Where Will Hip-Hop Be In 20 Years? | DEHH Convo
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- We were asked what do we think hip-hop will look like in the next 10 to 20 years. In this conversation we were joined by Yoh of Dj Booth and hip-hop artist Damone Tyrell.
Let us know your thoughts and opinions in the comment section.
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To quote Mos Def, “me, you, everybody, we are hip hop. So hip hop is going where we going ...”
And where exactly are we going??
This is a great quote. "The Culture" is literally just the people.
Melvin Slaughter idk. I’m not clairvoyant.
Always loved that song
I was listening to that song this morning
I feel like in 20 years we'll be looking back at a lot of the SoundCloud rap in the same way we look at a lot of Glam Rock of the 80s. It's more of a novelty thing. Face tats and clout goggles are basically the new hairspray and spandex.
Agreed!
This implies that we might see a hip-hop Nirvana coming pretty soon to shake up the genre. I'm interested in that.
@@theburntcheeto Hmmm... See, I remember people making this exact argument a couple of years ago with the bling era. The thing to keep in mind here might be that grunge beat out glam by being LESS polished and sophisticated. The ugly, lo-fi, face-tatted Soundcloud dudes are the Nirvana to that period.
@@Anthropomorphic You might be right. Then we're just farther along then i thought. We'll probably go the same way rock did. Something will blow hip-hop off of the charts, then we'll recede into the background and keep on going.
@@theburntcheeto Just to keep playing with the analogy, grunge was followed by post-grunge and nu-metal, meaning that we should expect to see hip-hop's counterparts to Creed and Nickelback within a few years, overlapping partly with hip-hop's counterparts to Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit (which might just be numetal again, really). I'm tempted to say that the Kurt Cobain of hip-hop's grunge period might be XXXTentacion. He seemed to genuinely spook some folks in a way that's going to be increasingly attractive as hip-hop becomes more and more mainstream. Considering that he wasn't personally part of ending the bling era, though, maybe I'm wrong. Kanye is definitely Bowie, though. Lil Peep could be Joy Division, and Ghostmane could be Korn.
Im calling it now, soon there will be a popular hip hop album where the instrumentals rap and the people are the beats. Cya in 20 years
Game on
That's how it was in the early 80s. The DJ and the beats were the driving force of the music, the rapper hadn't become the headliner till the late 80s.
MW2fabian isn’t that kinda like young thug?
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Someone screenshot this!
Editing with the multiple angles was much better in this video. Killing it Modest!
Cole Pace for sure, was perfect amount this time
Yes this was a better edit. Please do more of these. It enhances the experience
Hip-Hop could die out, but it won't be the only genre that does. Music in general is becoming more "genreless" in the streaming/internet age. Younger people are exploring and listening to all different kinds of music and young artists are incorporating all those different sounds in their own music. The idea of "cliques" doesn't really exist anymore. It's not like you got groups of Hip-Hop heads, Goths, jocks, etc. everything is just kind of meshed together. Myke mentions how a guy like Lil Peep wouldn't pass before and that's true cause there were rules to a lot of these cliques and subcultures. Now there aren't any rules and kids are catering to their own niches and listening to what they like and making what they like. It's very common for people around my age (myself included) to listen to Hip-Hop but also listen to other things like Rock, Electronic, etc. So I think the sound of Hip-Hop can be around for a very long time but idk if the culture itself will be as relevant.
Hip hop will probably be the last genre to go down, because it infuses elements from every other genre, it's an incredibly complex genre I can't see humanity topping it.
Esharido Completely agree with you. The fact that hip-hop has elements from all kinds of genres is what helps keep it so relevant and refreshing. It’s hard to even consider some music as hip-hop now because it sounds like a little bit of everything.
I don't think genres are going away completely as long as folks still like this but not that. As for hip-hop specifically, I wonder if there might not be a clue in the fact that so many younger rappers won't call themselves rappers. All in all, the future of hip-hop might look a lot like Post Malone.
@@Anthropomorphic I wouldn't say Post Malone, but I get what you're saying and I do agree to a point, but I also agree with Johnny, Esharido, and What The in how Hip-Hop has evolved to be all inclusive, and I use the word evolve to make a point that Hip-Hop is no longer just a music genre, but a living breathing entity that has a pulse and a life, and like the people who enjoy different cultures and music, it also enjoys different things. I mean we have the guys like ICP, Twiztid, and others who make music that Goths and Metalheads might enjoy because their music is dark, and while mostly goofy, it's also full of relative topics that those people face just as gangsta rap was full of issues that people in the ghetto face. Then you also have these incredibly versatile and talented guys like Kendrick and Tech N9ne who can not only do Rap and Hip-Hop, but can reach out and do EDM, Country, Rock, Metal, and anything else because they're that great at finding a common denominator, grabbing it, and zoning in on just that to the point where you look and feel not only proud as a minority or a gangbanger or whatever, but also a bit envious and sad because you know that it could've been you. I don't like all this mumbling shit, but I can appreciate songs made for just dancing and songs made for the bedroom, and all other topics, and you can look at how Hip-Hop literally has a bit of everything in it and while the culture may not be the same as it is now, or how it was 10 years ago or 20 or even the 30 to 40 years ago, I can say that in 10 and even 20 years, Hip-Hop will still be very prominent and the culture will be as strong as people allow it to be. We have Japanese people who are rapping and freestyling in Japanese on street corners and people who are actually enjoying that. And the same in other countries. Will Hip-Hop ever die? Hell no. It's far too ingrained in everything at this point to ever die. Even if it stops being in the mainstream eye and stops being played, unless the earth explodes or just becomes uninhabitable and we don't find anyplace else to relocate to resulting in the utter extinction of sentience and life as we know it, Hip-Hop will find a way back into the lives of people through history because it is so big now.
