@@zherean42069 the original comment was not trying to say that a parent dying isn’t painful, just that it’s a different, much tougher feeling to lose a child. Everyone who dies of old age would see their parents die, so having to outlive your child who had so much more time is a very different pain, but both horrible nonetheless
This hits harder when you realise Mike's son has been in a similar situation as Nacho and Mike got revenge on the killers of his son and wants to avenge Nacho in the same way
Facts man well said. It’s heartbreaking because Nacho’s dad is right and Mike knows that. He’s already gotten his revenge but he’s still a broken man :(
This is the typical Mexican immigrant father. Seriously over 59% of them are just like this. They don’t deserve kids like Nacho and Tuco and the Twins. Mexican fathers are great they deserve better than what we give them.
There’s a fine line between justice and revenge at times. Is it just for violent criminals to receive no punishment? Could the government actually convict these men? Some might say it’s just for a murderer to be murdered.
@@icarusfx you could argue that, but in this situation, Nacho was killed because of the criminal line of work he chose for himself. There is no justice in a business built on the idea of evading justice
Because one man wanted revenge and the father was the man Mike could have been. But now he is a frail man hiding under a giant badass coat of armor, hoping to get revenge in the name of justice
And despite the show quite literally ending with Mike being told he's wrong and he's not any better than the likes of Tyrus and Victor, people still praise him as the hero of the BB/BCS universe
Damn the way the camera shifts to where Mike is now behind the fence. That is top tier cinematography. The audience thought that Nacho's dad was the one who was blindfolded, trapped in his own ignorance. But really it was Mike all along.
The shot with them staring at each other between the fence really shows they’re similarities. They both lost their sons but they reacted to it differently. Mike wants justice but all that does is create more violence however he feels he is doing something about the evil in world. Nachos dad doesn’t want revenge he wants his son to be with him and alive. He is devastated but he doesn’t care at all what happens to the people who caused his sons death. He’s got no fight left in him.
@@mtgspanglish731 and what is that? Not fighting, not getting revenge. He didn’t go to police after nacho died either. He gave the cartel no fight bc he knows there is no light at the end of the tunnel with that path. So I do think the term “no fight left” is correct bc nachos dad doesn’t do anything after his sons death. What do u think fight means?
@@grumpymonkeyenterprises6413 Dude making your name proud...don't be so grumpy. He will fight for a better future, continue his honest job, no dirty money. He lost his son but even that wont affect his moral compass or values. He is fighting, but by staying true to what he believes. Well that's my perception anyway. You can have your and I won't tell you "you are wrong" we just share different perspectives. I'm a former fighter, work security for 6 years, believe me I know the difference between those 2 characters.
Way to tell you didnt understand the shot at all lmao. The scene right after this had nacho’s father walking away as mike stands behind the mesh fence. The show is telling us Mike is forever trapped behind his cycle of revenge and crime. Meanwhile nacho’s dad walked away, free from it all. And it all culminates in mike dying with all the money he left for his granddaughter lost. Its one of the focal points of breaking bad: Crime doesnt pay.
Alright you go up to a grieving father and tell him his son got brutally beat up before his death. Mike purposefully lied to bring at least some comfort.
I would so rather get beat up than get tortured by cartel, didn't you see the tools they had in the back of their car when Bolsa was interrogating Nacho?
I mean it’s pretty clear what he meant, he took bruises and shot himself in the head instead of being tortured by the cartel, which would most likely be stuff like being skinned alive. I’d say compared to that, Nacho didn’t even had a scratch on him.
A deep respect to Mike for telling him outright. Like he doesn't want to say it but he would tell him how and what happened if Nacho wanted to know out of respect
The scene makes it look like a reflection of both Mike & Nacho father both in different sides of life at a crossroad with their older selves of what could've been if their shoes had been in the other.
@@maylabrown4584 the correct line is Mimir: Odin will get justice - Kratos: Justice? Justice is not what we seek. What we seek is vengeance... Every path i walk leads to vengeance... Which sounds very similar to what Nacho's dad said.
