I enjoyed this movie very much. For me Batman and Robin is still the best bat film. Nobody has captured the gritty tone the way Schumacher has and cloony is just so intense.
There was a lot to this movie that I liked and for about the first hour and a half I was pretty much fully onboard but I felt it could’ve definitely benefited from being drastically streamlined. Once it got to the climax it definitely felt like the filmmakers suddenly remembered they were making a big budget superhero movie so felt obligated to crowbar in a big budget Superhero finale with bombs going off and the whole city getting flooded. I actually felt the movie worked best when it was heavily leaning on the whole Se7en/Zodiac vibe and highlighting Batman as a detective, and overall I enjoyed it but there were so many moments throughout the film where certain things just _happen_ that end up having no consequences. Such as the DA’s bomb going off right in Batman’s face and it ultimately having no effect other than knocking him unconscious for a little while. Yeah okay, you can argue that his suit helped shield him, fine, but then straight after he escapes from the police station and uses his wing suit and they deliberately have him crash in a really painful and damaging way, only to then immediately cut to the next scene where he’s meeting Gordon again on top of the building and he’s perfectly fine. Why show him crashing in such a messed up way if you’re not going to actually do anything with that? And then, at the end of the movie they have one of the Riddler’s men shoot the new mayor… but she doesn’t die. Batman shows up seconds later anyway so why not have him prevent her from getting shot rather than make the villains look ineffective by letting them shoot her and it ultimately not mattering. Also, why not just have Alfred die? I thought Andy Serkis was fine in the limited screen time he actually had but again, having a bomb go off in his face and then he's basically fine just makes the stakes feel low and that nothing _really_ matters in this supposedly gritty and realistic take on the Batman.
I love the fact that not everyone likes it. That means it took chances and did something interesting and different. Thank god. Btw I really enjoyed it.
I'm more wondering what the Val Verde fans in Liverpool thought because MAN there's a LOT of Liverpool in this film. (And the Glasgow Necropolis which was pretty cool).
Apart from St George's Hall and the Liver building, they used one shot of the Anfield cemetery entrance. Right after they rode their bikes through that Necropolis in Glasgow.
With all the original films that WB could have made for what this cost, it's impossible to get excited about this... or any new comic book movie, really
The Adam West Batman movie from the 60s man. That films the absolute best of the best. You want an ensemble film with all the BEST villains? And Batman DEFEATS A SHARK?!
It was amazing in theaters. In retrospect, almost 20 years *_(why, god, why?)_* later now from release, Nolan's flaws as a story teller have risen closer to the surface. It's still pretty great, and my favorite of the trilogy, but everyone knows the best Batman _film_ is Mask of the Phantasm.
Like you say, when the glass roof got broken I thought it had to have been either the Mob or Riddler, surely not Batman. Because why would Batman let tons of glass shards fall down to a crowd of people… Oh *cue Batman theme
He needed to distract the snipers long enough to allow people to run and for him to get the jump on them. It's running the risk of people being injured by glass over the certainty of the snipers killing many people-lesser of two evils.
Seen it twice, and enjoyed it both times. I think it’s a good movie, but not a great one, it was missing something, and I couldn’t quite put my finger on what exactly that was (both times). When we compare this movie to most films currently coming out of the Hollywood conveyor belt then it’s a really good movie. If you compare it to other Batman interpretations on film then it’s again very good, but not quite top tier in my opinion. This was a decent review though, and understand the criticism, but ALL movies even from the rose tinted 80’s blockbuster era have loads of plot holes, exposition and/or pacing issues. Nolan’s Batman films were littered with them. I suppose if you come out not liking it you will rip the film apart (to levels that are probably unfair) against if you enjoy it you will be far more forgiving. Things I liked - Batman playing detective (bit inconsistent at times though) the look and feel of the movie (including Gotham generally). Penguin, Gordon, Selina, actually casting in general. The score was really strong and different. The Batman and The Batmobile’s intro’s were excellent (everyone wants to see a cool Batmobile). First 2 thirds where strong generally. Alfred was good (underused) Not so good - Portrayal of BW, I get what they were doing, and I am sure in future instalments he will become more ‘Bruce Wayney’ due to where is characters arc is in this film. Pacing at times poor, too long (last 60mins were not needed and were poorly conceived). Riddler started strong and lost his way. Batman always moving so slowly got tiresome (really picky criticism). Intro of Joker was a eye rolling moment. Solid 7/10 , initially I was a 8/10….
