Well, the "glued" cpus were pretty bad. The 5800, 7800, 9800 and x3d variants etc are all excellent - but they are 8 core cpu's not 4+4 like the underperforming "glued" 3000-gen had. The newer "glued" 5-7000 series 8+4 and 8+8 cpu's have had a fair amount of issues with cache (the 9000-series finally fixes this with cache for all clusters so the >8 core cpu's will likely be problem-free from now on). So the tables turned, but the other way from how you think :)
Glue logic is circuitry that connects two integrated circuits. You're too ignorant to know that, so you assume it's a "slam". I'm not sure how 240 people equally as ignorant gathered in one place.
you know what's even funnier??? Back in 2005, AMD released the Athlon 64 X2 CPU, a true dual core design. Intel, with it Core 2 processor still a year away, had nothing to offer, so what did they do??? The "GLUED" 2 Intel Pentium 4 Dies onto a single substrate and called it the Pentium D. Then when AMD was gearing up for Quad Core processors, Intel again had nothing for that, so what did they do??? "GLUED" 2 Core 2 Duo CPU's onto a single substrate and called it the Core 2 Quad. Intel had been "GLUING" CPU's together long before AMD gave us Ryzen, but Intel likes to not talk about their hypocrisy, especially their fangirls
I mean, GN is the only channel I really watch for reviews and comparisons, they're the best in my opinion, the other tech channels I follow, is just for fun.
I like J. GN comes off as extremely smuggish. Iv definately had my own discrepancies with their "accurate" benchmarks. At least if J is wrong hes humble about it. GN went out of there way to try and smear LTT. For what? Just to be dicks.
I'm less excited about that one, tbh. But I'm just that kinda fella that likes his gaming CPUs to be scheduled correctly in Windows. Everything above the _800X3D in past gens seems to struggle and it's never been a major uplift. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. It would mean that AMD finally figured out a decent solution to the problem.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 I'm not having any problems with scheduling in Windows 11 with the 7950X3D, Updates do happen. Also anyone buying a 7950X3D probably isn't gaming.
@@Orginal_Sinner I have a 5900x too, and besides the performance being amazing, its caused so many headaches with weird temps and updates and compatibility issues. Definitely going to get the 9800X3D
@@space.raider.2271 same here. Got all the parts on the way, and waiting for tomorrow. Intel has just dropped the ball, and this is a no brainer for me coming from a 9700k
@@mikecheckmike i had an 9900k that unfortunately it broke so had to downgrade to an 9600k as it was an outdated soc, been waiting for an good upgrade and this looks very promising to get
The need for core parking is a windows issue. Windows tries to load balance light loads across all the cores in a way that only makes sense for monolithic CPUs. The idea is to spread heat and wear evenly.
Thank AMD for clockspeed stability and bypass of the terrible IO die. 5800X3D was heavily flawed due to clockspeed jitter (still better than base Zen 3 but worse than DDR5 Alder Lake), the 7800X3D a huge improvement by higher stable clocks (still jittery at times but way better), the 9800X3D is just higher clocks in general.
FPS gaming especially demands high frame rates, but the 0.1% and 1% lows are much more important than the average FPS. Fluidity and stable gaming are what you feel with good 0.1% lows, not the averages.
@@MrSatnavatronexcept your top end am4 system cant run at 5.5 ghz and you also dont get ddr5 meaning alot of your performance is just lacking compared to next gen
That'll be an amazing upgrade for you. I still have my 13700 so i'll wait at least a year or two before upgrading. My 4090 will go several years if it lasts that long
@@brtcobrathreadrippers smash Intel at enthusiast side and 9950x is barely 5% +/- than 285k. Except quicksync Intel doesn't really have big stand out feature. Maybe the npu is useful but a decent dgpu is still better for ai tasks.
I am really looking forward to the big X3D CPUs like you. I do imaging work, CAD/CAM, and gaming. I put it all into one box these days because I've moved to a smaller home, reducing my footprint in computers from 8 desks to 3. Some of that has to be dedicated to older systems supporting old work that's still active, so the remaining space has to be a "Do it all" personal system. I want to see the 9950X3D with dual X3D cache dies and running cooler just like this 9800X3D! Hopefully AMD is listening, and stocking up good chips before the release of the 9900X3D and 9950X3D even now toward a before the end of the year launch date!
I'm getting ready to build (or have built for me) my final gaming computer after the first of the year (I'm 72 ). It looks like the 9900x3d may be my first AMD processor since the K7. Thanks for the info, Jay!
@@rodneyp9590exactly, in real world scenarios (for me that is on 1440p175 ultrawide or 4k120 screens) you won't See mich difference. If you're into competitive games like valorant, overwatch or any moba i reckon you'd see decent improvements.
Right im on 5700x3D and this look nice but shoot I spent so much money just upgrading to this from my 3600/2060S to an 5700x3D/4080S and I got an oled 4k monitor now to like my pockets are saying ENOUGH😭 I raise the flag im still able to game maxed out at and enjoyable rate at this point It just a pixel chase and at the cost I can’t justify atm but definitely didn’t disappointed!
@@MrAnimescrazy thanks bro it took over 5 years to get here! I’m definitely greatful and surprises me how many people don’t also appreciate the current tech at Our disposal these stuff are powerful!
@@Brxndz_ Yeap! Once you on 4k you’re pretty much gpu bound so at 4k you be at like 6% bottleneck which is more than fine! You’ll still be using about 94% of ur gpu you’ll still see a small uplift if you go 5800x3D or 5700x3D to get that close to zero but honestly ur just fine NICE 4090! Especially having one in the current state is pretty sweet! lol If I could of afford the diff I would of but an 4090 is a different beast! I play everything pretty much maxed out at 4k don’t see any current games go below 60 once with dlss and frame gen is on but with you’re card you can pretty much run just about any game native and get close to 60 fps no matter the title so you’re pretty comfortable on average got be in the 90-180 fps range if you talking those easy to run shooters you gotta be flying colors cause I play OW2 max out on my 4k panel at 240hz so pretty much you’re gpu will be still a valuable player for at least a min of 8 years but can go way longer congrats on the purchase dude!
Thermals. Pure and simple... brought myself a 7600x when it was first released out of desperation since my old PC was struggling with everything, thought to myself i don't need a 7800x3d. Recently been having trouble with heat, checked out making sure thermal paste was good... my AIO fans were still working and cooling. Knew this was a few weeks away and decided then and there if they show to run cooler i would be getting one asap. Watching multiple reviewers all saying it's running cooler than all the other CPU's has concreted my decision.
Not ! Run the tests in 1440P and 4K and its a much tighter comparison. This chip is only good for one thing and its not even that good. Dont believe everything you hear from these tech heads because they dont always tell the truth.
I was hoping reviewers wouldn't miss the fact that the MSRP is basically what the street price of the 7800X3D was selling for. Yes it's slightly higher MSRP and we would all like cheaper, but it is what pepole have shown they are willing to pay. I wonder if more than Jay wil point this out in the reviews?
Coming from a 5600x3D on my gaming rig, having a 5900X for my workstation, getting an ASRock X870 Pro RS WiFi for $129 on a price glitch at Micro Center and having no CPU in it, I am excited.