Both old men that had lost their sons. But Mike knew he would never be like Nacho's dad. A good guy doing honest business. That's why he said to Jesse that a man could never change in El Camino. Mike was in the game at that point.
Walter White was the Grim Reaper for the Underworld. If it wasn't for him, Gus would have never been able to actually take out the Cartel and the Salamancas. Walter then finishes everything left of the business by killing Gus and then dying himself.
Eventually he’d be right igz. The entire cartel was killed but it wasn’t justice to an extent. And even if it was it doesn’t matter. His son is dead. Revenge won’t bring him back.
Mike Ermintrout was an extraordinary character . Probably one of the realest men you will meet in life if your lucky to come across . Loyal to fring ,didn't kill Walt for his fuck ups Wich was a mistake but he was a great man and a killer at the same time .
What Manuel Varga says at the end really resonates with Gustavo Frings plan. All this time planning and carefully taking revenge all for it to just blow up on his face in an instant.
Notice how the fence separates them? Mike is vulnerable in the outside world, adapted to changes, but still stuck in the game. Nacho's dad is within the fence. Confined yet safe, but in pain because he lost his only son to the cruel world. No one got a happy ending personally but it was nice seeing them separate each other with just that fence.
What a profound sounding man. To say that no justice can be achieved. He cant be brought back, we cant atone for his mistakes, we cant change the past, only take revenge, and continue the cycle. Poor poor man, it must be awful.
Gave it to him straight. Imagine the poor parents who never know. They will always fear the worst yet hold on to a hope they know is a lie. And then thinking of them suffering... Goodness me. Mike did this guy a solid.
Sometimes revenge and justice are the same thing. I hate how movies and shows try to sound all high and mighty, like they have some kind of deeper wisdom. Want wisdom? Not all revenge is worth it.. but sometimes it sure as f*ck is
Its really sad. Honestly EVERY Mexican American father I've met would do anything to make sure their son is okay. They'd take a bullet for them. And yes every father loves their kids but there's something about the love you can see between a Mexican father and his son.
I agree, nacho could have told lalo about Gus' plans, they could've faked lalo's death together, he was too scared for his father but the salmancas could've killed his father for revenge anyway
Nacho was trying to protect his father from evil men. He called him soft but a good man. An honest man, that would do the right thing when confronted by evil. Even now, after his son's death he knows that revenge is a pointless unending cycle. How any you not sacrifice yourself for a loving and wise father. Still, pretty sad.
Jesus christ, he was a worried parent through out the series for his son. What killed me was that he was right, this isn't justice. There wasn't even any "justice" :(
Notice how Mike is in the fenced-in part, symbolizing his need for "justice" is keeping him in the cycle of revenge, but Nacho's dad doesn't yearn for what he realizes is revenge and accepts what has happened, hence why he's not fenced in. He's not trapped in the cycle.
@@nonyabuissness5128 its more justice then sending them to prison; which does nothing, crimminals operate gangs, you dont kill the snakes head you didnt do shit.
i feel the scene where it shows them both across the fence and how close mike is and how far nachos dad is says something. not sure what necessarily but, there is some symbolism there
Two men suffering from the same pain, Mike trying to relate feeling they're in the same boat but Manuel making it known that they couldn't be farther from similar.
Damn, literally two sides of the fence. Nacho’s dad understood immediately and didn’t even get mad. He just knew his son died for something good he believed in, but his dad just wants the violence to end. Makes me feel this isn’t the first time Nacho’s had a son involved with the cartel in some way.
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A parent outliving their child will always be one of the most horrible things a person can go through.
Absolutely. When we lost my brother, the devastation my parents went through is something they never quite recovered from.
A son dying or a parent dying are both horrible things imo
@@zherean42069 the original comment was not trying to say that a parent dying isn’t painful, just that it’s a different, much tougher feeling to lose a child. Everyone who dies of old age would see their parents die, so having to outlive your child who had so much more time is a very different pain, but both horrible nonetheless
Mean flex, though.
