Careful when fighting against Voyager. If you hit the galley with a quantum torpedo it will ignite the gas Neelix uses for cooking and detonate Janeway's coffee pods, taking out the entire Delta quadrant.
This is where the AI shows the seams. You're pummeling the E at point blank range with quantum torpedoes and pulse phasers to a collapsed side of its shields and it continues to fire on Voyager.
@@kaanottawhich leads me to continue wondering why no one has made a newer version/sequel that ISN'T an indy mod of the original. Don't get me wrong, some of these Indy remasters are incredible, but I think there is high enough demand for a developer to make a modernized version of this game with functional multiplayer, and all of the features that modders have added over the years. Including current gen AI.
@@teamdoghouse82880 I am a huge fan of these Bridge Commander videos, as are all of these viewers. Unfortunately, from a gaming perspective, I don't think there is a real demand for any kind of sequel.
@@chrischandler9553 that's just sad. People really don't care about quality anymore, do they? Lol. BC was one of the greatest Trek games of all time. I went out and bought a new laptop just to play this game alone. In my old age, I am not even much of the gamer, but I will still drop what I'm doing for a few rounds of Star Trek Bridge Commander.
Should do a Delta Quadrant, Voyager and Equinox team up. See how some of Voyagers battles might have gone if the Equinox survived and they had travelled together.
Without the alien serial killer warp drive, the fully functional Equinox had a max speed of warp 8. Fun as Voy seasons 8-11 would have been, you gotta imagine not being able to run would start to wear on Janeway.
This is where good AI can really shine. The "They'll never expect this" reversal of techniques. They could really employ TTC (tactics, techniques, procedures) aspects to AI and it give a good framework for adopting new behaviours on the fly.
Whats ironic about this fight is that two of the Defiant's crew have served with Picard, Worf and O Brian. Makes one wonder whose side they'd be on in this fight.
Without a single shadow of doubt they would pick Picard. They both have far to much loyalty, respect, admiration, and love for Picard to pick any other captain over him.
You came upon my feed and I watched a video and fell in love. You got a subscription. love the videos! PS: Can you do battles against structures like DS9 in particular because I can come up with a ton of ideas if you can?
Result tracks. If ignored, Defiant can and should be able to penetrate conventional target defenses. Intrepid was never intended to solo cruisers and battleships with advanced weapons. Both ships fill significant roles in the overall fleet. Sovereign leads fleets but was advanced to respond to most situations without help from smaller, specialized friends. Small enough to be built in greater numbers than the larger star cruisers and heavy explorers, but still handle most of their mission profile.
was this using stock intrepid specs, or Voyager after it's delta quadrant upgrades? Either way, it's surprisingly even (considering the difference in torpedo firepower here)
It’s too bad the game doesn’t allow for splitting targeting up or even a fire at will button to make all phasers and torpedos fire on the closest ship in their field of fire. If the AI had access to this mode the first fight would have been very challenging.
The Ent E seems to completely ignore the Defiant in that first fight. The E should really be able to beat both these ships especially if it is the refit E.
😨Jeepers Admiral. first battle was hard to watch gosh.. I would say too, the AI didn't use much tactics hmm odd. lol. and second well. I know Voyager takes hits and somehow heals lol but the Defiant, like they mention, had too much power and for a small ship, like in the show, got damage fast, and Dr. Basir, found it small and tight lol. I did love it but when saw the Akira, I changed lol. the Ent E. well. Geordi said it, '' The most advanced starship in Starfleet'' at the time. so. hmm.. lol How did you separated Picard and the fishies lol. first Borg and Fish, gosh wonder wants next.. oh yes Part Android gosh he really went through all the changes eeh.. 😊🖖
Sorry, but Voyager definitely gets the win. A ship who spend years in the delta quadrant, fight borg and so many species, only to get back without a single scratch on the ship. 😂😂😂😂
Hi, nice match up, but there's absolutely no way that those two ships could cope with the fire power that the Enterprise E could bring to bare. The computer really doesn't use it correctly.
its also clear here this mods Sovereign is undertuned compared to intrepid and Defiant. Sovereign can fire lots more torpedoes than that, and has shield strengths more than double a galaxy, while neither an intrepid nor a defiant have the shields of a galaxy, let alone a sovereign.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 I completely agree, I think a factory stock Sovereign would rain hurt on those two without too much problem, I love these match up's, but I think the game seriously underestimates some of the ships power, the Defiant is a good ship, but on its own absolutely no match for some of the ships, if you want my honest opinion I think it was lucky in the scuffle with a Excelsior Class, I know they were supposed to be holding back, but I also think the Excelsior was as well, if was to be a blood bath I think that ship could have seriously hurt Defiant before it went down.
