Jim Cornette on Hulk Hogan's Legacy
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- From Episode 153 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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I'm not a Hogan guy but anyone who's made six+ figures in this business should thank him.
Not Steve Austin. It was Austin's star power who put WCW out while Hogan was there.
They did every single wrestler in the 80s did but I get the hate so much politics Hogan played
@@victor.elkins Hogan was making $10 million a year during his prime. Gagne, Lewis, Gorgeous George, whoever, etc.. never even sniffed that kind of money during their hey day.
@@rolltide9547 No way Austin makes $12 million during his prime in 99 if Hogan didn't set the bar making $10 million a year during his prime.
@@victor.elkins I said in my comment "six+ figures" Athletes didn't make as much back in the day, that's why many of them had second jobs in the off-season. Do your own research.
In the 80’s when Hogan appeared, nobody remembered the wrestlers from 30 years earlier.
Now, almost 40 years after Hogan showed up, he’s the top name of most people’s minds.
when i think of wrestling i think harley race ric flair dusty rhodes i was a nwa guy
@Damien Jones yeah no i was a hardcore nwa fan and new who they where
@@markdejonge937 yes they are 3 of the 4 pillars of the NWA, but they didn't revolutionize pro wrestling.
I'm a WWF guy, but I don't think much about Bruno, Gorilla and whoever else was a pillar of the pre Hogan WWWF.
This is the key thing I think. Arn Anderson even pointed in one of WWE's million videos (I don't remember which one) "If you ask any person on the street about pro wrestling and they don't know anything about it, they'll say 'oh, that's what Hulk Hogan does'"
100% correct brother.
I'm 37 and I would not be a wrestling fan if it wasn't for hulk Hogan.
Most people did
Me too
How do you know?
I love Cornette, but when he has a bias there is no sense in continuing talking to him about it.
@@crudohr his biggest flaw forsure.
Like Bobby the Brain said. Everyone who complained about Hogan made sure they were on the same card . He also was the catalyst for wrestlemania.
Well no starcade 83 would have that honour. It was the first and clearly Vince had it in mind
Efffff hogan
Hogan’s private life aside, the dude was hugely influential.
@ damn, true words here
yes, cock
@Luc Alberts truer words have not been spoken, and I ain’t a Hogan fan
Both for Good and Bad
Hulk’s heel run with nWo is so underrated. He drew as a good and a bad guy like no other.
How is it underrated? Plenty of folk point to his heel run as his greatest work.
I agree on him being a great heel. He was exceptional during 96-98.
Sloth Fratelli Jim seemed to only be pointing out is work as a baby face. That’s all :)
He's the one guy who could be a top notch character and well like crazy either as a heel or more famously a face. I've never been a huge fan ...and even less now as an adult. But to be honest...there are no wrestling video games, merch lines, podcasts/series or even WrestleMania without Hogan.
That's the funniest thing I have seen posted about Hogan.
His heel run helped kill WCW. It was great at first, but then he had to wrestle and needed to gradually put guys over from veterans to younger guys over time. But his in ring work was so bad, combined with his terrible finisher, that nobody else got over to run with the ball and take WCW into the future.
There was one PPV where Hogan headlined for WCW and drew a 0.13 buyrate to ECW's 0.24 buyrate on a PPV. Hogan was getting paid more than the entire ECW roster, combined.
The initial turn was epic, but nothing after that really worked other than when he put Goldberg over.
On Hulk Hogan's legacy: "neither here nor there". BAHAHAHA. Look at Corney over here no-selling the Hulkster. Come on.....
Yea I love corny but I'm not with him on this one lol
He waaaay overrates old wrestling. Yes, wrestling in the 50s got big ratings but there's a reason for that: there was almost nothing else on
@@richardtheconquerer and Jim Londos sold out smaller venues.
The NWO went on too long though. The whole Red and Black NWO groups got outta control. When Hogan turned at Bash at the Beach...it was a significant event. But 3 years after that, the NWO angel was getting milked to death
Not everyone likes Hogan! He did alot of good but was right there with Vince selling out and telling everyone inside shit which ruined wrestling
Hogan was hugely responsible for making wrestling mainstream, *BROTHER*
Exactly, right. Thank you for not being afraid to disagree with James E.
If you knew anything about the wrestling business, or just listened to Corny you would know wrestling was already mainstream long before Hogan. It got more viewers in the 50s than any time in Hogans career.
*No he wasn't. Vince was already on the verge to make wrestling mainstream & was ultimately responsible after Black Saturday. Flair & Kerry VE turned down Vince in '83 when they had more buzz than Hogan did in AWA. Thus Hogan was Vince's third & successful choice. Vince just needed a guy because he was already taking advantage of cable & closed-circuit TV.*
No, he just helped monopolize the industry for Vince. Then tried it again in another company where only he was allowed to have the title. The only reason he's worse than Cena is because he can't stop acting racist.
It was already mainstream, he just helped make one company national.
Hogan going on Saturday Night Live was huge. Also being in Rocky was huge as well. There was a reason Saturday Night's Main Event came to be.
Don't forget his guest appearance in The A-Team 🔥🔥🔥💪🏽
Or his cover appearance on Sports Illustrated.
Honky Tonk Man used to say it, and I agree. You go anywhere in the world, people know three things. The current president of the US, Coca-Cola, and Hulk Hogan. I can't imagine any other wrestler holding that spot.
Undertaker.
@@LegendKiller14196 the only one that comes close is the rock.
Even people that have no idea about wrestling know
Hogan and the rock
The rock stone cold, john cena and rick flair too was well known all over the world
@@theunknown7441 its the rock hogan and cena.
The others arent know in the same global level.
A villager in rural africa wont know ric flair, or austin. But I guarantee he will know hogan, rock or cena.
@@LegendKiller14196 😂😂😂 Yeah okay
Love how travis heckle did a Hulk Hogan cartoon design Hulk Hogan's rock'n wrestling
Came to comment this, now I don't have to.