Looool the Andy impression is bloody hilarious 😂 Guys just have a Friday night live stream where we ask Duncan to do impressions. I always have so much fun watching your videos! 😆👍
I feel like I'm in the internet minority thinking this was probably a 4/5. Not to nitpick but the general story beats and comic book adaptation was quite good. Yes the influences to David Fincher Se7en was uber obvious but it didn't bother me other than the fact this was 3 hours; probably unnessecary!
Great review guys. I'm sorry you guys didn't enjoy it. I was apprehensive about checking out The Batman because of the run time but I was hooked in. I thought it was the perfect mix of Burton & Nolan's Batman. A dumb question for both of you: Because both of you know "how the sausage is made" can that be an impediment when watching a flick?
Nice one guys, I thought it was ok, nothing special, though it could've been shortened in length and the first half hour dragged a bit. Also I thought Jefferey Wright was spot on as Commissioner Gordon.
It's not a good movie with several great scenes and good acting. I was torn because there was plenty to like, but it didn't flow and was too long. I am one who thinks in many ways The Dark Knight Rises is the best Nolan Batman film though there are issues with how it flows. There wasn't enough Riddler, but he was amazing when he was onscreen. However, I was hoping he would be more Stoic and in control of his emotions. Also, I'm not sure this film showed the genius of Riddler and the Penguin was nothing like the Penguin. Like I said, I like Nolan's Bane and all his versions of villains, which is very different from the comics and shows. But, the Penguin needed to be more like the Penguin. I'm not looking for webbed feet or anything like that. Just more Penguin. The Batmobile chase was the best Batmobile scenes ever though.
See for me that part of the plot about Thomas Wayne was not that interesting simply because the batman telltale games did that first and they went all in in it, not just "maybe he was connected to falcone" and back then it was an interesting take to me. And yeah I agree with the guys here about the flying rotten, the bat is the first thing that comes into your mind, especially for somebody who is into batman lore
Bet no one expected this film to be mentioned: the script really made me think of 2016’s Ghostbusters in the way that they just did not know when to end a line or cut a line for sake of subtlety. The script to me just comprised of people giving perfunctory descriptions of things we as the audience could see for ourselves and these descriptions were phrased in a way that we’d get the same amount of pleasure from just reading them from the script which is not how scripts work. I honestly expected every scene to just start with someone saying “it’s raining”. Also as much as I appreciate the detective angle, a good detective story should not have the spectator in step with the detective, as in we know exactly what they know and it seems their guess always will be as good as our own, it’s even worse when we’re a few steps ahead of the detective, so much for Batman being the worlds greatest detective
I went to see this with my mate and I loved every part of it, but overall I hated it and my friend felt exactly the opposite, but the same. This was a good review and nice to see you guys back.
Thanks for the review gentlemen. Love the channel. Always love hearing both your thoughts. I am curious though, and I don’t mean this necessarily as a criticism; do you guys have any plans to review films that exist outside of the mainstream? You guys are just so articulate and knowledgeable that I would love to hear your thoughts on films that get less attention than films like ‘The Batman’.
It has a lot of flaws. And I wouldn't say it's one of the best movies ever (which I would consider The Dark Knight to be), but I genuinely thought this was the best live action Batman movie. Just as a Batman film, yes, I thought it managed to be a better one than even TDK. This is exactly the Gotham, exactly the tone I always wanted from a live action Batman movie. I agree that the last act was by far the weakest. And maybe it would've been a better film overall, if it ended after Falcone's death.
