@chillspirit1545 But...but why to the death? Seriously, why are fights always to the death. Why not till someone says "Ouh Shit, that hurts. I give up."
@@nocomments.5776you need to consider that metas (at least should) constantly shift. even if statistically huntress is better, people are constantly learning more effective counterplay. just because huntress is technically better than she was, putting it in context shows she’s actually quite a bit weaker than a good chunk of killers. personally, i think otz put her a little too low, but somewhere in a- feels alright to me.
@@otsokarhu9695That depends if they're assessing honestly or assessing to make themselves look better. Lots of people will openly say their main is strong.
@@otsokarhu9695That's usually more a tournament thing because people get tired of every Dick and Tom yelling about how the top players are "carried" by their character choice
@@otsokarhu9695tier lists exist to show a character’s potential to do well in comparison to that of others. if players demonstrate more consistent viability through gameplay, they’ve proven the character has more potential than the community previously thought. it’s not (or at least it shouldn’t be) about bragging or looking good because “i play a low tier”
What's this madness? This affront to all good thinking people? A c-tier killer should be b-tier? The gauntlet had been thrown. Get my quill and ink! We shall meet at dawn with Skull Merchant blades.
I think Wraith doesn't fit A tier at all. He can be extremely adaptable when it comes to how he tackles games but he lacks the proper tools to make him good at whatever is going on in the match, which I think is what every killer in A does to an extent. I do however think he should be, next to Xeno, at the top of B, as both pretty much have way more solid kits than the rest of the tier. Both can engage and disengage however they want, they both have excelent mobility through the map and both have a dynamic power when it comes to interacting with the survivors. Idk what otz was smoking but the bottom half of the tier is all over the place.
Another thing (that helps with the gen defense point Scott brought up) is that the Iri addon "All-Seeing: Spirit" or whatever has got to be one of the most powerful addons in the game, and I think the only reason why it's so underrated and slept on by most of the community is that the survivors aren't the ones who directly notice the impact it makes, unlike many other killer addons.
I read the title as if it was saying there was a new killer called the Jokester that was just the Wraith, but better. So much so that it put the Wraith in C tier. Needless to say, the jonkler not being in DbD is still very dissapointing
People really undervalue stealth in general just bc 4 man competitive teams + open maps exist. These aren't common. Not to mention he absolutely destroys any weak links because of how dangerous it is to play while injured
I literally had the craziest swf in my life the other day and I knew they were on comms bc the moment I left the other guys were immediately stealthing away from the gens. and I still got a 4k. they were suuuuper sweaty and very good at looping to the point where if I come to the gen, start a chase and they fake a pallet drop I leave bc I know that the other 3 are already all on gens. the whole thing about deciding whether it is time to fully commit or do I try to injure this one and run was the thing that gave me a 4k. BUT, you have to have a super good idea of where each survivor is and what they are doing at all times. ALSO, 2 WEEKS AGO I TRIED THE SLUG BUILD ON WRAITH. SINCE THEN I NEVER LOST EVEN TO SWFS. IT IS CRAZY POWERFUL. same strategy, but instead of choosing between committing to chase or pressuring gens, you just either commit or go check up on the slugs. the snowball is insane, survivors always run between slugs. gen progress halts to zero. I literally never kick gens anymore
I've been playing a lot of wraith and dracula lately and I was also very surprised to see otzdarva rank him so low. I'm very good with wraith and only lost very few matches.