The deal was the 2nd week that the X870 motherboards were out on the market. They just got it in and it was supposed to be listed at $209 but for some reason it was $129. I took a detour to the store and got it. Not even the employees working knew if it was a quick sale or a glitch. All motherboards are listed online that are in stock for your store only but you have to buy in store.
Step 1: Pre-order 9800x3d, if can’t see step 3 Step 2: Buy AMD stock Step 3: Get a$$ outta bed early Nov 7th and go to store or online and get 9800x3d Step 4: Build PC / install new cpu. Step 5: Watch as both the stock prices and your gaming performance rise. Step 6: once the next set of top tier Ryzen come out with proper X3d and dominate Intel in every chart, stock should rocket up. Sell stock and use profit to fund new rtx5090. Step 7: install 5090 and start laughing at the ridiculous benchmarks.
After 20 years of using Intel going to be a first time user of AMD. Honestly little scared since never used AMD cpu. Hopefully I will get my hands on 9800x3d soon since other parts are on order.
Nothing to be afraid of. I don't know why people say that. It's a x86/64 cpu, not like going to RISC and an entirely different OS. You don't need to recompile the kernel, you don't need to rewrite any code. You reinstall Windows and play your games. That's it, not rocket science
I made the swap back in May, and honestly, AMD is so much better, and the transition was flawless. And I didn't even get a 'fancy' chip (tho I wish now I had just because I do get a bit of a bottle neck on the CPU in some games with what I went with)
8:16 FYI Jay/Phil when you redo your stuff, that highlight needs to go all the way to the end especially when looking at comparing the numbers, makes it easier for the audience at a glance, the fade off is too early
About what I expected. Great upgrade from a non-X3D 7th gen or even more so from a AM4 CPU or Intel 10th/11th/12th gen. Obviously people with a 7800X3D shouldn't get it.
depend, the average fps slide show 100 fps gain out of 450 fps, meaning, about 20 to 25% gain, so the price to performance kinda make sense even if the true pricing of the 7800x3d was around 350 sooner this year. (minute 13:25)
Great review guys. I'm with you on the 9950X3D, I'm really excited and hopeful for it, because I really do make great use of my 7950X3D and it would be really nice to not be dependent on any software any longer for gaming perf. Although I've mostly had zero issues with games sticking on the correct CCD and working perfectly. That reminds me, it's nice to see that you guys didn't fudge the data on the dual CCD X3D parts, which seems all too common now days; multiple other reviewers did and had them (7950X3D/7900X3D) running about as fast as a 5600X/5700X in gaming. And left the data in their charts.
One has to wonder how long it's going to be before these software companies start utilizing large cache system that these architectures are starting to utilize.
They literally do you get about 5-10% higher productivity ipc with vcache. Its just that games are extremely latemcy bound while productivity is normally bound by the compute power of the core itself once again though make no mistake, VCACHE DOES HELP IN PRODUCTIVITY.
@@Frozoken It depends on which kind of productivity. If I remember correctly, fluid dynamics simulations heavily profited from the cache on the 5800X3D, so I wonder what kind of performance jumps the 9800X3D can achieve there with higher clocks and big cache.
When you write performance software you try and use tight code and data blocks that fit into L1 caches. Deliberately using super-sized stuff just to use more cache is called software bloat. Cache is a CPU feature that mitigates the relatively slow access to memory.
@@RobBCactive I understand what cache is. But just like game developers working to utilize more than one core/thread on multi-core CPU's, it's time for companies to try and utilize the full range of cache memory that's available.
eh, I built a 7800X3D system before the 9800X3D was announced. spent $400 on the 7800X3D. and I de-lidded it. I had no reason to upgrade, i run a 1440p ultrawide, I probably wouldn't see much of a boost.
you wont at 1440p the results are almost identical. and even at 1080p the gains arent that crazy prob 8-10% improvement on average, the 7800x3d will still eat up games for years to come.
This is (almost) perfect timing for me for this to release! I'm in the process of researching parts for my next build, which I'm expecting to pull the trigger on in about a month or 2. My list currently includes the 7800x3d, but I REALLY wanted the 9800x3d!. This will allow some time for any shortcomings to become public for this CPU. And of course, some time for the price to become a bit more stable
Just ordered new Parts for my first Am5 build! In my am4 i already had a 7900xtx red devil paired with a 5800x3d, 3600mhz Now i ordered, h9 flow case, 9 Lian Li inf fans v2, 6000mhz Trident z Neo 64gb ram And i am waiting to finally order my 9800x3d to finally Start my PC build! I already had my parts at home for almost 5 days while having vacation. I am So impatient, it drives my nuts 😂
9900x3d probably won't be too exciting, they should drop it altogether really. It drops 2 x3d cores so the much like the last gen it'll probably run slower than the 9800x3d in games but be a little better in productivity. The 9950x3d I'll bet will match or excede the 9800x3d in games and crush it in productivity.
Honestly those aren’t worth it lol, just get the standard variant 9900x or 9950x for content creation/workflow. If I had to guess they will be a repeat of the 7950x3d
@@itsprod.472People don't seem to get that others exist that play games that very much like the cache on top of having uses for the extra threads. It's irrelevant that the 8-core is faster just for games, when the 16 is getting you most of the way there on top of being better for many other things.
This look nice but man I just spent a good bit just upgrading my am4 rig 😭 so I’ll just admire from the sidelines im coming from an 3600/2060S so an 5700x3D/4080S is honestly still a beast playing everything 4k max out can’t complain! Cant wait to see what Nvidia cooking up now!
I’m not super into keeping up with the latest/upcoming CPU’s. I just knew I didn’t want to roll the RMA dice with a 14th gen Intel. A few weeks ago I bought a 7950X3D for a hybrid gaming/work/streaming PC and just found out about the new AM5’s launching. I was worried I made a mistake. This video made me feel a lot better about the 7950X3D. With it not being a dedicated gaming machine, I think the 7950X3D is a great compromise for hybrid use. It holds its own with multicore workloads. And even if it’s not the absolute king of the gaming benchmarks, it still holds its own there, too.
19:20 Actually, if you count the downward spikes, the 7800X3D completed 13 tests, while the 9800X3D completed 18 tests. The intervals for the 7800X3D _do_ get longer in that middle interruption there, so it's fair to say it would have completed 14 tests vs the 9800X3D's 18.
Not comparing to 5800x3d feels like a miss to me. A lot of us are still on am4, would have loved tk get direct comparison instead needing to now find a 5800x3d to 7800x3d comparison and then come back tl this video.
You don't need that. They still kick so much ass it's hilarious and they'll keep doing so for years. For $199 the 5700X3D is the deal of the decade for anyone still rocking an early gen Ryzen rig.
OK, here’s my problem with Intel. Nothing against the company itself, but I would like to have an ecosystem to a certain degree because Intel uses AMD’s X 86 architecture.
I REALLY wish reviewers would also include real world scenarios. What difference does it make at 4K ultra settings? Compared to the 7800x3D and the competition? I get the test and its purpose but I couldn’t give a shit how many frames I’m getting at 1080p medium.
Because if you cared, you'd already know that there hasn't been a cpu in a decade with meaningful difference at 4k. Also it's not just the frames, sim times are on the graphs for Stellaris. Other sim games will show similar sim time benefits.