Hes talented... i would like to see him animate some of Corny's stories
Same that show was awesome when I was a kid
Trying to downplay Hulk Hogans cultural significance in any way is ridiculous. Ask anyone over 35 in the world to name a wrestler. It will not be the Rock. It will not be Stone Cold Steve Austin. It will be Hulk Hogan. I was around in the 80s and that is just facts. He was the most recognizable sports figure in the world besides for Muhammad Ali and maybe Michael Jordan after 1988.
Elijah Chester Thomas its hard to explain to someone under 30 how big Hogan was in the mid to late 1980s.
You're right. Jim can do what he does best and shit on things, but at one time if you said professional wrestling the first thing that popped into the average person's head was Hulk Hogan. He was world wide famous beyond just wrestling.
If you ask in México Hogan will never be mentioned because he was only big in Japan and USA.
In the world? A proportion are going to invoke Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks, there.
@Mr. Triple Crown I've heard that Europe loves those El Santo movies lol
As a kid in the 80s, nothing was bigger than Hulk Hogan chopping down a giant. His promos pumped us up and he had huge pops entering the ring, coming back to win, and then celebrating.
In the 80's nothing was bigger
Efffff hogan
Hulk is one of the most recognized people AND pop culture characters in the world, he is bigger than wrestling.
Hogan was the reason 5 year old me got into wrestling in 1985.
What about danks
I'm in Maine, so we got WWF in the Northeast obviously. When my tiny town got cable, it was right in the middle of the Rock & Wrestling connection crossover halftime shows of the SuperBowl on MTV & the cartoon etc., so I'm right there with you! 5 in 85 myself lol. Once we got TBS on our version of cable I watched at 6:05 too and most of the actual wrestling admittedly was better. But, it I always, even as a kid, used the analogy of NWA/WCW was a country back road, unpaved and WWF was the tarred highway. Both have their absolute purpose and are enjoyable.
Hulk Hogan is one of the top most recognized and famous people alive today. This is not even something you can argue, its pure fact. Nearly every one on our planet knows who he is and what he looks like. Why on earth Cornette is downplaying this is beyond me.
Well he putting it from his point of view instead of how his legacy would be seen by most people.
"nearly every one on our planet"? Lol, I know everyone who knows the Rock from kids to Senior citizens, none of them know who Hulk Hogan is. Heck I didn't even know who Hulk Hogan was until his match with the undertaker on judgement day 2002.
Because Cornette is a NWA mark.
@@aeso3555 Hulk Hogan is the only wrestler synonymous with the entire industry. If you had never heard of him until some match with The Undertaker then you lived a pretty sheltered life.
@@quentinkaasa47 lol, living in a third world country and having barely any access to TV in the early days is somehow sheltered. Wow. People in the US take what they have for granted. GO ask someone who lives in Siberia, Tibet or Mongolia who Hulk Hogan is. Just because he was popular in the western world doesn't mean he was a god all over the world. This is not a diss on Hogan's impact on wrestling or his popularity, but to say the "nearly everyone on the planet" is a gross exaggeration. People back in my home think of the Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Undertaker and Triple H when they think of wrestling because that's when they had access to proper TV.
"Did Hogan really take the business any place it had never been before?"
Uhh, yeah.
He did it twice with two different companies in two different decades.
The attitude era/Austin or NWO would have never happened if Hogan simply choose to retire.
@@balser77 yeah, and let's be really honest, the only people who still thought wrestling was real in the 80s were those not paying attention, rubes, and children.
Austin drew the most. Austin the GOAT
@@charliebobandas6794 Hogan drew the most and did it more years
Is he really serious? I was waiting for him to say the Midnight Express were greater than Hogan.
They couldn't stand next to the Quebecers
He can’t be objective
I agree with you mostly Corny but not this time. You are dillusional if you don't give Hulk Hogan the proper credit he deserves, like him or hate him.
It seemed like a fair review. What specifically is Jim not giving Hulk credit for?
@@piperar2014 Hulks work in Japan was great he's not known for his work in Japan but once you see his promo work in Japan and how different he was compared to what he was in AWA and WWF.
@@piperar2014 The fact that wrestling enjoyed a secondary boom in the mid 80's and yes, by proxy, the NWA got a bump too because Hogan made pro wrestling more accessible to everyone. I was watching NWA in Fresno, California because they independent station saw the numbers they got for Championship Wrestling (then Superstars) and decided they wanted more of it, so they got the syndication for NWA WorldWide, then Pro. Hogan's enormous reach enabled that. There was no distinction of WWF style 'entertainment' and the NWA 'rasslin' here on the West Coast. It was just an extra hour of pro wrestling on Saturday, which was awesome.
@@colonelkenpachi5009 good. Not great.
@Joe Greene I seem to remember a match with a log roll being taken seriously a fireball going off in someone's face. A match I will never forgive for pretty much killing the fireball in this country while making the rog roll a move kids on the indies did until quarantine. I also recall before the nWo there was this program with this group called The Dungeon Of Doom.
Who had their own cartoon show while Michael Jordan, bo Jackson and Wayne Gretzky shared a cartoon show.
Hammer had a Show.
NKOTB had one.
Everybody had a cartoon in those days.
John Candy, MC Hammer, ALF, the Fonz, Donnie & Marie, etc.
Pro stars was awesome I remember that and right after that wish kid with Macaulay Culkin lol
Sgt Slaughter was a GI Joe
Just a different twist on the matter...Isn't the fact that Hogan is the subject of the question, the video is 10 minutes, and the comments will number in the thousands, enough evidence to keep him in the convo beyond half the guys Corny mentions? Lou Thesz made as much money as other athletes because there was no Nike around to make Wilt Chamberlain the world's highest paid athlete. Hogan made money for himself, his promoter, and......his opponents. The NBA used to be on tape delay before Bird and Magic. Now the benchwarmer on the worst team is essentially set for life. It's about shifting the curve. Hogan did that. Or perhaps most accurate, he was the vessel that was used to make the shift happen.
from children to old people when you think wrestling, you think Hulk Hogan.
Nope.... Ric Flair
@@BranDamBlagg I'm a huge flair fan but name one huge nighttime talk show that Ric Flair appeared on meanwhile Hulk Hogan appeared on Johnny Carson, Jay Leno, Arsenio Hall, Joan Rivers etc...