Wraith is strong, good map pressure, good perk synergies, good add ons across the board. I’d probably say personally he’s high B-, or low B+. He’s great in your average public match but good teams will just take advantage of the fact that he has very little chase power, they’ll chain together multiple windows, play around pallets well and overall there’s nothing super insane about wraith. His add ons are good but there aren’t any that completely elevate him super high like slingers iri coin, or plagues iri seal
I have similar to say about the nemesis, I have him prestige 100 and even though he had a sight buff In range, mutating slightly faster and hinder he will still always be a 3 hit killer
Serpent, Shadow dance, brutal strength, bamboozle, Fire up, and superior anatomy. I'm the vary definition. of a chase wraith and 8 out of 10 times the simple act of getting off a get gets you hit since the moment you get off I just kick the gen, uncloak and you have and it like 5 meters because of how fast it is. Mind game a pallet? No just fake going around cloak and break pallet. Most will have been trying to stay on the other end of the loop so they can't stop you by vaulting. Fire up is just nice the closer to the end of the game and tends you mess up flash light saves because people just don't suspect a killer to be using this perk.
I was also surprised by Wraith's placement. I know he's C tier when I play him, but his mobility puts him higher than most killers, in my opinion. There aren't many mobile killers in the game, but as you can see - every killer with good map pressure is S and A tier except Wraith in his tier list
I think one thing that wasn't in this tierlist that was in previous ones was the graphic for the performance range on each killer; IIRC prior tierlists from Otz put Wraith as being able to perform well above his placement with C being his on-paper strength
What makes me really sad is that Demogorgon is like bottom of C, and just really hasn't changed. Demogorgon really is just the modern jund of dbd - good at everything, unable to excel at any one thing, and punished for it by the game out-growing it. Also they keep putting up bullshit invisible walls to stop demogorgon flying.
ever since bhvr gutted half the maps wraith has been impossible to face in solo q. he used to already be one of the best solo stompers but now its just pointless to even play against.
Probably the easiest killer in the game to learn with a flexible power and add-ons that can make him insanely unfun to play against. So many pallets in the game that he can play around with his uncloak + a free 1st hit almost every time letting you pick and choose where/when you chase. He's good on almost every map and almost impossible to coordinate against indoors, indoor maps also have pallets that are super good for his uncloak(fuck RPD against Wraith). Ever since his whole QoL reworks he's been easily A tier imo.
It really does feel like I have so much control over who to chase and where as wraith. Thats why hes my main even if he doesnt have the strongest power.
I hate how people word vomit their fav streamers opinions as law, I don't think Wraith is as weak as Otz thinks but I don't think he's as strong as Scott's. I think he's a good B. As for Chucky, I don't think his nerfs did THAT much, yes it definitely affects if he can get a survivor before they reach a pallet making him more redactable, but if this tier list is portraying that str of a killer is left to right, there is no realm I can believe or be convinced that Doc is stronger than Chucky or Demo. I'm also assuming this is based on no addons or perks, I can't bear to watch much of Otz's content as the guy produces 2-3 movie length videos on a bi-weekly time frame.
@ScottJund It matters a freaking bunch :/ The difference between starting to run at the start of the uncloak (When you hear the freaking loudest purr) and when you hear the bell makes the difference between reaching Windows/pallets or not, now if you are talking about being far away from something safe that's another story, in those situations you are indeed basically screwed
@@elstrangeenemy887i think hes saying by the time you hear the purr from a good wraith behind a wall hes already uncloaking and about to hit you, so unless youre on top of a safe window/pallet youre getting hit
@@adamstapley6995I mean not unless you’re playing with the game quiet or not really paying attention tbh? Which is certainly true of some players, but not good ones
I've honestly heard wraith breathing far ahead of time before he rang the bell,and I am at most an average survivor and that's it. So might just be a skill issue
Wraith in C tier? Why I oughta... -- I do have to agree though, I think Wraith is at least high B. While he doesn't have the strongest or flashiest chase power, I think he has more flexibility in deciding what he's going to do and when he's going to do it, which a lot of other killers can't boast. He's deceptively tricky to play effectively for this reason, because while he's a great character for beginners to pick up, it does take a good understanding of the game to play him effectively wrt knowing when to drop chase, when to approach from different angles, etc.