I agree that Bruce Wayne doesn't feature much. There's a heck of a lot of Batman, and in previous films people have complained about a lack of Batman. There is one scene where he walks around without a shirt and of course he doesn't have the pumped physique of recent heroes. But of course Keaton wasn't big either. Regarding the Joker, we really didn't need to be introduced to yet another version of that character (yet). Lastly, I too thought of 'bat' straight away with the flying rodent clue thing and was surprised the characters didn't.
I honestly thought Alfred said "stool pigeon" just to throw Bruce off the idea that Thomas Wayne was connected to all of it which in turn made me think that's how Riddler knew Bruce was Batman. THAT would've been more interesting. But no it turns out they had a brain fart. If you asked 10 people what a "flying rat/rodent" was, they'd all say "bat". But yeah, they had that Joker scene for sequel bait -_-
Yeah, I'd rather the 'Joker' was given a rest in the Patterson series [particularly as the Joaquin Phoenix film is getting a sequel]. Batman has such a great 'rouges gallery' and it's better to given some of the others the spotlight [The Riddler and Penguin were good choices for this as they didn't feature in Nolan's series].
How they've introduced Patterson's Batman [active for a while before the movie's events but still growing as a character] is hopefully how they'll go for Bond 26 without having to do another origin story.
7:20 "not again!" lol deep cut reference, Duncan. Good mayyn. I enjoyed it but I don't get why a lot of people on the internet are acting like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
See, I'm much the same. I enjoyed it fine too, but it's not like it's a game changer or anything. I completely get what Duncan and Richard are saying in terms of what issues they had with it (And it did have issues here and there) but I REALLY don't get the backlash of people treating this like the second coming of Jesus ("QUICK! Everybody look busy!") And then getting angry that people don't see it as the greatest work of art of all time. It's just a film. It's there to enjoy.... With a delicious pack of Oreos at your local Café Nero. Still, I absolutely love the visual puns of the film. That it ends in a LITERAL crime wave thanks to RiddlerAnon. It's like how the Dark Knight Rises ends with a reference to Adam Wests Batman. "SOME days you just can't get rid of a bomb!" Also, I bloody KNEW watching this thing that Duncan would be the first to point out the symbolism. I KNEW it! Second Batman falls into the water I was like "... My Duncan Casey senses are tingling".
@@stevena488 Yeah the Oreo sponsoring was a bit weird lol. Duncan pointing out the reason why he keeps a diary was kinda clever and actually true. When I worked as a cleaner for Cleanall years ago, I worked nights and you do start to forget what day it is when you're asleep all day and working all night until the sun starts to rise. I wouldn't be upset if they didn't make a sequel but as we all know, Hollywood loves money. Plus I don't know why everyone is talkin about Colin Farrell. He wasn't in the film but Robert De Niro was great as the Penguin lol
Overall I liked it a lot. Looking forward to seeing more from this Gotham! PROS + superb score + loved the portrayal of Batman + acting great across the board + atmospheric, dark and brooding + exciting action set pieces + Dano is creepy (he's also great in this film ha ha ha) but could have dialled it back in places + I liked the Fincher vibe in the same way that TDK riffed on Mann CONS - meanders between plot lines and feels like a seasons worth of stuff crammed into a standalone film - Catwomans parentage is kinda an unnecessary twist - Alfred is underused and his relationship with Bruce doesn't have much chemistry - lacks an emotional core - Bruce needs to develop more in the sequel, because he's very much a blank slate in this
Agree with all you positives. I would disagree on the Catwoman's parentage isn't necessary. It ties into the 'Sins of the father' idea and Catwoman's story being parallel to Batman's where they reach different conclusions [as shown by the very ending]. I wonder if the lack of 'Bruce' is to try and differentiate this from Nolan's trilogy where his Batman persona was absent from large portions of Begins [as it's an origin story] and Rises rather than a disinterest in him [which Batman Returns suffers from] but I agree they need to beef up his character in the sequel.
Tons of stuff is worth more (if only to you) the less/fewer you have. Food. Money. Days to live. White blood cells. Kidneys. Chances. Friends. Family members. Uh... TVs. Music albums? Pairs of shoes. Pairs. Of. Underwear. It's less a riddle and more of a platitude.