The Defiant class... It was never shown or fully exploited but the Defiant class was never meant to go in to battle as a single ship, they were meant to operate in groups of 3-5 ships working on a single target together. That's why they were made small, maneuverable, and heavily armed... Instead of 1 powerful sovereign class to target you get multiple aggressors, much smaller in size, making them harder to target, but pack the same or bigger punch than the bigger ship. Why they were never shown in this pack role as they were intended is by far beyond me. In my opinion if you wanted to truly test the sovereign class you would pit it against multiple defiant class (nx defiant, sauPaul, and valiant) ships
I said, "Holy crap!" with my eyes widened when you destroyed the Enterprise-E. Yup O'Brien was quick on repairing the sensors lol. However you finished them off quickly. I have to agree that the computer didn't utilize the Enterprise-E the first time around which was interesting to say the least. I also agree that it's a vastly superior ship compared to the Defiant and Voyager. As you said they have more power to work with than the Defiant and their weaponry is more advanced than Voyager's. Especially when it got the upgrades during the Dominion War and even more so after Nemesis. I know that John Eaves has said he really wanted the Nemesis version to be the Insurrection version as well. However it didn't happen. I wanna say Insurrection is in a slightly different reality. As they changed the bridge for stupid reasons and that Troi said, "I've never kissed you with a beard before." Even though she had in TNG.
That's interesting about Insurrection. I like the idea of it being in a different reality. Something about that entire movie was just, off.. Like you say, continuity issues and the famous Joystick incident, lol 🖖
Sovereign should stomp both with ease. Voyager officially had type 8 phasers, much weaker than the Galaxy type 10 and nothing like the Sovereign type 12.
As much as the Intrepid class is my favourite design of ship, it is the weakest of these three ships in combat. However, if she was armed with quantum torpedoes, plated with Defiant style armour, and equipped with regenerative shields, Voyager would probably come in first place.
Do a Voyager and the,Klingon Battlecruiser thry met together uf they were not stupid enought blow it uo like they were. Hiw woukd they have got on? Also a Dominion V the Borg. Tgat woukd be cool.
This is what I don't like about these games. Canonically the Enterprise E has better ablative armor than the Defiant does yet it isn't factored into the game. Also the real battle here is a weak game AI vs an experienced human player. With these ships the human should win every time.
What bothers me a little about the game is that the weapons only fire one-dimensionally. Actually, the Enterprise could have attacked both the Voyager and the Defiant at the same time.
Picard was never a great tactician. His strength was in his diplomacy. Janeway is a veteran of the Cardassian war and probably one of the smartest ops based officers ever. Sisko is the indispensable man in military conflict, always tripping over events with celestial assistance and his hatred for Picard is second to none. I think a combined effort of Janeway and Sisko would prevail. And honestly, Voyager is tougher than a Sovereign class in terms of hits it can take. All enterprises suffer from vulnerable engine rooms. Voyager doesn’t have that problem. The defiant may go down… but voyager shot for shot would win.
Yet sisko's defiant was put in it's place by an aging upgraded Lakota while the Defiant did minimal damage to it during the show(which makes it canon that the Defiant is trash). So it's no surprise sisko needs Janway to do anything against the E, lol
I always thought that the Defiant should have done way more damage to the Lakota. That being said, the Defiant is at its strongest when deployed in a wing and not fighting alone, especially at a bigger target.
Okay, not really... The Lakota as tasked with stopping the Defiant and her captain was told everyone onboard was a changeling. Other than not using quantum torpedoes they threw everything they had at the Defiant, including the kitchen sink... The Defiant crew on the otherhand knew the score and knew that they were fighting another misinformed Starfleet crew, therefore they were pulling their punches hoping to end the fight with minimal casualties... So the reality of the situation would have been me telling you to beat up someone half your size with both your hands tied behind your back. The Defiant could have easily taken the aging excelsior refit and destroyed it, they were holding back hoping not to take lives...