Hit and run is map dependent against good survivors even out of comms for the simple fact of... if you can pay attention to crow movement, you can tell where he's coming from... Map dependent tho paired with paying attention to the HUD of people going in and out of chase to know when to start looking for him
He always put my boy Trapper near the bottom when the reality is if you always stick to using Trapper's 3-4 best add-ons he's actually quite strong, nowhere near the worst.
an opinion is an opinion. i'd say chucky is b-tier now. he can play some pallets, he can sometimes hit you if the pallet are far between loops, he sometimes gets stealth hits but he's not that good at any of these strategies. he's better than pig still at doing this but he also doesn't have reverse bear traps. pig by the way i think is crazy to be D-tier. she's like b-tier as well. lots of killer he puts are way worse.
Wraith is one of those annoying killers that you never want to play against when solo queueing. Always need to heal or you can't do gens safely, always run bamboozle so they chew through pallets, insane mobility so you don't get any distance after a hit. I recently also learned he can counter spam vaulting at pallets and windows and bodyblock the survivor to his side. His addons are also mostly all good that just straight up buff his power.
I love how they've adopted smerf blue as their brand color. And I guess you just can't keep putting out the same tier list for 8 years. So gotta mix it up, pizza style.
I only have about 400 hours in this game but I can definitely say more than half was spent playing wraith, super fun and I never knew he was even beyond C tier 😂 it’s w to see other mains keeping the wraith legend going ❤
This jokester also put Singularity above Spirit lol... I main both, but Spirit is superior to Singu, Singu has a lot more counterplay than Spirit and she excels on every map except for the really big ones, but even so can still do well. Singu suffers on tight corner maps or maps that have lots of LOS breakers or indoor maps. Their chases are also completely different, with Spirit being extremely offensive and Singu being more slow paced than her
Wraith is great at a three gen. People don't use him that way a lot because of his mobility. But if you want to lock down an area you will lock it down.
I super respect Otz and his opinions, and the tier list is mostly fine for the top 10 killers. But after A tier that list is just super cooked. Some really bizarre opinions in there
I agree with most of the placement Otz made but I totally disagree with his ranking for few killers' skill floor and ceiling. For exp he said Dracula has a avg skill floor and I completely disagree with that ranking, I think Dracula skill floor is higher than avg. I struggle ALOT with dracula as someone who played the game for 1500 hours and almost all of those hours at on killer. Sure I agree Dracula is a A tier killer but his not easy or avg to learn, I think he is really hard honestly. Esp wolf which leads me to next disagreement of him saying wolf is an easier wesker, that I feel is completely untrue. I think wesker is so much easier to learn and play than wolf bc A) Wesker dash hitbox is much larger than wolf's and B) You can control when your 2nd dask comes out or even cancel it as wesker.
But Dracula's skill floor isn't very high. If you want, you can avoid wolf form and stick to easy stuff like using bat form purely for mobility and using Hellfire when the survivor is vaulting / animation locked and he'd still be decent.
@@gianglai7346 Otz said the avg player could pick up dracula fairly well. Im pretty sure I count as a avg player and he has been anything but easy for me. His wolf from is the main thing for me, it sucks and doesn't feel good to use AT ALL. If other had better time with him then more power to them I guess. They lucky...
@@GangsterGreg Did I say Dracula was bad? No I actally agree with his placement but his not easy esp if want use Wolf which I do. The thing is I find bat and vamp very boring...using bat like most ppl do to be is boring and I rather play spriti I play him like that. Vamp same way I rather play PH or Huntress if I want to hit ppl over windows and pallets. Wolf the only part I like bc I love wolves but I HATE how it controls. Overall I don't find the killer all that easy as you and otz make him out to be esp the part about wolf. Wolf IMO is the hardest part of his power and what rise his skill floor for me.