It was a detective movie🤨 did they have to put in a convenient RAMP for the batmobile to jump🥺😅 & introduce the Joker 🃏 yet again ffs. Good movie and ya know what probably the best looking Batman in costume yet🤔🤔 hmmmmm..
I thought it was . . . fine. I weren't bored, I thought all the actors were pretty good. But there's nothing in it that I've not seen before. Not just from a Batman movie either. Even the rats stuff is reminiscent of the Joker. Once it ended, I was left with no desire to ever watch it again. Though I didn't hate it
They didn't like it? I thought it was superb. Finally a genuinely faithful adaptation of Batman that caught both the tone and the characters/story element of Batman. Don't tell me? They're die-hard Nolanites who prefer boring takes on Batman villains, a Gotham that looks like Chicago, and a storyline that tells us how wonderful rich privileged white people are? Anyway, thanks for finally giving me a good reason to unsubscribe. Good luck guys. I don't think the shit opinions and smug white male upper-middle-class privilege (which pretty much sums up the average Nolanite; truth hurts, doesn't it?) will help though.
Ouch. We didn't say anything of the sort and it's supremely arrogant and childish to slap labels on us simply because we don't share your opinions. Whilst we're here; I grew up in a council house on a council estate, went to a state school, was the first in my family to go to university and have no trust fund or inheritance to look forward to. If you're going to spit your dummy out when having a shitfit over a children's character at least get your facts straight. Good riddance, fucking baby. R.
Race has nothing to do with our opinion. If you’re going to bring that to bear in how you address us, please stop, take a breath and consider what you say. Personal attacks about our immutable characteristics and assumed history simply show you up as prejudiced, ignorant and don’t an argument make. We don’t all have to think the way you do. Basically: grow up.
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting "This country...." Nah for real, I find it entertaining that they think you and Duncan are Secret bloody Millionaires. Also that they were dealing with this shit like the film was the Shroud of fucking Turin where they gazed upon Gods fleshy foreskin. And saying you're super rich "racists" when neither of you actively bring political issues or other shit to the channel (Which I thank you guys so much for because you're amongst the few who go "Movie was good/shit." And that's bloody it) Nah, Richard? Duncan? You guys keep doing your thing because you're both awesome.
You're entitled to like what you like. Others not sharing your feelings or opinions on a movie does not give you an excuse to act like a toxic brat who is not able to deal with his emotions.
I enjoyed this movie very much. For me Batman and Robin is still the best bat film. Nobody has captured the gritty tone the way Schumacher has and cloony is just so intense.
There was a lot to this movie that I liked and for about the first hour and a half I was pretty much fully onboard but I felt it could’ve definitely benefited from being drastically streamlined. Once it got to the climax it definitely felt like the filmmakers suddenly remembered they were making a big budget superhero movie so felt obligated to crowbar in a big budget Superhero finale with bombs going off and the whole city getting flooded.
I actually felt the movie worked best when it was heavily leaning on the whole Se7en/Zodiac vibe and highlighting Batman as a detective, and overall I enjoyed it but there were so many moments throughout the film where certain things just _happen_ that end up having no consequences. Such as the DA’s bomb going off right in Batman’s face and it ultimately having no effect other than knocking him unconscious for a little while. Yeah okay, you can argue that his suit helped shield him, fine, but then straight after he escapes from the police station and uses his wing suit and they deliberately have him crash in a really painful and damaging way, only to then immediately cut to the next scene where he’s meeting Gordon again on top of the building and he’s perfectly fine. Why show him crashing in such a messed up way if you’re not going to actually do anything with that?
And then, at the end of the movie they have one of the Riddler’s men shoot the new mayor… but she doesn’t die. Batman shows up seconds later anyway so why not have him prevent her from getting shot rather than make the villains look ineffective by letting them shoot her and it ultimately not mattering.
Also, why not just have Alfred die? I thought Andy Serkis was fine in the limited screen time he actually had but again, having a bomb go off in his face and then he's basically fine just makes the stakes feel low and that nothing _really_ matters in this supposedly gritty and realistic take on the Batman.