@@celestinonataleOkay, not really... The Lakota as tasked with stopping the Defiant and her captain was told everyone onboard was a changeling. Other than not using quantum torpedoes they threw everything they had at the Defiant, including the kitchen sink... The Defiant crew on the otherhand knew the score and knew that they were fighting another misinformed Starfleet crew, therefore they were pulling their punches hoping to end the fight with minimal casualties... So the reality of the situation would have been me telling you to beat up someone half your size with both your hands tied behind your back. The Defiant could have easily taken the aging excelsior refit and destroyed it, they were holding back hoping not to take lives...
If voyager had used the tri cobalt, it would have been lights out. The sovereign is a beast of a ship, thats undeniable. The Defiant will take more pounding and not counting tri cobalt, can deal more damage. Voyager is mary sue, fueled by coffee, and with teeth, but in reality is an overpowered scout ship
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Careful when fighting against Voyager. If you hit the galley with a quantum torpedo it will ignite the gas Neelix uses for cooking and detonate Janeway's coffee pods, taking out the entire Delta quadrant.
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Harry Kim would still be an Ensign
This is where the AI shows the seams. You're pummeling the E at point blank range with quantum torpedoes and pulse phasers to a collapsed side of its shields and it continues to fire on Voyager.
What AI bro this game is as old as natural intelligence let alone artificial intelligence
@@kaanottawhich leads me to continue wondering why no one has made a newer version/sequel that ISN'T an indy mod of the original. Don't get me wrong, some of these Indy remasters are incredible, but I think there is high enough demand for a developer to make a modernized version of this game with functional multiplayer, and all of the features that modders have added over the years. Including current gen AI.
@@teamdoghouse82880 I am a huge fan of these Bridge Commander videos, as are all of these viewers. Unfortunately, from a gaming perspective, I don't think there is a real demand for any kind of sequel.
@@chrischandler9553 that's just sad. People really don't care about quality anymore, do they? Lol. BC was one of the greatest Trek games of all time. I went out and bought a new laptop just to play this game alone. In my old age, I am not even much of the gamer, but I will still drop what I'm doing for a few rounds of Star Trek Bridge Commander.
It's crazy to me that it's 22 years old. I remember getting it on release and playing it on my father's AthlonXP machine. It was amazing.
"I believe he was quite fond of that ship"
"I didn't know we we're getting another defiant class ship!", "That's what happens when you miss staff meethings..."
Divert more coffee to the shields 🤣
Omg that was brilliant
Should do a Delta Quadrant, Voyager and Equinox team up. See how some of Voyagers battles might have gone if the Equinox survived and they had travelled together.
I'd always wondered how it would've been had the Equinox had survived and been repaired.
That's a great idea 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Make it so. 👉
Might be interesting to add Dreadnought to that too.
Without the alien serial killer warp drive, the fully functional Equinox had a max speed of warp 8. Fun as Voy seasons 8-11 would have been, you gotta imagine not being able to run would start to wear on Janeway.
This is where good AI can really shine. The "They'll never expect this" reversal of techniques. They could really employ TTC (tactics, techniques, procedures) aspects to AI and it give a good framework for adopting new behaviours on the fly.
In actual power, the defiants shields would’ve been likely one shot by type 12 phasers the sovereign has
This battle was painful to watch 3 of my favourite ships fighting to the death but it was fun to watch great battle
Turn coat O Brian taking on Picard, tut tut
And Worf.
Also Seven on Voyager.
Well what do you expect for a cheap poor excuse rubbish of a Scotty imitation knockoff?
@@masere Eh, Seven was saved from the Borg by Janeway and Voyager. So if anything Seven would have far greater allegiance to Janeway and Voyager.
Favorite Enterprise Ship, Defiant is a tough little ship, and Voyager needs more coffee to its warp core! Ty for the video and LLAP!
The results are as they should be. The Sovereign class is the absolute pinnacle of Starfleet ship design. My all time favorite by far.
Whats ironic about this fight is that two of the Defiant's crew have served with Picard, Worf and O Brian. Makes one wonder whose side they'd be on in this fight.
Without a single shadow of doubt they would pick Picard. They both have far to much loyalty, respect, admiration, and love for Picard to pick any other captain over him.
1:07 "Now I'm going to cloak..."
Computer, freeze program.