@Chris Hughes exactly. Grandmas knew who hulk hogan was because he was worldwide,Flair was the south and local television, which is why Jim holds him in high regard because Jim ran Southern promotions
@Bubba Sawyer really I mentioned flair around several non wrestling fans and they are well aware of who he is. Not on Hogan's level of popularity but still I would say Flair's a household name.
When I think of wrestling I think of Austin and The Rock (was born in 1991).
Not giving Hogan enough credit here. He is definitely on the Mount Rushmore of pro wrestling.
@Lord Belial very objective and unbiased and true. This is why he was nicknamed The Brain
Not for me.
Rock and taker have surpassed him in every way.
Hogans political backstage bullshit has diminished his stature a lot with fans who arent blinded by what he did in the 80s.
He never put over anyone and he used his clout to keep others out of the spot.
So did hbk.....but at least hbk in ring performance was so above and beyond anything else that it overshadows his tendency to be an asshole.
The only time I was even remotely entertained by Hogan was as Hollywood Hogan.
Ali was the greatest not just because of his boxing career but because of everything else.
Outside of the ring .....hogan is known as a selfish, backstabbing, egomaniacal doofus .
If I'm doing the mt. Rushmore of professional wrestling
Flair
Rock
Austin
Taker
I'd put dusty, savage and andre before I'd put Hogan back up there
@@madddoggnogood1491 I respect your position but ah you must not know Taker, bc his backstage politics were bigger than Hogan's. If anything he pounced on the political stance with Vince when Hogan went to Atlanta
@@td163
If taker was political...he was extremely bad at it. Because he was never the guy.
@@madddoggnogood1491 No way you can talk about not liking a wrestler for backstage politics and say you like Austin. Stone Cold was notorious for not wanting to put people over to the point he took a break from the company because he wasn't going to get his way. The Rock was always the one willing to put over people. He gave Brock and Goldberg the rub when Austin bulked.
This artwork is awesome. Seeing it drawn in the style of Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling takes me back to a simpler happier time.
Thanks Bro. I appreciate the love. I enjoy when people appreciate my artwork.
I love Jim but when he says Wrestling did bigger numbers on Network tv in the 50's well duh, there were only three channels and limited programming. So comparing Hogan's run to the 50's is like comparing Apples and prunes....
He seems to lack a lot of contextual knowledge outside the wrestling industry. The other pro athletes were poorly paid back then, the owners were just keeping it all. Once baseball broke the reserve clause is when salaries rose
There were several channels (depending on the area) and (originally) four networks (the original fourth one was the DuMont Network [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuMont_Television_Network ] which was the first overall; it was the first one to broadcast wrestling nationally, too, a show called _Wrestling from Marigold_ [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling_from_Marigold ] of the National Wrestling Alliance.)
Jim... Come on... Hogan undeniably brought fans from outside wrestling into wrestling. He was a big pioneer in wrestlers going into movies (Vince favored this but it was blasphemy to Vince Sr). And he was the #1 reason WCW was able to not only pose a legitimate threat to WWF but actually top them in ratings for over a year. As a black man who could easily write Hogan off for some of his remarks, I can easily acknowledge Hulkster DID bring wrestling to places it never been. Brian... if we have to give Vince the credit for Hulk's success because he pushed Hogan than Jim has to give all the credit to Vince for Rock's success in the Attitude Era too. Come on. First time I ever disagreed with Jim's sentiments.
I agree with you 100%. Cornette acting like Hogan wasn't a big deal is comical.
Well said!
And when all those fans, who were children, grew up a bit they stopped watching.
He wasn't the first pro-wrestler to be in movies, not by a long shot.
Hogan was in WCW for years before the NWO happened, if it really was him and him alone, then they wouldn't have taken so long to be successful. Not that it really was successful. WCW only made a profit about 18 months the entire time it existed. Hogan is also one of the main reasons WCW died. So if you're going to give him all the credit for the brief success they did have, then you also need to remember that it was his back stage BS and abusing his creative control clause that caused a lot of the s*** that ran WCW into the ground.
@@RyanAcidhedzMurphy lol. Hogan was why they turned a profit at all and that was before NWO. Quit reading bullshit on the internet
@@RyanAcidhedzMurphy Ted Turner selling WCW is why it died
Hogans ring psychology was off the charts, his charisma was always a major pull, he looked like a god, he did everything well.
Hulk Hogan was on the cover of Sports Illustrated in 1985. How many other pro wrestlers can claim that?
Came for this comment. Thank you!!!
@@ErwalDeeas 👍
Not fucking Jim Londos, that's for sure.
Lots of models were on the cover of Sports Illustrated. It doesn't mean anything.
@@RyanAcidhedzMurphy Having the same argument in every comment thread doesn't mean anything.
It kills me when ppl act like Hogan wasn't the biggest star in pro wrestling!
He might have been one of the biggest stars period in the world. I mean even today, everybody at least knows the name Hulk Hogan
That would be Stone Cold Steven Austin
The young dumb generation gonna say Stone Cold or Rock🤦🏾♂️
@@thefreakyrobber0 Dude Rock and Austin are right there as the biggest names in wrestling
@Charming Billy And how many people know who he is?
It’s funny how Cornette tries to undersell the impact of Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior. They dominated the entire landscape. They were more popular than Austin and The Rock. Every second of their matches were electric.
"You (Vince McMahon) took Hulk Hogans blood and build Titan Towers" - Paul Heyman
Heyman with his mouth was gasoline thrown into a burning fire. That line was blazing
and Bruno Sammartino
That was his best promo ever
@@knuke9596 that was his father
If Heyman made the same promo today like in 2001, he would also add "you took the Undertakers streak and made the WWE Network."
Wouldn’t Hogan be the first big time merch seller in wrestling? I know there was merch before him but it seemed like when he blew up in WWF it was the first time you would see wrestling shirts/merch in public.
El Santo maybe did that before anyone else.
