team, maybe finding them through their insta account or something? I mean maybe they could share any extra things you were unable to find. The data you collected using the training platform is also valuable but obviously cannot be compared to the data they processed in the live game sessions. I'll try to find and reach out to them but if you already did, please let me know. Thanks. P.S.: I shared this info with my team (mtt), and they laughed even though I showed a bunch of hands where it worked :D Although I'm not using this like a mega exploit like some crazy stuff you were showing off back in the days in your discord server (xD) but in the situations when there are some arguments for call, some arguments for raise, and the villain tanking just adds some extra argument for raising the pot (testing it both pre flop and post flop)
Holy shit, that`s impressive. You've come a long way and in the end you've really become the purple line warrior we aspired to become back in the day :)
Yes, distraction is a major element of timing tells, and it's already accounted for in the data. Also keep in mind its not a black and white situation where longer decision NEVER is a strong hand. That's not what this is about...it's a probability distribution where different timings will on average have different range compositions. But the same hand can appear in all the timing intervals, what changes is the probability. Probability is all that matters here
Ever since this video showed up i feel like most of regs found out about this tell cause i see many people fake tanking with AA lmao, i think this exploit only works against recreationals now. I got conterexploited against people using their hole time bank many times against AA many times 😂
This doesn't change anything mate. If what you are saying is true, then the leak is still there, its just reversed. Now when people act quickly preflop they never have QQ+, and you can call wider and reraise wider because of that 😁Its impossible not to have timing leaks
I've just cliked the link and the e-mail form is not working when I'm accessing site from Russia, I have to switch to VPN. Why did you block access to Russian users?
Analysing your students data on games vs bots doesn’t make sense. Since they know they play bots, so they will never try to balance their timing. Of course it takes less time to act with top of your range on average, it is obvious. But in actual games people know that their timing might be used by opponent so they pay more attention to it. I’m not saying timing tell is not a thing, of course it is, I’m saying that data collected vs bots is irrelevant, it couldn’t show anything else
So the second part of the video doesn’t really confirm the data collected by the time mojo, since it is not from human vs human games. But anyway overall conclusions are probably correct
I like this video, thanks for the information. However I feel like the training environment does not make sense, since your students will have watched this video and adjusted their tells at least a bit, no? Realistically speaking, a low amount of people will join your training software, without watching your videos (quite religiously).
Timing tells are a function of a unsolvable logistical problem - it's impossible to allocate the same amount of attention to all the different decisions. Regardless of whether people know about it or not, they will continue to have leaks
Oh this is a diabolic exploit, youre waiting for you opponent to crunch some number weigh some odds maybe feel a bit sick. Then you snap all in and bring all their worst nightmares to life lmao and they say nah fuck this... evil bro. Im copying this
This is weaker than Live action reads. But I guess if you are playing low/micro stakes, I can see timing being a "thing". This isn't worth installing in your tool chest. Just because someone can explain some BS doesn't mean it doesn't stink. I hope that you all play like this. Better for me. lol
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From your play and explains, to the methodic teacher/student style informational vids, to the satire and sarcasm humour you incorporate into your vids. This channel is absolute gold. Thanks Saulo for this content!
Thanks, i just used this and got stacked by AA
lol you are fast! I imagine this is a joke, but for the other people reading - don't get discouraged if one or two exploits didn't work. It's not supposed to work always! Keep paying attention and adjusting whenever you can
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Haha
Its only a 5-10% difference tho, at least rfi, so it makes sense yoh get run over or false reads sometimes. But its huge over distance
lol bilbo never ran into a troll so big..or you’re burnt toast
Being more focused on timing tells since this video came out and I think this could be an absolute game changer! The 4 bet bluff vs long tanking 3bet it's absolutely massive. Can't wait for the full course to come out to study this theme in deep even in postflop play .
Thanks Saulo, a huge hug from Italy
Nah
Most underrated poker channel. thanks Saulo!
Everyone thinks this channel is amazing or whine that it'll kill online poker and he had unprecedented growth so I don't see how it's underrated :)
@@Donkle365 how does the eventuality you mentioned effect the opinion that the channel itself is underrated?
If solvers haven't killed the game yet, I highly doubt Saulo will achieve this feat single-handedly, lol
I believe you don't know what underrated means. Also, I never claimed this channel would kill poker
@@Donkle365 👍
Hey Saulo,
I was reading your RIO Journal that you started and your last post 5 years ago you said that you do not enjoy poker , but you do it as a job and you wish you could do something else more productive. My question to you is, why are you still doing poker 5 years later ?