I'm in the "I need a gaming/workstation CPU" so the 9950X3D is looking like it'll be the go to. BUT the leaked(?) Threadripper X3D has me more excited. CCs, streamers (and me) could really benefit from a "9960X3D" that has more PCIe lanes for things like running a second GPU and Capture Card(s) or something else, with fully populated SSD slots at the same time with no compromises.
AMD claims that 9000 series supports up to 8000MT/s. However you have to switch the IMC to 1:2 mode, which introduces additional latency. Better to stick with the sweet spot, low latency DDR5-6000 RAM, maybe 6200-6400, as the IMC can run with a 1:1 ratio to the RAM. Similar performance to 8000 RAM, but much less expensive.
Looks great but I'm already running a 9-7950X3D and it easily handles everything I can throw at it and stays cool. No need to upgrade for a long time. The future looks awesome. 🤑
Amazing video. Wow, really a good cpu from AMD. I'm still using a Core i7 4790K and i usually play old games in 4K. The most current game i played is Doom Eternal. I haven't played any other recent games. And i don't plan to upgrade anytime soon. I'm waiting for Intel to get it's shit together. :D I'm more curious about 2027, 2028 when Intel is supposedly make a great chip. I'll wait and see, meanwhile i won't be playing current games, new games, so my old and trusty Core i7 4790K will be sufficient for me. I will consider upgrading starting 2027 and onwards. Thank you for the amazing video JayzTwoCents. Always quality content, keep up the good job man.
As you talked about the poor design of the 3D cache from a heat transfer perspective, I wondered yet again if anyone has explored a design that would allow cooling the CPU from BOTH sides rather than just the “top.” There are challenges but sandwiching the CPU and socket between two cooling systems would be a giant leap forward.
Can't wait to build my PC in a few months after having to resort to laptops for 6 years. Using this CPU. There is something profoundly comforting about building your instrument of escapism, making it your own, exactly the way you want it.
There is almost no performance increase from the 5800X3D to 9800X3D for 1440p High / RT games according to LTT's benchmarks. So, unless you are gaming at 1080p low, consider saving your money!
I am quite excited to see the 9950X3D results, my 7950X3D is a beast and I already have it overclocked (Linux is saying it's max is now 5.9ghz..lol), really want to see how they compare.
gamers are complacent jay....every channel talking about 9800x3d and all have in common...they all running 1080p while performing worst in 4k....and 1440p that is where majority folks have 2k monitors . 1080p is for handhelds...why would anyone testing this on 4090 on handheld resolution...for computer 3k vs handheld like nintendo switch cost $299
That’s done intentionally so it is a test more of the cpu than the gpu. Using higher resolutions puts more load on the gpu. Using lower resolutions makes the gpu sit twiddling its thumbs waiting on the cpu so you get a better idea of what the cpu can do.
@saiyan2706 The point is to test the CPU performance, 1080p will remove the GPU bound. It's a video about CPU review. If they do it in 4K res all CPU with same price / class performace will have the same max fps because 4K is GPU bound. Next time when 5090 comes out, people will test it at 4K to see it's relative performance to 4090. Higher resolution = for testing GPU's performance, GPU reviews. 1080p = for testing CPU's performance, CPU reviews.
Those deciding between 9800X3D and 9950X3D take note that most games are written with the console architecture in mind i.e 8 core 16 thread. Its rare that you'll need more than that (for games) and frequency will be more important than core count as game cpu workloads are inherently serial (certain tasks can be broken out onto multiple threads though). If you do productivity stuff as well then it sounds like the 9950X3D is a good option otherwise the 9800X3D will be best.
9950X3D All-Core Productivity/MultiThread Estimate: Take 7800X3D vs 7950X3D difference, apply to 9800X3D A real 9950X3D could perform better or worse. It could perform better if we get dual X3D CCDs It could perform better if core scheduling is fixed VS 7950X3D It could perform worse if there is a power limit threshold being hit that the 7950X3D stays below Of course there could be other X factors. Anyhow, this is a very crude basic estimate: Cinebench R24 Multi: 7950X3D 2023 / 7800X3D 1088 = 1.86X 9800X3D 1346 X 1.86 = 2503 Estimated 9950X3D Result: 2503 4.7% below 285K +8400 CUDIMM +OC 0.6% below 285K +8400 CUDIMM Beats 285K, 9950X, Raptor Lake Cinebench R23 Multi: 7950X3D 35235 / 7800X3D 18055 = 1.95 X 9800X3D 22986 X 1.95 = 44858 Estimated 9950X3D Result: 44858 Beats 285K (All Modes), 9950X, Raptor Lake Blender CPU: Monster 7950X3D 234.1 / 7800X3D 118.4 = 1.98 X 9800X3D 146.13 X 1.98 = 288.9 Estimated 9950X3D Result: 288.9 Beats 285K (All Modes), 9950X, Raptor Lake Blender CPU: Junk Shop 7950X3D 166.72 / 7800X3D 83.16 = 2.00 X 9800X3D 103.73 X 2.00 = 207.96 Estimated 9950X3D Result: 207.96 *Crushes* 285K (All Modes), 9950X, Raptor Lake Blender CPU: Classroom 7950X3D 115.7 / 7800X3D 57.22 = 2.02 X 9800X3D 72.36 X 2.02 = 146.31 Estimated 9950X3D Result: 146.31 Beats 285K (All Modes), 9950X, Raptor Lake Geekbench Multi 7950X3D 19841 / 7800X3D 15194 = 1.31 X 9800X3D 18243 X 1.31 = 23823 Estimated 9950X3D Result: 23823 4.6% below 285K + 8400 CUDIMM +OC 3.3% below 285K + 8400 CUDIMM Beats 285K, 9950X, Raptor Lake Timespy Extreme 7950X3D 11589 / 7800X3D 5918 = 1.96 X 9800X3D 7450 X 1.96 = 14589 Estimated 9950X3D Result: 14589 Near Tie: 0.75% below 285K +8400 CUDIMM +OC Beats 285K +8400 CUDIMM, 285K, 9950X, Raptor Lake
Meh I wouldn’t see the point in upgrading from a 7800x3D for the average end user. Most people don’t have the monitor specs and the other wouldn’t even notice the difference. But I’m sure everyone will run out and buy just so they can say they have it
@ really though, if you’re getting 460fps in a game do you need to sell your need to sell your cpu buy a new one to get 540? No, there’s no point. Most people are capped on their monitors refresh rate as it is but are still going to go out and buy a 9800x3D thinking they’re going to see some huge difference lol
"Meh" - Really! The 9800x3D is a great CPU, if you were expecting even more I bet you also expect to win the lottery every time you buy a ticket. In fact I wonder if you even watched the video, as clearly your purpose for being here is just to negative.