@ShadowAngel What part of Europe? For example, I just recently learned Spain has quite a wrestling fanbase (the call wrestling "pressing catch" for some reason lol) and of course we have the U.K.
@@RandalfElVikingo dunno about pressing, but catch probably refers to catch wrestling.
@Scottish It was the same thing in Ontario, Canada. Hulk Hogan was wrestling to us as kids, we didn't know anything else about wrestling or the business of wrestling. I remember the figures were huge at school, and we used to collect the trading cards that came with a stick of gum. I remember Steamboat was very popular also because he was the IC champ and he looked like Bruce lee with bigger muscles, and the British Bulldogs were tag champs and beloved, and Andre was most feared and respected.
Not sure about other areas of Canada, I know Montreal had a long history of wrestling and local promotions, but most of my cousins who grew up in that area had the WWF figures, we used to argue who would win in a real fight, Hogan or Mike Tyson, and usually would decide Hogan would win, that's how impactful the WWF marketing machine was at brainwashing kids.
I think Calgary area was different with Stampede wrestling, but Vince took most of their top guys by that time, The Bulldogs where already the top WWF team and the Hart Foundation were top tag team heels already.
@ShadowAngel Even Bret said that wrestlers used to shake his hand and thanked him for putting food on their table. You make money being on his cards and working with Hogan
Jim’s view will always be skewed on Hulk because he is the one that helped destroy all the territories. Hogan is by far the biggest name in wrestling and that isn’t debatable (except maybe the Rock). Jim just hated the WWE version of wrestling
Indeed
Cornette knows it to, just doesn't want to admit it.
Lord Belial there is a reason for that. Hulk can cut a promo and get the crowd going nuts, but the dude just can’t act 😂😂. Although, I still think suburban commando is hilarious
@@jasonbowser5754 the Rock can't act either. He's the same bland character in all his movies
eliborio camacho I disagree. Wow sometimes I think he is bland, he can put in a good performance. I thought he was extremely effective in gridiron gang.
Jim is completely wrong on this one. Hogan was the biggest draw, best face and best heel, first household name, poster boy for all types of merchandise back in the 80s. Pay per view buy rates were huge when he was wrestling, not to mention he sold out arenas for over 2 decades
Hold on hold on.... Hogan completely changed the business. We can talk about promoters etc, but then you can't talk about Austin, rock or flair because either way there was a Promoter pushing them. But Hogan is the most famous name in the wrestling business. Long after he's gone, Hogan Will be the name people remember. From sports illustrated, to SNL, TV shows, products, cartoon shows and ppv records and moments. This is wayy off. Austin fizzled out fast and Cena came in and became the number one guy but didn't move the needle. This isn't the take I thought Cornette would have.
Yes, changed it for the worse. From a business with over a dozen territories in the US alone, with hundreds of wrestlers making good livings, some of them pulling down 6 figures a year... to a tiny minority making a lot of money while everyone else has to struggle to make ends meet. Not that there are anywhere near as many people working in the pro wrestling business anymore.
As for fans, there used to be options, now there are not. But I guess you like not having options.
"Wrestling was on network TV in the 50's, and with bigger viewership..."
Hogan vs. Andre on NBC in '88 drew 33 million viewers - still the all-time record for televised pro wrestling in America and more than anything in the NWO era in WCW, the Attitude Era in the WWF, or any other time in history. There probably wasn't 33 million television sets in America when pro wrestling was airing in the 50's.
Cornette always elevates the territory days and diminishes the 80's WWF era. Even when he puts other guys over Hogan, he has to qualify it with saying they were better than Hogan "...for their day", or "for that time". Hogan was a bigger draw than all but MAYBE 1-3 wrestlers in the history of the business, and there's a credible argument that he might be #1 all-time.
To diminish or downplay his legacy as "neither here nor there" just makes Corny look silly.
That's cornettes MO, everything is inferior or shit
I think it's clear he meant a combined viewership across local markets. Not everyone watching on show but everyone watching lots of different shows. Also there were more than 33 million TVs in the us in the 50s easily.
That's the problem. Some people legit believe that Bret hart was bigger than Hogan at one point.
No one even Austin or Rock for that matter has been close to Hogan. Hogan was the top guy from 83 till 2000. He was the most bankable wrestler from 1983 to 1992. Then 1994 to 1997 no one was even close to him. 1998 and 1999 were Hogans final days to be at top. But Austin was a top draw in 1998 and even Goldberg. Rock and Austin dominated wrestling 1999 to 2002. But Hogan was the GOAT. Hogan vs Shawn Michaels drew nearly 7 lakh PPV buyrates. That was one of the highest PPV buyrates post 2000s.
NorthJerseyJabroni Hogan is number one because he sold out more enormous houses with his name alone, in more eras.
People can bring up Texas Stadium, and that was a huge amount, but it didn’t sell out. Hogan sold out a random Toronto show with 64,000 people in 86
Remember Georgia Dome in 98? That was 40,000 plus
Austin and Rock were enormous...for one era. Hogan was for two and stole a moment for a third
@Mr. Triple Crown He didn't draw well anywhere. That's the reason he just says I was very over or popular with the fans in Europe, Canada etc. Because if he says that he drew great then you need to ask him for proofs.
The reason Vince always tried to replace Bret is because Bret wasnt bankable. Luger was close to becoming a champion in 93 and 94 when Bret played politics getting support from Patt Paterson, Brisco and other veterans. Then he sucked and Vince put the title on Diesel because of Shawn. They didn't even give luger a fair chance.
I believe if Luger would have been champion in 1993 then Bret and Shawn would have been jobbing Sting and Hogan in WCW on Nitro in 1995 or later.
I love Corny but he is wrong about Hogan. Hogan was a major positive and the single greatest force in the history of this industry. Ask the Rock or anyone of that ilk. Heck, ask his contemporary Ric Flair!
I have to agree. Hogan was the guy who made wrestling MAINSTREAM. We lived in Europe when I was a kid and even MY DAD, who had never been in the United States nor did he watch wrestling, KNEW who Hulk Hogan was.