Duncan's impressions roster just got a new addition lol! "He was a good maynnne"
HE DONE A THING BUT HE DIDNT DONE A THING, D’YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN??
I see Duncan has gone for the Tom Cruise theatrical poster pose.
I love the fact that not everyone likes it. That means it took chances and did something interesting and different. Thank god. Btw I really enjoyed it.
#DuncanCaseyForBatman
Yes, I thought it drooped in the middle but overall I really enjoyed it.
The arkhamverse put to screen
♥️
"He literally has a baptism."
Are you sure it wasn't a Bat Mitzvah?
Pahahahhaha! You win a fiver for that one! 🤣
R
I'm more wondering what the Val Verde fans in Liverpool thought because MAN there's a LOT of Liverpool in this film. (And the Glasgow Necropolis which was pretty cool).
Apart from St George's Hall and the Liver building, they used one shot of the Anfield cemetery entrance. Right after they rode their bikes through that Necropolis in Glasgow.
What did Winston, the official Val Verde dog, think? 🤔🤔🤔
Official Val Verde dog, and Minister of Finance... unfortunately...
He doesn't like cats.
I believe he considers it a bit ruff
Yes, but I want to know what Jordan thinks.
Thank you guys.
Youre amazing.
With all the original films that WB could have made for what this cost, it's impossible to get excited about this... or any new comic book movie, really
WB did fund 'The Nice Guys' which bombed. Franchises are dominant at the minute.
@@jamesatkinsonja oh, I know, and understand. It's just a sad state of affairs
The only review that matters. Never change guys!
Batman begins is still the best Batman film.
The Dark Knight just edges Begins out for me but I love both films.
@@jamesatkinsonja agreed but love them both!
The Adam West Batman movie from the 60s man. That films the absolute best of the best. You want an ensemble film with all the BEST villains? And Batman DEFEATS A SHARK?!
Agreed
It was amazing in theaters. In retrospect, almost 20 years *_(why, god, why?)_* later now from release, Nolan's flaws as a story teller have risen closer to the surface. It's still pretty great, and my favorite of the trilogy, but everyone knows the best Batman _film_ is Mask of the Phantasm.
Like you say, when the glass roof got broken I thought it had to have been either the Mob or Riddler, surely not Batman. Because why would Batman let tons of glass shards fall down to a crowd of people…
Oh
*cue Batman theme
He needed to distract the snipers long enough to allow people to run and for him to get the jump on them. It's running the risk of people being injured by glass over the certainty of the snipers killing many people-lesser of two evils.
I'll try to keep an open perineum when I watch "An Batmayyyne"
Nice to have you back, boys. "Geezers and chips!"
next time on the Batman...we see a green hooded figure appear in Gotham with a bow and arrow. Who could it be?🤣🤣👍 also it's actually set in a village.
Seen it twice, and enjoyed it both times. I think it’s a good movie, but not a great one, it was missing something, and I couldn’t quite put my finger on what exactly that was (both times). When we compare this movie to most films currently coming out of the Hollywood conveyor belt then it’s a really good movie. If you compare it to other Batman interpretations on film then it’s again very good, but not quite top tier in my opinion.
This was a decent review though, and understand the criticism, but ALL movies even from the rose tinted 80’s blockbuster era have loads of plot holes, exposition and/or pacing issues. Nolan’s Batman films were littered with them. I suppose if you come out not liking it you will rip the film apart (to levels that are probably unfair) against if you enjoy it you will be far more forgiving.
Things I liked - Batman playing detective (bit inconsistent at times though) the look and feel of the movie (including Gotham generally). Penguin, Gordon, Selina, actually casting in general. The score was really strong and different. The Batman and The Batmobile’s intro’s were excellent (everyone wants to see a cool Batmobile). First 2 thirds where strong generally. Alfred was good (underused)
Not so good - Portrayal of BW, I get what they were doing, and I am sure in future instalments he will become more ‘Bruce Wayney’ due to where is characters arc is in this film. Pacing at times poor, too long (last 60mins were not needed and were poorly conceived). Riddler started strong and lost his way. Batman always moving so slowly got tiresome (really picky criticism). Intro of Joker was a eye rolling moment.