@ dicing say it wasn’t a great cpu what I’m saying is AMD didn’t really compete with anyone but themselves launching this product. You can only really compare it to a 7800x3D because even that cpu is beating the intel 285k. So realistically AMD beat them selves, whoa awesome great job now gamers can have even more fps even though they won’t notice the difference and their monitors can’t keep up with the frame rate. So in that conclusion it’s meh. It’s kinda like everyone waiting for a 5090. Average person is playing 1440/144-240hz a 4090 is more than enough power so buying a 5090 you’re not going to see any difference. Why do you think Nvidia didn’t launch a 5090ti/super ? There’s no point in competing with yourself
@@waylandtp Glad I'm not the only one thinking this. These videos are really just for those "keeping up with the Joneses" folks. The vast majority of people don't need to care in the least about this CPU. The vast majority of people don't even need this CPU or anything close to as fast in order to keep up with their GPU. In fact, unless you have a 4090, and plan to misuse it just to test the CPU, there's almost no point in buying this just for gaming.
Remember in 2017 how Intel mocked AMD for gluing their Chips
oh how the turn table'd
And Intel just pulled both Bulldozer and Piledriver moments with both Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake.
Well, the "glued" cpus were pretty bad. The 5800, 7800, 9800 and x3d variants etc are all excellent - but they are 8 core cpu's not 4+4 like the underperforming "glued" 3000-gen had. The newer "glued" 5-7000 series 8+4 and 8+8 cpu's have had a fair amount of issues with cache (the 9000-series finally fixes this with cache for all clusters so the >8 core cpu's will likely be problem-free from now on). So the tables turned, but the other way from how you think :)
@@saricubra2867 I defend bulldozer from the point that a 9590 cost me 90 dollars and ran at 5.5Ghz for 6 years without issue :D at a mere 225watts.
Glue logic is circuitry that connects two integrated circuits.
You're too ignorant to know that, so you assume it's a "slam".
I'm not sure how 240 people equally as ignorant gathered in one place.
you know what's even funnier??? Back in 2005, AMD released the Athlon 64 X2 CPU, a true dual core design. Intel, with it Core 2 processor still a year away, had nothing to offer, so what did they do??? The "GLUED" 2 Intel Pentium 4 Dies onto a single substrate and called it the Pentium D. Then when AMD was gearing up for Quad Core processors, Intel again had nothing for that, so what did they do??? "GLUED" 2 Core 2 Duo CPU's onto a single substrate and called it the Core 2 Quad.
Intel had been "GLUING" CPU's together long before AMD gave us Ryzen, but Intel likes to not talk about their hypocrisy, especially their fangirls
7:42 Jay: “They may not be Gamer’s Nexus levels of charts…”
Jay is always acting like GN is the guy we told him not to worry about 😂
It is prophesized that the end of all other benchmarking channels would come when one combines the power of GN Steve and HUB Steve.
@@moldyshishkabob They6 need a 3rd Steve for the triangle.
I mean, GN is the only channel I really watch for reviews and comparisons, they're the best in my opinion, the other tech channels I follow, is just for fun.
Poor Jay.. Chart-envy is rough.
I like J. GN comes off as extremely smuggish. Iv definately had my own discrepancies with their "accurate" benchmarks. At least if J is wrong hes humble about it. GN went out of there way to try and smear LTT. For what? Just to be dicks.
excited for 9950X3D!!!!
I'm less excited about that one, tbh. But I'm just that kinda fella that likes his gaming CPUs to be scheduled correctly in Windows. Everything above the _800X3D in past gens seems to struggle and it's never been a major uplift. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. It would mean that AMD finally figured out a decent solution to the problem.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 I'm not having any problems with scheduling in Windows 11 with the 7950X3D, Updates do happen. Also anyone buying a 7950X3D probably isn't gaming.
thats exactly what I'm waiting on as well, its nearly time for my 5900x to retire
@@Orginal_Sinner I have a 5900x too, and besides the performance being amazing, its caused so many headaches with weird temps and updates and compatibility issues. Definitely going to get the 9800X3D
If 3d Cache is on all chiplets, its an INSTA buy! If not, I'll get 9800x3D
“It’s like an entire tier of CPU jump in just generational performance”
As it should be.
It's what we want and demand, but it's an unrealistic expectation.
I just got a 5800x3d it's just hard to keep up with new stuff at least for me. I just hope it serves me well for at least 4-5 more years
😂🫵🏻
Same for me. Git the 5700x3d. Ill upgrade to AM5 in a couple years
5800x3d still a killer chip. Especially for the price. plus side you do NOT have to pair it with a 4080super or higher.
I'm still using a 4790k lol. I'm thinking about upgrading finally after 10 years.
It will :)
first CPU that manages to motivate me into an upgrade to AM5
Getting into the AM5 for at a good price would be the 7500f or 7600x 9800x3d is like a bonus if you have that much money to spend lol
that was the 7800x3d for me. intel is just broken
@@space.raider.2271 same here. Got all the parts on the way, and waiting for tomorrow. Intel has just dropped the ball, and this is a no brainer for me coming from a 9700k
@@mikecheckmike i had an 9900k that unfortunately it broke so had to downgrade to an 9600k as it was an outdated soc, been waiting for an good upgrade and this looks very promising to get
@@CyberBeep_kenshi funny my intel works just fine
Boom, dozen new 9800X3D videos in a second 😅 time to get some popcorn and enjoy the show. Starting with Jay of course.
Why? Starting from the bottom of the barrel?
Kind of ironic. Lol
I think I finally found the replacement for my 8700K.......
I had an 8700K, but early October I replaced it with a 7700X. I'm happy with my upgrade, especially at the prime day deal price I got the 7700X for.
@@volticarchwing51237700x is a beast cpu.
heeyyyyyy a fellow 8700k here, and yeah gonna be looking to upgrade over the holidays
Same 😂😂
I upgraded my 8700k earlier this year to a 14700k oof
if they fixed core parking then 9900x3d and 9950x3d might be huge for gaming
Indeed. Because both will have some non-3D cores they may also improve non-gaming performance over the all-3D core 9800x3d.
The need for core parking is a windows issue. Windows tries to load balance light loads across all the cores in a way that only makes sense for monolithic CPUs. The idea is to spread heat and wear evenly.
if both CCDs have additional VCache there won't need to be much more core parking than the non-X3D counterparts.
I am anxiously awaiting testing results on the 9950x3d. If they've fixed the issues from the 7950x3d then that's my next cpu without question.
@@Karlston The 9900X3D and 9950X3D will have V-cache on both CCXs.
1% lows are so much better, so big winner here.
Only thing I care about tbh. 1% and 0.1% lows are what I care about more, since I limit frame cap to 137 for gsync (4k/144hz monitor).
@Munky332 truth!
Thank AMD for clockspeed stability and bypass of the terrible IO die.
5800X3D was heavily flawed due to clockspeed jitter (still better than base Zen 3 but worse than DDR5 Alder Lake), the 7800X3D a huge improvement by higher stable clocks (still jittery at times but way better), the 9800X3D is just higher clocks in general.
yeh 1% lows and 0.1% lows are really not talked about enough and its worth it just for them to be higher
FPS gaming especially demands high frame rates, but the 0.1% and 1% lows are much more important than the average FPS.
Fluidity and stable gaming are what you feel with good 0.1% lows, not the averages.
I'm so pumped! 3700x served me right for 5 years but I'm excited to feel the x3d for the first time and it will be with the new GOAT
lol I recently got a 7800x3d, and I had a 2700x before that feels good to have a real meaningful upgrade!