@@mikehawkheir5554 - 🤓
This hits harder when you realise Mike's son has been in a similar situation as Nacho and Mike got revenge on the killers of his son and wants to avenge Nacho in the same way
Was about to say this. Well said
Facts man well said. It’s heartbreaking because Nacho’s dad is right and Mike knows that. He’s already gotten his revenge but he’s still a broken man :(
I didn’t think about that. Definitely adds a layer to the scene.
Didn’t mike kill nacho
@@shaheembanks8058hell nah bro
Mike is the right guy to be at peoples funerals ❤😢
His voice is just right for it
@@monk545 his face though looks like hes bored asf 😂
the dad is tbh
Mike is a POS in this scene
If I saw Jonathan Banks at a funeral, I would ask him how our mutual loved one _really_ died.
I felt so sorry for his dad. Such an honorable man. Despite Nacho doing shit, you could see that he was well raised.
And despite all that he still fell into a bad life
@@Gameprojordan Fish have to swim
@@Gameprojordan
Poor circumstance’ll do that to you
This is the typical Mexican immigrant father. Seriously over 59% of them are just like this. They don’t deserve kids like Nacho and Tuco and the Twins. Mexican fathers are great they deserve better than what we give them.
These shows were developed to give kids like you deeper understanding, but it's up to you to pay attention @@Gameprojordan
''It's not justice, It's revenge!'' I really respect the person who wrote the dialogues.
There’s a fine line between justice and revenge at times.
Is it just for violent criminals to receive no punishment?
Could the government actually convict these men?
Some might say it’s just for a murderer to be murdered.
@@icarusfx you could argue that, but in this situation, Nacho was killed because of the criminal line of work he chose for himself. There is no justice in a business built on the idea of evading justice
Justice is bullshit
At least he's honest not pretending like that's not what really happens
Gotta appreciate the cinematography of the final shot. The parallel, the divide of the fence. They love doing those kinds of camera shots.
When nachos dad said that, it opened my eyes and I realized that it's just a never ending cycle of violence.
Man's never finished naruto
man shutcho goofy ah up. my guy says this then goes on fortnite to scream racial slurs XD
@@S4LT3DD I don't like Naruto that show is boring
@@RandomUser-hk5uj I'm talking about gang shit idk why you bring up Fortnite kid.
@@thecricket1564 someone said fortnite? 😂RUclips shorts lids
I like how Mike always tought he was in right, and then Nacho's dad just fucking destroyed him with one simple sentence
Because one man wanted revenge and the father was the man Mike could have been. But now he is a frail man hiding under a giant badass coat of armor, hoping to get revenge in the name of justice
And despite the show quite literally ending with Mike being told he's wrong and he's not any better than the likes of Tyrus and Victor, people still praise him as the hero of the BB/BCS universe
My favourite part is when mike said, "there's gonna be justice, we're gonna call Saul"
Omg 😲 😱 😲 😱 😲 😱 😲
It’s Goodman time
And then Saul started sauling everywhere 😱😱 Crazy
What happened to my comment?
@@dense331 Sometimes RUclips deletes comments for some or no reason.
Damn the way the camera shifts to where Mike is now behind the fence. That is top tier cinematography. The audience thought that Nacho's dad was the one who was blindfolded, trapped in his own ignorance. But really it was Mike all along.
Nacho's father was a great human being!
it feels so sad to see him in that situation💔..
The shot with them staring at each other between the fence really shows they’re similarities. They both lost their sons but they reacted to it differently. Mike wants justice but all that does is create more violence however he feels he is doing something about the evil in world. Nachos dad doesn’t want revenge he wants his son to be with him and alive. He is devastated but he doesn’t care at all what happens to the people who caused his sons death. He’s got no fight left in him.
The statement of "no fight left" is incorrect. He knows exactly what's worthy of fighting for, just revenge is not worthy in his mind.