And to call out Corny: If the whole "Hulkamania" thing was UNIQUE to Hulk Hogan and nobody else could have pulled it off, then why did he say that "Hogan didn't invent anything new?" HE JUST DID: HULKAMANIA! (Well, the fans did it, but still.)
I think this is all just putting Hulk down because it's "cool" to pick on Hulk these days. I'll admit it: Terry Bollea, the person, is a douchebag but Hulk Hogan, the character, WORKED.
I agree. I think Corny is sometimes guilty of looking at things purely through his own lens and what his taste in pro Wrestling is. I think Hogan and the WWF changed the business for the better. You can't really blame him for the state of wrestling today. There's a lot of reason why modern wrestling stinks, very little of it to do with Hogan and the 80's cartoon era.
@@Revolutionary642 You can laugh, bu I'll say this: If Vince and Hogan didn't get together to do business, NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE TALKING ABOUT WRESTLING, let alone be having this conversation.
might be. but corny is talking from the perspective of someone that wants to see wrestling in 2020 at the same level as it was in the late 70's to mid 80's so yeah he'll knock hogan because he sees him and vince mcmahon as the pivotal forces that ended the territories and by extension everything else- leading us right to where we are now. and i cant even hate on him for that. thats why i watch fair vs funk or tully vs magnum once a week...
@@ladadavidson7926 No. Wrestling business wouldn't have been exposed negatively thanks to Hogan, Vince, infamous curtain call, Montreal Screw job, and you won't have awful WWE product today as well as the pro wrestling territories.
The greatest icon in wrestling, brother. Love him or hate him.
Hulk Hogan's wrestling legacy is that he is the embodiment of the phrase "You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain".
Years ago hogan was in the top 3 of most famous people in the world. Still one of the recognized people in the world. No wrestler had the longevity that hogan has
If it wasnt for hogan there would be no podcasts about wrestling or anything. Hogan is the man.
Yes, yes, and All The Marbles would have never happened without Hogan either right? And there would definitely be no WWF. And now NWA, or AWA. Or Super Star Billy Graham. And Muhammad Ali would have never heard of Gorgeous George, and Classie Blassie definitely wouldn't have had a song on the radio, and Jessie Ventura wouldn't be a conspiracy theorist who ran for office. And Bill Apter would not have had a magazine. And Big Daddy Lipscomb would have never wrestled during football's offseason.
Come on now. You can like Hulk Hogan but let's not get ridiculous.
@@insupportofjunhado The guy you replied to was right so all the drivel you wrote was all of for naught
@@juice4080 And Billy Graham, definitely no Billy Graham.
@@juice4080 Saying someone is right, doesn't make it true.
Corny is way off on this take Hogan transformed wrestling
Steroids in wrestling has be around before
@@adamwebb1987 It's not just that. Hogan was larger than life. He was a superhero.
No he destroyed wrestling. Cartoon wrestling is the reason why the business is on it ass today.
Paul A fat goofy manager carrying a tennis racquet while getting beaten up in comedy spots was like the definition of a cartoon
@@SuperMarry23 if it wasn't for hulkamania wrestling would've been a dead sport years ago
Hogan ushered in two renaissance periods of wrestling, he kick started the golden era of WWE and then gave traction to the Monday Night Wars. He was the prefect leader for the NWO and countered Vince McMahons product. Once Vince’s ally now his arch nemesis. If WCW didn’t fold, Hogan still would’ve been apart of it in some capacity. Wrestling needed Hogan to jump ship to revive again. TNA tried to use Hogan to upstart it’s brand but it failed, but Hogans contributions will always be positive. He influenced so many wrestlers such as the Rock, Cena, Edge etc. We need more wrestler who were inspired by him so they can learn from his charisma.
Efffff hogan
HULK HOGAN
was the
AMERICAN SPIRIT
in the 1980's
he was the
RED , WHITE & BLUE
Hogan, with McMahon's backing, brought wrestling to a national spotlight. However, he did untold damage with his selfishness and abuse of creative control.
Seriously, though, old man yelling at cloud Cornette talking about how many people Hogan ran off for "making it a cartoon" is a fucking drop in the bucket compared to the new fans that era brought in is crazy.
To be fair, you are asking a guy who was on the other team competing against him every week
I love that the drawing is of Hogan's cartoon image from the Rock n Wrestling Saturday morning show. Which alone makes my argument...the man was literally bigger than wrestling. But anyway, you can say whatever you want about Terry Bollea the person. That's ALL VALID. But Hulk Hogan was SYNONYMOUS with professional wrestling. If you didn't know or care about the business, you knew who Hulk Hogan was. I went to a WCW show in my hometown of Fresno...one and only time the old NWA came this way, my mom asked, "Is Hulk Hogan gonna be there?" She hated wrestling and couldn't care less. But she knew who Hulk Hogan was. The tearing down of his legacy in the business is nonsense. Ask the people who ran with him...the Orndorff's, the Muraco's, the Bundy's, etc...guys who wrestled everywhere but saw the most 0's on their checks when in programs with Hogan. He was THE GOLDEN GOOSE. 35 years later, still the only pro wrestler on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Still the only man to main event eight WrestleMania's. 33 million people watching wrestling on a Friday night in February (no Corny, the Dumont network was NOT getting those kinds of ratings). He's forever the gold standard because he took his star WITH HIM. For all the talk about McMahon...he knew he already had a megastar on his hands when he secured Hogan. There was no "Ringmaster" element to Hogan from 1981 to 2000...he was a or THE top guy in the business. No one comes close to that.
He was the top guy in the WWF in the 80's. But by smart fans he will never thought of as the best guy.
33 million people didn't even own a TV when the Dumont network existed. It's completely disingenuous to compare raw numbers without factoring ratios.
@@iammine8117 and Jim Londos didn't sell out buildings the size that Hogan did. Londos was somewhat a national star but not a worldwide celebrity like Hulk Hogan.
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Corny really undersold how important Hogan was. I don't care what he is saying. No one was as popular at any time as Hogan was in the 80s. It's just not even close. And Vince wouldn't have been able to do what he did crushing all the territories without Hogan.
