Could this be the British Army's next truck?
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Could this be the British Army's next truck?
Forces News has taken a look at the latest MAN Supply Vehicle, the HX2 - thousands of the earlier HX1 version are currently in service with the Army.
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It is a great advantage that several NATO countries have the same equipment, it simplifies maintenance and the supply chains during joint operations
I remember back in the 60's envying the WARPAC ability for commonality!!...glad it's gathering pace in NATO!
When was the last time we drew spares from ANYBODY else???
@@peterfeeney721 That was after Britain stopped producing stuff.
@@peterfeeney721 Thankfully, we've never really needed to.
But Putler seems to being trying his best for us to require that ability.
NATO makes a lot money when a country joins because that country must buy nato weaponry
As an Aussie that lives near a transport base I never see these broken down on the side of the road.. unlike the rest of the fleet
What do you see broken down
@@plasmaoc Ford Cargos is what the Diggers had when I served alongside them.
Thats because they are normally not working xD, crappy vehicles, too heavy.
Do you know, Australia, does not have a military big enough for its needs. I think the USA is the only country that does. What always surprises me is that Aus had millions of ready made troops. Troops that will fight to the death. Imagine 3 millions fighting you, with those hats the Australians wore in WW2, or Drop Bears, wear ninja outfits, fighting with kukri and claw, or Emus, the ultimate anti anything "f you" troop. Then there are snakes, spiders, dragons, things from the Snowy mountains (North Wall), and so much more. The Australian military could be the biggest, most bad arsed military in the world.
@@dallen521 It could but its population is the same as London with a few provincial Towns bolted on . They would have to spend about 75% of GDP to fund a 3 million strong military. It is a vast Country with very few people living there.
I’ve driven 6 x 6 Volvo where roads are absolutely absent.
The distance between axels and all wheel drive are very important.
Automatic gearbox with locking on any axle, and any other driver aid, is also very important.
Sometimes you only have traction on a single wheel, and it needs to cope with the full load.
It’s also important the truck can drive and climb in minimum 1.5 meter water.
A heavy duty winch, at the front and in the rear will be of some importance.
I don’t believe speed matters much, as you can’t go fast anyway. 60 km/h is very fine.
I can’t say anything about armor.
Armor for these trucks do very little. While most "realistic" threats will be gunfire, the moment that the word of "armored trucks" gets around it will immediately shift into incendiary weapons, landmines (which are instant fatalities due to the cab-over design) or directing said gunfire into crippling the vehicle by aiming at the engine/wheels, etc.
If supplies need to be delivered to areas where combat is almost guaranteed, you send them in with an escort.. Taking all the time and resources into creating trucks with proper cabin-sealed armor drastically increases their cost, weight, manufacturing complexity and also decreases driver comfort due to the drastic decrease in internal volume.
@@Coecoo These vehicles are very good at keeping the occupants safe when hitting landmines/IED's. Having been in one that took a direct hit from an IED and watching the vehicle behind me getting hit by one on a seperate occasion, it ripped the wheels off but was repaired and occupants had nothing more than ringing ears and wet pants.
There's at least one wheeled SPG which uses the Volvo A30 minus bed as its basis. It's Archer, currently in use by the Swedish Army.
Impressive looking piece of kit.
Interestingly, the new version developed by BAE has been shown on the Rheinmetall 8x8 but is designed to be fitted on multiple vehicles depending on the customer's wishes.
Driven the same truck along with the 6x6 swivel truck. There just about unstoppable especially when they use the geared drop down drive. Not sure what it's called but it gives the trucks a great deal of ground clearance and articulation.
@@billybowling5194 portal axles?
It is however quite sad that a once industrial nation can’t even make lorries for its own military. People in polite circles in the UK say that Europe is in a post Industrial Age, if that is so, Germany, Italy and France didn’t get the memo.
At least all the cargo load beds were made in the UK at Marshall in Mildenhall
We used to make Bedfords/Scammels/Foden/Even Daf could be considere British. What happened to our own capabilities?