this is it chief👍🏼
I'm kinda with Myke on this one, The oversaturation of hip-hop is already taking its toll on the genre to the point where ANYTHING can basically be accepted now and praised. It's only a matter of time until the genre implodes on itself.
Like Rock music did
Yea like people calling any album that drops a classic because it’s from an artist they like. Calling people like lil peep a legend.
I feel that with trap. When you see artists like Migos pushing 20+ songs with their tired, bland, and repetitive lyrics over everyday trap beats just for more streams, that signals the decline for me. I dont think hip hop will fall in 20 years. I think this trap scene is going to fade out and another one is going to take its place.
The AfroPlaylist(Fro-Tho) I suspect that we're watching it implode right now
Mitchem Callahan all that means is its a wide open lane for Dope artists with content to take over and that's why you see Artists like J Cole Meek Drake & Kendrick out selling the trap rappers the Artists with real music still on top of the game if artists like pump was out selling the big guys I'd be worried
This is about to be a passionate discussion
What is the guy in the black cap talking about??? Jazz was hugely cultural in the 1920s to 40s until it was overthrown by the next huge cultural movement of Rock in the 50s. All these massive genres were in movies, influenced fashions, etc. Hip Hop was not the first to be culturally influentially and wont be the last.
FlamencoOz that’s the real observation that needs to be highlighted 💯
You clumped too many decades of musical genre dominance
It’s the epitome of arrogance to believe hip hop is the first to dominate and to believe it will never be toppled. Don’t take this as me shitting on hip hop i love hip hop but everything runs its course. I truly believe when PC culture falls off hip hop will with it. Plus KPop is gaining massive amounts of steam from all walks of life.
Tell em tell em my man, these motherfuckers think they're the center of the world
Homie in the hat got the same mic that Travis Scott gave Nav smh
CHILL💀
Hip hop is such a large, vague genre that I think we will see more defined sub genres. We could see sub genres so well defined, they make us question whether its an entirely separate genre.
True. People always compare Hip-Hop to Rock, but it's kind of true in the sense of how vast and diverse the music is. We'll probably soon be referring to Hip-Hop by specific sub-genres considering how vague of a term Hip-Hop has become now
We already edging close to that and i love it
"What The!?" I pray that that’s true. But most people are casual listeners at best. To the casual listener drake, RTJ’s and lil pump all are rap. And the difference is unlike rock. We have hype beast from outside the culture dictating the culture of rap and completely disrespecting the Greats, legends, and unwritten rules that existed.
RedToadGamer agree. I mean just in the past decade we had 3 sub-genres that were created, Trap music, drill music and mumble rap.
MTWENTY Mumble rap is not a sub-genre. what is categorized as Mumble rap is usually pop rap, trap rap, and emo rap.
The real question is, “Is hip-hop a dead end?l
THATS THE TICKET
Higher Tiki The real question is will Jay Elec drop Act 2 within the next 20 years?
@@joshuasutton983 underrated comment
In the Woods I was just listening to Act 1 earlier today. It sounded so beautiful. The culture needs Act 2.
Jeff true
Imagine this conversation being had in 1998.
This whole conversation was super interesting to me but one thing that stood out especially was how you guys feel like younger people started the "war" between old fans and young fans. I'm 19 and I've been listening to hip hop my whole life. I love classic hip hop but I also love guys like Lil Uzi Vert and Young Thug. Its my generations music, I've been listening to that stuff since way before the 2016 XXL cover. I've been fucking with Soundcloud rap since it was still underground and the mainstream hadn't even heard of it. From my perspective, it felt like our music started getting attacked the minute it made its way into the mainstream. I didn't hear any oldheads shitting on Goth Money, SADBOYS, Awful Records, Team Sesh, etc back in 2012-2014, but the minute Lil Yachty became mainstream you guys started shitting on our music on every mainstream hip hop platform. I can kind of understand it because older people weren't following the scene before it blew up, you guys didn't see it evolve, so from your perspective Yachty came out of nowhere. But we saw that sound evolve and grow from a niche to being on the radio. I can't even see how you feel like we started it. Everybody showed love to older hip hop until you guys went after Yachty for saying he had never heard a Tupac song or whatever he said, it was definitely a response to being attacked on our part. Even in this video I can tell you guys don't fully appreciate how deep that sound is in the culture of young people right now. You were talking about how we're going to grow out of it, but I don't see that happening. I've been listening to Young Thug for damn near six years, at this point I can't see myself losing an appreciation for his music. If you guys still enjoy Wu Tang and all the other artists you grew up with, I don't see how you feel it'll be different for us.
