@@javoronkov same. Ps5 has same soldered ssd, and you can buy m.2 pci gen 4 ssd witch even higher speeds. Depends on what m.2 ssd you r using. Speeds can be between 4000 and 7000 (ps5 soldered is around 6000). So answer ~ same Macbook pro m2 ssd read speeds 256gb ver - ~1700mbps 512gb - ~3200mps 1tb and 2tb - 6400bps So its nothing special. Soldering not making any differience. Just regular m.2 pci gen 4 ssd speeds
This is the only reason why i'm never going to buy a mac, no upgradability, im fine with unified ram it makes a difference but soldering the SSD's is just stupid and 400$? for 1 TB? thats just insane. And believe me i would love to buy a mac, the screen, the sound and build quality is just 👌
I also find it unethical that the suds had to be soldered in, however, they can be upgraded if you get your hands on a set of blank unused chips, and are willing to pay a little bit to have a professional solder them on.(note, you will have to buy the entire amount of storage, you cannot just add on to the existing chips; and the computer will have to be put into dfu mode to program the ssd controller that is in the cpu) I am not shilling for apple, I am not saying this is perfect, but the engineering behind the complexities of an ssd swap do make sense when this is put into context.
I just use small external drives or the SD card slot. The SD slot on the MacBook Pros is very good and you can get a lottttta great use out of SD cards. You can offload basically all of your books, movies, music, onto the sd card and it makes zero difference at all lmao. It's like free upgrade IMO. You keep all the stuff that needs to go really fast on the internal, and then chiller stuff on the SD
@@rondobrondo Exactly! I bought 1.5TB mirco sd card that I use the baseQI adapter so it's basically flush. I store my photos and anything that I don't need fast read write from. Then I store game files and any thing I need fast loading on my internal ssd. You don't need crazy fast speeds for everything. I use a 2TB nvme through thunderbolt for time machine to back everything up, which is super fast (I get 2.8gbs write speeds). Works well.
Keep the internal hard drive for software and OS. Off load everything else to external SSD. Use only the current files you are working on in your internal drive ! That should give you the best results !
@@fabianj6008 Samsung T7 external SSD Keep files on ssd and use only what you are working on in ram ! Enjoy and reboot every once in a while "Adobe is famous for memory leaks"
Got my first SSD on a desktop build in 2012, 240GB SSD with a 500GB HDD. SSD did most of the work. I retired the desktop in January of 2021, the SSD was still working fine. I did backup any data to the HDD as a precaution. My new rig now has 2 1TB NVME and a 2TB 2.5"HDD, and everything backs up to a Synology NAS. Admittedly I don't currently have a cloud backup (e.g. house fire), but for the average user I don't anticipate SSD degradation to be an issue. If you're on a tight budget and cannot fork the extra difference for the apple upgrade vs the external SSD, then fine. Otherwise go with the apple upgrade and do their payment plan to spread out the cost of the laptop and upgrade. The one RUclips video I never see are all tech RUclipsrs complaining that their MacBook SSDs are constantly prematurely failing. Once those videos start rolling in time to be worried.
And render your laptop absolutely useless unless you have an external hard drive plugged in at all times, making it way less portable and more cumbersome to carry around. No thanks I think I'll just upgrade the internal storage.
@@TENOVISION Basically don't use your computer storage for anything that's actually useful, instead carry around accessories that have to be plugged in 24/7 or you computer will only be useful for web browsing.
@@captainuh-oh8355 do you mean you don't backup your stuff at all? because if you don't carry any other storage media (external hd, ssd etc), you won't be backing it up. yes, you can b/u to the cloud, but how much stuff you have to backup on the road.
@@slam5 I backup my files on the cloud or use a drive that I keep at home. Even if I did plan to backup my files on the go that's a lot less annoying because you could keep the drive in a bag and only plug it in when needed. That's completely different from using an external drive as your main drive and requiring it to be plugged in at all times.
Expecting the external SSD to take over as swap for the almost full internal (main) SSD shows a lack of understanding how MacOS and similar OS’s work. Unless you change the mapping. This experience made me lose respect for the value of this video.
TERRIBLE IDEA. You want your swap to be as fast as possible with lowest latency External ssd ain’t that. Plus how do you run your laptop without an external drive plugged in at all times? Battery life will take a hit
Correct developers inherently understand how computers work and that an OS would not place swap on removable media. For years I have always sized my PC and laptops drives so that the main system drive stays under 80% utilization. I have occasionally used external drives for editing and have run VMS off them, but for the most part I use them for offline storage and as storage for a media server.
Oh, did you just learn that this RUclipsr is an idiot? Yeh he's always like this about pretty much everything he covers. He seems to just repeat information he finds on other forums or reddit or whatever. It's clear he has no real professional experience in any field related to computers.
Have been dealing with SSDs in enterprise VDI environments for over 12 years. It’s almost impossible to wear these things out in real life. These are usually measured in writes per day and wear levelling helps the wear levels. Some of the early devices still have only used a few % of the write/wear rating. Take away. Don’t worry about it. You won’t wear it out in real life.
So how does it come that more and more QLC SSDs fail that often? I killed within 3 years 2 nvme SSDs.... one internally with using it a lot and the 2nd one externally (as i knew it was because of usage) so my notebooks internal SSD is still alive. Modern SSDs and any other modern flash based storage is POOR QUALITY/NOT SAFE! I hope at least Apple made the SSD long lasting especially since its soldered.
The only problem was years ago when SSD’s were newish (well not new, but newly reintroduced.) When things like trim and wear leveling weren’t really here yet. Now a days their absolutely fine for most tasks with a larger hdd being for files (for me atleast.)
Having a backup is more important than worrying about your drive failing . Most people will never have their SSD fail . I can’t recommend anyone get an external drive to always be connected . People forget and are lazy, so try to get more storage then what you think you need . Always backup your data on site and remote .
@@00700556 "As an IT" that makes no sense my boy. I work in tech and there is nothing wrong with using SSD's dude. They actually tend to outlast HDD's by a great margin alongside a shit ton of added benefits from non-moving parts and incredibly fast speeds to boot. All drives fail dude. If you weren't smart enough to keep multiple backups and locations that was on you not understanding the basics when it comes to backups. I'm always ready to keep the ball rolling, because between RAID, multiple backups, test restorations, automatic scheduling, snapshot ls, etc. I have a ton of room to resist all sorts of failures. Only folks that don't understand the basics get that upset over a drive failure.
@@monkeyfish227 A lot of jobs (especially creative jobs) require external drives for frequent file transfers and cooperative work. For solo usage, internal drives might do the job, but a common rule of thumb is to always have external backups.
I had a base M1 MacBook Air for a year (256GB storage, 8GB memory) and then upgraded to a 16" MacBook Pro with M1 Pro, 1TB storage & 32GB memory. To be honest the only difference is the far more practical display size for what I do (web developer) and not stressing about storage space. Even with just 8GB, I never noticed any issues with performance.
I‘m using the M1 MacBook Air with 8gb & 512ssd but I always miss performance when I’m cutting videos on Finalcut (4K) or when I use lightroom and photoshop…Spotify always stops playing music and the system is not snappy anymore… I would recommend more space in ram and ssd if you’d like to do tasks like this…
hey, im a poor indian student, I wanted to buy an m1 air 8/256, it it still viable? I wanna learn code and will take cs in college starting in a few months
@@yenjun0204 A) I dont want a PC, its not practical for me for the next 4 years. B) I dont want a windows laptop because pretty much all of them suffer some major slowdown after 2 years C) I dont wanna spend a bajillion dollars and I dont game. that's why I though of the 8/256 m1 macbook air, what are your thoughts on this?
This is why I think that in 2022 Apple charging more for base models and keeping the 8 gig 256 storage is ridiculous. For a modern computer base models should be 16 gig and 512 storage.
@@saulgood2366 that isn't the thing His point is that is you are losing more than a grand for the base model of a laptop It must include atleast 16 gb ram or if that seems too much Atleast 512 gb of ssd.
@@endlesslearning26 it is the thing. 8/256 is adequate for the vast majority of MBA purchaser. If you want more spec then you buy another model. It’s an entry level consumer device. If you want more specs for the same price then buy an windows laptop. Complaining about Apple won’t solve the problem. Getting a better paying job so you can afford the upgrade will.
I agree with the overall recommendations for minimums in the newer macbooks, I just helped my sister spec out a new M2 Macbook Air and am building her a Personal NAS to have actual capacity for the multiple TBs of "storage" she'll need between: Time Machine backups, tens of thousands of photos, and hundreds of videos annually. 1TB is way more than she'll actually need in everyday use, realistically 256GB would have been fine if not for the lack of repairability. My solution is Tiered Storage and Network storage for most things at home/Office. Perhaps a thunderbolt dock with 10gig networking for the more serious work at a desk. Then use external NVME or Thunderbolt drives for things to be carried or worked with on the go. It was the best solution for me to more affordably have 64TB+ of hard drive capacity, 8TB Sata SSD, and 1TB NVME, along with some PCIe cache cards all in the NAS and everything else is just running from a Single M.2 except my main PC which has 4 additional SSDs. I've been running my old mac pro, 2 Ryzen PCs, and My NAS on 10gig SFP+ for the better part of a decade now, between some old Enterprise SFP+ PCIe Cards and newer MikroTik Switches, I have a few other computers and a dozen or so raspberry Pis connected over standard gigabit, and My macbook air and ryzen laptop both can connect to the NAS over WiFI or with Type C to Ethernet adapters for higher speed and consistent hardline transfers.