@@MrJP6389 Huh, I didn't say you said Dracula was bad??? The point of estimating a skill floor is to quantify the bare minimum of skill required to perform acceptably with a killer, a barrier to entry if you will. In Drac's case, that means not using wolf form so much. As I said, even if you completely ignore wolf form and stick to the easy parts of his kit (bats for mobility, using Hellfire at vaults), he is still a strong killer, hence we can say he doesn't have a high skill floor. He has a high skill ceiling and a lot of room for skill expression but definitely not a high skill floor.
I'm cloakin' hea
Fugetabaaatit
Binga Bong
He's just a bing bong boy! Come on!!!
IM CLOAKIN HEA *DING DING DING* IM CLOAKIN HEAAA
OHHHH whadya doin?
“It okay Scott, Otz cannot hurt you.”
Otz: Puts wraith in C tier
Brooklyn Scott somehow is more vile than Vile Scott
I love it when my 2 favorite Dark Souls RUclipsrs collaborate
i didnt even know otz played dbd before i started playing dbd in 2021
I heard Luigi Mangione’s cousin was the wraith, touching stuff
Glad I'm not the only one who had that thought 😆
my fav videogame luigi's mangione
Talk is cheap. Scott vs otz boxing match when?
Erm....wouldn't a proper 1v1 in DBD settle the matter more fittingly?
@@wjzav1971 no
Boxing matches are for cryptobros and debate perverts, real men settle their differences with hour long kissing on the mouth.
(being silly here)
@@wjzav1971 It has been decided. FIGHT TO THE DEATH.
@chillspirit1545 But...but why to the death? Seriously, why are fights always to the death. Why not till someone says "Ouh Shit, that hurts. I give up."
I fully expected the accent to persist throughout the vid. And I couldnt tell if I was mortified or mesemerized
How Dracula is better then spirit? And huntress in B after buff?
@@nocomments.5776you need to consider that metas (at least should) constantly shift. even if statistically huntress is better, people are constantly learning more effective counterplay. just because huntress is technically better than she was, putting it in context shows she’s actually quite a bit weaker than a good chunk of killers. personally, i think otz put her a little too low, but somewhere in a- feels alright to me.
Who is this jokester and why is he talking trash about Scott’s husband?
zubat?
Wraith never had the makings of a varsity athlete
That thing with the cloak burn, whatever happened there
You ever go and kick a gen, and notice the end of your laces are wet? For what? Why would they be wet?
What is it with you and this obsession with this tier list crap??? When I was a kid you told Trapper and Billy the same thing, it was very huitful.
@@literallyme177 You don't like the way i make tier lists? Get out of my house!
My estimation of wraith as a killer just f*cking plummeted
It's how it usually goes
Otz: Here's my new tier list
P100 Killer: Good list, except MY MAIN should be WAY higher!!
skilled killer main: "my main should be higher"
skill challenged killer main: "my main should be lower"
/s
That doesn't Make sense to me, usually people want their character to Be perceived as low tier, so they seem More skilled
@@otsokarhu9695That depends if they're assessing honestly or assessing to make themselves look better. Lots of people will openly say their main is strong.
@@otsokarhu9695That's usually more a tournament thing because people get tired of every Dick and Tom yelling about how the top players are "carried" by their character choice
@@otsokarhu9695tier lists exist to show a character’s potential to do well in comparison to that of others. if players demonstrate more consistent viability through gameplay, they’ve proven the character has more potential than the community previously thought. it’s not (or at least it shouldn’t be) about bragging or looking good because “i play a low tier”
You and Otz should talk about dbd as he did with Cope
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What's this madness? This affront to all good thinking people?
A c-tier killer should be b-tier?
The gauntlet had been thrown. Get my quill and ink! We shall meet at dawn with Skull Merchant blades.
Scrotum Jaundice
Scoffing Jizz
ok that's pretty funny
And then he put Wraith in C tier! Funniest shit I ever seen!
I think Wraith doesn't fit A tier at all. He can be extremely adaptable when it comes to how he tackles games but he lacks the proper tools to make him good at whatever is going on in the match, which I think is what every killer in A does to an extent.