This comment represents me. I feel the exact same.
dehh convos>>>>>>
You never know. Hip Hop might have have another golden age.
EDM being the dominant genre years from now was easier to digest two years ago when it was hotter. But you never know it can easily tick back up.
Ayyy the convos are back!
I feel like hip hop will evolve and have a better look within the next 5 years. A revival, something game changing, I believe will happen 💯
Facts.
Thats what people were saying in 2008-2010 And Kendrick, J.cole, Kid Cudi, Big Sean, Meek Mill, Schoolboy Q, Tyler and B.o.B showed up so I hope you're right, these young kids needs to come thru
@@CloudTribe I agree, music 10 years ago had it revival. I rap myself and hope to be apart that rebirth. Right now, hip hop is on a thin line that needs to get thick again.
What are you basing your hypothesis on?
@@catastrophic3 on the fact that these silly artists we have now won't last another 5 years. It's many issues going on in the game for it to just keep falling. A new wave will come in and change shit up, we're at the end of this decade and it's slowly crashing. It can't continue like that it just can't.
Imo, Hip-hop is a youth led genre, and it is going to evolve to fit the tastes of that audience. I don’t think hip-hop is going to die out because, at its core, its transgressive music/culture. And what’s transgressive is always going to be cool by young people. Plus, it’s got the ability to connect to a listener on a more personal level than other genres.
As far as mainstream popularity, I expect hip-hop is going to go the same way as every other genre. It’s going to be on top until it reaches the point of over saturation and then the genre is going to retract while another genre takes it’s space in the mainstream.
Myke man. You're, to me, the best one of this group. Your thoughts and opinions are based on, what seems to me, a realistic view point of the world and how things flow and play out. Even though I sometimes disagree with you in your other videos I always find myself looking forward to your view point and perspective specifically. Thank you and rest of dehh for the great content and videos. Its because of you guys that I found myself enjoying and understanding hip hop more and inspiring me to check out albums and music I would have otherwise never looked up. Good luck and continues success to you, your families and your entire team and loved ones.
Damn Beezy 430! Stop hogging the mic! Let other people talk!😂
Della Yassine lmaoooo
I been on a DEHH binge and I notice that Beezy really don’t talk unless he like the album or subject
All the trap artists will be acting like Lord Jamar & Joe Budden
I been asking myself this for a minute! All I know is, I been waiting on this Trap era to be over for well over a year. It’s definitely at its saturation point
Exactly... Its getting lame. I'm 23, but I go to shows and recover meetings so when I look at the typical teenagers , I feel like they might be on the verge of getting sick of it too.
Never going to end as long as the South runs Hip-hop 😔
Black music in America will continue to re-invent itself forever. Its current incarnation is Hip-Hop and even if it ever "dies" like Jazz, a past incarnation of black music currently being taught in schools across America, it will come back as another form of cultural expression unique to a "heavily-melanated area" where the conditions of that environment are similar to the conditions that led to the creation of Jazz and Hip-Hop.
The camera cuts are a lot smoother and cleaner now.
Props to Midest
Myke the Kid C Town back again!
When we watch this in 20 years that shits gonna be crazy I’ll be 41!!!
In 20 Years it will be RobotRap
I already made RoboRap with a voice synthesizer. It's pretty fuego.
I live and die by Hip-Hop. In 20 years, I'll still be bopping to Ice Cube, Dre, Pac, Nas and them motherfuckers.
Old head
I'll be bumping J.cole and Kendrick
I'll be bumping rappers from the early 2000s 90s and 80s.
Your gonna be that old dude that thinks "music was trash after pink Floyd"
Finna be pumping lil Jon, don’t know bout them other pussies though, sound kinda weak.
I think in 20 years the idea of genre will evaporate and we will get one genre and formulaic template for popular music. Any individuality will be discouraged
Fam they got Yoh in here this is dope he's always fun to follow on Twitter and his pieces on DJBOOTH are always great
trueee, my fave writer on there
Drake's son Adidon will be the top hip hop artist in the world in 20 years.
And DJ Khaled's son is gonna be making beats for him
😂😂😂
And 60 y/o Pusha T will body him and his deadbeat father again lmao
Nikhil Bhagat Nope. Adidon the goat. He just don't know it yet.
@@joshuasutton983 False.
I think @damonetyrell made a valid point about hip-hop’s sonic directionality. The culture grew out of the Bronx during one of the worst drug epidemics in modern history. Hip-hop has a record of voicing the harsh realities of living poor in America.
To Fefo’s point about sub-genres; they’ll eventually morph into there own mainstream genres in the way Blues shifted to Jazz shifting to Disco and R&B and so forth.