Apple makes the best and the worst computer on the same device. It’s unbelievable how they manage the storage thing. I would love having a M.2 or another format to place an internal ssd. This 💩 makes it more expensive and disposable than it should.
Honestly, I was given a 2012 MacBook Pro, and installed windows 10, natively on it. Works perfectly after I got the drivers from bootcamp etc. still updates itself and everything. Gave the old thing brand new life, for free.
I’ve got a 2012 MBPro that I upgraded to a 1TB internal DataRAM SSD. It’s a 13” Retina so the RAM is soldered on but the bigger/faster drive breathed new life into it. It had 256GB SSD to begin with.
When your SSD wears out, you have to throw out your Mac - Apple will not replace the Flash Memory chips for you. And some people have reported that their 8Gb macs had the SSD wear out in as little as 18 months. In my opinion, the new M1 macs without the replaceable SSD, are an incredible money-making scam dreamed up by Tim Cook.
My 2013 MacBook Pro was my first SSD computer. I maxed out the RAM to 16gb and 1TB SSD. Its been a great computer and still works flawlessly today 10 years later.
@@edgarmarroquin7304 One time. The original battery still worked, but it started swelling such that the track pad would no longer click. I installed a new battery myself.
Always buy the 16GB Ram version and minimal 512SSD bigger SSD means more cells! That will maximize SSD lifespan big time! More RAM = less SWAP! But for most people the SSD wil not be a problem. For archiving, writing on de old HD maybe a smart thing 🤔
If you buy an external SSD and you want to use it as swap-memory: Boot from it (So just install Mac OS on it and forget about the internal SSD). Of course this is only really comfortable on a stationary mac (like Mac Mini or Studio) If you want to buy an external SSD for everyday usage: The mentioned external Samsung T7 SSD doesn't have DRAM and Mac OS doesn't support HMB. So I would not recommend this specific SSD because of speed and wear out reasons. Better buy an high class NVMe (for example WD 850x, Samsung Pro 980, Crucial P5, ...) with DRAM. Then buy a 10 GBit/s USB-C (or better but more expensive: Thunderbolt 40 GBit/s) enclosure for the SSD. The external SSD will be approx. as fast as the internal basic SSD (or even faster when using Thunderbolt)…
You can use this exact SSD as primary drive by installing mac os on it, it's very convenient because you need to have it plugged in every time the computer is on, but I did it for several month because xCode had not enough space and I could no install it on an external drive.
I just bought a MacBook Pro M1 2020 with a 13-inch screen and 8 GB memory because my MacBook Air with similar specs (except for the CPU) of age 2 years and 2 months had hardware problems - bad battery, fan turning on randomly, and random flashes of pixel blotches.
I'm not a Mac user but am waiting to most certainly buy the MBA M2. I'm a windows user still and recently bought my current laptop and an 1TB external SSD. I have no issues with it. I'm using it to run my editing software and store everything. I don't want anything stored in my computer/laptop. My issues come from the OS itself. And I've been thinking of buying new external drive for the Mac and do the same thing. I'm capable of buying an MBA m2 with 16 gb if it's going to be better. I'm not an IT expert or anything but it works for me. I'm an apple user for almost a decade and haven't been disappointed in a way. I hope it won't happen now.
@@CalebWolf Nah, I reconsidered it and won't be buying it. Won't be powerful enough. I'll be waiting for the pro chip to come out. Would be perfect for me.
@@bvrbievampirism if it is power that you need, MBA isn't the way. Basically they're just a glorified tablet with a keyboard. The Pro MacBooks would definitely out perform.
There is no real reason that you wouldn't be able to swap on an external drive. You just need to create a partition on the drive and swap on it. Edit: Now when I come to think about it. Apple has probably made it really hard to do that because they hate their customers. But you can do it on Linux at least ;)
using 2x 4tb ssd external in raid0 on my Mac mini, did cost me 700 euro, speeds over 4Gb read and write on my base model M2 Mac mini (have my 5Tb Photolibrary on it), for backup I have an external 4 hdd enclosure with 32 Tb (runs at 1Gb per sec), I use that for temp storing large video files, etc. Next to that I am using several external HDD as backup for backups. I use a small part of the ssd raid for installing apps as they open quicker from the ssd raid (fcp for instance). I come from a past where there were only expensive SLC SSD - I have an old IBM laptop that has one (16 Gb)- it still works, no wear visible. I did never wear out any of my SSD's, I can not say that of for several HDD that got mechanical failure over time. True I bought some SSD that arrived DOA in the past.
I think I’m not alone in this, in that the most I use my external hard drive for is to store dozens of movies or TV shows, or video clips, whatever large files that I want to go back and use one at a time, not as a swap file necessarily. I want to go back and watch the Sopranos this winter boom there it is on my external. That should not be a big deal! Mainly that’s what I wanna use my external for.
The creator didn’t even attempt to change the systemctl variable that changes the swap location. The system simply isn’t smart enough to do this automatically. You can use terminal on some versions of OSX to change the variable that controls the swap location. Another method is to use an NVMe SSD in an external thunderbolt enclosure as your boot drive. If you boot the external SSD over a thunderbolt link - it will be functionally identical in terms of speed to an internal drive. The OS will also automatically treat this as internal storage if it’s installed to the drive and use it as swap.
@@RK-lq2ud It's a creative way to keep a product adorable to those without much money while getting more resourceful people to pay more and extract more value. The proce difference between an 256 and 512 gb drive is not that much
@@jasonthirded maybe not in the US, where I'm from, it's a lot! And a pro (professional) equipment in the 2022 should have 512gb base, or they shouldn't call the 13' a pro, just kill it or make it a Air max with 16', but nothing we discuss matters and apple gonna do what they do.
I have a m1 macbook air 2020 8/256gb. I am a developer and the only thing I need is more storage. So I bought an external SSD with 1TB and leave it conected to the macbook 24/7. I stick some velcro to it, so the ssd just stay "glued" behind the screen hahaha
There is no internal SSD large enough to store a photo and/or video collection. The real solution for wear and tear replacement and upgrading to a larger Internal SSD is simple: Apple! To bring several external SSD’s is not really a problem, cameras and lenses are not only much more heavy but also taking much more space. Transferring content later to a traditional HDD is still the only way for large files and thousands of high resolution photo files.
okay, okay, hear me out: an ssd the same physical size as a hard drive can hold at least 3 times the data. there are laptops with enough physical slots for 32 TERABYTES of ssd.
Just be smart. Get a Mac with 1TB and get an external SSD with 2-3TB, if u work on a project u just put all the Project Files on your internals SSD and after ur ready get it back to your external SSD. So it accesses the Files while editing fast and after it u don’t have to delete everything to have enough space. I do it like this on my Windows PC since 5 years 🤔
As another commenter said, a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 NMVE gets around this much better than USB3.x drives. About 8 times the (theatrical) ability of USB 3. It’s at least as far as my internal drive
So basically what you're saying is to get the base model 14" MacBook Pro rather than the M1 Air or M2 Air if you are concerned with product longevity? As the M1 Pro machine is the only one of the three that has the minimum specifications you recommend.
Even if you have a 2016 Macbook Air, it still works for what MOST people do outside of gaming and MOST people have work computers. Upgrade only if it stops working, most stores are carrying what you NEED.
project files to internal and completed projects to external. the internal will only fill if you neglect to complete projects in which case if your internal drive is filled, it's time to get rid of projects with no intent of completion. Clean house and archive externally.
I have an internal 512 SSD used mostly for system application and workspace and an external 4TB divided into 2TB allocated for Time Machine and 2TB for immediate storage as I keep the icon on my desktop for easy access of files to work on my desktop. When work is done at the end of the day I do a last back up (on top of the automatic Time Machine back ups through out the day) before moving the work back to the external drive. I hardly remember that the drive is actually sitting on my desk instead of inside my machine. It Works Great for me. I have a MacBookPro M2 8GB/512 SSD and I work mainly with Photo/Images editing (Pixelmator Pro/iMovie) and the native Mac Office applications. Clean & Simple.
Am I the only one who would rather pay the Apple Tax to upgrade my internal storage than carry around an external drive? I don't know about you but the reason I but laptops is because they're portable.
Yes and no. Yes, it's important to upgrade the internal storage, but it's also important to keep that internal storage as clean as humanly possible to get the most out of the performance.