@@mtgspanglish731 and what is that? Not fighting, not getting revenge. He didn’t go to police after nacho died either. He gave the cartel no fight bc he knows there is no light at the end of the tunnel with that path. So I do think the term “no fight left” is correct bc nachos dad doesn’t do anything after his sons death. What do u think fight means?
@@grumpymonkeyenterprises6413 Dude making your name proud...don't be so grumpy. He will fight for a better future, continue his honest job, no dirty money. He lost his son but even that wont affect his moral compass or values. He is fighting, but by staying true to what he believes. Well that's my perception anyway. You can have your and I won't tell you "you are wrong" we just share different perspectives. I'm a former fighter, work security for 6 years, believe me I know the difference between those 2 characters.
@@mtgspanglish731 well said
Way to tell you didnt understand the shot at all lmao. The scene right after this had nacho’s father walking away as mike stands behind the mesh fence. The show is telling us Mike is forever trapped behind his cycle of revenge and crime. Meanwhile nacho’s dad walked away, free from it all.
And it all culminates in mike dying with all the money he left for his granddaughter lost. Its one of the focal points of breaking bad: Crime doesnt pay.
"It was over fast, no pain, your son knows the definition of insanity"
brooooo, you did not-
"No pain" Yeah right with all those bruises he got from Mike for the sake of "being realistic"
I think he meant the fact he shot himself in the head
Alright you go up to a grieving father and tell him his son got brutally beat up before his death. Mike purposefully lied to bring at least some comfort.
I would so rather get beat up than get tortured by cartel, didn't you see the tools they had in the back of their car when Bolsa was interrogating Nacho?
I think when the cartel catches you and they only give you bruises you can count that as no pain
I mean it’s pretty clear what he meant, he took bruises and shot himself in the head instead of being tortured by the cartel, which would most likely be stuff like being skinned alive. I’d say compared to that, Nacho didn’t even had a scratch on him.
Perfect example of Music running a Scene
Whats name of the song?
@@Samuellalduhzela 7 weeks 3 days by yungatita (slowed + reverb)
Found it ruclips.net/video/j5VBHR6-fk0/видео.html
Man "he landed with bad people but he was not like them" bro knows how to tell it straight and kindly
"I'm sorry, he won't be found" really does break my heart hearing it...
Nachos dad is the only dude to humble mike right here
I love how the fence symbolizes how they are on extremely different paths in life. At least thats what im choosing to think 🤟🏼
Yeah, two sides of the same coin. Similar losses but different approaches to how they view it and move forward
even if that isn't what it means it's really telling how well made it is that people can find meaning like that in something so simple
Mikes character is so well written. Dh should’ve gotten his own show
He quite literally did
"I want my son, not justice"
felt so bad for nachos dad. he was a good man and didn’t deserve what his son brought to his family
Nahco's dad was one of the only people who was able to shut Mike down with a single line, telling him that revenge isn't the answer.
A deep respect to Mike for telling him outright. Like he doesn't want to say it but he would tell him how and what happened if Nacho wanted to know out of respect
The scene makes it look like a reflection of both Mike & Nacho father both in different sides of life at a crossroad with their older selves of what could've been if their shoes had been in the other.
I love the parallels. One on either side of the fence. One honest and hard working. The other honest but in evil business.
nachos dad is free, while mike is caged in.
Mimir : Odin will get a Justice
Kratos : Justice? Wherever a Path I walk it's always Vengeance
Barely makes sense but okay
@@maylabrown4584play gow 5
@@samuelfunk5508 I did brainlet, comprehension wise it barely makes sense.
@@maylabrown4584 the correct line is
Mimir: Odin will get justice -
Kratos: Justice? Justice is not what we seek. What we seek is vengeance... Every path i walk leads to vengeance...
Which sounds very similar to what Nacho's dad said.
@@S0LUR1 Yeah I know, I said comprehension wise it doesn't make much sense, not that the quote itself is a false equivalence.
Nacho VERY quickly became my favorite character while watching the entire Better Call Saul Series for the first time!!