At the end of the day, if you want to see how hip-hop might sound in the future, look at the scenes in which it exists now (Atlanta) and follow its economy and the affect it has has on people living their.
when Black culture changes then we can see the art reflect those changes.
Low-key this conversation scary
In the next 10 to 20 years I would hope that there’s more kinship within the community of hip hop. There has been rifts in the past between older and younger artists do to the lack of respect for each other’s music. I feel that if we could create more platforms for both generations to have conversation discussing the history and future of the genre, it wont only help with repairing the relationship but it could inspire the next generation. I think Hip Hop could age gracefully if we can continue to teach and preserve the culture of hip hop. There’s no reason why in the next couple decades we can’t have hip hop schools that teach rap like Juilliard teaches acting. I think the culture of hip hop can always be present as long as we keep in touch with our roots while also searching for new and unique sounds.
damn Beezy needs to speak up some more, I love it when him and Myke play off of each other
Two phrases come to my mind in this discussion: "Cream rises to the top" and "Shit floats."
In 20 years, I wager the hip-hop greats of today will still be around, with new artists following in their footsteps and going even further beyond in content and lyricism, contributing to the culture in real and impactful ways, dropping classics that will blow our minds upon a first listen. Then there will be the acolytes of the Lil's, putting out trash that'll get them 15 minutes of fame and dilute the wider societal conceptions of hip-hop. No matter what "quality controls" are put in place, there will always be trash that becomes people's treasure, just as there will always be diamonds in the rough. Regardless of this, even if culture moves beyond hip-hop, it'll never move past it. Some portion of it will always be present - maybe not to the same extent as it is now, but just like Jazz, R&B, Rock n' Roll, it'll be there in the marble cake of our society.
This was a great discussion. And everyone had different points.
What Ken is proposing is death of hip hop. Rock has a lot of old heads who refuse to listen to anyone who doesn’t sound like Led Zeppelin. Most new rock bands are banned from these rock radio stations. Let hip hop evolve that’s what’s been keeping rap relevant for over 2 decades.
Scott Tangents great point
am i correct that your hypothesis is that rock radio gatekeepers are what killed rock? and in exchange allowed hip-hop to thrive? i think that's brilliant. in addition, i would say that the latest rock movement of screaming based rock was propelled by music videos and the tv industry of MTV/Much Music/Fuse/etc, which has now been replaced by youtube/social media
The thing about hip hop is that its an extremely flexible and adaptible genre compared to country or even rock. It's innovative, provocative, relevant, relatable to almost everybody. I think the only way hip hop would die is if another more innovative and adaptable genre comes and I dont see that happening. And dude's first point is moot because rappers been dropping albums from their bedroom since hip hop started.
I’m 18 and I don’t listen to much of the mainstream stuff, it got boring and I grew out of it at around 14/15(Started listening at around 9). I think a lot of kids champion the popular stuff of today simply because that’s all they’ve ever been exposed to. They don’t try to find other types of music and when they get put on to some shit they’ve never heard of, their first instinct is to feel intimidated and insecure because the artist might be sort of a culture shock to what they’re usually listening to and of course revert to trashing said artist because they’re different. Also hip hop journalism is HORRIBLE which doesn’t help.
Facts.
Im the same as u. Ive matured as far as my music taste. In 8th grade Forest Hills Dr kinda changed my life because it took me from mainstream trendy hip hop to real music. From there i got into J. Cole, Kendrick, Earl, Isaiah Rashad, Joey Badass, as well as older OGs from the 90s. I think i have one of the best tastes in hip hop of anyone i know. In the car with friends i cant play any of the shit i listen to on my own bc they would think its wack and clown on me which is sad. I think the majority of people are unable to take in music with actual substance bc they are either stupid or they just dont care about music that much. Hip hop with substance and lyrical quality is objectively better than any of the shit they play on the radio
the Forest Hills Drive Album made me a J.Cole fan. I feel the same way, in that it was anti mainstream. That's exactly what Hiphop needed at the time.
I think Hip-Hop is currently in it's "Hair Metal" Phase that Rock Music went through in the 1980's. The music, culture, etc. was all about Excess, Loudness (On The Instruments and the screaming into the microphone delivery most rock bands had). The music and culture specifically in the 1980's, parallel to Hip-Hop now, is over-saturated with music that is meaningless, substanceless, and devoid of "Humanity." I think Hip-Hop's Grunge Phase will be next, though, it will have nothing to do with the current Grunge-esque rap sounds coming from XXXtentacion and Lil Peep. What I mean is, we all think rap is in that "Bad place" right now because it's dumbed down, but somebody will come along someday in the same fashion a Kurt Cobain did and shake the whole thing up again. Somebody will "Rap" in a way with a style of production we can't imagine because we haven't HEARD it yet. When that happens, 20 years from now Hip-Hop will still be here, it just may be called something completely different by then.
I don't think we're in the grunge phase just yet, we're currently in that in between era when glam metal was still popular but less polished and more abrasive bands started to become mainstream.