Play the 2nd movement of Mahler's First Symphony.
Resume program.
😁
You came upon my feed and I watched a video and fell in love. You got a subscription. love the videos! PS: Can you do battles against structures like DS9 in particular because I can come up with a ton of ideas if you can?
"Little?" -Worf
I'd have deployed the both the aero shuttle & delta flyer as well just to piss off worf.
I wanna see the Enterprise E face off against the Admiral Janeway future tech Voyager.
Transphasic torpedoes would be a one hit kill. Not to mention Voyagers future armor tech. This would be no contest.
You know why I’m here. All 3 vs a GRAND NAGUS!!!
As I have said Voyager should be the one that returned from the Delta quadrant. That is the fight people want to see when they say Voyager.
Result tracks. If ignored, Defiant can and should be able to penetrate conventional target defenses. Intrepid was never intended to solo cruisers and battleships with advanced weapons. Both ships fill significant roles in the overall fleet. Sovereign leads fleets but was advanced to respond to most situations without help from smaller, specialized friends. Small enough to be built in greater numbers than the larger star cruisers and heavy explorers, but still handle most of their mission profile.
If McCoy saw the Enterprise-E....
"My god, that's a beautiful big ship."
5:36 - Tea beats coffee 😂
Blasphemy!!
Nothing beats coffee, especially Tea!
love your stuff!
Thanks 🖖
Smashing!
Voyager had a massive phaser upgrade over other ships. hence tearing through the Enterprise E shields
Hey any update on that Borg diamond ship from Picard? I'm dying to see you put it into action 🎉
was this using stock intrepid specs, or Voyager after it's delta quadrant upgrades? Either way, it's surprisingly even (considering the difference in torpedo firepower here)
That Defiant is one tough little ship.
"little?!?"
Do it again, but make the intrepid class quantum ready 😂
3:53 there's no malfunction, that is how pulse weapons work, which is what the quantum torpedoes on the Sovereign are in this mod.
3 X Captains and 3 X Fun in Starsky 🌠🌌✨☄️🪐☀️🌍,just very good! Video is 🌟🌟🌟🌟🖖🖖🖖🖖!!!
Thanks 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Thank you to back 🤗🖖! I see you Videos form Germany to ! Just very nice 😉👍!
So I'm sorry if this is a stupid obvious question, but is this bridge commander that you usually play for these videos or is it fleet command?
How about Janeway and Sisko vs General Picard?
Picard is a ladies man, he would seduce Janeway into joining his side.
Retro Badger: Janeway survives to rid the galaxy of coffee
Me: hold my latte
The E is covered in phasers, so why does it seem like only the primary dorsal and ventral phasers do 90% of the work. Issue with the modding?
It’s too bad the game doesn’t allow for splitting targeting up or even a fire at will button to make all phasers and torpedos fire on the closest ship in their field of fire. If the AI had access to this mode the first fight would have been very challenging.
I love when I agree with the outcome 🤣👌
How about the USS Zheng He vs the Enterprise E?
Very close.
Here’s a crazy one, and hear me out: TOS Enterprise vs a TOS era Defiant and a TOS era Intrepid
I kind of want to see the Sovereign VS Lamarr now
Viewer Request: Husnock Warship vs Scimitar & dominion battleship. The husnock are able to take shields out with ease.
how about a 3-way battle between Capt. Sulu, Capt. Kirk and Khan?
maybe the romulan valdore vs jem hadar battleships would be good to know how many valdores it would take to beat a jem hadar battlecruiser
Who would be Captain Dunsel in this battle?
Battleships gonna battleship.
Is it Voyager pre or post Caretaker? Cos one has tricobalts and the other has Tuvok
If this was in an Episode of a Star Trek series, Captain Janeway would be demoted for treason 😂 along with Sisko
5 defiant class starships vs voyager & enterprise E. Do you think that it's going to make for a good fight.
The Ent E seems to completely ignore the Defiant in that first fight. The E should really be able to beat both these ships especially if it is the refit E.
nah id 100% pick Voyager and the Intrepid :3 my fav ship
Does bridge commander still allow multiplayer ???
5:04 not-so-tough little ship!
Worf: Groooooooooooowl
voyager it's just a big scout ship
It'd be interesting to see how either version of the upgraded Voyager would do. I'm curious what effect transphasic torpedoes would have on the E.