Solid 7/10 , initially I was a 8/10….
Batman... can someone tell me what kind of world we live in where a man dressed up as a bat steals all my press
“Av a bananaaaa!!”
😂😂😂😂😂😂
14:10 fuckin hell 😅😅😅
Looool the Andy impression is bloody hilarious 😂
Guys just have a Friday night live stream where we ask Duncan to do impressions.
I always have so much fun watching your videos! 😆👍
I feel like I'm in the internet minority thinking this was probably a 4/5. Not to nitpick but the general story beats and comic book adaptation was quite good. Yes the influences to David Fincher Se7en was uber obvious but it didn't bother me other than the fact this was 3 hours; probably unnessecary!
Man I loved this movie lol, not perfect no movie is but I thought it was a love letter to Batman.
That Alfred impression was brilliant 🤣🤣🤣👍
Sounds like Phil Mitchell.
Great review guys. I'm sorry you guys didn't enjoy it. I was apprehensive about checking out The Batman because of the run time but I was hooked in. I thought it was the perfect mix of Burton & Nolan's Batman. A dumb question for both of you: Because both of you know "how the sausage is made" can that be an impediment when watching a flick?
Nice one guys, I thought it was ok, nothing special, though it could've been shortened in length and the first half hour dragged a bit. Also I thought Jefferey Wright was spot on as Commissioner Gordon.
It's not a good movie with several great scenes and good acting. I was torn because there was plenty to like, but it didn't flow and was too long. I am one who thinks in many ways The Dark Knight Rises is the best Nolan Batman film though there are issues with how it flows. There wasn't enough Riddler, but he was amazing when he was onscreen. However, I was hoping he would be more Stoic and in control of his emotions. Also, I'm not sure this film showed the genius of Riddler and the Penguin was nothing like the Penguin. Like I said, I like Nolan's Bane and all his versions of villains, which is very different from the comics and shows. But, the Penguin needed to be more like the Penguin. I'm not looking for webbed feet or anything like that. Just more Penguin. The Batmobile chase was the best Batmobile scenes ever though.
See for me that part of the plot about Thomas Wayne was not that interesting simply because the batman telltale games did that first and they went all in in it, not just "maybe he was connected to falcone" and back then it was an interesting take to me.
And yeah I agree with the guys here about the flying rotten, the bat is the first thing that comes into your mind, especially for somebody who is into batman lore
Bet no one expected this film to be mentioned: the script really made me think of 2016’s Ghostbusters in the way that they just did not know when to end a line or cut a line for sake of subtlety. The script to me just comprised of people giving perfunctory descriptions of things we as the audience could see for ourselves and these descriptions were phrased in a way that we’d get the same amount of pleasure from just reading them from the script which is not how scripts work. I honestly expected every scene to just start with someone saying “it’s raining”. Also as much as I appreciate the detective angle, a good detective story should not have the spectator in step with the detective, as in we know exactly what they know and it seems their guess always will be as good as our own, it’s even worse when we’re a few steps ahead of the detective, so much for Batman being the worlds greatest detective
I went to see this with my mate and I loved every part of it, but overall I hated it and my friend felt exactly the opposite, but the same.
This was a good review and nice to see you guys back.
Thanks for the review gentlemen. Love the channel. Always love hearing both your thoughts. I am curious though, and I don’t mean this necessarily as a criticism; do you guys have any plans to review films that exist outside of the mainstream? You guys are just so articulate and knowledgeable that I would love to hear your thoughts on films that get less attention than films like ‘The Batman’.
It has a lot of flaws. And I wouldn't say it's one of the best movies ever (which I would consider The Dark Knight to be), but I genuinely thought this was the best live action Batman movie. Just as a Batman film, yes, I thought it managed to be a better one than even TDK. This is exactly the Gotham, exactly the tone I always wanted from a live action Batman movie. I agree that the last act was by far the weakest. And maybe it would've been a better film overall, if it ended after Falcone's death.
