This game was made with PC only platform in mind. Vice versa we, the pc gamers get the bad Console ports with bad optimization, bad mouse support and stuff.
i really didnt notice till you said it. i knew something was off about push, as a low life console player i agree. no one really asked for a 10v10 mode
It depends on a port quality. The game was initially made for PC, and it probably got worse optimization for console version. The same as when the console game is being ported to PC, we get worse optimization and cut content
Turning crossplay off by default should not be enough. Just the ability to toggle crossplay for pc will negatively impact the player base. PC players should not even have the option to choose between 14v14 or 10v10, we should just queue and get to our 14v14 games like always. The xbox/playstation players are the ones that must choose between a laggier 14v14 with global crossplay or their classic 10v10s that considers their hardware limitations.
Agreed but saying no crossplay at all for steam comes across as extreme, but I do believe you are right. We just don’t have the population for crossplay and to keep 14v14 going
Crossplay doesnt need to be removed, in fact, it could even be on at all times, just not limited by console standards (10v10) The console players should be The ones to choose if they Want to sacrifice performance to play with us or stay at their usual servers
I strongly believe that leaving crossplay off by default is not the way to fix this problem. People will eventually notice crossplay is off, they will toggle it on, and BAM: we will get the same result as we do now but this time devs could argue that they tried to fix it but "people prefer 10v10s"
@@SunW4rri0r It is true, but they had other options anyway. There's just too many ways to protect users from themselves without getting too much into coding. Something as simple as "rebranding" the crossplay or tweaking the UI could help make people stay away from crossplay and keep the 14v14 lobbies alive.
I always wondered why we only had 10v10. I mean, the current console generation is perfectly capable of achieving the right performance for a game like this. I guess the developers screwed up with the ports and now we, the players, have to pay the price. Even between PS and Xbox I have the feeling that the time to kill is longer than usual or I have blanks in the magazine.
really glad you said something, i’ve just defaulted back to rs2 until/if this ever gets fixed. IMO if anything the player count should have been bolstered to 16 or 18 by the sheer amount of players available now, even if some console hardware limitations makes the gameplay outcome less than ideal. mileage may vary but im still getting netcode issues out the wazoo on a wired connection since the update
I'm glad you're enjoying RS2, it's definitely a classic. Im gonna probably play delta force this weekend. And I might try skirmish 10v10. Definitely no 10v10 push though forget it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, drop the support for the last gen consoles. It's ruining the game since PS4 and XOne are holding it back to 10v10. The PS5 and XSX both have the capability to run 14v14, but last gen keeps holding it back.
@Exile-104 absolutely brother. It was 5 years for me. I had a lot of fun with the game and made good friends too. It was a form of therapy for me to play this game on weekends after a hard week at work. I still have hope that they will fix the issue, as the update just came out so I don’t want to give up hope yet. That being said I played my first match of delta force since the beta and top fragged, so the insurgency skills will easily transfer over. I will be playing more delta force this weekend and might upload a vid we will see. So if insurgency tanks because of this update maybe it’s for the best, I will move on to something new and grow as a FPS player even more playing something else.
@@SunW4rri0r I hope they do change it back i had to give Sandstorm a negative review after 4 years, gonna give Arma and Squad a shot. love to see you kick ass in some other games
Im a pc player as well. Why does it matter if there is 4 less players? 10v10 is enough. This game is slow pace, so it's good how it is. I like the change
@@sirscrimpy the game is a ghost town, much less action and in general more time running less time fighting. Also 10 players is not enough to stop me from capping an obj, I can deal with them easily. Now imagine I play with my buddy rainat, the other best player in the game, and then someone else joins our party. It quickly becomes a snore fest when we destroy the entire enemy team of 10 in less than a minute and get a quick cap. We are speed running every match now.
@@SunW4rri0r Ive just came back to it and it is terrible, the recon kit is useless now, before i could pick up 20-30 kill games, over the last 2 days its been a snooze fest, nobody flanks anymore it's just atack and defend and its made the game boring.
@ yeah I know. It’s simply just not enough players. As a sniper you will be sitting there ages waiting for someone to walk by, especially if the 10v10 server isn’t full. Honestly I wouldn’t mind even seeing 20v20 I think that would really spice things up a bit.