Sold my 7800X3D for $400 that i paid $280 for in April only gonna cost me $80 + Tax To Upgrade
I've got the top end AM4 set up and its fine , ya'll delulu
@@MrSatnavatron considering the 7800X3D is no longer being produced, and the 9800X3D is only, what, $30 more? No reason to get a 7800X3D.
Its personal preference not crazy. If youre happy with what you have, but if others want the newer then that's what they can do@@MrSatnavatron
@@MrSatnavatronexcept your top end am4 system cant run at 5.5 ghz and you also dont get ddr5 meaning alot of your performance is just lacking compared to next gen
fomo much? lol
I'm gonna miss my 6700k. it's been a faithful old horse but the time has finally come
It took you 10 years to make up your mind...
So long to Intel, ey?
bruh, that is like putting Joe Biden 2 years from now in an athletics competition? i mean, if monies an issue i get it but that is dinosaur-tech.
Similar finally upgrading from my 8700 not k
That'll be an amazing upgrade for you. I still have my 13700 so i'll wait at least a year or two before upgrading. My 4090 will go several years if it lasts that long
"what, an intel CPU that does suck?" we've come a long way since the launch of ryzen💀💀💀💀
to be fait they are made for productivity and that is where they kill everything. intel is smashing that.
@@brtcobrathreadrippers smash Intel at enthusiast side and 9950x is barely 5% +/- than 285k. Except quicksync Intel doesn't really have big stand out feature. Maybe the npu is useful but a decent dgpu is still better for ai tasks.
intel remained fine in laptops because of those E cores when you buy a ultra thin laptop which you want to have a high battery life
@@Riyozsu threadrippers cost an arm and a leg and have worse single core performance
Or not if you’re Intel
I am really looking forward to the big X3D CPUs like you. I do imaging work, CAD/CAM, and gaming. I put it all into one box these days because I've moved to a smaller home, reducing my footprint in computers from 8 desks to 3. Some of that has to be dedicated to older systems supporting old work that's still active, so the remaining space has to be a "Do it all" personal system.
I want to see the 9950X3D with dual X3D cache dies and running cooler just like this 9800X3D! Hopefully AMD is listening, and stocking up good chips before the release of the 9900X3D and 9950X3D even now toward a before the end of the year launch date!
I'm getting ready to build (or have built for me) my final gaming computer after the first of the year (I'm 72 ). It looks like the 9900x3d may be my first AMD processor since the K7. Thanks for the info, Jay!
Cool
You did it again Jay... even though you called out AMD's typo, there's one in the charts @20:16 ... What's a "DUATION"? 😜
😂😂😂😂
You gotta appreciate that he's humble enough to know that he frequently has errors in stuff too. 😂
@@getinthespace7715 Totally! After he said it, I just couldn't resist it. The troll in me was too stronk!
That FPS jump from the previous generation is insane. The new king of gaming CPU has arrived.
They fudged the numbers by running it on medium settings. You don’t play 4090 on medium settings. Linus said almost no improvement at 4k
if you are playing at 1080p certainly. At 4k, there's basically zero gain.
@@rodneyp9590 they are testing the cpu not the gpu, of course at higher resolutions it will be a gpu bound situation
@@rodneyp9590exactly, in real world scenarios (for me that is on 1440p175 ultrawide or 4k120 screens) you won't See mich difference. If you're into competitive games like valorant, overwatch or any moba i reckon you'd see decent improvements.
@@Abc6-abc so it’s not an improvement for its intended use, at least until we see the next generation GPUs
Never commented on a YT video, I had to for the flipped it and reversed it part, 5:00 kudos to the editor!
Feel sad for all those who will not fully grasp the joke. Mostly people without gray hairs xD (see: Missy Elliott - Work It)
broke embargo by 2 min ;)
Brazil broke embargo by an hour. They apparently got the wrong embargo time from AMD.
@@realnzallthey don’t to daylight saving time
The new king, god emperor trump
Embargo police
The new King is TrumpX2TERMs
I still think I have at least 4 more years on my 5800X3D...no real reason to upgrade just yet.
Right im on 5700x3D and this look nice but shoot I spent so much money just upgrading to this from my 3600/2060S to an 5700x3D/4080S and I got an oled 4k monitor now to like my pockets are saying ENOUGH😭 I raise the flag im still able to game maxed out at and enjoyable rate at this point It just a pixel chase and at the cost I can’t justify atm but definitely didn’t disappointed!
@@charlessmith9369 nice upgrade
@@MrAnimescrazy thanks bro it took over 5 years to get here! I’m definitely greatful and surprises me how many people don’t also appreciate the current tech at
Our disposal these stuff are powerful!
@@charlessmith9369Just got a 4090, have a 5800x, how good is your combo ? I’m assuming at higher resolutions it’ll become GPU and I’ll be fine?
@@Brxndz_ Yeap! Once you on 4k you’re pretty much gpu bound so at 4k you be at like 6% bottleneck which is more than fine! You’ll still be using about 94% of ur gpu you’ll still see a small uplift if you go 5800x3D or 5700x3D to get that close to zero but honestly ur just fine NICE 4090! Especially having one in the current state is pretty sweet! lol If I could of afford the diff I would of but an 4090 is a different beast! I play everything pretty much maxed out at 4k don’t see any current games go below 60 once with dlss and frame gen is on but with you’re card you can pretty much run just about any game native and get close to 60 fps no matter the title so you’re pretty comfortable on average got be in the 90-180 fps range if you talking those easy to run shooters you gotta be flying colors cause I play OW2 max out on my 4k panel at 240hz so pretty much you’re gpu will be still a valuable player for at least a min of 8 years but can go way longer congrats on the purchase dude!
Thermals. Pure and simple... brought myself a 7600x when it was first released out of desperation since my old PC was struggling with everything, thought to myself i don't need a 7800x3d. Recently been having trouble with heat, checked out making sure thermal paste was good... my AIO fans were still working and cooling. Knew this was a few weeks away and decided then and there if they show to run cooler i would be getting one asap. Watching multiple reviewers all saying it's running cooler than all the other CPU's has concreted my decision.
true
AMD Ryzen 9800X3D the NEW KING of GAMING!
Not ! Run the tests in 1440P and 4K and its a much tighter comparison. This chip is only good for one thing and its not even that good. Dont believe everything you hear from these tech heads because they dont always tell the truth.
I was hoping reviewers wouldn't miss the fact that the MSRP is basically what the street price of the 7800X3D was selling for. Yes it's slightly higher MSRP and we would all like cheaper, but it is what pepole have shown they are willing to pay. I wonder if more than Jay wil point this out in the reviews?
Coming from a 5600x3D on my gaming rig, having a 5900X for my workstation, getting an ASRock X870 Pro RS WiFi for $129 on a price glitch at Micro Center and having no CPU in it, I am excited.
Did you get that motherboard online? Was it at your Microcenter only? Can’t find that board at mine.
Whats a price glitch? They messed up but because you see it you can screenshot and and they have to honor it or something else?
Damn good deal 👍
The deal was the 2nd week that the X870 motherboards were out on the market. They just got it in and it was supposed to be listed at $209 but for some reason it was $129. I took a detour to the store and got it. Not even the employees working knew if it was a quick sale or a glitch. All motherboards are listed online that are in stock for your store only but you have to buy in store.