I lost my shit at that Andy Serkis impression. Wonderful.
I agree that Bruce Wayne doesn't feature much. There's a heck of a lot of Batman, and in previous films people have complained about a lack of Batman.
There is one scene where he walks around without a shirt and of course he doesn't have the pumped physique of recent heroes. But of course Keaton wasn't big either.
Regarding the Joker, we really didn't need to be introduced to yet another version of that character (yet).
Lastly, I too thought of 'bat' straight away with the flying rodent clue thing and was surprised the characters didn't.
I honestly thought Alfred said "stool pigeon" just to throw Bruce off the idea that Thomas Wayne was connected to all of it which in turn made me think that's how Riddler knew Bruce was Batman. THAT would've been more interesting. But no it turns out they had a brain fart. If you asked 10 people what a "flying rat/rodent" was, they'd all say "bat". But yeah, they had that Joker scene for sequel bait -_-
Yeah, I'd rather the 'Joker' was given a rest in the Patterson series [particularly as the Joaquin Phoenix film is getting a sequel]. Batman has such a great 'rouges gallery' and it's better to given some of the others the spotlight [The Riddler and Penguin were good choices for this as they didn't feature in Nolan's series].
I was shocked how much I loved this movie
How they've introduced Patterson's Batman [active for a while before the movie's events but still growing as a character] is hopefully how they'll go for Bond 26 without having to do another origin story.
7:20
"not again!" lol deep cut reference, Duncan. Good mayyn.
I enjoyed it but I don't get why a lot of people on the internet are acting like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
See, I'm much the same. I enjoyed it fine too, but it's not like it's a game changer or anything. I completely get what Duncan and Richard are saying in terms of what issues they had with it (And it did have issues here and there) but I REALLY don't get the backlash of people treating this like the second coming of Jesus ("QUICK! Everybody look busy!") And then getting angry that people don't see it as the greatest work of art of all time. It's just a film. It's there to enjoy.... With a delicious pack of Oreos at your local Café Nero.
Still, I absolutely love the visual puns of the film. That it ends in a LITERAL crime wave thanks to RiddlerAnon. It's like how the Dark Knight Rises ends with a reference to Adam Wests Batman. "SOME days you just can't get rid of a bomb!"
Also, I bloody KNEW watching this thing that Duncan would be the first to point out the symbolism. I KNEW it! Second Batman falls into the water I was like "... My Duncan Casey senses are tingling".
@@stevena488 Yeah the Oreo sponsoring was a bit weird lol. Duncan pointing out the reason why he keeps a diary was kinda clever and actually true. When I worked as a cleaner for Cleanall years ago, I worked nights and you do start to forget what day it is when you're asleep all day and working all night until the sun starts to rise. I wouldn't be upset if they didn't make a sequel but as we all know, Hollywood loves money. Plus I don't know why everyone is talkin about Colin Farrell. He wasn't in the film but Robert De Niro was great as the Penguin lol
@@MrHEC381991 Bobby De Niro as Jake La Motta in his fat phase. Kept watching it thinking Penguin was going to start talking about his stand up career.
@@stevena488 I was thinking more like when De Niro played Al Capone.
‘Geezer and Chips’ starring Craig Fairbrass and Tamer Hassan.
Overall I liked it a lot. Looking forward to seeing more from this Gotham!
PROS
+ superb score
+ loved the portrayal of Batman
+ acting great across the board
+ atmospheric, dark and brooding
+ exciting action set pieces
+ Dano is creepy (he's also great in this film ha ha ha) but could have dialled it back in places
+ I liked the Fincher vibe in the same way that TDK riffed on Mann
CONS
- meanders between plot lines and feels like a seasons worth of stuff crammed into a standalone film
- Catwomans parentage is kinda an unnecessary twist
- Alfred is underused and his relationship with Bruce doesn't have much chemistry
- lacks an emotional core
- Bruce needs to develop more in the sequel, because he's very much a blank slate in this
Agree with all you positives.