Wearing out the ssd is practically impossible in daily or even pro workloads. Your second argument, swap, is also pointless because as you say in the beginning, people shrink their ssd to buy more ram. 16 gb models (or more in newer chips) wont make you out of memory in moderate usage.
I’ve never heard of anyone having an SSD fail on them… By the time an SSD has aged significantly to show bottlenecks you’ll have replaced your laptop or pc already since either RAM or CPU/GPU will become a huge bottleneck…
I think very few people are skimping and specc'ing small SSD's with the intent on buying an external for swap/page to make up for it. We buy small SSD because of budget and/or we may have to avoid the BTO lead time, or we're gonna use a RAID setup, or in my case it's because my employer only gives out base models. So what we do is buy an external and when we don't need the file as much we transfer it over to the external and all working existing files stay on the internal SSD. One thing I noticed is the super fast expensive external SSD's don't really benefit most workflows because most pro photo/video editing apps are only writing at speeds of 100-300mb/s and reading at 200-500mb/s anyway.
Was thinking about maybe switching to a mac if I like the m4 one enough. Then I see stuff like this and it reminds me that I'll eventually come to regret it. Your pretty much paying 2k to rent it and have to pay hundred for repairs that should cost less than $50 max. I do own iphone/airpods/watch, but looks like that'll be as fast into the ecosystem I'll go.
Видео попало в рекомендации потому что я смотрю контент по макбуку. Но также я смотрел и твой канал о монтаже. Очень круто! Великолепный английский, ты учил его сам? Классное видео, спасибо большое.
Interesting video. Here's a workaround - for Windows/Parallels users, copy the Windows VM file onto the Samsung Ext SSD. This works perfectly and saves our cheap apple 256gb SSDs that most of us can't return because the 14 day window is up and the 512gb is delayed for weeks.
I only just found out how SSD dies after a number of writes. I chose SSD for my MacBook Pro nearly 11 years ago. Luckily, it still works. I thought SSD would be at least as reliable as regular hard disks. They wouldn’t invent worse surely? Who let that happen? My fault for assuming better?
I bought a thunderbolt 3 ssd with nvme inside. Same speed as internal storage. Install Mac os on the external and boot from it. It will use the swap on the hard drive that boots Mac os. It is possible to run swap on the external ssd
Baseline M1 Mac Book air is 8-GB and 256-GB of storage.. This covers about 80% of users.... Videos that generalize a spec without a deep dive into use case specifics are bad information. For those who install a lot of tools to do coding work that isn't too intensive, like Enterprise coding, app or web development, the M1 chip does a great job with memory management and 8-GB is still probably enough, but 512-GB storage would really be useful as coding project can be demanding... Chances are if you're needing to upgrade to 16-GB of RAM, you're doing 3D rendering, or heavy audio/video processing work and you'd also benefit from the 512-GB storage upgrade.
Exactly, who cares about wear of phones and tablet storages, those can be hit much more and even worse quality than standard SSDs. I had 120GB drive (80TBW guarantee by vendor) with over 170TBW (8yrs of windows usage with 4GB RAM). Drive was in good condition, no problems. It is year ago I sold that Laptop to my friend, he still uses it with no problem. 150TBW for 256GB SSDs (most usuall value) is just guarantee, not value when it will die. Some endurance tests prove that many drives can do much more.. and much means many times more before first issues will occur. But from my experience, there is about 8TBW/year for daily driver with enough RAM(16GB) and 10TBW/year for daily driver with not enoug RAM (8GB)
Always buy twice the storage and Ram of what you think you need. Or if your on a budget, save money until you can get at least double than what your old machine had.
Now you made me nervous. On macbook pro since 2017, 1T SSD, Ext 16T HDD. My internal is full. My back up is also full at 4T. I am thinking of getting a Mac Mini M2 and a Synology NAS.
Absolutely NOT! My plans are always to push and see what I can get. If I have to reball a couple of BGAs and reflow solder them to a pre-heated circuit board, it’s happening whatever anyone says.
I have my mid 2017 iMac running the iOS from a 1tb external SSD. I couldn't follow most of what was being discussed in this video, but I haven't had any issues and it's certainly faster than the internal HDD.
As a normal after the Apple March 2022 even seeing no direct replacement for my now no longer supported iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014) with 2TB SSD storage I needed to look for a replacement. Thing is with these old eyes not going back from a 27 inch 5K display. After thinking about it for a few days, and speaking with my best friend this normal decided to purchase a MacBook Air M1 chip with 8‑core CPU, 7‑core GPU, and 16‑core Neural Engine, 16GB unified memory, 2TB SSD storage. Why did I not purchase the Mac mini? Almost came down to flip of a coin Mac mini, or MacBook Air. Thing is with the MacBook Air, and an external monitor like the 27 inch Studio Monitor I can set these up in a two screen configuration if I want to. Also the MacBook Air gives me the option to take it with me, and use remotely if I have the need. Thing is since I am going to being using this M1 MacBook Air until it either dies, or is no longer supported by Apple I purchased the 16GM unified memory as swap will cause the life of the SOC to be shorter. My swap memory stats show that most of the time it is not being used. Live long and prosper. Purchased 2TB storage again to extend the life of the wear leveling SSD so it will never become an issue. Person who I use to work with use to stay about memory, and storage on a host device that "Crap will always expand to the space available".
Get a 16gb RAM & 256gb storage and use external drive for bigger files, or get the pro with 32gb(since you're a pro) & 512gb storage. External drive is way cheaper than apple's upgrade options, and you gotta back-up anyway.
so why did you filled your macbook ssd in the firest place tho ? You can edit or work with files on SSD or M2 SSD just fine, outside some crazy files. But if you edit crazy files, why are you using cheapest macbook there is ? also important thing if you are using many tabs open, use extension to put other tabs to sleep. Those others tabs even when not in use writing and reading files onto SSD
the easiest way for Apple would be to make the SSD changeable again, this is ridiculous that this can't be upgraded or replaced later on. You can buy it with more storage and hope your MacBook works in the following years. Now we need to find a repair company who will replace the chips on the board by desoldering it. This is just the next idea for getting people quicker to a new Mac.
In my previous 2012 intel MBP, once internal HDD was super slow, I formatted my internal HDD, I connected my external ssd, installed macOS on external ssd, and wola, worked great. Haven’t tried that on my M1 MBP.
The only thing you need to worry about is RAM capacity. As a unix based OS , it relies a lot on swap memory (a.k.a. using the SSD/HDD as aditional memory when ram is full). The problem with this is SSDs have limited number of deletions per sector. If you use SSD as swap , it will ware faster. This normaly is not a problem as you can replace the SSD ,however M1 and M2 have theirs soldered in. If you have a base model and run a lot of memory hangry apps - it will ware the SSD. In fact there ware a lot of reports on the web about extensive ware on M1 base model ssds for short times. This is not a new problem , we have been seeing it in sever side for years. Yes , Apple didnt invent SOC , its been around for a long time but mostly used in servers (predominantly storage). The units with soldered NVSRAM suffer extensive board replacements while others with m.2 just swapping the swap SSD (a.k.a. NVSRAM). So if you have a base model and you dont buy apple care (to have the board replaced when the SSD fails), then opt for disabling swap . There will be a performance hit and you my experiance frezzes when the RAM runs out but , it will save you from having an expensive paperweight. Apple really needs to reconsider the SSDs. Even if they insist on keeping the controller on the SOC , they can at least put the NAND on m.2 slot (like they do with the MAC studio) or give a seperate NVSAM SSD on m.2
43TB per year? It is quite a lot. 8yrs old Windows laptop with 4GB RAM and 120GB SSD had 175TBW (current 120GB drives have warranty of 80TBW). With 4GB RAM it is swapping a lot... But my 3yrs old PC had 24TBW, new one, year old is 6TBW I had MBA with M1 for 8 months, just 4,2TBW, right now 16GB model for 10 months 4,35TBW... 43TBW is about 5-6yrs for me.
Guys... it's time to let the swap thing go. Swap overuse was a brief bug that has long been fixed. Even if you have base RAM, base storage, *and* you're pushing your Mac hard, swap isn't going to make a dent in modern SSDs. Swap use is also unavoidable, has remained pretty stable over time, and is not a bad thing. We need to erase that bug from people's memory because everyone has been needlessly worrying about swap like crazy ever since that happened.
@Platon Emil haha, it would be destructive if a video from a few days ago had a comment pinned that basically says "you made a video with old information just to promote an app"
I think if you boot Mac OS from the external ssd, the Mac will use the external ssd has a swap because the swap is a separate partition setup when apple installed Mac OS. So I think with the terminal you can setup a swap partition to your Samsung ssd.
Lol. A heavily used Macbook ssd is 3% worn after a year. So it will have a life of 30 years at that rate. How many people are still using their Mac IIci from 1992?!
