Just so you know. An old friend of mine works in marketing with underwood. She informed me several weeks ago that underwood was discontinuing the nosler round in the 124gr. 357sig. It is being replaced by the 124gr XTP. The 115gr. 357sig is still being loaded for now with the nosler round. She let me know because my edc round is the 124gr nosler. 357sig. And she knows I'm not a XTP fan, so I could purchase the last remaining nosler loading. I would love for you to test the new XTP offerings in .357sig. I'm very interested in seeing if it performs as well as the nosler. Thanks for all the tests, all of us .357sig carriers appreciate your hard work. And as always hope you have a wonderful day.
As usual, Az, you are doing the best work with .357SIG. I can't think of another content creator who is showcasing this excellent round to the extent that you're doing. Excellent work.
@@TransformersHoarder The real world difference in performance between 1600 and 1700 fps is academic at best. That said I have seen tests where the Sig got 1620 fps velocity out of 5 inch barrels with Underwood ammo.
Loving the 357sig content! Keep it up! Would love to see you get your hands on a ballistic human torso much like Garand Thumb and use the 357sig. This hasnt been done yet. Very pricey though for the torso
One thing about 357SIG is you can be sure to get perfect performance to the upper design limits of JHP's. It would be great to see these 2 cartridges tested with 90gr XD's.
Good test, AZ! I'm a little surprised that the XTP didn't penetrate better but then I've had that problem with them in my 10mm. They tend to over expand and not penetrate very far. I'm also a little surprised at the Nosler bullet as they have, in my experience, pretty much just come apart at the higher velocities. This one was pretty good in that while shooting off a few petals, the bullet mostly held together! Another advantage of the Nosler over the XTP is that a bullet that sheds petals in the wound track does nothing to add to the wounding effect while a bullet that sends fragments outside the wound track definitely does add to the wounding effect. Both of these calibers would benefit from Speer Gold Dots, although they've been a bit hard to aquire lately. Hopefully Speer will be catching up soon! I know I was able to buy some 165 gr. 10mm Gold Dots a while ago from Midway, so I'm pretty happy about that! The Gold Dot is no longer my EDC carry ammo, as I have switched to the Underwood Extreme Defender ammo these days but I do keep the Gold Dots as backup ammo. I would not feel in the least bit handicapped carrying them! And again I will say that I am more impressed by the 357 Sig every time you do another test with it! Honestly, I can't understand why it isn't a lot more popular than it is! Having never shot one, I can't say anything about recoil but I'm pretty sure it can't be worse than 10mm, which is currently going through a resurgence in popularity. Honestly, I wish I'd of known about it a long time ago, I wouldn't even have any 9mm! Anyway, keep up the good work! Cheers, crkckr
Lets face it both of these bullets were designed to be used in a 9mm at 9mm velocities at or under 1200 fps. That said the 357 Sig velocity is closer to their design envelope. This is likely why the Sig got better penetration.
I’ve been watching .357 sig gel block tests and 9/10 times no matter what the round being compared ( whether .45, .40, 9mm +p+ etc ) the sig always wins typically with velocity, energy, wound channel size, penetration and expansion. Truly the ultimate in 9mm rounds which is what it really is but with the 10 mm casing. Not sure why so many prefer a weaker, less effective round
I would bet my family's lives on any of those rounds mentioned. The 9mm .40 and the .45 are all proven man stoppers. I used to think the same way until my son came back from Afghanistan and insisted on me firing his .40 S&W. It would be more truth to say our medical advancements are the reason people survive g.s.w.'s I would say 9 out of 10 people shot with those rounds, even if not "unalived", are not going to mess with you. All rounds are deadly, so I'm not making an argument for or against smaller calibers. I'm just saying it's very, very traumatic to be shot by a .45 ACP .9mm .40 S&W from 25 yards away.
Stating the obvious. If a 6 inch barrel had been used for the 357 Sig it's velocity would have been well into the 1600s range. This as Paul Harrell would say is not enough difference to make a difference at these velocities.
Great job as always. That Dillon is definitely observably more powerful than the Sig but the Sig is still putting on a good show. It is not an inferior option to be sure. They are both excellent options for personal protection. The G40 is a good home defense option while the G19 & G17 size are more appropriate for carry as well as home defense. The Dillon is very interested I wasn't very familiar with it until you featured it. Many thanks & well done.
I'm loving seeing calibres like these tested especially 9x25mm dillon, There is basically no1 testing this round seriously except you lol, Please get some other properly loaded 9x25mm plz, Also 40 super is another example of a top tier auto calibre that has no1 testing it, I don't know how but if you set up an equipment fund for ammo and maybe conversion barrels so we can all chip in a bit for testing these type rounds I'd definitely chip in, And it wouldn't take a lot from many subs to get a decent budget together, Many hands make for light work.
Underwood makes a 9x25 Dillon load with the 90 gr Xtreme Defender bullet from Lehigh, could you fire that against one of the 124/125 grain 9x25 hollowpoints Underwood loads as a comparison? Thank you
I am very curious on if glock will release the gen5 lineup of 357sig. A little worried they havent yet. If they dont, who is still making 357sig handguns?!