@@dexenationgracey1979 I agree. Substance vs Style is an eternally shifting scale. It goes from all style to all substance, and in between, all the time. So I think within 20 years we'll have another breakthrough that is controversial and revitalizes "Rap" music, though it may have a different name after it is initially called "Progessive" or "Alternative" Rap
I just reread your comment.
Toy Man Before Nirvana, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam, there was the funk metal sounds of Living Colour, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Faith No More. Maybe XXXTentacion, Lil Pump, Ski Mask and Denzel Curry are the funk metal of rap.
To yoh’s point, I grew into hip hop over time and the culture that brought me in was the music at first. I had no idea sounds and songs like that could EXIST. It’s a long story anyway, but what kept me interested was the stories of the artists, how their songs meant something to them and how they ALWAYS had something today, about life, sorrow, success...words were magic. That culture or that part of it that influences he other pillars might not be as popular but it sure as hell is still important to those of us who rock with hip hop and want to do that for life.
DEHH is probably the most diverse set of Hip Hop fans/opinions on RUclips. Myke C Town- A very experimental/alternative rap fan. Death grips,MF Doom, Flying Lotus, etc. Fefo- Lover of west coast Hip Hop. Nipsey, Kendrick, Snoop,Dre,etc. Ken- Southern hip hop like UGK,Outkast, TI,etc. And while there is no east coast, soundcloud rap, or pop rap music perspective, it's refreshing to see so many perspectives on hip hop
Great discussion. Seems what's happening to hip hop is the dance that happened to rock/ metal. It was raw originally, then the glam era happened, now its pretty much underground again
Oh question: I ask this on ALL the platforms but my question again is: how do y’all feel about rappers who rep hip hop from other cultures? Non white rappers [like Jay Park, Anik Khan, Divine, Kris Wu, Raja Kumari, Arjuna, Drunken Tiger, Epik High to name a few] who respect the culture but use their own experiences to bring a new voice to hip hop in all senses? The language, the style, the clothes and perspectives? I really would love to hear y’alls answers one day on here or ITMSO either way.
Peace.
Hip Hop is not learning from Rock's mistakes. Which is "Record Labels". Check my analogy... Rock in the 50s is what hiphop in the 80s was... 50s you had Elvis, Chuck Berry, Buddy holly etc... 80s had Run dmc, Ll cool j, and grandmaster flas which are your core basic beginnings. The 60s you had the Beatles, rolling stones, Jimi hendrix etc... 90s you had pac, nas, biggie etc... Which both genres have grown musically and lyrically from the previous generation. 70s you had Led Zeppelin, pink floyd, queen etc... 00s you had Eminem, kanye, 50 cent etc... Which it has grown again musically from the previous generation and new sub genres start to come out. Now this is when both genres start to decline musically and lyrically. And that's when the record labels come in. They see how big the genre is and start exploiting the art form. In the 80s you had great rock bands like U2, Van Halen, Iron Maiden and you had the trash metal scene etc... But the bands that were ruling the radio were shitty hair metal bands like Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Poison etc... In the 2010s you have great rappers like Kendrick, Cole, Joey badass, chance etc... but the ones ruling the radio are people like lil uzi, lil pump, cardi b, Migos, drake etc... See the connection??? Now in the 90s people were tired of rock songs about party and sex etc.. so another sub genre was born. And it was called Grunge rock. And bands like Nirvana, pearl jam, soundgarden etc... bands that leaned more into lyricism and expression. Which is why we might have a new sub genre in hip hop that will get tired of this mumble rap and start rapping about important things. Hiphop came from rock (rock came from Jazz, Blues and gospel music). Both genres came from struggling people and about fighting and rebelling againts the system. Just like hiphop came from Rock a new genre will come out of rap in the next 20 years. Hiphop will not be #1 again just like it happened to Rock music. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF...
As long as hip hop continues to stay fresh and evolve sonically and culturally, it'll never leaves
I think too many people see a genre as a line that changes colour through different phases. I think it's more like this: you know those hoops that chain up that magicians use for tricks, connecting and disconnecting? Like that, but more links get added to the chain and in different directions when new genres and crazes come along. Some break off when they become irrelevant, but they end up being replaced sooner or later. All genres have gone through that.
But. To be honest from my time in England. And Europe. I can see the resurgence of drum and base and house music. And black people taking it back. And blowing that up.
"The demise of Hip-Hop started..." Jesus Ken!
I love a lot of the different parts of hip hop.
I have UGK4Life, Twista, DMX.
TDE, Big KRIT, JCole keep doing what they're doing and Im straight
Those artists are only gonna be in the game for so long with a platform and mainstream relevancy. Case in point Lupe Fiasco was on top of the game back in the day. I bet the average fan back then wouldn't even know he dropped Drogas Waves. They're talking about everyone coming out now and going forward and how they will affect the rap game.