Depends on the SSD! If it's using SLC (1 bit per cell) or MLC (2 bits per cell), it will last but newer high capacity SSD drives are TLC (3 bits per cell), QLC (4 bits per cell) or even PLC (5 bits per cell) which wear out much quicker. Most drives these days are TLC I think. Flash media including SSD have a limited number of writes per block so if you keep on writing heavily constantly to a SSD, it will die faster (like video editing)
TL;DR Take the 16 Go Unified Memory (RAM) version with an external SSD you uses for videos, photos, games and downloads (you won't need those at all times and you can still have them in the cloud)
I would say cloud storage is the way to go those days. $400 for one extra TB is outrageous. You can get more than 3 years of the best cloud storage available anytime anywhere.
macOS on apple silicon is not anything different than any x86-64 OS, they all use swap and how quick swap is depends on how fast the SSD it's stored is. Swap is usually stored on the system SSD and macOS doesn't change when it's stored based on space available, this is why it said there was no memory available. OSes like Linux do let you pick where you want to store your swap, and you could store it in a external drive that is faster than apple's internal SSDs (magic of thunderbolt + nvme)
Well, your review flawed before beginning by using the external SSD you chose. A Samsung SSD. Samsung and Apple already don't like eachother. Their competitors. Samsung and Apple devices have never really gotten along together. Also, the T5 is one of the absolute slowest external ssd's on the market. It's best to use a NVME PCIE GEN 4 SSD in an enclosure that's Atleast usb 3.2 gen 2 or usb 4.0. This will give you more than what your looking for.
I cannot believe that you don't know that macbooks or macOS can be installed in external ssd.. I did this to my macbook air m1.. I bought an acasis ssd enclosure that is capable of 40Gbps with thunderbolt 3 cable included then I put a 512gb samsung evo & install macOS & use it as my bootable ssd storage & I do not use my internal ssd.. My external ssd is slightly faster than my internal ssd so I am happy for what I did.. 3 years later my external ssd still has 99% health & my internal ssd has 100% health because I almost never use it.. I only use my internal ssd when I want to update the macOS.. then I also use the aldente battery limit & my battery is still 95% after 3 years because I rarely use my battery.. I already solved the ssd & battery wear out issues.. I just attached my ssd enclosure at the back of the screen of my macbook using velcro stickers then installed a 5 dollar semiconductor cooling fan on top of the enclosureto keep it cool & keep my charger connected so it will not use my battery..
It really depends. True, editing on the internal SSD is much smoother because of the read/write speed advantage of it over the external ones, but it may not matter so much if one's footages are some low-bitrate 1080p h264 MP4s. Besides, most people don't edit MULTIPLE projects at the same time, so only ONE project needs to go into the internal SSD most of the time, the size of which, depending on the video format, varies. For some people, having ~30GB for a project is more than enough, but for some, this number could go all the way up to ~20TB (which definitely requires external storage).
...And in a nutshell that's why we don't buy Apple products anymore. By removing the ability to swap out or upgrade key essential components such as RAM or SSD storage apple have essentially crippled their machines
eah downloading ur stuff is ok but It just get's worst when you put in a lot of data on it. you cant use an external to do heavy date work flow, such as editing. The indexing in macbooks kill the finder window while reading the whole data for hours.
This was good information, well-presented. One niggle: It's not that the computer can't use an external SSD for swap files. It's that the computer uses whatever is the boot volume for swap files. It's a bit of an annoyance to set up an Apple SOC Mac to boot from an external drive but once done it works just as well as the internal drive (assuming a very fast SSD using a very fast interface such as Thunderbolt-3). Note, however, that if the internal drive of an Apple SOC Mac is completely dead, the Mac will not boot even with an external drive set up as the boot volume. With a laptop, you generally got it instead of a desktop because you think there is a premium on the portability. Adding an external drive reduces the portability by at least a little. So it can be a good idea to get the larger internal drive - even given the outrageous prices Apple charges for larger internal SSDs. However, for a desktop Mac (or a laptop which is never moved from a single workstation), an external drive can be used for nearly everything. It can still be better to use the internal drive for booting but you can keep your entire user folder and every large application on an external drive. Doing so allows the Mac plenty of room for the OS and swap files and certain applications (which insist for some foolish reason on residing on the boot volume) even with the base 256gb SSDs on the base model of the consumer SOC Macs. This can save a great deal of money, +2.00tb from a good external SSD can run under $200 compared to $800 for +1.75tb. USB 3.1 gen2 connections and SSDs with a theoretical transfer rate in the 500mb/s range are fast enough for nearly any task, for the majority of users there isn't a need to go with a faster/more expensive SSD with a Thunderbolt interface.
Hey John, I read your comment and i am interested. Have you tried to boot a macbook from external HDD with dead internal drive? I have a macbook which has failing internal drive and i was thinking to get an external drive to install MacOS so i can still use the notebook.
@@TomislavAutoWeltmk If it has an Intel CPU, yes. Unfortunately, Macs with Apple SOCs (M1, M2 currently) can boot from an external volume but cannot boot at all if their internal volume is completely dead.
True. External SSDs are unreliable. The files/folders in the multiple SSDs I bought collapsed overtime and even became unable to format them again. Just use internal one.
It used to be possible to have /var/vm be a symlink to an external drive (Use swap/page files on an external drive). I bought a tiny SSD when 32GB was a large SSD had set up my Mac running this way for years. (This was before macs were available with SSDs.) The security features now make this difficult to impossible; I haven't tried, but it would require downgrading security at a minimum, and even then I'm not sure it's doable. If it is do-able, I can say that when I did it, years ago, the machine was fast AND stable.
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Summary of this Video : External drive cannot be used as swap/page file and cannot be used as RAM. Creator recommends 16GB, 512+ models of Macs.
I need this kind of comment in all RUclips videos
The real hero! 🦸♂️
I need this. Thanks
Totally pointless video. With technically incorrect example with pencil and paper.
Thanks for the tldr, every tutorial vid should have this
I just like to imagine how none of this would be a problem if Apple didn't start soldering their SSDs to the motherboard
Yeppers :D
I would like to know what is the performance gain (soldered vs standard m.2 nvme)
@@javoronkov same. Ps5 has same soldered ssd, and you can buy m.2 pci gen 4 ssd witch even higher speeds.
Depends on what m.2 ssd you r using. Speeds can be between 4000 and 7000 (ps5 soldered is around 6000). So answer ~ same
Macbook pro m2 ssd read speeds
256gb ver - ~1700mbps
512gb - ~3200mps
1tb and 2tb - 6400bps
So its nothing special. Soldering not making any differience. Just regular m.2 pci gen 4 ssd speeds
@@javoronkov The performance gain is that apple gets more money and you get a less upgradeable device.
They want your money, they created the problem, and the solution offered is to buy a new mac.
This is the only reason why i'm never going to buy a mac, no upgradability, im fine with unified ram it makes a difference but soldering the SSD's is just stupid and 400$? for 1 TB? thats just insane.
And believe me i would love to buy a mac, the screen, the sound and build quality is just 👌
@@jgt_ Apple doesn't really care about their customers. So I don't think anything would change.
I also find it unethical that the suds had to be soldered in, however, they can be upgraded if you get your hands on a set of blank unused chips, and are willing to pay a little bit to have a professional solder them on.(note, you will have to buy the entire amount of storage, you cannot just add on to the existing chips; and the computer will have to be put into dfu mode to program the ssd controller that is in the cpu) I am not shilling for apple, I am not saying this is perfect, but the engineering behind the complexities of an ssd swap do make sense when this is put into context.
I just use small external drives or the SD card slot. The SD slot on the MacBook Pros is very good and you can get a lottttta great use out of SD cards. You can offload basically all of your books, movies, music, onto the sd card and it makes zero difference at all lmao. It's like free upgrade IMO. You keep all the stuff that needs to go really fast on the internal, and then chiller stuff on the SD
why is it fine with unified ram ? because other manufacturers started doing it as well? :)
@@rondobrondo Exactly! I bought 1.5TB mirco sd card that I use the baseQI adapter so it's basically flush. I store my photos and anything that I don't need fast read write from. Then I store game files and any thing I need fast loading on my internal ssd. You don't need crazy fast speeds for everything. I use a 2TB nvme through thunderbolt for time machine to back everything up, which is super fast (I get 2.8gbs write speeds). Works well.
Keep the internal hard drive for software and OS. Off load everything else to external SSD. Use only the current files you are working on in your internal drive ! That should give you the best results !
Any recommendations for a ssd for my 256 GB /16gb ram 🐏- planning to use mostly Lightroom /PS tasks
@@fabianj6008 Samsung T7 external SSD Keep files on ssd and use only what you are working on in ram ! Enjoy and reboot every once in a while "Adobe is famous for memory leaks"
That's exactly what I've been doing for years and it works even better in the new machines.