I do however think he should be, next to Xeno, at the top of B, as both pretty much have way more solid kits than the rest of the tier. Both can engage and disengage however they want, they both have excelent mobility through the map and both have a dynamic power when it comes to interacting with the survivors. Idk what otz was smoking but the bottom half of the tier is all over the place.
Another thing (that helps with the gen defense point Scott brought up) is that the Iri addon "All-Seeing: Spirit" or whatever has got to be one of the most powerful addons in the game, and I think the only reason why it's so underrated and slept on by most of the community is that the survivors aren't the ones who directly notice the impact it makes, unlike many other killer addons.
Thats a good observation. Survs have to use context clues to understand if the Wraith has this addon or not. It’s not bluntly obvious like you said.
I read the title as if it was saying there was a new killer called the Jokester that was just the Wraith, but better. So much so that it put the Wraith in C tier.
Needless to say, the jonkler not being in DbD is still very dissapointing
The Jonkler; power: Gangweed
Yeah but Otz’s cat shirt is straight flames tho
Cant wait for predator to drop and completely overshadow wraith like Dracula to spirit
1:04 Me: "Yeah I actually agree with that."
1:09 Me: "Ok, thats absurd."
Definitely hes probrably around mid b at the highest level
Chatgpt disrespects local ghost
People really undervalue stealth in general just bc 4 man competitive teams + open maps exist. These aren't common.
Not to mention he absolutely destroys any weak links because of how dangerous it is to play while injured
Another day, another video with Dredge catching strays. Leave my flesh turkey alone Scott!
Brooklyn Scott isn't real, he can't hurt you.
Brooklyn Scott:
Wraith with no belll sound add on is amazing. So many gen grabs with it. Especially when combod with the no red stain after uncloaking
“It’s ok Scott from Joisey isn’t real, he can’t hurt you”
Forgedda bout it, itza teelest, he gottis hoobiddy dock parameters an' whadnot for hiz opinions, ya ain't changin' eachodda's minds
I literally had the craziest swf in my life the other day and I knew they were on comms bc the moment I left the other guys were immediately stealthing away from the gens. and I still got a 4k. they were suuuuper sweaty and very good at looping to the point where if I come to the gen, start a chase and they fake a pallet drop I leave bc I know that the other 3 are already all on gens. the whole thing about deciding whether it is time to fully commit or do I try to injure this one and run was the thing that gave me a 4k. BUT, you have to have a super good idea of where each survivor is and what they are doing at all times. ALSO, 2 WEEKS AGO I TRIED THE SLUG BUILD ON WRAITH. SINCE THEN I NEVER LOST EVEN TO SWFS. IT IS CRAZY POWERFUL. same strategy, but instead of choosing between committing to chase or pressuring gens, you just either commit or go check up on the slugs. the snowball is insane, survivors always run between slugs. gen progress halts to zero. I literally never kick gens anymore
"You... STFU about the Dr. here..." xD
I've been playing a lot of wraith and dracula lately and I was also very surprised to see otzdarva rank him so low. I'm very good with wraith and only lost very few matches.
Also wraith is the best at tunneling so you can win matches within minutes by doing that.
Wraith is strong, good map pressure, good perk synergies, good add ons across the board. I’d probably say personally he’s high B-, or low B+. He’s great in your average public match but good teams will just take advantage of the fact that he has very little chase power, they’ll chain together multiple windows, play around pallets well and overall there’s nothing super insane about wraith. His add ons are good but there aren’t any that completely elevate him super high like slingers iri coin, or plagues iri seal
wraith is the best killer to play as for new player, and I will die on this hill
Meh. His chase power is very unique. He won't teach you proper M1 chasing.
Wraith is high B tier. B tier for Bing-Bong-Bell. =)
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@brianhillman5867 agree B- to C Tier.
A tier killers are Blight Nurse Wesker Huntress.... Wraith don't belong in the "ignore most tiles" category.