Not for nothing, Feefo done really grew the most out the crew. He's been dropping jewels for the past 2-3 years, as a dude who fuck w/ the "real" hip-hop and the "bump in the whip" ratchet type rap. He has a real good perspective on shit. Salute✊🏿
I hope y’all do that J.I.D album DiCaprio2
I feel like dehh would a top tier Hip-hop label Myke could be a dope ass A&R
I think in the next 20 years, lyrics and content are going to be in the most simplistic form that even a 2 year old toddler with understand. The Lupe fiascos, Kendrick Lamars, Nas, etc. will be apart of a dying breed when it comes to lyrics and content.
Younger guys are being a little too optimistic lol. If rock music tanked then hip hop sure as hell ain't safe.
Is lyricism reviving? With the new wave of artists that’s coming out like the reasons, J.I.D’s , Cordae, Shawn Smith, and with vets dropping strong albums.
E Prime lyricism was never dead, if you talking about the mainstream there have always been mainstream lyricists but lyricism isn’t mainstream
Even in the 90’s lyricism wasn’t mainstream, songs on the Hot 100 usually aren’t very intricate lyrically
Not as long as Drake and Cardi B are still around
Marlon Garcia agreed, I always got it confused with the golden era that’s what I took it for.
Esharido lol
Esharido artists like Drake and Cardi B have always existed, they’re called mainstream pop artists. They don’t focus on lyricism that’s not their thing. You can’t say lyricism is dead cause of those two when we got some great lyricists today
2017 2018 are the 2006 07 08 of hip hop. The 2020 is gonna be something new, just like the 2010s brought a new Era of different artist but the got over saturated with the Trap sound around 2015
2007 was the year hip-hop died.
Myke on point in this conversation
As a fan of both hip hop and Rock/Metal i think hip hop is moving out of the limelight just like it was with rock and metal from the 60 to lets say 90 and you can see it happen right now the dividing in different genres is the start that is especially true for metal
I heard nobody talking about bandcamp artists a lot of talented rappers there so underground still exist.There's too much music dropping so you'll always have underground rap that get buried by bigger release.
We need a lot!!!! More conversations
I hope we don't lose any hip hop giant between those years
Mesus sad part is we probably will. Kanye, Jay, Em, DOOM will be in their early sixties. I'm pretty sure most of the OG's like ATCQ, Wu-Tang, will surely have passed
@@MichaelJimenez416 imagine the funerals , God Damit Heaven must be crowded
We will lose a few at least
Mrbigweeknee jay is the same age as tribe and Wu
Damn man, we just lost DMX and MF DOOM...
And to kinge’s point, y’all are kind of curating hip hop too. Y’all put me into Freddie Gibbs, Kendrick’s older stuff, Royce, a couple others...honestly y’all are curating things by having honest discussions ABOUT the shit.
What you were talking about how compared to today from the 90s, people hop on and off albums within a month, usually less, and although that’s true, you also have to think about the fact that A LOT more music is coming out compared to the 90s, because of how popular hip hop is right now, so of course with this much music coming out, people are gonna wanna hear more and more of it, leading to shorter attention spans.
Lmao beezy opened his mouth at the Midway of this video
its so funny. he's a lot more opinionated on the podcast tho.
THE TITLE OF THIS MADE ME THINK INSTANTLY “holy fuck I have no idea where hiphop could be in 20 years from now...”
GREAT QUESTION
It depends, teens will always drive what becomes popular I just think it'll become something else. Hip Hop is flexible, it's something you make fit to you, that's what will keep it alive, hip hop is too easy to get into vs other genres where you'll have to learn how to sing or play an instrument, so it'll always be popular and it just gets the body moving. Hip Hop is already getting like Steam in terms of quality control it'll just be a now optimized hit making machine.
A new music movement will come around and knock Hip Hop off its perch. Just as Hip Hop did to Rock did to Jazz, Blues etc... History repeats.
Damn, actually agree with Ken lol. I dont mind some fun hiphip joints, but when it flooding the industry, it is devaluing the music
a couple comments:
- i like to think of hip-hop in a similar way to metal. metal music is huge worldwide. there's probably the same amount of metal and hip-hop stations on satellite radio. yet, hip-hop most certainly gets played more on other channels in this current moment than metal ever did at its peak. Lil Nas X on country radio rn is an example of the breadth of hip-hop placement on radio. when I consider the popularity of metal, festivals and large package tours come to mind. mostly festivals in Europe. but, here's where i'd introduce a distinction betweem metal and hip-hop that relates to one of Myke's points -- touring. i come from metal and hardcore, but i also consider myself a hip-hop head. i was shocked when i learned about the pervasive issue of buying-on to tours in hip-hop. don't get me wrong, this certainly happens in metal music, but it is not nearly the same. now, i'm not saying this model will go away. what i think is that this style of touring means hip-hop artists are necessarily siloing themselves. you don't seem much crossover between young cats and older cats, except for artists in the underground. i'll point to Hellfyre Club.
watching this video in 2019, my mind goes towards Lil Nas X, Cardi B/Megan Thee Stallion/Rico Nasty/Tierra Whack, and a couple other facets of the mainstream. i think of these artists because that is who i think you would be discussing. yet, as a big time hip-hop fan, i am really thinking of all the shit i listen to the most. RAP Ferreira, Billy Woods, Kay the Aquanaut, Sammus, Elucid. Fake Four adjacent artists. there is a major movement in this underground scene and i can already see its influence appearing in the mainstream. i'd say that in 20 years we will be talking about a group of artists that drove hip-hop in a new direction through the 2020s, just like Freestyle Fellowship spun it in the 90s. im excited and scared to see what the LA Riots of the next hip-hop revolution will be, but i think a flashpoint like that will produce some looting music that reverberates for decades
Probably one of my favorite DEHH discussions.