Well if the transphasic torpedoes do as designed then they should go right through shields should be a 1 shot
Yeah, if they one shot a Borg Cube, the E has no chance
😨Jeepers Admiral. first battle was hard to watch gosh.. I would say too, the AI didn't use much tactics hmm odd. lol. and second well. I know Voyager takes hits and somehow heals lol but the Defiant, like they mention, had too much power and for a small ship, like in the show, got damage fast, and Dr. Basir, found it small and tight lol. I did love it but when saw the Akira, I changed lol. the Ent E. well. Geordi said it, '' The most advanced starship in Starfleet'' at the time. so. hmm.. lol How did you separated Picard and the fishies lol. first Borg and Fish, gosh wonder wants next.. oh yes Part Android gosh he really went through all the changes eeh.. 😊🖖
request enterprise e from nemesis vs the millenium falcon
Sorry, but Voyager definitely gets the win. A ship who spend years in the delta quadrant, fight borg and so many species, only to get back without a single scratch on the ship. 😂😂😂😂
What game is this?
Rematch against the D. Probably the same outcome but whatever :D
Hi, nice match up, but there's absolutely no way that those two ships could cope with the fire power that the Enterprise E could bring to bare. The computer really doesn't use it correctly.
its also clear here this mods Sovereign is undertuned compared to intrepid and Defiant. Sovereign can fire lots more torpedoes than that, and has shield strengths more than double a galaxy, while neither an intrepid nor a defiant have the shields of a galaxy, let alone a sovereign.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818
I completely agree, I think a factory stock Sovereign would rain hurt on those two without too much problem, I love these match up's, but I think the game seriously underestimates some of the ships power, the Defiant is a good ship, but on its own absolutely no match for some of the ships, if you want my honest opinion I think it was lucky in the scuffle with a Excelsior Class, I know they were supposed to be holding back, but I also think the Excelsior was as well, if was to be a blood bath I think that ship could have seriously hurt Defiant before it went down.
How about put USS Voyager & USS Enterprise E vs kazon
All good things😜🖖🖖
... must come to an end.
The Defiant class... It was never shown or fully exploited but the Defiant class was never meant to go in to battle as a single ship, they were meant to operate in groups of 3-5 ships working on a single target together. That's why they were made small, maneuverable, and heavily armed... Instead of 1 powerful sovereign class to target you get multiple aggressors, much smaller in size, making them harder to target, but pack the same or bigger punch than the bigger ship. Why they were never shown in this pack role as they were intended is by far beyond me. In my opinion if you wanted to truly test the sovereign class you would pit it against multiple defiant class (nx defiant, sauPaul, and valiant) ships
Where would Worf rather be in this battle?
71st loves these - tho Voyager is my Fave ship ....Thanks !
I feel this would have been a much shorter fight if the defiant had launched its fofa warhead.
When daddy shows up
This game doesn’t have PvP ability right?
It seems like the AI kind of makes mistakes lol when they were controlling voyager it rarely used it's torpedoes.
I said, "Holy crap!" with my eyes widened when you destroyed the Enterprise-E.
Yup O'Brien was quick on repairing the sensors lol. However you finished them off quickly.
I have to agree that the computer didn't utilize the Enterprise-E the first time around which was interesting to say the least. I also agree that it's a vastly superior ship compared to the Defiant and Voyager. As you said they have more power to work with than the Defiant and their weaponry is more advanced than Voyager's. Especially when it got the upgrades during the Dominion War and even more so after Nemesis.
I know that John Eaves has said he really wanted the Nemesis version to be the Insurrection version as well. However it didn't happen. I wanna say Insurrection is in a slightly different reality. As they changed the bridge for stupid reasons and that Troi said, "I've never kissed you with a beard before." Even though she had in TNG.
That's interesting about Insurrection. I like the idea of it being in a different reality. Something about that entire movie was just, off.. Like you say, continuity issues and the famous Joystick incident, lol 🖖
Star Trek lore/tech needs counter measures for photon torpedoes. At least use phasers.
Now we gotta see how enterprise goes up against the voyager a
"Tough little ship"
you beat them even without the Picard maneuver ??
Sovereign should stomp both with ease.
Voyager officially had type 8 phasers, much weaker than the Galaxy type 10 and nothing like the Sovereign type 12.