Step 1: Pre-order 9800x3d, if can’t see step 3
Step 2: Buy AMD stock
Step 3: Get a$$ outta bed early Nov 7th and go to store or online and get 9800x3d
Step 4: Build PC / install new cpu.
Step 5: Watch as both the stock prices and your gaming performance rise.
Step 6: once the next set of top tier Ryzen come out with proper X3d and dominate Intel in every chart, stock should rocket up. Sell stock and use profit to fund new rtx5090.
Step 7: install 5090 and start laughing at the ridiculous benchmarks.
5:00 jayz going missy elliot...
Didn't think I'd see that one on my bingo card... 😅
After 20 years of using Intel going to be a first time user of AMD. Honestly little scared since never used AMD cpu. Hopefully I will get my hands on 9800x3d soon since other parts are on order.
What are you scared of? This is not Ryzen 1000 or 2000 anymore. It's a very mature architecture now.
Nothing to be afraid of. I don't know why people say that. It's a x86/64 cpu, not like going to RISC and an entirely different OS. You don't need to recompile the kernel, you don't need to rewrite any code. You reinstall Windows and play your games. That's it, not rocket science
Amd is awesome, nothing to be afraid of
I made the swap back in May, and honestly, AMD is so much better, and the transition was flawless. And I didn't even get a 'fancy' chip (tho I wish now I had just because I do get a bit of a bottle neck on the CPU in some games with what I went with)
I have mostly used AMD. :)
1:32 After all the work and money spent, you're telling us that the stairs are the reason you guys moved back to the old studio? 🤨
Yeah that was weird, maybe just being too sarcastic?
Honestly didn't expect you to drop a missy Elliott bar, kudos!
I remember Falcon North west in PC mag's in the 90's always a dream computer.
The flipped and inverted bit at the start was great. Thanks Phill 😂
8:16 FYI Jay/Phil when you redo your stuff, that highlight needs to go all the way to the end especially when looking at comparing the numbers, makes it easier for the audience at a glance, the fade off is too early
About what I expected. Great upgrade from a non-X3D 7th gen or even more so from a AM4 CPU or Intel 10th/11th/12th gen. Obviously people with a 7800X3D shouldn't get it.
depend, the average fps slide show 100 fps gain out of 450 fps, meaning, about 20 to 25% gain, so the price to performance kinda make sense even if the true pricing of the 7800x3d was around 350 sooner this year. (minute 13:25)
The new Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU is making a huge impact in gaming
This makes me tempted 😮👀 I mostly use my current pc for video production but this makes me want to build a SFF build with the 9800X3D for gaming.
Go ahead.
AMD stop kicking Intel they are already in the ground
Great review guys. I'm with you on the 9950X3D, I'm really excited and hopeful for it, because I really do make great use of my 7950X3D and it would be really nice to not be dependent on any software any longer for gaming perf. Although I've mostly had zero issues with games sticking on the correct CCD and working perfectly. That reminds me, it's nice to see that you guys didn't fudge the data on the dual CCD X3D parts, which seems all too common now days; multiple other reviewers did and had them (7950X3D/7900X3D) running about as fast as a 5600X/5700X in gaming. And left the data in their charts.
One has to wonder how long it's going to be before these software companies start utilizing large cache system that these architectures are starting to utilize.
They literally do you get about 5-10% higher productivity ipc with vcache. Its just that games are extremely latemcy bound while productivity is normally bound by the compute power of the core itself
once again though make no mistake, VCACHE DOES HELP IN PRODUCTIVITY.
@@Frozoken It depends on which kind of productivity. If I remember correctly, fluid dynamics simulations heavily profited from the cache on the 5800X3D, so I wonder what kind of performance jumps the 9800X3D can achieve there with higher clocks and big cache.
When you write performance software you try and use tight code and data blocks that fit into L1 caches.
Deliberately using super-sized stuff just to use more cache is called software bloat.
Cache is a CPU feature that mitigates the relatively slow access to memory.
@@Frozoken Apparently not as much as these benchmarks would show.
@@RobBCactive I understand what cache is. But just like game developers working to utilize more than one core/thread on multi-core CPU's, it's time for companies to try and utilize the full range of cache memory that's available.
Thanks Jay & team for this great video.
I watched other channels cover it but yours was the most down to earth and really easy to understand!
Just domination, great review!
domination? what you on about.
AMD domination, but sadly no competition anymore.
Wait, all that time, money, and effort into moving.....and Jay is just going back to his previous unit???
eh, I built a 7800X3D system before the 9800X3D was announced. spent $400 on the 7800X3D. and I de-lidded it. I had no reason to upgrade, i run a 1440p ultrawide, I probably wouldn't see much of a boost.
@@REAVER781 go to Linus tech tips his review touches on the 1440p and 4k aspect
That depends on how strong your GPU is and what you run.
you wont at 1440p the results are almost identical. and even at 1080p the gains arent that crazy prob 8-10% improvement on average, the 7800x3d will still eat up games for years to come.
You look like you are having way to much fun in those adverts I love it haha.
Been waiting for this review
Every single time you say "T.J.Max"... a little voice in my head goes: "shoe store?"
I'm Bri'ish and it's called T.K. Max here so every time I hear it a little voice in my head goes 'you mean T.K. Max?' 😂😂
@@DystopianOverture LOL
This may be the first time I switch to AMD CPUs. Time to go Red.
Mmmm I think someone jumped the gun by two minutes!!! 😂😂😂😂
I'm so glad that Jayz brought in the 7950X3D benchmark in the graph. First I've seen among all the benchmark videos. Thanks!
I can't wait until the processor is barely available to buy for another year and prices are 50% higher
This is (almost) perfect timing for me for this to release! I'm in the process of researching parts for my next build, which I'm expecting to pull the trigger on in about a month or 2. My list currently includes the 7800x3d, but I REALLY wanted the 9800x3d!. This will allow some time for any shortcomings to become public for this CPU. And of course, some time for the price to become a bit more stable
5:00 Nice Missy Elliot reference^^
5:10 ~ As an Australian, I can confirm, things usually look better if you flip them. [thumbs up!]
That's brutal.... We haven't seen Intel had their ass handed to them so hard since Athlon Thunderbird. And that was a long long time ago
Not everything is about video games.
@@Ryzen9800-c2y Everything is about video games for X3d. Workstation they got 99xx already, even then AMD in the lead with their efficiency.
Uh-oh.
13:35 - 13:58
AMD is using High Settings in their charts, Jay is using Medium Settings.
Got tired of the stairs 😂
Just ordered new Parts for my first Am5 build!
In my am4 i already had a 7900xtx red devil paired with a 5800x3d, 3600mhz
Now i ordered, h9 flow case, 9 Lian Li inf fans v2, 6000mhz Trident z Neo 64gb ram
And i am waiting to finally order my 9800x3d to finally Start my PC build! I already had my parts at home for almost 5 days while having vacation. I am So impatient, it drives my nuts 😂
I am gonna see what the 9900X3D & 9950X3D is gonna put out.