For the time being I think you’re unfortunately correct. Stealth arms seems to be an exception as they did say they will be releasing a platypus in 357sig.
Much appreciated for making this comparision :) Looks like a 9x22 sig has better penetration overall, but 9x25 dillon left more energy in thet gel at the expense of lower penetration. I wonder how it would look on balistic clay.
@AZ, Could you test Underwood 45 Super 135gr Xtreme Defender. It’s a very interesting looking round. I understand that you can fire it out of a 45 that can handle 45 ACP +P because it’s such a light projectile for 45 ACP at 135gr. On paper it resembles 357 Sig but it’s larger in diameter so no clue what to expect when it impacts that ballistic gel recipe of yours.
Id love to see .357 sig make a comeback. It seems all but forgotten to most people. Higher pressure cartridges are trending for sure. i like it
Just so you know. An old friend of mine works in marketing with underwood. She informed me several weeks ago that underwood was discontinuing the nosler round in the 124gr. 357sig. It is being replaced by the 124gr XTP. The 115gr. 357sig is still being loaded for now with the nosler round. She let me know because my edc round is the 124gr nosler. 357sig. And she knows I'm not a XTP fan, so I could purchase the last remaining nosler loading. I would love for you to test the new XTP offerings in .357sig. I'm very interested in seeing if it performs as well as the nosler. Thanks for all the tests, all of us .357sig carriers appreciate your hard work. And as always hope you have a wonderful day.
Any chance of Underwood loading the 124 grain Speer Gold Dot again?
I asked her, and her response was "not any time soon".....
@@thomascozart1095I asked her, and her response was "not any time soon"....
Ask her if Critical Duty is an option
Save me some that nosler is treacherous
357 Sig is completely underrated and is a great cartridge
As usual, Az, you are doing the best work with .357SIG. I can't think of another content creator who is showcasing this excellent round to the extent that you're doing. Excellent work.
Great view of impact and the wallop those evil things have....lol
Super impressed with the 357sig. Similar results and more practical. Winner 357 sig. Great test.
First I’ve seen the 9x25 Dillion tested. Pretty interesting round, but I’ll stick with my .357 Sig. Great videos.
Stick with it, especially since the results were so nice even with an inch and a half less barrel length.
@@TransformersHoarder I have a 6 inch barrel for my 357 Sig so I guess I have both 357 Sig and 9X25 Dillon performance!
@@kennethferguson4283 out of a 6” I think it would be about a 100 fps slower but close enough.
@@TransformersHoarder The real world difference in performance between 1600 and 1700 fps is academic at best. That said I have seen tests where the Sig got 1620 fps velocity out of 5 inch barrels with Underwood ammo.
Yay for more 357 Sig testing !!!!
Nice video appreciating the 357 Sig videos
Loving the 357sig content! Keep it up! Would love to see you get your hands on a ballistic human torso much like Garand Thumb and use the 357sig. This hasnt been done yet. Very pricey though for the torso
Great comparison. I’m always impressed with the 357 sig penetration
One thing about 357SIG is you can be sure to get perfect performance to the upper design limits of JHP's. It would be great to see these 2 cartridges tested with 90gr XD's.
There are no losers here. Great review. Thanks for posting.
Good test, AZ! I'm a little surprised that the XTP didn't penetrate better but then I've had that problem with them in my 10mm. They tend to over expand and not penetrate very far. I'm also a little surprised at the Nosler bullet as they have, in my experience, pretty much just come apart at the higher velocities. This one was pretty good in that while shooting off a few petals, the bullet mostly held together! Another advantage of the Nosler over the XTP is that a bullet that sheds petals in the wound track does nothing to add to the wounding effect while a bullet that sends fragments outside the wound track definitely does add to the wounding effect.
Both of these calibers would benefit from Speer Gold Dots, although they've been a bit hard to aquire lately. Hopefully Speer will be catching up soon! I know I was able to buy some 165 gr. 10mm Gold Dots a while ago from Midway, so I'm pretty happy about that! The Gold Dot is no longer my EDC carry ammo, as I have switched to the Underwood Extreme Defender ammo these days but I do keep the Gold Dots as backup ammo. I would not feel in the least bit handicapped carrying them!
And again I will say that I am more impressed by the 357 Sig every time you do another test with it! Honestly, I can't understand why it isn't a lot more popular than it is! Having never shot one, I can't say anything about recoil but I'm pretty sure it can't be worse than 10mm, which is currently going through a resurgence in popularity. Honestly, I wish I'd of known about it a long time ago, I wouldn't even have any 9mm! Anyway, keep up the good work!
Cheers,
crkckr
Lets face it both of these bullets were designed to be used in a 9mm at 9mm velocities at or under 1200 fps. That said the 357 Sig velocity is closer to their design envelope. This is likely why the Sig got better penetration.