No, he indeed is A. It's borderline impossible to lose a pub match with him.
@@Antarctide I lost a pub match with him. Explain yourself or suffer 100 matches of Nurse!
His hair is blue thus his brain is dead
ive been replaying borderlands 3 and theres a character in the dlc with this exact voice and its kind of amazing how close your impression is
I have similar to say about the nemesis, I have him prestige 100 and even though he had a sight buff In range, mutating slightly faster and hinder he will still always be a 3 hit killer
Wraith is a simple killer. Wraith is an effective killer
ya I think otz kinda forgot about the "Assuming a public match setting," rule on this one, but he is still the goat
Serpent, Shadow dance, brutal strength, bamboozle, Fire up, and superior anatomy. I'm the vary definition. of a chase wraith and 8 out of 10 times the simple act of getting off a get gets you hit since the moment you get off I just kick the gen, uncloak and you have and it like 5 meters because of how fast it is. Mind game a pallet? No just fake going around cloak and break pallet. Most will have been trying to stay on the other end of the loop so they can't stop you by vaulting.
Fire up is just nice the closer to the end of the game and tends you mess up flash light saves because people just don't suspect a killer to be using this perk.
For 75% of my survivors matches, Wraiths always get 3k to 4k
I was also surprised by Wraith's placement. I know he's C tier when I play him, but his mobility puts him higher than most killers, in my opinion. There aren't many mobile killers in the game, but as you can see - every killer with good map pressure is S and A tier except Wraith in his tier list
I think one thing that wasn't in this tierlist that was in previous ones was the graphic for the performance range on each killer; IIRC prior tierlists from Otz put Wraith as being able to perform well above his placement with C being his on-paper strength
Not the worst Tarantino impression I’ve heard
my boy Dredge catching so many strays
What makes me really sad is that Demogorgon is like bottom of C, and just really hasn't changed. Demogorgon really is just the modern jund of dbd - good at everything, unable to excel at any one thing, and punished for it by the game out-growing it. Also they keep putting up bullshit invisible walls to stop demogorgon flying.
that blue hear just screams
"HOW DO YOU DO, FELLOW KIDS?"
Otz dragging out Scotts Brooklyn rage isn't something i would have thought I'd see. But boy did i
ever since bhvr gutted half the maps wraith has been impossible to face in solo q. he used to already be one of the best solo stompers but now its just pointless to even play against.
Probably the easiest killer in the game to learn with a flexible power and add-ons that can make him insanely unfun to play against. So many pallets in the game that he can play around with his uncloak + a free 1st hit almost every time letting you pick and choose where/when you chase. He's good on almost every map and almost impossible to coordinate against indoors, indoor maps also have pallets that are super good for his uncloak(fuck RPD against Wraith). Ever since his whole QoL reworks he's been easily A tier imo.
I wonder if Otz will make a tier list to compete with Not Otz’s tier list.
I’ve always had success with wraith, can’t say that for every killer
The wraith never had the makings of a varsity athlete
I need to see Scott’s tier list for all the killers with a solid criteria.
It really does feel like I have so much control over who to chase and where as wraith. Thats why hes my main even if he doesnt have the strongest power.
he is more rounded than dredge, but dredge will always have lockers near 3 of the 7 generators on any map, so he can keep the final stages shutdown.
I guess the collab will be waiting now 😂😂😂
There's no way Wraith isn't in the bottom half of the roster. Source: I don't like him.
I hate how people word vomit their fav streamers opinions as law, I don't think Wraith is as weak as Otz thinks but I don't think he's as strong as Scott's. I think he's a good B. As for Chucky, I don't think his nerfs did THAT much, yes it definitely affects if he can get a survivor before they reach a pallet making him more redactable, but if this tier list is portraying that str of a killer is left to right, there is no realm I can believe or be convinced that Doc is stronger than Chucky or Demo. I'm also assuming this is based on no addons or perks, I can't bear to watch much of Otz's content as the guy produces 2-3 movie length videos on a bi-weekly time frame.