In 20 years, we will find a few artists and albums that we would consider "classics" like has happened 20 years ago (I would consider Travis Scott's Rodeo being one for trap, and Kendrick Lamar's Good Kidd MAAD City, albums by Kanye, etc. as examples). If you look a little more deeper, there will be some deeper "classics" as well. There will always be revivals, there will always be new sub-genres, there will always be evolution. I would hate to be in a world where music was stagnant. THAT would be the fall of hip-hop if it does stay stagnant. I am sorry but music changes, and if it stayed like it did when it started, it WILL die. So, I personally think this is a good change for hip-hop, it is just different than how it was before.
Also, the mainstream has always had dumb/mediocre music at the current time, and then the classics reveal itself after 10-20 years as the older songs that will be played more often. But there will always be newer music in the fold, and that is okay. It is like some of the studies have said, at around 30, on average, we stop exploring new music and just listen to what we are used to. This is the case, not all but, for many people. You gotta be a little unique to be very open to all kinds of music, old and new. Anyway, there will always be room for stupid and smart music and everything in between. I think it is just amazing now because of how simple music has been nowadays. But at the same time it is also much more complex. Maybe we will see an even bigger divide in the future. The future is uncertain, but no harm in predicting. However, I know one thing, hip-hop isn't going anywhere. It is just changing. Just like how rock has changed, drastically. In a more technological world where things are more synthesized than ever (and like Myke C-town said, the internet changes a LOT, everyone can communicate and pass info so fast now, and everything is everywhere, and kind of changes the meaning of being a local too), the same could happen with hip-hop in some way too. Well, only one way to find out. I am sure whoever is reading this will live to see what will happen in 20 years so we shall wait and see. But for now, keep discussing away!
Talking about potential classics in the future and different sounds , I would ,also add "the money store" by death grips, "tpab" by kendrick, and Atrocity exhibition by Danny brown, and maybe Run the jewels too
You typed all that and said nothing my dude. I'm kinda mad I read all of it
I think Rodeo will a classic in hip-hop in general not just trap, I can see Travis Scott inspiring the next group of young rappers due to his popularity and his sonically pleasing sound.
I think some of what you're saying is super true. A lot of what we see now as trashy, mediocre music will not be remembered. We know of the shitty music from the 80's but no one reps it. Look at groups like LMFAO. They had their moment and now they're fucking gone. I hope and think a lot of this mediocre music that we are railing against will go a similar way and work like Kendrick's Good Kidd MAAD City will rise and stay at the top.
Josh Navarro did you even read the post?
The subgenre of Pop Rap has now become pop. To the point that trap rap went from a form of hardcore hip hop to a form of pop rap.
Hip-Hop is going to be refreshed in the next 20 years. The main problem in Hip-Hop so far is people allowing terrible talents to enter the genre because their desperation for a "different wave". Trippie Red, Lil Uzi Vert and Post Malone are great example of this. Their styles are not Hip-Hop. Their initial focus are in different genres like Punk rock and Country respectfully. But, they all suck at those genres. So, to become big, they had to use Hip-Hop to be recognize towards those genres. Most people hype it up and thinks it's a new wave. It's really stupid these days.
So, essentially they're using Hip Hop as a stepping stone to transition into another genre that they originally wanted? Makes sense when I think about it that way.
I agree that it will be going through a refreshment soon because the overused trap shit and mumble garbage you hear all the time is getting tiring. Glad to see I'm not the only one that feels this way.
@@cold_Lightning9 Yep. It does make great sense. More lyricists are getting some shine and they putting more effort on their music.
You spoke the truth bro
They take barely any influence from punk music, what are you talking about?
Never thought about it this way but I see what you're getting at. In a sense they sort of used hip hop's cool factor to become famous, hop on a trend, then dip out when it's time to cash checks in an area corporate america might say is more acceptable. The barriers to entry in hip hop may be lower to many people, for better or worse.
"They might hold on to that gucci gang forever" (in the background) JESUS CHRIST LMAO
Every decade in hip hop will have its weak years and glory years, let me beak it down in MY opinion, here we go:
1973-1979: The Development
1979-1983: The Classics
1984-1989: The 1st Golden Years
1990-1991: the first commercial/hip hop meets pop years (as mentioned like Hammer, vanilla ice, etc, and the flower/hippie native tounge era which was great!!