Give hogan his props. He created a wave that gives us reasons to talk about stuff today. I don’t believe anyone before him drew more money. Jim be hating on the “sports entertainment “ transition that kept wrestling going. It had to happen based on the evolution of society /technology
Plenty of people drew more money before him. He just listed one of them in this video, and I can name three more...although they wouldn't be "fair" comparisons they still existed. But sure, "believe" Hogan drew more money than Thesz and The Blue Demon, who themselves aren't even the biggest draws in professional wrestling history.
Without Hulk Hogan you don't have Hulkamania. Without Hulkamania you don't have the 80s wrestling boom that took the sport mainstream and Hollywood. You never get WCW NWO. You don't get the Monday night wars forcing WWE into the Attitude Era. You likely don't get Stone Cold Steve Austin. You don't get The Rock. None of this would exist without Hulk Hogan. He is the single most important figure behind Vince McMahon himself who has shaped and molded the business to what it is. Vince McMahon would have never been able to take his company public had it not been for Hulk Hogan going against him and the WWE.
Agreed.
My real life last name is Hogan, and all of my life, people have asked me if I was related to the Hulkster. Stupidly, I always said no. If only I would have ribbed the randoms in school who thought I was Hulk Hogan's nephew/kid. Oh well!
Should have worked the marks, brother!
I usually agree with Corny, but he's being ridiculous here. Hogan is the biggest wrestling name of all time. Who's the guy they're talking about who was a bigger draw? Corny couldn't even remember his name. So I've never heard of him because he peaked in the 30's? Trust me, 90 years from know wrestling fans (if there is professional wrestling) will know the name Hulk Hogan. Even my parents, who couldn't give two shits about wrestling, know who Hulk Hogan is. They have no clue who Steve Austin is. And Jim, you know back in those days pro sports athletes weren't given the same insane contracts they receive now. You can't even compare that. Jim being a "wrestling historian" really dropped the ball on this one.
I agree with you both. Hogan is the biggest ever, even though he was piece of shit & a boring wrestler.
This. But id argue Rock is in the same category as Hogan as being recognised by people who know absolutely nothing about pro wrestling.
No one knows who Austin, HHH or Foley are. But mention Hogan or Rock and they instantly click.
@@herpderp7264 That is true, but how many people really know that Rock used to be a wrestler? In my country it's rare for the media to ever mention that he is former wrestler. If he never went to Hollywood, people wouldn't know him. He got his fame (above Hogan level) from acting, not from wrestling.
@@herpderp7264 Yes of course. The Rock is one of the most recognizable people on earth.
People who know nothing about WW2, still know who Hitler was. Having a name people recognize, doesn't mean anything.
Hulk Hogan took wrestling to the next level of mainstream people who didn't watch wrestling knew who Hulk Hogan was & tuned into wrestling because of him
C'mon man, who the fuck is Londis? If you can't even remember him, how can you say Hogan wasn't as big?
When I was a kid Hulk Hogan was pop culture. No argument about it. I seen lots of people come later and pretend he wasn't that big but the dude was so huge. If they had the internet and all that back then, I think he would have been the biggest draw ever. But apples and oranges.
Ted Bell 40 years later, 97 percent of people still link Hulk Hogan with pro wrestling.
Watch the three weeks of crowds in London, England in 2011 with TNA and tell me Hogan still couldn’t draw.
Hogan IS the biggest draw ever. What revisionist like Cornette who blow Steve Austin do is fudge the numbers. Austin drew the most money on PPV. No shit, more people had PPV access in 1999 than in 1988. Austin's highest PPV buyrate was an impressive 1.5. Hogan's was an 8.0. Austin sold more merch. Yeah, sure he did. Austin basically had T-shirts, Hogan's face was on EVERYTHING in the 1980s and you could only get most of it through a mail order catalog. He had his own freaking cartoon, that's how popular he was. Nothing that ANYBODY ever did in WWF after Hogan comes close to WM3 and the rematch in 1988. To most people in the general population, Steve Austin is the 6 million dollar man played by Lee Majors.
Efffff hogan
@@StrikeTeam0316 More like efffff you
Sorry Jim, I don’t even know the other guys you named but I definitely know Hulk Hogan. He’s a household name.
This is the problem when your entrenched and obsessed with something. You start to lose a grip on reality and your perspective becomes distorted. Any purist of any hobby, interest etc etc. is the last person you want to ask for advice on that topic . Cornette can't grasp wrestling for what it is.
Because Coronet loves Southern wrestling which is about as entertaining as watching paint dry
In my country everybody knows the name Hulk Hogan even people who never really watched wrestling that's how big he is
speaking from south africa, people knew who hulk hogan was in the 80s and early 90s and the majority of people had never seen a wrestling match.
You can tell Corny really knows that Hogan is the biggest most important name in the history of wrestling, he just doesn't want to admit it
Exactly
Bro, Hogan deserves more credit than this. He was the face of wrestling not just a territory.
Lloyd Bonafide Hogan drew more than Flair.
Jim, I love watching your videos (more the legacy stuff rather than the modern AEW/WWE product), but man, can't you give Hogan ANY dues at all?
Anybody who hasn’t seen Hogan vs. Muta in Japan go find it now.
I wish the American audience cared as much about work rate as the Japanese do
@@zakrowe1301 It's different strokes. America loves guys who can talk and are charismatic. In Japan, its more of the physicality that sells the product.
I saw one of Hulk's Japanese matches. It turns out Hogan could work. It's kind of a shame he didn't do more of that state side.
Hogan vs Inoki in 1983 is a much better one.
@@ericdale4641 hogan was smart, he played the songs the people would like, in Japan he wrestled and got over in America he posed and cuped the ear and got over so its more on the fans than it's on the talent.
Hulk Hogan was an atomic bomb. WWF used him to destroy other territories then WCW used him to destroy WWE
Hogan was still his best during the NWO era.
100%
I disagree and I was a massive Hulk Hogan fan in the 80s. I think by the time the nWo came about he was washed up.