Scottverse is ever expanding
"You can't react to Wraith coming behind a wall cloaked, you just hear the bell and get hit" Do people forget Wraith's breathing is loud as heck?
he purrs like a cat in basically the same range you would begun uncloaking so unless you just sorta sit there it doesnt matter much
@ScottJund It matters a freaking bunch :/ The difference between starting to run at the start of the uncloak (When you hear the freaking loudest purr) and when you hear the bell makes the difference between reaching Windows/pallets or not, now if you are talking about being far away from something safe that's another story, in those situations you are indeed basically screwed
@@elstrangeenemy887i think hes saying by the time you hear the purr from a good wraith behind a wall hes already uncloaking and about to hit you, so unless youre on top of a safe window/pallet youre getting hit
@@adamstapley6995I mean not unless you’re playing with the game quiet or not really paying attention tbh? Which is certainly true of some players, but not good ones
I've honestly heard wraith breathing far ahead of time before he rang the bell,and I am at most an average survivor and that's it. So might just be a skill issue
"Dredge is good on 2 maps"
Why you gotta hurt my boy like that man.
A tier on map control and on information, D tier on chasing. So basically around B tier if played well. D tier if against SWF and large map.
Rowby was right, we did let The Wraith mains flourish for too long
I've always thought after Lightburn, Wraith was slightly over-tuned.
Wraith is B tier IMO, since he is still an M1 killer
So, Spirit also is a B tier killer to you then
Bruh, Ninja roasting da boi Wraith
This was my one big disagreement with the tier list. Not having bad maps is so important.
Same, I was surprised how low ghosty was
80% of this entire list is... questionable.
He put fucking demo in bottom of C tier, bro them fighting words
I literally watched this and was like "Doesn't Scott have him in top 5 or something lmao"
Wraith in C tier? Why I oughta... -- I do have to agree though, I think Wraith is at least high B. While he doesn't have the strongest or flashiest chase power, I think he has more flexibility in deciding what he's going to do and when he's going to do it, which a lot of other killers can't boast. He's deceptively tricky to play effectively for this reason, because while he's a great character for beginners to pick up, it does take a good understanding of the game to play him effectively wrt knowing when to drop chase, when to approach from different angles, etc.
I do think B/C is an ok place for wraith. Also they still haven’t fixed his pallet breaking build… you still don’t get a speed boost.
scott what do u think of his wesker placement?
Hit and run is map dependent against good survivors even out of comms for the simple fact of... if you can pay attention to crow movement, you can tell where he's coming from... Map dependent tho paired with paying attention to the HUD of people going in and out of chase to know when to start looking for him
This dude also put Bubba below dredge...
Wraith go bong bong bong.
This was me everytime Otz put Billy lower than Bubba before his rework.
He always put my boy Trapper near the bottom when the reality is if you always stick to using Trapper's 3-4 best add-ons he's actually quite strong, nowhere near the worst.
Chucky in C tier is even more egregious, tbh
Most of this list is, really. As usual with Otz and his killer tier lists.
an opinion is an opinion. i'd say chucky is b-tier now. he can play some pallets, he can sometimes hit you if the pallet are far between loops, he sometimes gets stealth hits but he's not that good at any of these strategies. he's better than pig still at doing this but he also doesn't have reverse bear traps. pig by the way i think is crazy to be D-tier. she's like b-tier as well. lots of killer he puts are way worse.
Wraith is one of those annoying killers that you never want to play against when solo queueing. Always need to heal or you can't do gens safely, always run bamboozle so they chew through pallets, insane mobility so you don't get any distance after a hit. I recently also learned he can counter spam vaulting at pallets and windows and bodyblock the survivor to his side. His addons are also mostly all good that just straight up buff his power.