Yeah dude it’s bad, matches tend to be ridiculously one sided now even more so than before, it was bad before but now it’s terrible. 10v10 isn’t enough, the maps are too big for so few players, the teams aren’t even full that often, its like 8v8 a lot of the time. Lastly, I barely see console players anyways, there’s like 2 per match.
If you prefer it for domination that’s fine, but it’s definitely not better for push. Push is designed intentionally for 14v14. Besides if you prefer 10v10 that doesn’t mean it should be the only option as it currently is. We should be able to play the game the way we want too. This update completely changed the game in a negative way for us.
@@SunW4rri0r agreed ,i thought i was shadowbanned or something lmao because i've been trying to find a match(Asia Server) ever since the update dropped .Turns out most pc peeps are facing this issue. Just uninstalled the game until they fix this.
The new game mode is badass, they should spread the cap points out further and use the whole maps, also make it where we'd spawn on the caps your teams hold. Like battlefield.
Wait.. how console cant handle 14 vs 14 when they handle 64 players on a better looking game with bigger maps like bf1 ?
Depends on game engines and quality not just plsyer count. But ps4 and Xbox one can't run certain maps the new gen consoles font have problems with it
Don't
This game was made with PC only platform in mind. Vice versa we, the pc gamers get the bad Console ports with bad optimization, bad mouse support and stuff.
Good question
i really didnt notice till you said it. i knew something was off about push, as a low life console player i agree. no one really asked for a 10v10 mode
Put 14 vs 14 on xbox series s and x and ps5
We can hope
dude the ps3 could handle 256 people in 1 multiplayer match and if the ps5 could play battlefield with 120 players i think it could handle 28 players
Was about to mention Battlefield. This guy talking out his ass
It depends on a port quality. The game was initially made for PC, and it probably got worse optimization for console version. The same as when the console game is being ported to PC, we get worse optimization and cut content
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Turning crossplay off by default should not be enough. Just the ability to toggle crossplay for pc will negatively impact the player base. PC players should not even have the option to choose between 14v14 or 10v10, we should just queue and get to our 14v14 games like always. The xbox/playstation players are the ones that must choose between a laggier 14v14 with global crossplay or their classic 10v10s that considers their hardware limitations.
Agreed but saying no crossplay at all for steam comes across as extreme, but I do believe you are right. We just don’t have the population for crossplay and to keep 14v14 going
Crossplay doesnt need to be removed, in fact, it could even be on at all times, just not limited by console standards (10v10) The console players should be The ones to choose if they Want to sacrifice performance to play with us or stay at their usual servers
I strongly believe that leaving crossplay off by default is not the way to fix this problem. People will eventually notice crossplay is off, they will toggle it on, and BAM: we will get the same result as we do now but this time devs could argue that they tried to fix it but "people prefer 10v10s"
@@vktao940 it would be a lot more work but if the devs are willing to do that it would be the better solution
@@SunW4rri0r It is true, but they had other options anyway. There's just too many ways to protect users from themselves without getting too much into coding. Something as simple as "rebranding" the crossplay or tweaking the UI could help make people stay away from crossplay and keep the 14v14 lobbies alive.
I always wondered why we only had 10v10. I mean, the current console generation is perfectly capable of achieving the right performance for a game like this. I guess the developers screwed up with the ports and now we, the players, have to pay the price. Even between PS and Xbox I have the feeling that the time to kill is longer than usual or I have blanks in the magazine.
Took me three business day to find a match
Update:
So far didnt find a single versus match, from asia😂
really glad you said something, i’ve just defaulted back to rs2 until/if this ever gets fixed.
IMO if anything the player count should have been bolstered to 16 or 18 by the sheer amount of players available now, even if some console hardware limitations makes the gameplay outcome less than ideal. mileage may vary but im still getting netcode issues out the wazoo on a wired connection since the update
I'm glad you're enjoying RS2, it's definitely a classic. Im gonna probably play delta force this weekend. And I might try skirmish 10v10. Definitely no 10v10 push though forget it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, drop the support for the last gen consoles. It's ruining the game since PS4 and XOne are holding it back to 10v10. The PS5 and XSX both have the capability to run 14v14, but last gen keeps holding it back.