Back to Africa/Concious era
1992-1997: The 2nd Golden Years; westcoast/gangsta rap, eastcoast new york strong/underground, real boom bap era
1998-2004: The BLING ERA, beginning of the “end”
2005-2009: The South Takeover; ATL, dance craze nonsense ( aka the lost years)
2010-2014: The 3rd Wave Golden Era; Kendrick, Cole, Krit, etc (lyrics made a comeback)
2015-2019: The 2nd bling/lost era. The Trash years indeed!! All the Lil’s again resurgence of the early-2000s rappers who went by Lil’s, and I refuse to name them cus we all know these lil late-90s/early2000s born brats... unfortunately.
Hope 2020 is the ushering in of a Whoooole new wave. I would love to see it shift back to the 1993-1997 era the era I was first put on too ✌️
great point. People are just going to make music for the money and fame (as of now, its the retweets, the likes on posts). Technology will be augmented in the future so we don’t know what social media will look like
Hip hop won’t die, it could end up becoming an underground genre but it will not being dying any time remotely.
Personally I think it’ll be able to maintain popularity for more years 20, though stylistically it’ll have changed a lot.
Hip hop no longer being mainstream would the best thing for the genre.
*Hip Hop won't die it will create its own sub genres. We already have Mumble Rap & Pop Trap.*
Well twenty years ago from now hip hop was completely different. I think in another twenty years it will be something completely diff again
I don't know if anyone noticed, but the lyrical talent with artists now, are comparable to the lyrical talent to artists back then like Run DMC. It's come full circle. I don't understand how older heads can hate when the bar has been set this low before.
It's hard, but Older people definitely may have a point when referring to some hip-hop albums, but at the same time, it’s standard for the older generation to hate the new generation.
I think Mike has a broader musical pallet with dipping into Rock as well and he sees what can happen to a genre. Rock isn't really at the forefront anymore being taken over by hip-hop. So it goes to show you that popular genres CAN rise and fall. May take a couple decades.
Y’all better make these two regular DEHH members forreal
Man this is gonna be good.
I feel like Hip Hop will continue to grow and have an influence on (and I hate this word because its been overused) the culture but it wont have as big as an impact as it does now. Every genre whether its EDM, House, R&B has it's on time to thrive until something comes and pushes it out of the foreground.
There is definitely a saturation issue in hip hop so eventually it will implode on itself and then it will evolve to survive for another 20+ years. I'm excited to see where this goes tho.
Hip hop is black. Black folks are cool! So unless the media gets uptight n conservative again Hip Hop gone be the face of pop culture. You see we still run basketball! N dat ish aint changing! Imo
So happy we're here! This is an amazing show
I think that hip hop will eventually go back to its roots, boom bap will be popular again for aesthetic reasons. Just like how vinyl sales are still strong to this day. It’ll be like how the fashion industry recycles trends are recycled from older generations and labeled as Vintage.
The culture of hip hop is so beyond dominant that I doubt it can ever go out of style. The culture of sampling records from parent's basements and mixing on turntables because instruments were taken out of schools and the roots of that music further permeated, the political views expressed in songs gave voice and continue to give voices for the voiceless, the slang that becomes so popular that influences the way everyday people talk who would in reality have nothing to do with the music, the endorsements from major companies all over using songs and jingles, the artists that became moguls and cashed out beyond our wildest dreams, the awareness that was brought to issues of poverty, street violence, sexual assault, drug usage and everything else all exist because of this very authentic genre of music. Now the watered down music for the masses doesn't dictate these things but it still deviates from its origins and things are continuing to come full circle. That is what's going to be heightened in 20 years with the usage of technology.
With streaming, sounds and artists dont even get solidified nowadays, we just flip through artists constantly these days and forget about your album in a minute
S/O to Yoh. One of the best young writers. Finally know what he looks like 😂
I’m liking the multicam setup
Hip-hop is arguably the only genre in which underprivileged kids can just start creating. If you're broke and have a story to tell, you're not going to go buy a keyboard or guitar. You can just start writing rhymes. If you have a friend that has a computer, you can put it out. I agree that EDM will continue to become more popular, but without lyrics, many people aren't going to latch on to it.
Everyone will miss music with layers of meaning, something hip-hop does better than pretty much any other genre. Bars won't become outdated because artists' voices will change. The guitar got outdated because everyone got tired of the sound, but with hip-hop, the sound is fluid and rappers with unique voices will continue to rise up.
Myke’s point about finding artists and sitting with these albums is still true to this day despite the Internet sadly. You’d be surprised man, a lot of folk’s library’s are exclusively just mainstream shit and theres nothing wrong with that but if you want a broader range of hip hop you still have to go on social media and youtube to find artists and a lot of dudes aren’t doing that. I’m blessed to fall of fallen down the rabbit hole and get to know some of these artists but I’m not the majority.
To of fallen down****
I just don't want lyricism to die out. I don't care if I don't hear the lyricists on the radio, as long as they just don't stop making music and I can listen to them.