Here is your quote
"That's a very good question. I don't really regret anything I did in the past because all the decisions I made were what brought me here and you can learn and grow a lot even (I should actually say 'specially') from the bad ones. So no, I don't regret becoming a professional poker player.
However, yes, I wouldn't advise anyone to take this path. Being a poker pro is insanely hard, not only to become one but to stay one lol Also the downsides of it are really significant. Yes money is good, yes you can work from your own home, yes you don't have a boss and yes you enjoy a degree of freedom in general that you wouldn't be able to in a regular career choice. But all those things are not making me a happier person than I was when I was at a 9-5 job 2.5 years ago.
Also, for me personally, the decision of becoming a poker pro was very fast and at the time I didn't see poker for what it really is. So today I'm already thinking about when I will be able to abandon the poker career, because I think I could be doing more useful things with my life. But thats a personal search for purpose and meaning that is different for everyone.
For now poker pays my bills (which are not few) and I'm grateful for it, so as long as it is my profession I will do my best at it every single day."
Timing tells against weak opponents are a real thing post flop, i also aways take a while to call when im trying to get bluffed, and call very fast when i dont want to get bluffed, from my experience this also works well.
Yes works well against fish. To bad you are the fish to non fish
Charlie Carrel talks a lot about the postflop timing tell: Snap call = medium showdown value where after getting a snap call on flop or turn he will bomb the next street assuming they always have some medium pair that folds.
What are your thoughts on this tell?
A timing tell doesn't mean much online either. You'll just get confused if you try to use it systematically. Of course, there are exceptions, so it's still worth looking at the overall picture. Simply put, timing alone doesn't contain enough information.
@@a.c.6937 For sure there's no tell that is 100% it's very player dependent. I have a player that everytime he bluffs he bets slow and when strong he bets quick. A different player could do the total opposite.
Over the past few days I’ve been noticing people exploitively using timing tells in my games and this video confirms it. Great video man very informative
Great content Saulo. I think many anon players have suspicions about timing tells; It's awesome to see data that backs up the feelings. Keep it up👍
Another way to use it exploitatively for extraction is "hollywooding". Ie, if you got a strong hand, you want to tank for a bit before making your 3bet or river jam.
Likewise, I use timing to gauge if my river bluffs/value bets are any good. If im getting snap called, then its bad either way (cause with value betting, you could be extractinf more, unless the opp tanks for a bit)
These are really good, im going to incorporate it more into my game
Most useful poker video I've ever seen on RUclips
Hey Saulo, I gained so much value from your content, you deserve my money :D any plans on releasing this timing tell course you mentioned?
Yess, it will be released within the next few months! Check out community tab posts, I asked today which course people would like to see released sooner
Great content! I play regular tables and not Zoom, so I'm not sure how this translates, though I'm definitely going to start being much more aware of the time opponents take to make decisions. Personally though I only play 4 tables at a time and have always typically tried to take about the same time to make decisions, as to be balanced with my timing. Oddly enough I never thought of exploiting my opponents with time in this way, but I myself was at least aware that I didn't want to act quickly with good hands and slowly with marginal ones. Curious to try this out and also to hear more when your course comes out.
My experience is that in regular tables you have to adjust the thresholds to account for the fact that the game is slower. So while a 10 second 3bet would mean a lot in a zoom game, perhaps it doesn't mean as much in a regular table and I need to up that threshold to something like 15s. Gotta do some experimentation and pay a lot of attention until you have a good grasp on the thresholds that are optimal
@@saulocostapoker would you say on reg if players act fast it weights them to lower fold % still?
@@saulocostapoker Gold and diamonds on this channel 💍💎💎
The amount of money that is embbeded in this video is just insane. Congrats for the great content my friend!
Thank you my friend
id love a video on postflop timing tells. I imagine it’s much more complicated. I feel like it’s easy to both associate it very long and very short action with strength or weakness (either thinking long because they have a strong hand and are thinking through the best course of action to extract value or bc they have a weak hand and maybe dont want to call or are considering bluffing and on the other hand short timing is a classic bluff tell since youd want to think if u have a strong hand but some people are dumb and just play face up while others may be trying to utilize a reverse tell. like trying to look like some shitty donk shove on the turn to get called down light by bad players who don’t want to get bullied. that might not be a thing on most sites/stakes but it definitely is on 5nl & 10nl on ignition)
I wouldnt. I figured out alot of stuff on my own from playing and looking for patterns. Then guys with youtube channels come and give away hard earned secrets to the masses just so they can promote themselves. Just figure it out for yourself man then you will have an edge on the field. If the secret gets out you wont have the edge for long. Just figure stuff out on your own. Dont beg a guy to release all of his secrets to the masses.