Man how is this a "Operation: Resurgence" update? more like "Operation: Dead community"
Did they fix the blood/gore yet on console..?
This was the worst thing they could of done the game needs extreme fix now over the update
10V10 Has killed frontlines for me people rage quitting constantly forcing me into 7v7s or worse
@@Exile-104 I emailed the devs my concerns and will probably uninstall the game till they fix this. If they never do, I guess it was a good run.
@@SunW4rri0r had a great couple years with sandstorm made a lot of good friends
sucks to see it crash and burn like this.
@Exile-104 absolutely brother. It was 5 years for me. I had a lot of fun with the game and made good friends too. It was a form of therapy for me to play this game on weekends after a hard week at work. I still have hope that they will fix the issue, as the update just came out so I don’t want to give up hope yet. That being said I played my first match of delta force since the beta and top fragged, so the insurgency skills will easily transfer over. I will be playing more delta force this weekend and might upload a vid we will see. So if insurgency tanks because of this update maybe it’s for the best, I will move on to something new and grow as a FPS player even more playing something else.
@@SunW4rri0r I hope they do change it back i had to give Sandstorm a negative review after 4 years, gonna give Arma and Squad a shot. love to see you kick ass in some other games
I've never had problems with lighting? But ok.
Can ps4 queue with pc and ps5?
Im a pc player as well. Why does it matter if there is 4 less players? 10v10 is enough. This game is slow pace, so it's good how it is. I like the change
@@sirscrimpy the game is a ghost town, much less action and in general more time running less time fighting. Also 10 players is not enough to stop me from capping an obj, I can deal with them easily. Now imagine I play with my buddy rainat, the other best player in the game, and then someone else joins our party. It quickly becomes a snore fest when we destroy the entire enemy team of 10 in less than a minute and get a quick cap. We are speed running every match now.
@@SunW4rri0r Ive just came back to it and it is terrible, the recon kit is useless now, before i could pick up 20-30 kill games, over the last 2 days its been a snooze fest, nobody flanks anymore it's just atack and defend and its made the game boring.
@ yeah I know. It’s simply just not enough players. As a sniper you will be sitting there ages waiting for someone to walk by, especially if the 10v10 server isn’t full. Honestly I wouldn’t mind even seeing 20v20 I think that would really spice things up a bit.
i’m not waiting 1 minute to spawn in push mode. takes 30-40 seconds for 3ppl to die in a wave
Yeah dude it’s bad, matches tend to be ridiculously one sided now even more so than before, it was bad before but now it’s terrible. 10v10 isn’t enough, the maps are too big for so few players, the teams aren’t even full that often, its like 8v8 a lot of the time. Lastly, I barely see console players anyways, there’s like 2 per match.
i have no problems with the game idk what people crying about tho
I like the 10 vs 10 pace.
I came from console and recently moved to PC and i agree i prefer the 10v10 pace atleast for domination
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I do as well 10v10 is alot better sense I'm on pc. Give me a better chance.
If you prefer it for domination that’s fine, but it’s definitely not better for push. Push is designed intentionally for 14v14. Besides if you prefer 10v10 that doesn’t mean it should be the only option as it currently is. We should be able to play the game the way we want too. This update completely changed the game in a negative way for us.
@@SunW4rri0r agreed ,i thought i was shadowbanned or something lmao because i've been trying to find a match(Asia Server) ever since the update dropped .Turns out most pc peeps are facing this issue. Just uninstalled the game until they fix this.
The new game mode is badass, they should spread the cap points out further and use the whole maps, also make it where we'd spawn on the caps your teams hold. Like battlefield.
Unfortunately console makes them money like all games do when its two playforms vs pc players who been playing for years.
Any console players out there, do you want to play against PC players? I used to play sandstorm on console and certainly wouldn't have.
Yes
@@Cwrigz Surprising considering your console gameplay is on par with that of the average pc player.
⚠️⚠️⚠️Maan still no Ranked mode 😫😫😫 There desperately needs to be some sort of League-Ranking system ‼️⚠️🔺
Shit boring without it
@ exactly…. Just random matches that don’t mean shit
We don’t have a consistent player base that’s big enough for ranked
@ ive played this 3 years and want to drop it because its the same campy maps, same strats to win and same everything