9900x3d probably won't be too exciting, they should drop it altogether really. It drops 2 x3d cores so the much like the last gen it'll probably run slower than the 9800x3d in games but be a little better in productivity. The 9950x3d I'll bet will match or excede the 9800x3d in games and crush it in productivity.
Honestly those aren’t worth it lol, just get the standard variant 9900x or 9950x for content creation/workflow. If I had to guess they will be a repeat of the 7950x3d
@@kendil22 You are right. 9950X3D would be the one with 2 X3D cores.
not worth, will be slower in gaming. Proven with the prior gen. Losing those cores is critical to performance.
@@itsprod.472People don't seem to get that others exist that play games that very much like the cache on top of having uses for the extra threads. It's irrelevant that the 8-core is faster just for games, when the 16 is getting you most of the way there on top of being better for many other things.
I ❤ my 7950x3d all the quirks have been worked out awhile ago... and it runs very very cool all the time
This look nice but man I just spent a good bit just upgrading my am4 rig 😭 so I’ll just admire from the sidelines im coming from an 3600/2060S so an 5700x3D/4080S is honestly still a beast playing everything 4k max out can’t complain! Cant wait to see what Nvidia cooking up now!
Went from an x370/2600/580 4gb to an x570/5800X3D/6700 10gb myself a little over a year ago. Man what an upgrade.
@ heck yea ur rig pretty much is an night a day difference now with ur upgrades congratulations!
I’m not super into keeping up with the latest/upcoming CPU’s. I just knew I didn’t want to roll the RMA dice with a 14th gen Intel.
A few weeks ago I bought a 7950X3D for a hybrid gaming/work/streaming PC and just found out about the new AM5’s launching. I was worried I made a mistake. This video made me feel a lot better about the 7950X3D. With it not being a dedicated gaming machine, I think the 7950X3D is a great compromise for hybrid use. It holds its own with multicore workloads. And even if it’s not the absolute king of the gaming benchmarks, it still holds its own there, too.
Thank you brother.
19:20 Actually, if you count the downward spikes, the 7800X3D completed 13 tests, while the 9800X3D completed 18 tests. The intervals for the 7800X3D _do_ get longer in that middle interruption there, so it's fair to say it would have completed 14 tests vs the 9800X3D's 18.
1080P ? ... Zzzz zzz zzz How about a part 2 showing in use for "Real world" users at 2k or 4k? Please and thank you.
My 7800X3D scores 6217 points in Time Spy extreme....
1 min is unreal
just got a 7900x3d.
what's neat is i can just upgrade my same system to the 9800x3d when the price drops a bit.
Not comparing to 5800x3d feels like a miss to me. A lot of us are still on am4, would have loved tk get direct comparison instead needing to now find a 5800x3d to 7800x3d comparison and then come back tl this video.
We have been redoing all of our tests and there hasn't been enough time to get to Zen 3.5 prior to this launch
Throw 5700x3D in there to!
5800x3d is still great in comparison. If you can find it, and if you can find it for less than $400
Linus did
You don't need that. They still kick so much ass it's hilarious and they'll keep doing so for years. For $199 the 5700X3D is the deal of the decade for anyone still rocking an early gen Ryzen rig.
Guess the next person getting your abandon studio gonna love it
OK, here’s my problem with Intel. Nothing against the company itself, but I would like to have an ecosystem to a certain degree because Intel uses AMD’s X 86 architecture.
0:22... NO!! An ACTUAL CPU..." that's jacked lol!^^
I REALLY wish reviewers would also include real world scenarios.
What difference does it make at 4K ultra settings? Compared to the 7800x3D and the competition?
I get the test and its purpose but I couldn’t give a shit how many frames I’m getting at 1080p medium.
Yes which is especially funny since ppl buying latest cpus are even more likely to use 4k. At least the small review channels have 4k charts
Because if you cared, you'd already know that there hasn't been a cpu in a decade with meaningful difference at 4k. Also it's not just the frames, sim times are on the graphs for Stellaris. Other sim games will show similar sim time benefits.
I'm in the "I need a gaming/workstation CPU" so the 9950X3D is looking like it'll be the go to.
BUT the leaked(?) Threadripper X3D has me more excited. CCs, streamers (and me) could really benefit from a "9960X3D" that has more PCIe lanes for things like running a second GPU and Capture Card(s) or something else, with fully populated SSD slots at the same time with no compromises.
What are the speed limits when using ddr5 on 9800x3d? Considering it was 6000-6400 mhz on a 7800x38
Looks like it’s the same, from other reviews. DDR6000 cl30 or 28
@@jessiethedude No, that's the sweet spot for RAM speed, not the max speed.
AMD claims that 9000 series supports up to 8000MT/s. However you have to switch the IMC to 1:2 mode, which introduces additional latency.
Better to stick with the sweet spot, low latency DDR5-6000 RAM, maybe 6200-6400, as the IMC can run with a 1:1 ratio to the RAM. Similar performance to 8000 RAM, but much less expensive.
@@johnscaramis2515 ohhh whoops
Looks great but I'm already running a 9-7950X3D and it easily handles everything I can throw at it and stays cool. No need to upgrade for a long time. The future looks awesome. 🤑
how cool does your system run?, I was planning on switching to that from the i9 14900kf cause it runs so hot 💀💀
"We're talking about an actual CPU..." - Ouch, Intel just got burned!!!
Amazing video. Wow, really a good cpu from AMD. I'm still using a Core i7 4790K and i usually play old games in 4K. The most current game i played is Doom Eternal. I haven't played any other recent games. And i don't plan to upgrade anytime soon. I'm waiting for Intel to get it's shit together. :D I'm more curious about 2027, 2028 when Intel is supposedly make a great chip. I'll wait and see, meanwhile i won't be playing current games, new games, so my old and trusty Core i7 4790K will be sufficient for me. I will consider upgrading starting 2027 and onwards. Thank you for the amazing video JayzTwoCents. Always quality content, keep up the good job man.
As you talked about the poor design of the 3D cache from a heat transfer perspective, I wondered yet again if anyone has explored a design that would allow cooling the CPU from BOTH sides rather than just the “top.” There are challenges but sandwiching the CPU and socket between two cooling systems would be a giant leap forward.
Can't wait to see the 9950X3D
omfg im so happy ive been waiting to upgrade. Currently rocking a 9900k intel cpu
this will be an amazing upgrade
6700 Intel CPU here. A upgrade has been long overdue
9900k is not bad to be honest. Like a undervolted 5800x
Same! Have been waiting for ages
Im using the same cpu as well. Other than helldivers 2 it handles everything i do,there is an itch to upgrade though
Sorry to hear the new place didn't work out!
Can't wait to build my PC in a few months after having to resort to laptops for 6 years. Using this CPU.
There is something profoundly comforting about building your instrument of escapism, making it your own, exactly the way you want it.
9800X3D? What was all this Shminty Shmeight hundred Shmex Shmee-D talk?!
Now I know for sure that the 9800x3d is my new cpu. I wanted to see comparisons between 7800x3d to see if it makes sense to buy 9800x3d.
There is almost no performance increase from the 5800X3D to 9800X3D for 1440p High / RT games according to LTT's benchmarks.
So, unless you are gaming at 1080p low, consider saving your money!