Or pay him for private coaching for 1hr and ask him to give you all his timing tell knowledge. I dont know why youd want him to make more videos about it.
I always thought those were straight up poker bots doing that.
I looked them up a few times and they seemed to always have TPGK or two pair and not the straight or flush.
Can't wait for this video Saulo, thank you! Also, do you still play frequently? Or are you more of a coach now?
You're welcome my friend! My focus nowadays is on running my businesses - RUclips and Metagame, so I play maybe 2-3k hands per week.
Very great Video! Loved it (:
I am now subscribed and looking forward to more Videos! Have a nice day and keep it up my man
Also, Saulo, what is your opinion on so much free poker training on the internet? Obviously, people will get better and better at poker, but there will be people that just won't put the time in to improve, correct? Sometimes I get scared that the games will dry up because of all the free amazing learning opportunities online, but then I remember; most people don't want the grind. What do you think about that?
ye online will die in like 10 yrs
All the idiots making free content make no money playing online poker.
Bro easy example.
There is also plenty of workout advice online and evrtyone can do it.
And how many people are really fit?? Its same. Small percentage gets much better, average get little bit better and majority will suck
@@phrog6073 That's what I heard 10 years ago. Truth is that most of the people are lazy to study, but still want to play. Poker will never dry up, people don't change.
@@phrog6073 people been saying that since 2011 lol
Excellent video. I like the scientific / data driven approach.
Saulo, is it worth implementing this strategy in micro/low tournaments? Or is this strategy mainly for cash games?
Great video Saulo!! One thing i was thinking about. If your software can do this great job and deep analisys is not worth it to add a future in wich the software can read hands so you can export hand historys out of the tables and take a look at the data for millions of hands? For sure it´s very easy for you taking in consideration your capacities as programer
this doesnt apply to none zoom games since the player on later postions can prethink about it
Seu conteúdo gratuito já é absurdo, fico so imaginando o papo de alto nível que rola dentro do time 🤯 Obrigado, Saulo!
lovely mate. in 12:43 you mention 20evbb/100 in 40k hands is extremely unlikely unless your winrate is super high
I ran 100k hands at 17bb/100 (500nl) at bodog. it dropped to 6.5 in the next 25k hands
back then I showed nick how variance is absolutely higher than poker dope would show. both for cash and tournaments.
he implemented this in his teachings afterwards; we agreed.
great! can that be used also for mtts?
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I cliked the link and the e-mail form is not working when I'm accessing site from Russia, I have to switch to VPN. Why did you block access to Russian users?
Boas Saulo, o link não funciona?
Love the content bro keep up the great work I'm a MTT up n comer online , I kno your primarily cash game but I still find this extremely valuable appreciation
Glad to hear that mate!
Great stuff man, thanks for sharing.
I like very much the way you do work, very effective.
Im a mtt player and i've always believe in timing tells, which are pretty simillar to what you just showed for most spots.
Its all about obviousness and comfortableness over human behavior.
Wide/close bluff combos take a while to raise, obvious and value combos go easy faster.
The higher the pressure the most evident these timing tells gets imo.
Thanks a lot Saulo
Super interesting thank you!!!
Insane stuff! So good! Thank you very much!!!
受益匪浅！万分感谢！
How do you adjust for players who multi table?
What do you mean? All of what was said in the video refers to people that multi-table - regulars.
@@saulocostapoker People who play more than 4+ tables. Seems like if the more tables a person plays they would take more time on each action.
@@saulocostapoker I think the logic is that when you have a lot of stuff going on on other tables it will sometimes take you much longer to engage in actions which while single tabling would take you
Hi Saulo, great video. Thank you for that.
I have two questions.
1) In the beginning of the video you said that you had feeling like you were cheated or exploited on ignition. However why do you think you were getting exploited? I understand your winrate increased because you started using timing tells. You started exploiting more population. However you have not explained why were you getting exploited?
2) Do you use some program, that can measure how long somebody took to take action?
I felt that on the beginning of the video 😅
Hey Saulo,
Thinking about how important is the range composition on flops and turns of villain bets and raises (even more than frequency I would guess)
Is there a way to have GTO proportion of bluff/value ratio to compare to H2N numbers on the Flop and Turn nodes?
Is there any heuristic besides the 70/30 flop and 50/50 turn? I think these don't work for many spots. Or maybe some way to get the specifics spots approximate numbers?