I would disagree on the Catwoman's parentage isn't necessary. It ties into the 'Sins of the father' idea and Catwoman's story being parallel to Batman's where they reach different conclusions [as shown by the very ending].
I wonder if the lack of 'Bruce' is to try and differentiate this from Nolan's trilogy where his Batman persona was absent from large portions of Begins [as it's an origin story] and Rises rather than a disinterest in him [which Batman Returns suffers from] but I agree they need to beef up his character in the sequel.
I was bored shitless
It has good moments but its about 8 hours too long
Tons of stuff is worth more (if only to you) the less/fewer you have.
Food.
Money.
Days to live.
White blood cells.
Kidneys.
Chances.
Friends.
Family members.
Uh... TVs.
Music albums?
Pairs of shoes.
Pairs. Of. Underwear.
It's less a riddle and more of a platitude.
Never mind Falcone, how come no-one in this film can say Carmine?
With you 100% on this, I do not understand why so many people think this is a masterpiece, it’s a real emperors new clothes situation
2 years on and the obscene fan wanking for this film still won't let up, it's like the second coming of christ for the "film bro" community.
Serkis mentioned Circus in it hehehehehe
Spot on review! Ive been completely baffled by the glowing reviews elsewhere!
It was a detective movie🤨 did they have to put in a convenient RAMP for the batmobile to jump🥺😅 & introduce the Joker 🃏 yet again ffs. Good movie and ya know what probably the best looking Batman in costume yet🤔🤔 hmmmmm..
I'm pretty sure the answers helicopter.
Richard it's not trying to be realistic
It's okay. Nolan still holds the title
The Batman was boring!
I thought it was . . . fine. I weren't bored, I thought all the actors were pretty good. But there's nothing in it that I've not seen before. Not just from a Batman movie either. Even the rats stuff is reminiscent of the Joker. Once it ended, I was left with no desire to ever watch it again. Though I didn't hate it
You guys are hard to please
They completely miscast Gordon and Catwoman.
😂😂😂
No
Really? Why?
@@Thewingkongexchange Guess they both had too much pigment for Delta Assault's liking.
They didn't like it? I thought it was superb. Finally a genuinely faithful adaptation of Batman that caught both the tone and the characters/story element of Batman. Don't tell me? They're die-hard Nolanites who prefer boring takes on Batman villains, a Gotham that looks like Chicago, and a storyline that tells us how wonderful rich privileged white people are?
Anyway, thanks for finally giving me a good reason to unsubscribe. Good luck guys. I don't think the shit opinions and smug white male upper-middle-class privilege (which pretty much sums up the average Nolanite; truth hurts, doesn't it?) will help though.
Ouch. We didn't say anything of the sort and it's supremely arrogant and childish to slap labels on us simply because we don't share your opinions.
Whilst we're here; I grew up in a council house on a council estate, went to a state school, was the first in my family to go to university and have no trust fund or inheritance to look forward to. If you're going to spit your dummy out when having a shitfit over a children's character at least get your facts straight.
Good riddance, fucking baby.
R.
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting Well said mate.
Race has nothing to do with our opinion. If you’re going to bring that to bear in how you address us, please stop, take a breath and consider what you say. Personal attacks about our immutable characteristics and assumed history simply show you up as prejudiced, ignorant and don’t an argument make. We don’t all have to think the way you do. Basically: grow up.
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting "This country...."
Nah for real, I find it entertaining that they think you and Duncan are Secret bloody Millionaires. Also that they were dealing with this shit like the film was the Shroud of fucking Turin where they gazed upon Gods fleshy foreskin. And saying you're super rich "racists" when neither of you actively bring political issues or other shit to the channel (Which I thank you guys so much for because you're amongst the few who go "Movie was good/shit." And that's bloody it)
Nah, Richard? Duncan? You guys keep doing your thing because you're both awesome.
You're entitled to like what you like. Others not sharing your feelings or opinions on a movie does not give you an excuse to act like a toxic brat who is not able to deal with his emotions.