He could cut a promo, and always will, but he had had multiple knee and hip replacement surgeries, as well as back surgeries. The nWo kept him around several years past his sell by date.
unfortunate son, I would even extend that into his first year in WCW. That’s when he started showing his age to me.
There's just no truth to that. From '84 to about '90 Hogan was the "it guy" in wrestling (from a mainstream perspective). When WCW signed him in '94, Hogan's mystique had already dwindled if you ask me. It only became big news bc WCW signed an iconic WWF figure. His WWF stint gave him that 'iconic' label - his WCW run gave him life. As much as I enjoyed his heel work with NWO, it didn't change the landscape of the business like Hulkamania. Close, but not quite.
That was the only time I was even remotely entertained by him.
What is impressive was Hulk's wrestling ability when he was in Japan and before WWE.
yes, him vs Muta - good times
I know right, I didn't think the "Brother" had it in him. I feel cheated that he was holding out on us.
@ShadowAngel ...and that is unfortunate. It's too bad he couldn't bring his wrestling skills out once in a blue moon for bigger matches.
@ShadowAngel Hogan probably felt he needed to test the waters with WCW, because before Bischoff took over it was less about the spectacle and more about the craft. Also despite Flair's "routine man" criticisms the man did have a high standard for ring work. Hogan probably wanted to meet him halfway. It probably didn't get much of a reaction because most of the people in the crowd were probably fans that only bought his WWF routines.
That being said, Austin was a competent wrestler. He threw the Stunner around in promos, but when it came to working a match he was confident enough to go in there and work a solid match to lead up to the Stunner. I think Goldberg diminishes his finishers and makes a joke of himself when that's all he uses in a match. They may sell but eventually even Americans will get bored with it.
Remember when he called the wwe championship a toy lol
Hogan DID make wrestling mainstream, I'm surprised Jim denies this.
He did. I remember back in those days, I could ask people who didn't watch pro wrestling nor gave a shit about it, but they would almost always know one name.
Hulk Hogan.
That says everything we need to know. He was huge at that point in time, nobody else was close.
You can ask people who aren't into history if they know the name Hitler, they will say yes. Being well known doesn't mean anything.
A lot of people know the name Dennis Rodman, was he a great basketball player? No, if memory serves he wasn't that good at all. He was just flashy and flamboyant.
A lot of people know who BTS is, does that make them any good. No, they are typical, manufactured KPOP garbage designed to appeal to teenage girls.
@Bryan Bradley for us Indians, it was the Undertaker.
Efffff hogan
The hate Hulk Hogan is getting is undeserving. People are such hypocrites and ignorant af. You can make an argument for Hogan to have been the biggest babyface and heel in the history of the wrestling industry. If people in germany have to name one wrestler they know, it will be Hulk Hogan.
How many wrestlers can you say had a cartoon show? Hogan was the man
That didn't even last for its entire order and even 30 years later has yet to turn a profit. Yeha well done. That was a vanity project like the movie where vince thought he could get to a younger audience with it.
Hulk Hogan was an international star and household name, as a wrestler, and nobody else even came close.
The Rock is the only one that is coming as close these days and more from his movie career and not from his wrestling career.
The rock has far surpassed Hogan as far as name recognition goes.
Speaking from a wrestling perspective, Hogan was ahead of the Rock and it's not close. Hogan never came close to Rock in Hollywood. But strictly going on wrestling, it's Hogan.
@@davidprater5861 that's true
not really.
C'mon Jim... You're going to compare Hogan's numbers to times when there were 3 total tv channels? How is it that a heel Hogan gets a bigger pop then Rock at WM18... No one could do that except "the icon" of professional wrestling. You can hate him for his personal dealings, his politicing, even his boring wrestling style but it is what it is. Hogan is THE Icon.
Ya, it's not difficult to find actual real shit to criticize Hogan for, there's a ton of it out there, but Jim was in no way objective here
Hogan will always be on the mount rushmore of wrestling. He is the face of all mainstream wrestling. Whether you want to say "blah blah Vince McMahon was doing this." You really think it would have been as successful without Hogan? Itd of been a flop. It was the perfect storm. He took merchandising to the next level with Hulkamania. Nobody else would have been able to do what he did. He is true icon. Whether you liked the guy or not.
I'd rather get paid more to do 4.5 minutes than less and 45 minutes.
And Hogan did both lol
You can't get more over than over. If the crowd pops massive for you doing 5 minute matches and posing in the center of the ring, you do 5 minute matches and pose.
Jake Roberts said it best when he said to work smarter not harder and that’s what Hogan did
@Bubba Sawyer It worked for a short time, then the children grew up.
The Hulkster forever will be the hero of my childhood, he was so big so superhero, so amazing, i still have him over any other wrestling star.
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Flair was better Hogan was bigger
@@johnbarnett2316 flair was bigger hogan was better
Dorks like you made hogan popular.. the dude was lame.. his look was lame, his moves were lame.. dorky little, uncool kids/people made hogan so popular.. even as a 8 yr old I knew hogan was lame
Jim u forget wrestlmania 18
Hogan vs rock
Rock at his peak in wwe getting booed out building
Exactly!!
That is my favorite match of all time. They should’ve just ended it after that match. Nothing has compared since
Rock only got booed because of the stuck in the past Canadians. If 18 had been stateside, Hogan would have been booed more.
@@selfiekroos1777 right. because in chicago, before hogan had a head of steam, the hogan chants were already starting in the face off. It may have been amplified in canada, but anywhere that match takes place the rock gets booed.
As a kid in the 80's....Hogan was completely forced down my throat. I liked him and didn't even know why....he was like Santa Claus lol
Jim Cornette was all over the place in this discussion. “What Hogan was doing was considered classic wrestling”. “The Hogan stuff was all cartoon bull-sh”
When you ask any random stranger on the street to name a pro wrestler, 99% of the time the answer will be Hogan. His backstage politics aside, Hogan is the biggest icon in the history of the business. He’s bigger than wrestling.