I’ve been watching .357 sig gel block tests and 9/10 times no matter what the round being compared ( whether .45, .40, 9mm +p+ etc ) the sig always wins typically with velocity, energy, wound channel size, penetration and expansion. Truly the ultimate in 9mm rounds which is what it really is but with the 10 mm casing. Not sure why so many prefer a weaker, less effective round
I would bet my family's lives on any of those rounds mentioned. The 9mm .40 and the .45 are all proven man stoppers. I used to think the same way until my son came back from Afghanistan and insisted on me firing his .40 S&W. It would be more truth to say our medical advancements are the reason people survive g.s.w.'s I would say 9 out of 10 people shot with those rounds, even if not "unalived", are not going to mess with you.
All rounds are deadly, so I'm not making an argument for or against smaller calibers. I'm just saying it's very, very traumatic to be shot by a .45 ACP .9mm .40 S&W from 25 yards away.
What case is the 9x25 loaded from?
@@Puazy_7051 The 9x25 Dillon uses a necked down 10mm case and the 357 Sig uses a necked down 40 case.
Id love to see glasier power ball vs safty slug blue vs safty slug silver!
Very good test with unusual cartridges. Both were devastating for pistol rounds. Thanks for your test..... we missed you for a while.
Thanks!
Stating the obvious. If a 6 inch barrel had been used for the 357 Sig it's velocity would have been well into the 1600s range. This as Paul Harrell would say is not enough difference to make a difference at these velocities.
No way
It would have been great if you tested the Underwood 90 gr Xtreme defender in both calibers. The Dillon is pushing that pill at 2,000 fps!
Great job as always. That Dillon is definitely observably more powerful than the Sig but the Sig is still putting on a good show. It is not an inferior option to be sure. They are both excellent options for personal protection. The G40 is a good home defense option while the G19 & G17 size are more appropriate for carry as well as home defense. The Dillon is very interested I wasn't very familiar with it until you featured it. Many thanks & well done.
If the Sig had an extra 2" of barrel like the Dillion round did, it would not be that observably more powerful.
Nice....How about 357 magnum 180gr buffalo bore vs 41 magnum 210 grain buffalo bore next?
I'm loving seeing calibres like these tested especially 9x25mm dillon,
There is basically no1 testing this round seriously except you lol,
Please get some other properly loaded 9x25mm plz,
Also 40 super is another example of a top tier auto calibre that has no1 testing it,
I don't know how but if you set up an equipment fund for ammo and maybe conversion barrels so we can all chip in a bit for testing these type rounds I'd definitely chip in,
And it wouldn't take a lot from many subs to get a decent budget together,
Many hands make for light work.
Underwood makes a 9x25 Dillon load with the 90 gr Xtreme Defender bullet from Lehigh, could you fire that against one of the 124/125 grain 9x25 hollowpoints Underwood loads as a comparison? Thank you
Basically the same round. Dillon 9x25 .357 SIG 9x22. The only real test is which is priced more reasonable.
I am very curious on if glock will release the gen5 lineup of 357sig. A little worried they havent yet. If they dont, who is still making 357sig handguns?!
I asked a glock rep at the 2024 NRA meeting in dallas. They will not be releasing a gen 5 for the 357sig.
@@youtubewatcher4792 Had a feeling. I'm guessing it will be that way for all gun manufacturers?
For the time being I think you’re unfortunately correct. Stealth arms seems to be an exception as they did say they will be releasing a platypus in 357sig.
@@youtubewatcher4792 I'm not familiar with what that is at all. I will have to research and check it out.
Drop in barrels seem to be the way to go. I actually carry a S&W PC .40 ported shield with the 357 SIg conversion barrel.
What temperature do you keep your blocks at when you start testing
@@franklinmarks7845 39⁰F
Much appreciated for making this comparision :) Looks like a 9x22 sig has better penetration overall, but 9x25 dillon left more energy in thet gel at the expense of lower penetration. I wonder how it would look on balistic clay.
It would look like nothing because there would be nothing left to look at.
@@TransformersHoarder Got that right!
@@TransformersHoarder This can be said about virtually most of the ammunition tested here. The difference lays in the details.
Dayumm those are some crazy results
Have you tested the 357sig XTP round?
Great show and both don't play..lol
Have you ever tested the Fort Scott 357 Sig?
@AZ, Could you test Underwood 45 Super 135gr Xtreme Defender. It’s a very interesting looking round. I understand that you can fire it out of a 45 that can handle 45 ACP +P because it’s such a light projectile for 45 ACP at 135gr. On paper it resembles 357 Sig but it’s larger in diameter so no clue what to expect when it impacts that ballistic gel recipe of yours.
Thank you Brother!
SWEET!!!
The 9x25 is a 357 Sig magnum. Obviously the magnum version is going to do more damage
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Two nasty calibers
Absolute crap comparison with those different barrel lengths.
@@hvymax Maybe u can do it better on ur channel. Thanks for watching!!
Always 357 Sig won the test