If so, which hands categories would be a bluff? Draws, even 3rd pair if is an overbet sizing?
Thanks for the content
Gto wizard done a video on "Leverage" thats worth checking out
When you were 5bet shoving light, were you using villain’s 4bet timing, RFI timing, or a mix of the two?
I thought you were hyping up to mental game in the first minute. This was a nice surprise. Going to impliment this to some degree right away. I grind $50-100 tourneys I would imagine its still applicable especially against fish
Saulo are you using the MX Vertical mouse?
This works great blind vs blind or button vs blinds
game changer for me. Thanks bro
conteúdo sagrado irmão! Coisa linda Saulo, meus sinceros agradecimentos por esse conhecimento
Sick video! I'd love to see content on limping premiums from EP: the data supporting it, whether you balance it with weaker hands, postflop play, etc.
One question: I am a software engineer myself which player poker part time as well in university (quite sucessfully). How comes you stuck with poker? IT is high income as well, minus the stress and variance of poker
Maybe he loves poker more
It’s basically a universal trend among top players that they were absolutely obsessed with the game for at least the beginning of their careers. Anyone who doesn’t love poker shouldn’t try to pursue it as a career. It would be a miserable life if you don’t love it.
Wow, great content :)
What’s your opinion on using exploitative reverse timing tells? Ie acting slower with premiums to induce spazzes?
Almost no one is paying attention to it, so you wouldn't have much return. That being said, its a freeroll right. If at least someone takes the bait, it should be a profitable strategy.
Do you have anything for PLO? Is it possible to program this program to PLO?
Nice video! Why in the general sample the sample next to 5bet is 0? How much this course will it be?
He is a great poker coach but it looks like maybe not the best programmer. Looked like a small bug. Also the labels all over the place kind of poorly designed. But I don't think he cared how it looked just that it got him the data lol.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, so when we have a strong hand do we want to act fast with our decisions because that induces more 3b and less F3b? And then when we're opening and 3betting with mid range hands we want to take our time to increase the liklihood of the folds?
I think you misinterpreted something. The video is about the timings of your opponents and what they mean, not how to manipulate your own timings. I don't think there is much benefit to manipulating your own timings as no one is paying attention and adjusting to it anyway.
I'd be curious to see. Is there a correlation between how fast you bet and them folding at all? Like a subconscious assumption if they are betting fast they might be really strong?
People are more likely to multi table in Micro-Low Stakes though? Isn't this gonna impact this "time tell strategy"?
Not sure what you mean...can you elaborate? Every regular multi-tables, regardless of stake. The multi-table factor is one of the major factors that cause timing tells to exist in the first place.
@@saulocostapoker I think he means it implys the person did not open late because he was weak, but busy elsewhere. I six table and get to monsters very late because of this reason.
If anything, people multi tabling makes timing tells more potent because people will snap raise nutted hands while taking longer with the bottom of the raising range
@@saulocostapoker Makes sense now. Huge fan from Portugal here. Love you man.
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Top tier content 💯
Thanks Peter!
Grande Saulo, aqui a debitar world class knowledge for free. Obrigado. Vi o video há uns dias e tive que voltar aqui para comentar. Estou a ficar paranóico, ando a contar os segundos do time bank, isto é real, e funciona ahah até tenho anotado a taxa de sucesso das vezes que altero a minha acção com base nos timing tells e os resultados parecem ser conclusivos...e cuidado comigo...ando a mandar fake timing tells ahah
vaamo! gl meu querido, pega eles 👊🏽
I am curious, when you 4 bet or jam on the 3 and 4 bets, did you do that fast or slow, and how much impact on the result do you think that could have? But nice, I have always thought about the timing, but this is first time I see something on the matter nice video! 5/5
great stuff
Hi Saulo, thanks for the info, this is a piece of information to think about; just wanted to ask, have you by chance tried to contact anybody of their admin team, maybe finding them through their insta account or something? I mean maybe they could share any extra things you were unable to find. The data you collected using the training platform is also valuable but obviously cannot be compared to the data they processed in the live game sessions. I'll try to find and reach out to them but if you already did, please let me know. Thanks.
P.S.: I shared this info with my team (mtt), and they laughed even though I showed a bunch of hands where it worked :D Although I'm not using this like a mega exploit like some crazy stuff you were showing off back in the days in your discord server (xD) but in the situations when there are some arguments for call, some arguments for raise, and the villain tanking just adds some extra argument for raising the pot (testing it both pre flop and post flop)
your fake tilt is top notch, thanks for that🤣
Is the course out?