The internal ssd won’t wear out as fast as u think it will, enjoy it
Got my first SSD on a desktop build in 2012, 240GB SSD with a 500GB HDD. SSD did most of the work. I retired the desktop in January of 2021, the SSD was still working fine. I did backup any data to the HDD as a precaution. My new rig now has 2 1TB NVME and a 2TB 2.5"HDD, and everything backs up to a Synology NAS. Admittedly I don't currently have a cloud backup (e.g. house fire), but for the average user I don't anticipate SSD degradation to be an issue. If you're on a tight budget and cannot fork the extra difference for the apple upgrade vs the external SSD, then fine. Otherwise go with the apple upgrade and do their payment plan to spread out the cost of the laptop and upgrade.
The one RUclips video I never see are all tech RUclipsrs complaining that their MacBook SSDs are constantly prematurely failing. Once those videos start rolling in time to be worried.
My solution: Use internal SSD for apps and OS ONLY. Use a thunderbolt 3/4 enclosure + heatsink with a large gen 4 SSD for downloads and data.
And render your laptop absolutely useless unless you have an external hard drive plugged in at all times, making it way less portable and more cumbersome to carry around. No thanks I think I'll just upgrade the internal storage.
I ….. don’t know what this means. 🥴
@@TENOVISION Basically don't use your computer storage for anything that's actually useful, instead carry around accessories that have to be plugged in 24/7 or you computer will only be useful for web browsing.
@@captainuh-oh8355 do you mean you don't backup your stuff at all? because if you don't carry any other storage media (external hd, ssd etc), you won't be backing it up. yes, you can b/u to the cloud, but how much stuff you have to backup on the road.
@@slam5 I backup my files on the cloud or use a drive that I keep at home. Even if I did plan to backup my files on the go that's a lot less annoying because you could keep the drive in a bag and only plug it in when needed. That's completely different from using an external drive as your main drive and requiring it to be plugged in at all times.
"Stop trying to upgrade your MacBook" but specifically recommends upgrading it in the video? Pretty misleading
Expecting the external SSD to take over as swap for the almost full internal (main) SSD shows a lack of understanding how MacOS and similar OS’s work. Unless you change the mapping. This experience made me lose respect for the value of this video.
TERRIBLE IDEA.
You want your swap to be as fast as possible with lowest latency
External ssd ain’t that.
Plus how do you run your laptop without an external drive plugged in at all times? Battery life will take a hit
Correct developers inherently understand how computers work and that an OS would not place swap on removable media. For years I have always sized my PC and laptops drives so that the main system drive stays under 80% utilization. I have occasionally used external drives for editing and have run VMS off them, but for the most part I use them for offline storage and as storage for a media server.
More to the point.. this video and the comments other than yours make me lose faith in humanity
@@thisonewastaken1 Because they are apple slaves.
Oh, did you just learn that this RUclipsr is an idiot? Yeh he's always like this about pretty much everything he covers. He seems to just repeat information he finds on other forums or reddit or whatever. It's clear he has no real professional experience in any field related to computers.
Have been dealing with SSDs in enterprise VDI environments for over 12 years. It’s almost impossible to wear these things out in real life. These are usually measured in writes per day and wear levelling helps the wear levels. Some of the early devices still have only used a few % of the write/wear rating. Take away. Don’t worry about it. You won’t wear it out in real life.
So how does it come that more and more QLC SSDs fail that often?
I killed within 3 years 2 nvme SSDs.... one internally with using it a lot and the 2nd one externally (as i knew it was because of usage) so my notebooks internal SSD is still alive.
Modern SSDs and any other modern flash based storage is POOR QUALITY/NOT SAFE!
I hope at least Apple made the SSD long lasting especially since its soldered.
The only problem was years ago when SSD’s were newish (well not new, but newly reintroduced.) When things like trim and wear leveling weren’t really here yet. Now a days their absolutely fine for most tasks with a larger hdd being for files (for me atleast.)
Not true I’ve had ssd drives fail multiple times
Did u use enterprise grade ssd?
Or consumer grade?
@@bedroomstudios6232 did they fail because of too many writes or just because?
Having a backup is more important than worrying about your drive failing . Most people will never have their SSD fail . I can’t recommend anyone get an external drive to always be connected . People forget and are lazy, so try to get more storage then what you think you need . Always backup your data on site and remote .
As an IT, I probably will never put important information on an SSD. I’ve went through many that have just died.
@@00700556 Do you mean HDD’s? SSD’s shouldn’t “just die”.
@@00700556 "As an IT" that makes no sense my boy. I work in tech and there is nothing wrong with using SSD's dude. They actually tend to outlast HDD's by a great margin alongside a shit ton of added benefits from non-moving parts and incredibly fast speeds to boot.
All drives fail dude. If you weren't smart enough to keep multiple backups and locations that was on you not understanding the basics when it comes to backups. I'm always ready to keep the ball rolling, because between RAID, multiple backups, test restorations, automatic scheduling, snapshot ls, etc. I have a ton of room to resist all sorts of failures. Only folks that don't understand the basics get that upset over a drive failure.
Personally i like using internal drives and using time machine to backup those. Seems like more work with external drives and the hassle.
@@monkeyfish227 A lot of jobs (especially creative jobs) require external drives for frequent file transfers and cooperative work. For solo usage, internal drives might do the job, but a common rule of thumb is to always have external backups.
I had a base M1 MacBook Air for a year (256GB storage, 8GB memory) and then upgraded to a 16" MacBook Pro with M1 Pro, 1TB storage & 32GB memory. To be honest the only difference is the far more practical display size for what I do (web developer) and not stressing about storage space. Even with just 8GB, I never noticed any issues with performance.
I‘m using the M1 MacBook Air with 8gb & 512ssd but I always miss performance when I’m cutting videos on Finalcut (4K) or when I use lightroom and photoshop…Spotify always stops playing music and the system is not snappy anymore… I would recommend more space in ram and ssd if you’d like to do tasks like this…
hey, im a poor indian student, I wanted to buy an m1 air 8/256, it it still viable? I wanna learn code and will take cs in college starting in a few months
@@chihuhahuana4863 Windows PC can do it, unless you become an Apple App developer.
@@yenjun0204 A) I dont want a PC, its not practical for me for the next 4 years.
B) I dont want a windows laptop because pretty much all of them suffer some major slowdown after 2 years
C) I dont wanna spend a bajillion dollars and I dont game.
that's why I though of the 8/256 m1 macbook air, what are your thoughts on this?
@@chihuhahuana4863 you are an Indian non poor student 😆
This is why I think that in 2022 Apple charging more for base models and keeping the 8 gig 256 storage is ridiculous. For a modern computer base models should be 16 gig and 512 storage.
Ummm My 16” base was 16/512
@@saulgood2366 16/512 shouldn’t be just a pro feature. This is my point
@@JamesEzell just get a better job so you can afford the upgrades.
@@saulgood2366 that isn't the thing
His point is that is you are losing more than a grand for the base model of a laptop
It must include atleast 16 gb ram or if that seems too much
Atleast 512 gb of ssd.
@@endlesslearning26 it is the thing. 8/256 is adequate for the vast majority of MBA purchaser. If you want more spec then you buy another model. It’s an entry level consumer device. If you want more specs for the same price then buy an windows laptop. Complaining about Apple won’t solve the problem. Getting a better paying job so you can afford the upgrade will.
I agree with the overall recommendations for minimums in the newer macbooks, I just helped my sister spec out a new M2 Macbook Air and am building her a Personal NAS to have actual capacity for the multiple TBs of "storage" she'll need between: Time Machine backups, tens of thousands of photos, and hundreds of videos annually. 1TB is way more than she'll actually need in everyday use, realistically 256GB would have been fine if not for the lack of repairability.
My solution is Tiered Storage and Network storage for most things at home/Office. Perhaps a thunderbolt dock with 10gig networking for the more serious work at a desk. Then use external NVME or Thunderbolt drives for things to be carried or worked with on the go. It was the best solution for me to more affordably have 64TB+ of hard drive capacity, 8TB Sata SSD, and 1TB NVME, along with some PCIe cache cards all in the NAS and everything else is just running from a Single M.2 except my main PC which has 4 additional SSDs.
I've been running my old mac pro, 2 Ryzen PCs, and My NAS on 10gig SFP+ for the better part of a decade now, between some old Enterprise SFP+ PCIe Cards and newer MikroTik Switches, I have a few other computers and a dozen or so raspberry Pis connected over standard gigabit, and My macbook air and ryzen laptop both can connect to the NAS over WiFI or with Type C to Ethernet adapters for higher speed and consistent hardline transfers.
I‘m looking to get a MacBook Air. What build would you recommend me to go for?
When getting a computer I prefer to get one with at least 1TB of storage. Doesn’t matter what kind of computer it is whether it’s windows or Mac
My ssd works great since 2010. And I am using it alot. I did a benchmark and the speed is still where samsung says it should be.
Which model did you buy
For yoink, please use CMD + X and CMD + V to cut and paste. Installing useless apps surely won't help any computer.