I love how they've adopted smerf blue as their brand color. And I guess you just can't keep putting out the same tier list for 8 years. So gotta mix it up, pizza style.
why would tyler ninja blevins put wraith in c
Im just not good at the default mind games and they take very, very long to complete for me so gens grt done too fast if I play wraith :(
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Can we get a discussion collab question mark
I only have about 400 hours in this game but I can definitely say more than half was spent playing wraith, super fun and I never knew he was even beyond C tier 😂 it’s w to see other mains keeping the wraith legend going ❤
Based Scott. Finally someone who understands
A tunneling Wraith is horrific 😩
He's one of the worst at tunneling, so no.
This jokester also put Singularity above Spirit lol...
I main both, but Spirit is superior to Singu, Singu has a lot more counterplay than Spirit and she excels on every map except for the really big ones, but even so can still do well. Singu suffers on tight corner maps or maps that have lots of LOS breakers or indoor maps.
Their chases are also completely different, with Spirit being extremely offensive and Singu being more slow paced than her
Bru no way this video showed up in the middle of me scrolling on shorts.
Wraith is great at a three gen. People don't use him that way a lot because of his mobility. But if you want to lock down an area you will lock it down.
I super respect Otz and his opinions, and the tier list is mostly fine for the top 10 killers. But after A tier that list is just super cooked. Some really bizarre opinions in there
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Rolling down the street in my 64
I agree with most of the placement Otz made but I totally disagree with his ranking for few killers' skill floor and ceiling. For exp he said Dracula has a avg skill floor and I completely disagree with that ranking, I think Dracula skill floor is higher than avg. I struggle ALOT with dracula as someone who played the game for 1500 hours and almost all of those hours at on killer. Sure I agree Dracula is a A tier killer but his not easy or avg to learn, I think he is really hard honestly. Esp wolf which leads me to next disagreement of him saying wolf is an easier wesker, that I feel is completely untrue. I think wesker is so much easier to learn and play than wolf bc A) Wesker dash hitbox is much larger than wolf's and B) You can control when your 2nd dask comes out or even cancel it as wesker.
Well, maybe others have an easier time picking up dracula hence why his skill floor is avg
But Dracula's skill floor isn't very high. If you want, you can avoid wolf form and stick to easy stuff like using bat form purely for mobility and using Hellfire when the survivor is vaulting / animation locked and he'd still be decent.
@@gianglai7346 Otz said the avg player could pick up dracula fairly well. Im pretty sure I count as a avg player and he has been anything but easy for me. His wolf from is the main thing for me, it sucks and doesn't feel good to use AT ALL. If other had better time with him then more power to them I guess. They lucky...
@@GangsterGreg Did I say Dracula was bad? No I actally agree with his placement but his not easy esp if want use Wolf which I do. The thing is I find bat and vamp very boring...using bat like most ppl do to be is boring and I rather play spriti I play him like that. Vamp same way I rather play PH or Huntress if I want to hit ppl over windows and pallets. Wolf the only part I like bc I love wolves but I HATE how it controls. Overall I don't find the killer all that easy as you and otz make him out to be esp the part about wolf. Wolf IMO is the hardest part of his power and what rise his skill floor for me.
@@MrJP6389 Huh, I didn't say you said Dracula was bad??? The point of estimating a skill floor is to quantify the bare minimum of skill required to perform acceptably with a killer, a barrier to entry if you will. In Drac's case, that means not using wolf form so much. As I said, even if you completely ignore wolf form and stick to the easy parts of his kit (bats for mobility, using Hellfire at vaults), he is still a strong killer, hence we can say he doesn't have a high skill floor. He has a high skill ceiling and a lot of room for skill expression but definitely not a high skill floor.
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Yes I agree...Wraith should never be in C-Tier because my mans is OP ngl
Wraith is still Good of u know how to use him properly. Also have a good build or any build in general
I love playing wraith tbh
Are you gonna play marvel snap ?