This Video is Insane!!!!!!!
All the hands are attempting to steal. The timing really affect this?
I have dif openion about this you have to go with your guts with this spots for real tho
Holy shit, that`s impressive. You've come a long way and in the end you've really become the purple line warrior we aspired to become back in the day :)
Whaaaaaat, who are you?? George? David?
@@saulocostapoker I'm Florian
Games about to get wild
Sometimes people are just distracted or scratching their butt. also, this can start a meta-game of regs faking timing tells.
Already happens particularly tanking AA pre flop
Yes, distraction is a major element of timing tells, and it's already accounted for in the data. Also keep in mind its not a black and white situation where longer decision NEVER is a strong hand. That's not what this is about...it's a probability distribution where different timings will on average have different range compositions. But the same hand can appear in all the timing intervals, what changes is the probability. Probability is all that matters here
@@saulocostapoker fair point
FFS how should I win with these kind of players in the pool
Ever since this video showed up i feel like most of regs found out about this tell cause i see many people fake tanking with AA lmao, i think this exploit only works against recreationals now. I got conterexploited against people using their hole time bank many times against AA many times 😂
This doesn't change anything mate. If what you are saying is true, then the leak is still there, its just reversed. Now when people act quickly preflop they never have QQ+, and you can call wider and reraise wider because of that 😁Its impossible not to have timing leaks
Great!
How soon can we get this course?! 🔥
Can someone please summarize the key timming tells ideas from this video?
Did you look up the hands 24 hours later to see what hands you are getting to fold? I think that would’ve made this video incredibly more eye opening.
Is this 2004? Is your sick exploit really a level 1 timing tell?
I've just cliked the link and the e-mail form is not working when I'm accessing site from Russia, I have to switch to VPN. Why did you block access to Russian users?
How much will your timing tell course cost?
Will this work for lower stakes games also?
I see no reason why it wouldn't. GO GET THEM
@@saulocostapoker ty
Shows a perfect run of 5bet hands, lets see all the times this failed.
Genial!
Analysing your students data on games vs bots doesn’t make sense. Since they know they play bots, so they will never try to balance their timing. Of course it takes less time to act with top of your range on average, it is obvious.
But in actual games people know that their timing might be used by opponent so they pay more attention to it.
I’m not saying timing tell is not a thing, of course it is, I’m saying that data collected vs bots is irrelevant, it couldn’t show anything else
So the second part of the video doesn’t really confirm the data collected by the time mojo, since it is not from human vs human games. But anyway overall conclusions are probably correct
GOAT
Tanking with aces always now
Good strategy
I like this video, thanks for the information. However I feel like the training environment does not make sense, since your students will have watched this video and adjusted their tells at least a bit, no? Realistically speaking, a low amount of people will join your training software, without watching your videos (quite religiously).
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Nice
Sorcery!
I reckon this video will cause a bunch of begginers to punt their minds off preflop 😂
Can't punt more than I did to know these things! I 5bet jammed T8o on a read :D
But this exploit is easily countered by fake tanking..
youre a goat bro
the best
likely u kill this edge with ur video, thx
Timing tells are a function of a unsolvable logistical problem - it's impossible to allocate the same amount of attention to all the different decisions. Regardless of whether people know about it or not, they will continue to have leaks
@@saulocostapoker u are still cleaning up last bigger edges for winrates imo. yt usually full of fishregs. fair play to u to monetize it tho
sit stand walk desks are a thing. it takes me 25+ seconds to go from standing -> sitting. i would be weary of using preflop timing tells.
Please stop uploading videos. Your information is too valuable hahaha 🙏
Oh this is a diabolic exploit, youre waiting for you opponent to crunch some number weigh some odds maybe feel a bit sick. Then you snap all in and bring all their worst nightmares to life lmao and they say nah fuck this... evil bro. Im copying this
Loved the "evil bro. Im copying this" LMAO go get them 👊🏽👊🏽
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like in the dark
This is weaker than Live action reads. But I guess if you are playing low/micro stakes, I can see timing being a "thing". This isn't worth installing in your tool chest. Just because someone can explain some BS doesn't mean it doesn't stink. I hope that you all play like this. Better for me. lol
Wtf you must be extremely intelligent how can someone program something like this on a whim... 😮
I play multiple tables. If my timing is off, its probably because I have a decision on another table...idk if your "timing" tells are very reliable.
Anyone who can build an app like that, can build an RTA…
this is a bunch of baloney lol
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