Apple makes the best and the worst computer on the same device. It’s unbelievable how they manage the storage thing. I would love having a M.2 or another format to place an internal ssd. This 💩 makes it more expensive and disposable than it should.
Honestly, I was given a 2012 MacBook Pro, and installed windows 10, natively on it. Works perfectly after I got the drivers from bootcamp etc. still updates itself and everything. Gave the old thing brand new life, for free.
I’ve got a 2012 MBPro that I upgraded to a 1TB internal DataRAM SSD. It’s a 13” Retina so the RAM is soldered on but the bigger/faster drive breathed new life into it. It had 256GB SSD to begin with.
When your SSD wears out, you have to throw out your Mac - Apple will not replace the Flash Memory chips for you. And some people have reported that their 8Gb macs had the SSD wear out in as little as 18 months. In my opinion, the new M1 macs without the replaceable SSD, are an incredible money-making scam dreamed up by Tim Cook.
My 2013 MacBook Pro was my first SSD computer. I maxed out the RAM to 16gb and 1TB SSD. Its been a great computer and still works flawlessly today 10 years later.
How many times has the battery been replaced
@@edgarmarroquin7304 One time. The original battery still worked, but it started swelling such that the track pad would no longer click. I installed a new battery myself.
@@lymancopps5957 brand recommendation I heard aftermarket batteries are unreliable
@@edgarmarroquin7304 The iFixit battery I used has been reliable. I imagine there are some bad ones out there.
Always buy the 16GB Ram version and minimal 512SSD bigger SSD means more cells! That will maximize SSD lifespan big time! More RAM = less SWAP!
But for most people the SSD wil not be a problem. For archiving, writing on de old HD maybe a smart thing 🤔
If you buy an external SSD and you want to use it as swap-memory: Boot from it (So just install Mac OS on it and forget about the internal SSD). Of course this is only really comfortable on a stationary mac (like Mac Mini or Studio)
If you want to buy an external SSD for everyday usage:
The mentioned external Samsung T7 SSD doesn't have DRAM and Mac OS doesn't support HMB. So I would not recommend this specific SSD because of speed and wear out reasons. Better buy an high class NVMe (for example WD 850x, Samsung Pro 980, Crucial P5, ...) with DRAM. Then buy a 10 GBit/s USB-C (or better but more expensive: Thunderbolt 40 GBit/s) enclosure for the SSD.
The external SSD will be approx. as fast as the internal basic SSD (or even faster when using Thunderbolt)…
Just boot from the external SSD, then it will swap to it just fine.
You can use this exact SSD as primary drive by installing mac os on it, it's very convenient because you need to have it plugged in every time the computer is on, but I did it for several month because xCode had not enough space and I could no install it on an external drive.
I just bought a MacBook Pro M1 2020 with a 13-inch screen and 8 GB memory because my MacBook Air with similar specs (except for the CPU) of age 2 years and 2 months had hardware problems - bad battery, fan turning on randomly, and random flashes of pixel blotches.
I'm not a Mac user but am waiting to most certainly buy the MBA M2. I'm a windows user still and recently bought my current laptop and an 1TB external SSD. I have no issues with it. I'm using it to run my editing software and store everything. I don't want anything stored in my computer/laptop. My issues come from the OS itself. And I've been thinking of buying new external drive for the Mac and do the same thing. I'm capable of buying an MBA m2 with 16 gb if it's going to be better. I'm not an IT expert or anything but it works for me. I'm an apple user for almost a decade and haven't been disappointed in a way. I hope it won't happen now.
No...don't buy the MBA M2...are you kidding me?
@@CalebWolf Nah, I reconsidered it and won't be buying it. Won't be powerful enough. I'll be waiting for the pro chip to come out. Would be perfect for me.
@@bvrbievampirism if it is power that you need, MBA isn't the way. Basically they're just a glorified tablet with a keyboard. The Pro MacBooks would definitely out perform.
Golden rule is to keep 10% of the ssd capacity empty. If you don't you will just slow it down and make it wear out faster.
Excellent analogy with pencil and paper! Great video :)
There is no real reason that you wouldn't be able to swap on an external drive. You just need to create a partition on the drive and swap on it. Edit: Now when I come to think about it. Apple has probably made it really hard to do that because they hate their customers. But you can do it on Linux at least ;)
And on Windows too.
using 2x 4tb ssd external in raid0 on my Mac mini, did cost me 700 euro, speeds over 4Gb read and write on my base model M2 Mac mini (have my 5Tb Photolibrary on it), for backup I have an external 4 hdd enclosure with 32 Tb (runs at 1Gb per sec), I use that for temp storing large video files, etc. Next to that I am using several external HDD as backup for backups. I use a small part of the ssd raid for installing apps as they open quicker from the ssd raid (fcp for instance). I come from a past where there were only expensive SLC SSD - I have an old IBM laptop that has one (16 Gb)- it still works, no wear visible. I did never wear out any of my SSD's, I can not say that of for several HDD that got mechanical failure over time. True I bought some SSD that arrived DOA in the past.
I think I’m not alone in this, in that the most I use my external hard drive for is to store dozens of movies or TV shows, or video clips, whatever large files that I want to go back and use one at a time, not as a swap file necessarily. I want to go back and watch the Sopranos this winter boom there it is on my external. That should not be a big deal! Mainly that’s what I wanna use my external for.
The creator didn’t even attempt to change the systemctl variable that changes the swap location. The system simply isn’t smart enough to do this automatically.
You can use terminal on some versions of OSX to change the variable that controls the swap location.
Another method is to use an NVMe SSD in an external thunderbolt enclosure as your boot drive. If you boot the external SSD over a thunderbolt link - it will be functionally identical in terms of speed to an internal drive. The OS will also automatically treat this as internal storage if it’s installed to the drive and use it as swap.
I've always said that 16 / 512 should be the baseline specs for any laptop 😎
it's unbelievable that we still don't have it in 2022
@@fahimshahriar2622 because, they wanna keep the base price low, 13' mbp is a disgrace, they call them a "pro" but the base only has 8gb/256gb.
@@RK-lq2ud It's a creative way to keep a product adorable to those without much money while getting more resourceful people to pay more and extract more value. The proce difference between an 256 and 512 gb drive is not that much
@@jasonthirded maybe not in the US, where I'm from, it's a lot! And a pro (professional) equipment in the 2022 should have 512gb base, or they shouldn't call the 13' a pro, just kill it or make it a Air max with 16', but nothing we discuss matters and apple gonna do what they do.
@@RK-lq2ud Sorry I meant to say the actual part meaning that apple overcharges for the upgrade
I have a m1 macbook air 2020 8/256gb. I am a developer and the only thing I need is more storage.
So I bought an external SSD with 1TB and leave it conected to the macbook 24/7. I stick some velcro to it, so the ssd just stay "glued" behind the screen hahaha
Even having only 16GB ram and 256 GB of SSD would be enough if you have an external SSD so the internal one can last longer
There is no internal SSD large enough to store a photo and/or video collection. The real solution for wear and tear replacement and upgrading to a larger Internal SSD is simple: Apple! To bring several external SSD’s is not really a problem, cameras and lenses are not only much more heavy but also taking much more space. Transferring content later to a traditional HDD is still the only way for large files and thousands of high resolution photo files.
okay, okay, hear me out: an ssd the same physical size as a hard drive can hold at least 3 times the data. there are laptops with enough physical slots for 32 TERABYTES of ssd.
@@danzjz3923 Yes but not in MacBookPro's and only imagine the price when this can only be bought from Apple...................................
@@peterbuitelaar8543 exactly my point
Just be smart. Get a Mac with 1TB and get an external SSD with 2-3TB, if u work on a project u just put all the Project Files on your internals SSD and after ur ready get it back to your external SSD. So it accesses the Files while editing fast and after it u don’t have to delete everything to have enough space. I do it like this on my Windows PC since 5 years 🤔
Upgrade RAM first, then storage. Put project files and media on a FAST external SSD to save the endurance of the internal, soldered SSD
As another commenter said, a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 NMVE gets around this much better than USB3.x drives. About 8 times the (theatrical) ability of USB 3.
It’s at least as far as my internal drive
So basically what you're saying is to get the base model 14" MacBook Pro rather than the M1 Air or M2 Air if you are concerned with product longevity? As the M1 Pro machine is the only one of the three that has the minimum specifications you recommend.
Even if you have a 2016 Macbook Air, it still works for what MOST people do outside of gaming and MOST people have work computers. Upgrade only if it stops working, most stores are carrying what you NEED.
project files to internal and completed projects to external. the internal will only fill if you neglect to complete projects in which case if your internal drive is filled, it's time to get rid of projects with no intent of completion. Clean house and archive externally.
I have an internal 512 SSD used mostly for system application and workspace and an external 4TB divided into 2TB allocated for Time Machine and 2TB for immediate storage as I keep the icon on my desktop for easy access of files to work on my desktop. When work is done at the end of the day I do a last back up (on top of the automatic Time Machine back ups through out the day) before moving the work back to the external drive.