20 years ago yes but theres a guy named the rock
I don't think Hogan is a particularly great human being, but he was/is as pop culture and mainstream as Coca-Cola and Mickey Mouse. I'm an Aussie and he and WWF was huge here. The magazine covers, the merch, the cartoon. I had my Hogan figure and t-shirt as a kid. If it wasn't for him wrestling never would have exploded in popularity the way it did and things would be very different to this day.
It's true in Canada too. We got no AWA or other regional wrestling. WWF was enormous. Corny is wrong as can be about this. To him, wrestling's apex was Memphis is 1986.
As much as I’m not a Hogan fan, I think this is a great example of Cornette’s angry old man, get off my lawn persona.
Had there never been a Hulk Hogan, then there is indeed a very serious question as to whether or not wrestling would be as popular as it is today.
Oh no, hulk hogan made way more money than Jordan in the 80s Jordan's contract was like 250k for 4 years. Hogan made that quarterly
Hogan was the reason I started watching wrestling in like 88-89
Just about anyone, if asked to name a legendary wrestler, 9 out of 10 people will name Hulk Hogan first. He was the first wrestler to really crossover into the mainstream consciousness. Never the best, as his skill set was severely limited, but he had the body, the looks, and the Mic skills needed to put himself over.
I think The Rock has took that spot now
Andre was bigger than life first how many wrestlers were on carson the biggest tonight show of that error
@Joe Greene taken
Antonino Rocca would have a word with you. He beat Superman don'tchaknow? Hogan wasn't the first. At best, Hogan is the now, and hasn't been displaced because the business has shrunk since him.
Jim sounds bitter here.
@Cas van der Wal I mean he's not wrong, say what you like about Hogan's accomplishments outside of wrestling, but inside wrestling, is it really difficult for Jim to give Hogan some dues here and there. I get it, it's JIm being Jim, but i'm surprised Brian didn't even try to push back a little on Jim's take tbh
It’s because Jim was working for the competition at the time of Hogan’s peak. Of course he wasn’t going to give Hogan full credit
Totally showing his bias. Hogan will be remembered not as a great wrestler, not as an originator but as the first truly world famous wrestler.
@@kenthegamer Oh yeah, I completely understand that. Jim being the historian that he is though, you'd think on like a pure analytical level, he could see at least on a business level,, that Hogan put a fuckton more 'eyes on the product' so to speak
So he sounds like his normal self lol
Jim Cornette can't simply say Hogan was the biggest icon who paved the way and gave wrestling more mainstream coverage at the time. What he fails to acknowledge is that the casual person (nonwrestling fan) at least knew who Hulk Hogan was more so than Ric flair or anyone else in the business during the 80's and early 90's.
And? Having a lot of people know your name doesn't mean anything. A lot of people know the name Charles Manson.
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I love this podcast but I know hate when I hear it. Hogan was the biggest thing in wrestling during his time. He made it mainstream. Period. That's undeniable. I love all the episodes on Hogan's lies, etc but let's not deny that Hogan was the goat of his time in terms of drawing and elevating the business
Hogan was a marketing dream. He was the first to have the business transcend previous levels. The one to do that before him, was Gorgeous George.
Wow this has to be one of the most incoherent answers from Jim. He contradicts himself a number of times. It’s disappointing that Jim can’t give credit where it’s due when it conflicts with his own worldview on wrestling. Hogan was, is and possibly will be the biggest star wrestling has ever had. Most people still know who Hulk Hogan is and he hasn’t been on tv in years.
Not a Hogan fan, but he absolutely helped change the wrestling landscape.
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It was like a guy who emailed in calling Jim Cornette Corny like he knows him personally🤣its pure cringe tho
really dumb take, Jim
Hogan popularized wrestling across the globe. Without Hogan, wrestling would have stayed small and in territories. He's the reason wrestlers make millions..
And tons more people would have had jobs
@@chrischar9428 And tons more people would be working for $10 .00 a night.
Some people say that the business got smaller when the territories went away, like the Sioux Nation being made of several once great nations that got so beaten down that they had to unite to survive.
@@paulrodney951 that's better than having all 5hat money go towards one man's salary
@@pentelegomenon1175 its true
All over the world, if I say "Wrestling" people will say "Hogan"....... just saying
If Jim cornette had been manager of a stable like bobby the brain,he would have loved hogan and the money he would have made.
Hogan is the GOAT of wrestling,all you bums should be paying him even now
I'm 5 minutes in so far and honestly I'm not hearing any credit being given to Hulk.I dont get that.
He was hugely popular, but that doesn't mean he'll have much of a legacy. Look at a lot of 80s/90s rock acts like Motley Crue, they made a huge amount of cash, but even in rock music specifically you can't look at the modern bands and see any lasting effect of them being there, whereas a band like Faith No More can still be heard in newer bands and how they play. That's not to diminish Motley Crue or Hogan for what they achieved in their time, it's just that legacy is a different concept
@@ishoottheyscore8970 I see where your trying to go with this but it doesn't apply to Hulk fuckin Hogan
I'm 40 and Flair has always been my favorite and even I have no problem saying that Hogan was THE NAME in the 80's! I think Corny only views wrestling and talent from the perspective of what pro wrestling was everywhere except for WWF in Hogan's prime. Corny takes it very personal when the business isn't "protected". In Cornette's eyes, once you've exposed the business he can't really give you credit for anything except making the business less like what he goes to such great lengths to try and protect.
Corny holds a grudge against anyone who exposed or exposes the industry. Hogan did it at its mainstream peak.
Efffff hogan
I don't think Jim is necessarily giving Hogan his due here. Hogan took wrestling to the mainstream.
He didn't. The first television star was Gorgeous George. Not first wrestling star, first television star. Wrestling was already mainstream. Hogan promote himself more than wrestling. And you could say WWF was the first wrestling company to be mainstream, but that was because people used to care more about professional wrestling itself rather than individual enterprises within the wider business.
AJ, you are right. Hogan brought wrestling MAINSTREAM. MTV, SNME, 92k in Pontiac, etc. He helped Vince almost make the territories extinct. Then he went to WCW and had another run as a heel and almost put Vince out of business. No one has impacted the sport in terms of its place in pop culture more than Hulk Hogan.