Should I upgrade my 7800x3d for the new 9800x3d
@@Edgar-u8v9m if I owned a 7800x3d, I wouldn't upgrade. But I have a 5800x
@reigovahtre8418 yeah I have the 7800x3d and I'm thinking of getting the 9800x3d
For the performance increase it looks way less energy efficient. The 7800x3d was practically locked into eco mode due to the core temps
Video starts at 00:58
Video starts at 27:44
"10 Minute Duation" @ 18:18 😅 You weren't kidding Jay. I'm not seeing anything bad here, and might finally be inclined to adopt AM5.
None of us have watched the whole thing yet
I am quite excited to see the 9950X3D results, my 7950X3D is a beast and I already have it overclocked (Linux is saying it's max is now 5.9ghz..lol), really want to see how they compare.
gamers are complacent jay....every channel talking about 9800x3d and all have in common...they all running 1080p while performing worst in 4k....and 1440p that is where majority folks have 2k monitors . 1080p is for handhelds...why would anyone testing this on 4090 on handheld resolution...for computer 3k vs handheld like nintendo switch cost $299
Most gamers don't use 1440p. Look at the steam charts. Also, this is a CPU review, not a GPU bottleneck review.
1080p is to see what the cpu can do. You can wait for the 2k and 4k tests later.
7500f rules in the sub $100 dollar and sub 65W power range :)
Who's gonna be using a 9800x3d and a 4090 in 1080p
That’s done intentionally so it is a test more of the cpu than the gpu. Using higher resolutions puts more load on the gpu. Using lower resolutions makes the gpu sit twiddling its thumbs waiting on the cpu so you get a better idea of what the cpu can do.
Exactly. The real life tests are what actually matters.
Me; with DLSS enabled 🙂
@saiyan2706
The point is to test the CPU performance, 1080p will remove the GPU bound. It's a video about CPU review. If they do it in 4K res all CPU with same price / class performace will have the same max fps because 4K is GPU bound.
Next time when 5090 comes out, people will test it at 4K to see it's relative performance to 4090.
Higher resolution = for testing GPU's performance, GPU reviews.
1080p = for testing CPU's performance, CPU reviews.
lower res put more work to the CPU.
Those deciding between 9800X3D and 9950X3D take note that most games are written with the console architecture in mind i.e 8 core 16 thread. Its rare that you'll need more than that (for games) and frequency will be more important than core count as game cpu workloads are inherently serial (certain tasks can be broken out onto multiple threads though). If you do productivity stuff as well then it sounds like the 9950X3D is a good option otherwise the 9800X3D will be best.
Amd is doing great right now
Love the Missy Elliott reference.
9950X3D All-Core Productivity/MultiThread Estimate:
Take 7800X3D vs 7950X3D difference, apply to 9800X3D
A real 9950X3D could perform better or worse.
It could perform better if we get dual X3D CCDs
It could perform better if core scheduling is fixed VS 7950X3D
It could perform worse if there is a power limit threshold being hit that the 7950X3D stays below
Of course there could be other X factors. Anyhow, this is a very crude basic estimate:
Cinebench R24 Multi:
7950X3D 2023 / 7800X3D 1088 = 1.86X
9800X3D 1346 X 1.86 = 2503 Estimated 9950X3D
Result: 2503
4.7% below 285K +8400 CUDIMM +OC
0.6% below 285K +8400 CUDIMM
Beats 285K, 9950X, Raptor Lake
Cinebench R23 Multi:
7950X3D 35235 / 7800X3D 18055 = 1.95 X
9800X3D 22986 X 1.95 = 44858 Estimated 9950X3D
Result: 44858
Beats 285K (All Modes), 9950X, Raptor Lake
Blender CPU: Monster
7950X3D 234.1 / 7800X3D 118.4 = 1.98 X
9800X3D 146.13 X 1.98 = 288.9 Estimated 9950X3D
Result: 288.9
Beats 285K (All Modes), 9950X, Raptor Lake
Blender CPU: Junk Shop
7950X3D 166.72 / 7800X3D 83.16 = 2.00 X
9800X3D 103.73 X 2.00 = 207.96 Estimated 9950X3D
Result: 207.96
*Crushes* 285K (All Modes), 9950X, Raptor Lake
Blender CPU: Classroom
7950X3D 115.7 / 7800X3D 57.22 = 2.02 X
9800X3D 72.36 X 2.02 = 146.31 Estimated 9950X3D
Result: 146.31
Beats 285K (All Modes), 9950X, Raptor Lake
Geekbench Multi
7950X3D 19841 / 7800X3D 15194 = 1.31 X
9800X3D 18243 X 1.31 = 23823 Estimated 9950X3D
Result: 23823
4.6% below 285K + 8400 CUDIMM +OC
3.3% below 285K + 8400 CUDIMM
Beats 285K, 9950X, Raptor Lake
Timespy Extreme
7950X3D 11589 / 7800X3D 5918 = 1.96 X
9800X3D 7450 X 1.96 = 14589 Estimated 9950X3D
Result: 14589
Near Tie: 0.75% below 285K +8400 CUDIMM +OC
Beats 285K +8400 CUDIMM, 285K, 9950X, Raptor Lake
1k views in 1 minute is CRAZY
That is nuts, RiP PNUT!
Meh I wouldn’t see the point in upgrading from a 7800x3D for the average end user. Most people don’t have the monitor specs and the other wouldn’t even notice the difference. But I’m sure everyone will run out and buy just so they can say they have it
i mean, the gain in price ratio is good here, which im surprised, i never thought we would see a jump in fps from 460 to 540... more than 20% gain.
@ really though, if you’re getting 460fps in a game do you need to sell your need to sell your cpu buy a new one to get 540? No, there’s no point. Most people are capped on their monitors refresh rate as it is but are still going to go out and buy a 9800x3D thinking they’re going to see some huge difference lol
"Meh" - Really!
The 9800x3D is a great CPU, if you were expecting even more I bet you also expect to win the lottery every time you buy a ticket.
In fact I wonder if you even watched the video, as clearly your purpose for being here is just to negative.
@ dicing say it wasn’t a great cpu what I’m saying is AMD didn’t really compete with anyone but themselves launching this product. You can only really compare it to a 7800x3D because even that cpu is beating the intel 285k. So realistically AMD beat them selves, whoa awesome great job now gamers can have even more fps even though they won’t notice the difference and their monitors can’t keep up with the frame rate. So in that conclusion it’s meh. It’s kinda like everyone waiting for a 5090. Average person is playing 1440/144-240hz a 4090 is more than enough power so buying a 5090 you’re not going to see any difference. Why do you think Nvidia didn’t launch a 5090ti/super ? There’s no point in competing with yourself
@@waylandtp Glad I'm not the only one thinking this. These videos are really just for those "keeping up with the Joneses" folks. The vast majority of people don't need to care in the least about this CPU. The vast majority of people don't even need this CPU or anything close to as fast in order to keep up with their GPU. In fact, unless you have a 4090, and plan to misuse it just to test the CPU, there's almost no point in buying this just for gaming.
Just imagine when AMD figures out how to get both CCDs able to access the 3D V-Cache in the x900 and x950 X3D CPUs.