I hardly remember that the drive is actually sitting on my desk instead of inside my machine. It Works Great for me. I have a MacBookPro M2 8GB/512 SSD and I work mainly with Photo/Images editing (Pixelmator Pro/iMovie) and the native Mac Office applications. Clean & Simple.
Am I the only one who would rather pay the Apple Tax to upgrade my internal storage than carry around an external drive? I don't know about you but the reason I but laptops is because they're portable.
Yes and no. Yes, it's important to upgrade the internal storage, but it's also important to keep that internal storage as clean as humanly possible to get the most out of the performance.
Wearing out the ssd is practically impossible in daily or even pro workloads. Your second argument, swap, is also pointless because as you say in the beginning, people shrink their ssd to buy more ram. 16 gb models (or more in newer chips) wont make you out of memory in moderate usage.
Use a Synology NAS and you are golden!
I’ve never heard of anyone having an SSD fail on them… By the time an SSD has aged significantly to show bottlenecks you’ll have replaced your laptop or pc already since either RAM or CPU/GPU will become a huge bottleneck…
I think very few people are skimping and specc'ing small SSD's with the intent on buying an external for swap/page to make up for it. We buy small SSD because of budget and/or we may have to avoid the BTO lead time, or we're gonna use a RAID setup, or in my case it's because my employer only gives out base models. So what we do is buy an external and when we don't need the file as much we transfer it over to the external and all working existing files stay on the internal SSD. One thing I noticed is the super fast expensive external SSD's don't really benefit most workflows because most pro photo/video editing apps are only writing at speeds of 100-300mb/s and reading at 200-500mb/s anyway.
Was thinking about maybe switching to a mac if I like the m4 one enough. Then I see stuff like this and it reminds me that I'll eventually come to regret it. Your pretty much paying 2k to rent it and have to pay hundred for repairs that should cost less than $50 max. I do own iphone/airpods/watch, but looks like that'll be as fast into the ecosystem I'll go.
Apparently there is still a procedure (while still working) to allow running directly off the external. That would also be swap.
Видео попало в рекомендации потому что я смотрю контент по макбуку. Но также я смотрел и твой канал о монтаже. Очень круто! Великолепный английский, ты учил его сам? Классное видео, спасибо большое.
Interesting video. Here's a workaround - for Windows/Parallels users, copy the Windows VM file onto the Samsung Ext SSD. This works perfectly and saves our cheap apple 256gb SSDs that most of us can't return because the 14 day window is up and the 512gb is delayed for weeks.
I got my MacBook Air m2 16gb and 1tb for my DJing best purchase I’ve ever made good video man👍🏾🤟🏾
Most external ssd are slow at USB 3 speeds unless you get external Thunderbolt ones .
I only just found out how SSD dies after a number of writes.
I chose SSD for my MacBook Pro nearly 11 years ago. Luckily, it still works. I thought SSD would be at least as reliable as regular hard disks. They wouldn’t invent worse surely? Who let that happen? My fault for assuming better?
SSDs are more reliable than HDDs lol, HDDs get damaged by shaking, by dust etc
I bought a thunderbolt 3 ssd with nvme inside. Same speed as internal storage. Install Mac os on the external and boot from it. It will use the swap on the hard drive that boots Mac os. It is possible to run swap on the external ssd
Baseline M1 Mac Book air is 8-GB and 256-GB of storage.. This covers about 80% of users.... Videos that generalize a spec without a deep dive into use case specifics are bad information. For those who install a lot of tools to do coding work that isn't too intensive, like Enterprise coding, app or web development, the M1 chip does a great job with memory management and 8-GB is still probably enough, but 512-GB storage would really be useful as coding project can be demanding... Chances are if you're needing to upgrade to 16-GB of RAM, you're doing 3D rendering, or heavy audio/video processing work and you'd also benefit from the 512-GB storage upgrade.
The internal ssd wear isn‘t reaööy a thing and was debunked by several youtubers (eg maxtech). It was just a bug.
Exactly, who cares about wear of phones and tablet storages, those can be hit much more and even worse quality than standard SSDs. I had 120GB drive (80TBW guarantee by vendor) with over 170TBW (8yrs of windows usage with 4GB RAM). Drive was in good condition, no problems. It is year ago I sold that Laptop to my friend, he still uses it with no problem. 150TBW for 256GB SSDs (most usuall value) is just guarantee, not value when it will die. Some endurance tests prove that many drives can do much more.. and much means many times more before first issues will occur.
But from my experience, there is about 8TBW/year for daily driver with enough RAM(16GB) and 10TBW/year for daily driver with not enoug RAM (8GB)
I'd like to get back the opportunity of adding a second drive to my MacBook. I definitely go for a slow but long lively HDD drive.
Always buy twice the storage and Ram of what you think you need. Or if your on a budget, save money until you can get at least double than what your old machine had.
Now you made me nervous. On macbook pro since 2017, 1T SSD, Ext 16T HDD. My internal is full. My back up is also full at 4T. I am thinking of getting a Mac Mini M2 and a Synology NAS.
Absolutely NOT! My plans are always to push and see what I can get. If I have to reball a couple of BGAs and reflow solder them to a pre-heated circuit board, it’s happening whatever anyone says.
I have my mid 2017 iMac running the iOS from a 1tb external SSD. I couldn't follow most of what was being discussed in this video, but I haven't had any issues and it's certainly faster than the internal HDD.
Did the same thing.
As a normal after the Apple March 2022 even seeing no direct replacement for my now no longer supported iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014) with 2TB SSD storage I needed to look for a replacement. Thing is with these old eyes not going back from a 27 inch 5K display.
After thinking about it for a few days, and speaking with my best friend this normal decided to purchase a MacBook Air M1 chip with 8‑core CPU, 7‑core GPU, and 16‑core Neural Engine, 16GB unified memory, 2TB SSD storage. Why did I not purchase the Mac mini? Almost came down to flip of a coin Mac mini, or MacBook Air. Thing is with the MacBook Air, and an external monitor like the 27 inch Studio Monitor I can set these up in a two screen configuration if I want to. Also the MacBook Air gives me the option to take it with me, and use remotely if I have the need.
Thing is since I am going to being using this M1 MacBook Air until it either dies, or is no longer supported by Apple I purchased the 16GM unified memory as swap will cause the life of the SOC to be shorter. My swap memory stats show that most of the time it is not being used. Live long and prosper. Purchased 2TB storage again to extend the life of the wear leveling SSD so it will never become an issue.
Person who I use to work with use to stay about memory, and storage on a host device that "Crap will always expand to the space available".
Get a 16gb RAM & 256gb storage and use external drive for bigger files, or get the pro with 32gb(since you're a pro) & 512gb storage.
External drive is way cheaper than apple's upgrade options, and you gotta back-up anyway.
why did you not talk about using external ssd as a start up disk? you have to set it up as a start up disk to use it, not just plug it in.
you could boot from the external SSD and use the swap on it
so why did you filled your macbook ssd in the firest place tho ? You can edit or work with files on SSD or M2 SSD just fine, outside some crazy files. But if you edit crazy files, why are you using cheapest macbook there is ? also important thing if you are using many tabs open, use extension to put other tabs to sleep. Those others tabs even when not in use writing and reading files onto SSD
the easiest way for Apple would be to make the SSD changeable again, this is ridiculous that this can't be upgraded or replaced later on. You can buy it with more storage and hope your MacBook works in the following years. Now we need to find a repair company who will replace the chips on the board by desoldering it. This is just the next idea for getting people quicker to a new Mac.
they should just add a regular NVME slot for SSD in addition to the soldered on nand chips.
I thought Steve Gibson of GRC had said when cells on an SSD fail, they are left in a read-only state, not in a corrupted state.
In my previous 2012 intel MBP, once internal HDD was super slow, I formatted my internal HDD, I connected my external ssd, installed macOS on external ssd, and wola, worked great. Haven’t tried that on my M1 MBP.
The only solution to all these choices is to work hard and make more money so you won't worry about these problems 🤷🏾♂😅
Or don’t buy what you can’t afford to max out
True lol. That's why i still prefer Windows Laptop most of the time
The only thing you need to worry about is RAM capacity. As a unix based OS , it relies a lot on swap memory (a.k.a. using the SSD/HDD as aditional memory when ram is full). The problem with this is SSDs have limited number of deletions per sector. If you use SSD as swap , it will ware faster. This normaly is not a problem as you can replace the SSD ,however M1 and M2 have theirs soldered in. If you have a base model and run a lot of memory hangry apps - it will ware the SSD. In fact there ware a lot of reports on the web about extensive ware on M1 base model ssds for short times.