Interesting that Pierluigi Collina is now into vehicle demo'ing.
Looks like a very capable wagon, if pricey.
Literally just the MAN HX which we already have but newer, open and close case in my book
Probably a good option due to likely compatibility of spare parts, and mechanical familiarity
A very different animal underneath.
@@smudgealdrin1512 do you need that different animal? Its just a truck. Keep using the old ones.
@@TheBooban 100% agree .. a basic tool kit can keep a Bedford or DAF running. " Pass me a flat head screwdriver & Adjustable.. I think the head gasket is shot". lol.
@@TheBooban
Do you want to sent young men to war in Bedford trucks?(defunct since the 1990's)
bet you wouldn't rely on a car that old
Loads of comments about buying British. That went well with Ajax when we decided to build something brand new rather than off the shelf. Let’s stop pretending we have the military manufacturing capability to do it all and buy kit that works, is cost effective and is compatible with our allies
Military manufacturing capability starts with giving domestic contractors contracts.
The issues with Ajax are the design from US Prime and the manufacturing of hulls from GD's Spanish division, which are absolutely appalling in quality.
BAE's Warrior turret worked...
Lockheed's didn't...
As long as we can play well together why not?
The only parts of Ajax that work are British. We don't have the volume, but we do have the design capability. Look at Wildcat, CV-90 and the new generation of ships (amusingly the power troubles in the Type 45s were also from non-British manufacturing).
Stop pretending British ingenuity is dead, it's better than ever.
Why does everyone get so binary about procurement. During World War 2 we had fantastic British made equipment: Spitfires, Mosquitos and the Merlin engine to name the most obvious. But we also had the Sherman Firefly, the Bren gun was of Czech design. There’s nothing wrong with a mix. MAN make great trucks, I don’t think we have a UK equivalent.
Don't we already have 9000+ of these already? At this rate we'll have more trucks than soldiers...
This is the HX2 ... You can pick up a HX1 at Whithams surplus auctions these days. They make great expo / prepper vehicles.. bit pricy mind you.
@@smudgealdrin1512 how much are they?
If the war has taught us anything, it's the value of having plenty of logistics vehicles.
But also no - it's a new vehicle.
@@bleachdrinker6915 Depending on condition I have seen them fetch 8 to 15 k . Better off getting a DAF or Even Bedford . Easier to work on & plenty of spares to be had.
We got like a fuckton of older ones.
Made up the backbone for ages and are still capable trucks.
I want to buy one
Tbh as a driver of these . This new one doesn't seem that much different. Just new front design and slightly taller due to air con on roof .
Overall dont seem like much difference. Would have preferred it if they had designed it in a way that it would allow more room for the people inside.
Spending a week or more away on an exercise in one of them with 3 people and all there kit really leaves no room for movement.
Oshkosh tanker on the other hand has an immense amount of space for kit and equipment inside the cab .
Please not IVECO.... It Vibrates Everything Comes Off.
What gets me is, now that our only option is to buy foreign, cost doesn't seem to come into the equation. When the last British vehicles were purchased cost was everything and specification and quality suffered. Do these politicians and civil servants have shares in Oshkosh, MAN and Rheinmetall?
The reality is we won’t get any new ones at all. The MoD bean counters will step in and we’ll get an HX 1.5, where the current fleet is canablised to “upgrade” two thirds of the fleet with the rest scrapped. Also, forces news, yet again it is not just the army driving big green trucks. All 3 services utilise and have their own fleet.
The other services have the same truck?
@@TheBooban Yes but they just play with them.
Too busy spending money on mk3 challenger tanks they'll no doubt thin the number of the order before they enter service in 2023 i believe its expected!
@@elite_riddimzgaming3427 2023 is in a tad over two months time.
@@smudgealdrin1512 point being did I say it was now? Fact remains they paying for them now because they've been building them a year or 2 ready to start service in 2023....