Both old men that had lost their sons. But Mike knew he would never be like Nacho's dad. A good guy doing honest business. That's why he said to Jesse that a man could never change in El Camino. Mike was in the game at that point.
*It never ends*
Mike, Jesse, and Gus to Cartel: *I'm about to end this man's whole career*
bro this is messed up man 😐
Walter White was the Grim Reaper for the Underworld. If it wasn't for him, Gus would have never been able to actually take out the Cartel and the Salamancas. Walter then finishes everything left of the business by killing Gus and then dying himself.
@@vn9574wait I feel dumb, how is Gus wiping out the Cartel due to Walter White’s actions?
Revenge can make justice... If you stitch it right...
No man… because you’re revenge will be someone else’s cause for justice. Remember the seeker of revenge will be sought after in the Same light
@@donavinflintoff7168 Then you die like a fool or like a homosexual
“It never ends”
Eventually he’d be right igz. The entire cartel was killed but it wasn’t justice to an extent. And even if it was it doesn’t matter. His son is dead. Revenge won’t bring him back.
@@georgec9384 I mean even with the cartel gone the bloodbath only continued with Walter
Mike Ermintrout was an extraordinary character . Probably one of the realest men you will meet in life if your lucky to come across . Loyal to fring ,didn't kill Walt for his fuck ups Wich was a mistake but he was a great man and a killer at the same time .
What Manuel Varga says at the end really resonates with Gustavo Frings plan. All this time planning and carefully taking revenge all for it to just blow up on his face in an instant.
Notice how the fence separates them? Mike is vulnerable in the outside world, adapted to changes, but still stuck in the game. Nacho's dad is within the fence. Confined yet safe, but in pain because he lost his only son to the cruel world. No one got a happy ending personally but it was nice seeing them separate each other with just that fence.
Mike knew what it was like to outlive your own child. He was the best choice to deliver the news
"Revenge is a fool's game" - Arthur Morgan
The last shot of nachos dad being basically free and mike still stuck kinda hits hard
The saddest thing a man could ever endure. losing his son
What a profound sounding man. To say that no justice can be achieved. He cant be brought back, we cant atone for his mistakes, we cant change the past, only take revenge, and continue the cycle. Poor poor man, it must be awful.
No pain no gain
Gave it to him straight. Imagine the poor parents who never know. They will always fear the worst yet hold on to a hope they know is a lie. And then thinking of them suffering... Goodness me.
Mike did this guy a solid.
It's ironic how they both are separated by the fence indicating them having different perspectives of life despite being the same age.
The smile on his face turning instantly to a solemn frown is heartbreaking. I love Mike for avenging Nacho
nachos dad right ngl, it never ends
Nacho's dad is such a sweetheart ngl sadas shít when i see him like this
Song: 7 weeks and 3 days instrumental slowed reverb
Thx m8
I think this the particular song ruclips.net/video/j5VBHR6-fk0/видео.html
Man this is heartbreaking
“My boy is gone”
Mike is in a cage. Nacho's Dad is not. Amazing cinematography.
"No parent should have to bury their child." - Théoden, King of Rohan
Sometimes revenge and justice are the same thing. I hate how movies and shows try to sound all high and mighty, like they have some kind of deeper wisdom. Want wisdom? Not all revenge is worth it.. but sometimes it sure as f*ck is
Mike is perfect at tbhs
This is real. People go through this.. that makes this scene that much more impactful.
When you think about it the justice is brought by Mr White. He killed Frings, Hector, Tyrus, and even Mike
And eventually, justice was also bringed upon him
Its really sad. Honestly EVERY Mexican American father I've met would do anything to make sure their son is okay. They'd take a bullet for them. And yes every father loves their kids but there's something about the love you can see between a Mexican father and his son.
"do you deserve justice? well the constitution says you do- and so do I"📜🪶
-Saul probably
Imagine nacho and lalo working together as a duo. Total domination 💀. Chicken man would be done easily.