This is not a new problem , we have been seeing it in sever side for years. Yes , Apple didnt invent SOC , its been around for a long time but mostly used in servers (predominantly storage). The units with soldered NVSRAM suffer extensive board replacements while others with m.2 just swapping the swap SSD (a.k.a. NVSRAM). So if you have a base model and you dont buy apple care (to have the board replaced when the SSD fails), then opt for disabling swap . There will be a performance hit and you my experiance frezzes when the RAM runs out but , it will save you from having an expensive paperweight.
Apple really needs to reconsider the SSDs. Even if they insist on keeping the controller on the SOC , they can at least put the NAND on m.2 slot (like they do with the MAC studio) or give a seperate NVSAM SSD on m.2
Video summary: don't buy a mac
Expensive as F
The dream would be a Mac Mini case with normal PC components inside running Big Sur with VirtualBox
43TB per year? It is quite a lot. 8yrs old Windows laptop with 4GB RAM and 120GB SSD had 175TBW (current 120GB drives have warranty of 80TBW). With 4GB RAM it is swapping a lot... But my 3yrs old PC had 24TBW, new one, year old is 6TBW
I had MBA with M1 for 8 months, just 4,2TBW, right now 16GB model for 10 months 4,35TBW... 43TBW is about 5-6yrs for me.
Where do you find these numbers?
Guys... it's time to let the swap thing go. Swap overuse was a brief bug that has long been fixed. Even if you have base RAM, base storage, *and* you're pushing your Mac hard, swap isn't going to make a dent in modern SSDs. Swap use is also unavoidable, has remained pretty stable over time, and is not a bad thing. We need to erase that bug from people's memory because everyone has been needlessly worrying about swap like crazy ever since that happened.
So, it dosent happen Now ? I can Buy base SSD model with no worry of memory swap?
@@IsolinoSilva Correct. The excessive swap bug was fixed over a year ago.
@Platon Emil haha, it would be destructive if a video from a few days ago had a comment pinned that basically says "you made a video with old information just to promote an app"
Thats for light use, what about people like me who run multiple vmws in M1 and even have many apps n tabs open, i see the swap being used yet
@@pranavk95 In terms of SSD lifespan, you should be fine even with constant heavy use. The SSD would still outlive the useful life of the computer.
Been using a 2.5inch internal hard drive externally with usb for my windows profile. No slowdown in boot at all.
Wait… so if I use an external ssd then I will wear down the internal ssd on my mac?
I think if you boot Mac OS from the external ssd, the Mac will use the external ssd has a swap because the swap is a separate partition setup when apple installed Mac OS. So I think with the terminal you can setup a swap partition to your Samsung ssd.
do u already try it?
Lol. A heavily used Macbook ssd is 3% worn after a year. So it will have a life of 30 years at that rate. How many people are still using their Mac IIci from 1992?!
Depends on the SSD! If it's using SLC (1 bit per cell) or MLC (2 bits per cell), it will last but newer high capacity SSD drives are TLC (3 bits per cell), QLC (4 bits per cell) or even PLC (5 bits per cell) which wear out much quicker. Most drives these days are TLC I think. Flash media including SSD have a limited number of writes per block so if you keep on writing heavily constantly to a SSD, it will die faster (like video editing)
SSD CAN be used for Dropbox storage however, but you need to leave it plugged in all the time.
Although true….. I use an SSD to store audio to be read. If you are not writing to it all the time it works so well.
At 9:14, what piece of software was used to get that info? Seems very helpful and i want to check my macbook! Thanks. 😊
TL;DR Take the 16 Go Unified Memory (RAM) version with an external SSD you uses for videos, photos, games and downloads (you won't need those at all times and you can still have them in the cloud)
I would say cloud storage is the way to go those days. $400 for one extra TB is outrageous. You can get more than 3 years of the best cloud storage available anytime anywhere.
macOS on apple silicon is not anything different than any x86-64 OS, they all use swap and how quick swap is depends on how fast the SSD it's stored is.
Swap is usually stored on the system SSD and macOS doesn't change when it's stored based on space available, this is why it said there was no memory available.
OSes like Linux do let you pick where you want to store your swap, and you could store it in a external drive that is faster than apple's internal SSDs (magic of thunderbolt + nvme)
But in a previous video thumbnail you said "dont buy macbook".. Now how comes the question of upgrading macbook if you dont have any
You could always just buy an external hard drive or SSD
What if you install a macOS on an external SSD and use this a the regular system. Does the mac still use the internal SSD as swap?
Well, your review flawed before beginning by using the external SSD you chose. A Samsung SSD. Samsung and Apple already don't like eachother. Their competitors. Samsung and Apple devices have never really gotten along together. Also, the T5 is one of the absolute slowest external ssd's on the market. It's best to use a NVME PCIE GEN 4 SSD in an enclosure that's Atleast usb 3.2 gen 2 or usb 4.0. This will give you more than what your looking for.
I'm just not buying macs anymore. I've gone linux with custom build computers. However, I will upgrade my pre-M1 macbooks with new hardware.
I cannot believe that you don't know that macbooks or macOS can be installed in external ssd.. I did this to my macbook air m1.. I bought an acasis ssd enclosure that is capable of 40Gbps with thunderbolt 3 cable included then I put a 512gb samsung evo & install macOS & use it as my bootable ssd storage & I do not use my internal ssd.. My external ssd is slightly faster than my internal ssd so I am happy for what I did.. 3 years later my external ssd still has 99% health & my internal ssd has 100% health because I almost never use it.. I only use my internal ssd when I want to update the macOS.. then I also use the aldente battery limit & my battery is still 95% after 3 years because I rarely use my battery.. I already solved the ssd & battery wear out issues.. I just attached my ssd enclosure at the back of the screen of my macbook using velcro stickers then installed a 5 dollar semiconductor cooling fan on top of the enclosureto keep it cool & keep my charger connected so it will not use my battery..
It really depends. True, editing on the internal SSD is much smoother because of the read/write speed advantage of it over the external ones, but it may not matter so much if one's footages are some low-bitrate 1080p h264 MP4s. Besides, most people don't edit MULTIPLE projects at the same time, so only ONE project needs to go into the internal SSD most of the time, the size of which, depending on the video format, varies. For some people, having ~30GB for a project is more than enough, but for some, this number could go all the way up to ~20TB (which definitely requires external storage).
Y’all keep saying buy a MacBook with more space. What do i do if I already have a MacBook but need more space?
...And in a nutshell that's why we don't buy Apple products anymore. By removing the ability to swap out or upgrade key essential components such as RAM or SSD storage apple have essentially crippled their machines
eah downloading ur stuff is ok but
It just get's worst when you put in a lot of data on it.
you cant use an external to do heavy date work flow, such as editing.
The indexing in macbooks kill the finder window while reading the whole data for hours.
This was good information, well-presented. One niggle: It's not that the computer can't use an external SSD for swap files. It's that the computer uses whatever is the boot volume for swap files. It's a bit of an annoyance to set up an Apple SOC Mac to boot from an external drive but once done it works just as well as the internal drive (assuming a very fast SSD using a very fast interface such as Thunderbolt-3). Note, however, that if the internal drive of an Apple SOC Mac is completely dead, the Mac will not boot even with an external drive set up as the boot volume.
With a laptop, you generally got it instead of a desktop because you think there is a premium on the portability. Adding an external drive reduces the portability by at least a little. So it can be a good idea to get the larger internal drive - even given the outrageous prices Apple charges for larger internal SSDs. However, for a desktop Mac (or a laptop which is never moved from a single workstation), an external drive can be used for nearly everything. It can still be better to use the internal drive for booting but you can keep your entire user folder and every large application on an external drive. Doing so allows the Mac plenty of room for the OS and swap files and certain applications (which insist for some foolish reason on residing on the boot volume) even with the base 256gb SSDs on the base model of the consumer SOC Macs. This can save a great deal of money, +2.00tb from a good external SSD can run under $200 compared to $800 for +1.75tb. USB 3.1 gen2 connections and SSDs with a theoretical transfer rate in the 500mb/s range are fast enough for nearly any task, for the majority of users there isn't a need to go with a faster/more expensive SSD with a Thunderbolt interface.
Hey John, I read your comment and i am interested. Have you tried to boot a macbook from external HDD with dead internal drive? I have a macbook which has failing internal drive and i was thinking to get an external drive to install MacOS so i can still use the notebook.
@@TomislavAutoWeltmk If it has an Intel CPU, yes. Unfortunately, Macs with Apple SOCs (M1, M2 currently) can boot from an external volume but cannot boot at all if their internal volume is completely dead.
True. External SSDs are unreliable. The files/folders in the multiple SSDs I bought collapsed overtime and even became unable to format them again.
Just use internal one.
It used to be possible to have /var/vm be a symlink to an external drive (Use swap/page files on an external drive). I bought a tiny SSD when 32GB was a large SSD had set up my Mac running this way for years. (This was before macs were available with SSDs.) The security features now make this difficult to impossible; I haven't tried, but it would require downgrading security at a minimum, and even then I'm not sure it's doable. If it is do-able, I can say that when I did it, years ago, the machine was fast AND stable.