If this were Voyager ftom the final episode Voyager you would need a full fleet of ship to have a chance at winning. A small chance...
I think u took out the warpcore thats why the E Folded!
The Enterprise E was pecked too death by ducks.
As much as the Intrepid class is my favourite design of ship, it is the weakest of these three ships in combat. However, if she was armed with quantum torpedoes, plated with Defiant style armour, and equipped with regenerative shields, Voyager would probably come in first place.
did d the defiant ever send his quantum nose
Do a Voyager and the,Klingon Battlecruiser thry met together uf they were not stupid enought blow it uo like they were. Hiw woukd they have got on?
Also a Dominion V the Borg. Tgat woukd be cool.
Why don't you aim at systems. On the enterprise e aim at warp core and defiant at the impulse engine
LMAO no way Defiant class would defeat Sovereign class. The Sovereign class has advanced regenerative shielding and ablative hull armor
I suspect the E would actually wipe the floor with those ships.
This is what I don't like about these games. Canonically the Enterprise E has better ablative armor than the Defiant does yet it isn't factored into the game. Also the real battle here is a weak game AI vs an experienced human player. With these ships the human should win every time.
What bothers me a little about the game is that the weapons only fire one-dimensionally. Actually, the Enterprise could have attacked both the Voyager and the Defiant at the same time.
Voyager would have the new armor and torpedoes from admiral Janeway
Little !!!!
Harry Kim still remains an Ensign, even after the destruction of Voyager
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Sisko > Picard + Janeway.
Enterprise E > Defiant + Voyager.
Pretty sure voyager destroys both of them in the original timeline when it returns to the alpha quadrant. 2 transphasic torpedoes should do the job
Voyager is clearly part of the previous generation.
Was hoping Janeway would of used the tri cobalts on the E LOL
Picard was never a great tactician. His strength was in his diplomacy. Janeway is a veteran of the Cardassian war and probably one of the smartest ops based officers ever. Sisko is the indispensable man in military conflict, always tripping over events with celestial assistance and his hatred for Picard is second to none. I think a combined effort of Janeway and Sisko would prevail. And honestly, Voyager is tougher than a Sovereign class in terms of hits it can take. All enterprises suffer from vulnerable engine rooms. Voyager doesn’t have that problem. The defiant may go down… but voyager shot for shot would win.
Yet sisko's defiant was put in it's place by an aging upgraded Lakota while the Defiant did minimal damage to it during the show(which makes it canon that the Defiant is trash).
So it's no surprise sisko needs Janway to do anything against the E, lol
I always thought that the Defiant should have done way more damage to the Lakota. That being said, the Defiant is at its strongest when deployed in a wing and not fighting alone, especially at a bigger target.
Okay, not really... The Lakota as tasked with stopping the Defiant and her captain was told everyone onboard was a changeling. Other than not using quantum torpedoes they threw everything they had at the Defiant, including the kitchen sink...
The Defiant crew on the otherhand knew the score and knew that they were fighting another misinformed Starfleet crew, therefore they were pulling their punches hoping to end the fight with minimal casualties...
So the reality of the situation would have been me telling you to beat up someone half your size with both your hands tied behind your back. The Defiant could have easily taken the aging excelsior refit and destroyed it, they were holding back hoping not to take lives...
@@celestinonataleOkay, not really... The Lakota as tasked with stopping the Defiant and her captain was told everyone onboard was a changeling. Other than not using quantum torpedoes they threw everything they had at the Defiant, including the kitchen sink...
The Defiant crew on the otherhand knew the score and knew that they were fighting another misinformed Starfleet crew, therefore they were pulling their punches hoping to end the fight with minimal casualties...
So the reality of the situation would have been me telling you to beat up someone half your size with both your hands tied behind your back. The Defiant could have easily taken the aging excelsior refit and destroyed it, they were holding back hoping not to take lives...
To
clearly to see Defiant is a helluva Ship and Voyager was a successing design still, but without tactics it is all worthless
What I’ve learnt most from your videos is that the AI in this game is really bad.
If voyager had used the tri cobalt, it would have been lights out. The sovereign is a beast of a ship, thats undeniable. The Defiant will take more pounding and not counting tri cobalt, can deal more damage. Voyager is mary sue, fueled by coffee, and with teeth, but in reality is an overpowered scout ship
no one can stand against Picard Enterprise E