I agree, nacho could have told lalo about Gus' plans, they could've faked lalo's death together, he was too scared for his father but the salmancas could've killed his father for revenge anyway
Nachos dad was a good man. How did nacho end up where he did.
Some people just go their own way no matter how well they’re brought up.
@@danel2102 agreed, you can't control influence. I just felt bad for that character.
This man reminds me of my father, this scene always hits me hard because of the resemblance🥺
Nacho was trying to protect his father from evil men. He called him soft but a good man. An honest man, that would do the right thing when confronted by evil. Even now, after his son's death he knows that revenge is a pointless unending cycle. How any you not sacrifice yourself for a loving and wise father. Still, pretty sad.
Like arthur said "vengeance is a fool's game"
Jesus christ, he was a worried parent through out the series for his son. What killed me was that he was right, this isn't justice. There wasn't even any "justice" :(
Notice how Mike is in the fenced-in part, symbolizing his need for "justice" is keeping him in the cycle of revenge, but Nacho's dad doesn't yearn for what he realizes is revenge and accepts what has happened, hence why he's not fenced in. He's not trapped in the cycle.
Nacho Varga and Jimmy were really the hearts of BCS, They took over every scene they were in.
The best part is when Nachos dad said "It's Nachorbin time" and transformed into a nacho and dip
on god
Justice was served to all of them.
No father should ever go through the pain of knowing their child is dead:stranger
My boy is gone💔
Vengeance kills the one who employs it.
Love the background music ❤️❤️
He is right. There will be justice. God has the last say after death
This is why I love mike just a well written character
"Revenge", no killing evil people is justice unless their death is worse. Killing bad people in a way that isnt vengeful is literally not revenge.
I think what he means is that the "justice" won't bring his son back
@@nonyabuissness5128 its more justice then sending them to prison; which does nothing, crimminals operate gangs, you dont kill the snakes head you didnt do shit.
Two fathers who lost their sons, Mike really feels the father pain here...
Probably the wisest character of the show followed closely by erhmantraut
This scene man. Made me just go and hug my dad man.
Mike was a beautiful character
that last season rly had some of the most heart crushing moments in the series
Ngl, nacho looked like hes done with life when ever hes with the salamancas 🤣🤣🤣
Song name: 7 weeks and 3 days(Slowed)
On RUclips, go for the creator named “H A”. It’s also good in Normal speed and sped up.
I love you.
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“Revenge is a fool’s game”
Nacho was a legend. Mike continued to be a legend. Great series great characters. Those actors 😍💯
Revenge is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die
It never ends .
i feel the scene where it shows them both across the fence and how close mike is and how far nachos dad is says something. not sure what necessarily but, there is some symbolism there
Two men suffering from the same pain, Mike trying to relate feeling they're in the same boat but Manuel making it known that they couldn't be farther from similar.
Nacho and Jesse, good souls
Even tho a fence stood between them, there were no barriers between their feelings
papa Nacho was probably the most influential character in Mike's life.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Justice is revenge with no burden, and that's why it's considered "just"
In a world of business, revenge is golden
„It never ends“ that’s deep
Sometimes justice and revenge aren't mutually executed.
it was such a crazy plot twist when it turned out manuel was nachos dad. bravo vince
That “it never ends” hit hard
This is the exact moment Mr. Queso became Mr. Quesoberg
“What you talk of is revenge…It never ends”
This song slaps so damn hard istg 😩 edit- 7 weeks 3 days by yungatita
Do you know the name of the song?
Name the song
@@thetrippingdeity 7 weeks 3 days yungatita
@@lucasjames1602 7 weeks 3 days yungatita
It never ends..
I like how to fence symbolizes two different worlds. Both “good” men in different places
Damn, literally two sides of the fence. Nacho’s dad understood immediately and didn’t even get mad. He just knew his son died for something good he believed in, but his dad just wants the violence to end. Makes me feel this isn’t the first time Nacho’s had a son involved with the cartel in some way.