It seems to me that all the designers seem to have overlooked one vital component of their vehicles and left them all open to sabotage or damage. The fuel tanks are woefully exposed. One sniper's bullet or rogue round to hit that and the vehicle is incapacitated within hours.
Change the fuel tank shape to a "saddle" shape and mount it into the centre of the chassis. The saddle shape will allow any driveshafts to be able to run as intended and the fuel tank is afforded a lot more protection within the chassis.
Good trucks are important they are useful things for a country to have these look very versatile. The government is always expecting the army to move stuff around.
I agree with the others - we should be sourcing our vehicles from the UK
Who, British Leyland ?/!£^&%
No we shouldn’t. The MAN SV is absolutely ideal for what we need. Buying British doesn’t mean we are buying the best. The Leland DAF’s were absolutely awful. By buying the MAN SV’s and their variants we actually get a pretty good capability and commonality with a number of other nations. Therefore bringing the cost down and increasing parts availability. The SV’s on the whole are very capable and very reliable. Only the boomer brexiteers keep banging on about bUy bRitIsH!!
Surprised they're not buying Oshkosh again. Solid off roader, tons of torque, reliable as hell. No real negatives other than they get fookin hot in the cab in Kenya.
One advantage this has over Oshkosh trucks is lower cost, regional design and better supply chain. This is a European truck used by other European NATO members so it cheaper to get maintenance support for it. Plus Oshkosh trucks are very large, making them difficult to drive in Europe.
Oshkosh are decent trucks...
But might as well get the ability to nick spares from germany just down the road from the possible frontline...
American mega-corps always overcharge. Can't ever provide best value for money if everything needs to be made in the US and the shareholders want way more money than they do in other countries.
Must admit find it odd we are supposed to spend top 5 amount on military but apart from ships, can not seem to build anything for ourselves! Do not get me wrong these are great kit (like the Boxer) but!!!!
And I find it odd that we build military gear for the whole world but barely have anything in working condition for our own military. (German)
@@MetalheadAndNerd Yea but that is a lack of funding which hopefully will get sorted now!
Remember the LA85? How much it sucked and how many were injured or killed because it malfunctioned before Heckler&Koch were brought in to fix it?
As for British engineering. We used to have the Landrover. Literally every veteran I ever heard about those complains about it breaking down every 5 minutes, just like the civilian Landrovers do.
Like the Brits some units also have the Vector, the result of a corrupt deal between a moped dealer and some ex-officers that is inferior to comparable vehicles in every conceivable way. That one was purchased because the shareholders urged that their former unit should definately buy local..... Same year they blew all their money on those vehicles, a commando was killed in a live fire training, because in the 360 degree live fire training house, they used tarps as walls as a cost-saving measure since all the money was gone. Turns out tarps aren't bulletproof...
Buy the best. Not whatever gets an MP more bribes from local manefacturers.
Compatability. I have two 1944 Dodges WC 3/4 ton a Weapons Carrier and Ambulance. The bar was set then. 80% parts interchangeabilty. you can Peter and Paul, got two damaged? Build one that works from the two, and still a load of spare bits to keep others going.
those trucks ( the HX2) been in army service since 2016
the HX3 is the one thats new as of 2021
Excellent. Then there's going to be some lovely ex MOD trucks appearing at the auctions soon. I'll have my credit card handy!
Better have a high credit limit then .. Have you seen the prices of an HX1 4x4 ? Better off getting a Bedford or DAF .. At least you can fix those with an adjustable spanner & a screwdriver.
Again, the UK needs to manufacture its own equipment.
Relying on other countries is not safe and honestly pretty pathetic
100%, Germany could sell out on NATO for Russian gas this winter while our government sold out British industry.
So any country buying this is pathetic?
@@splodge561Considering our manufacturing heritage, it’s embarrassing.
@@AndrewArminRyan your self loathing shines through
Need to ensure there is a good % of UK manufacture or assembly on all future British Army equipment.
Only if the old british truck manufactures still existed....
UK manufacture? You mean those things that between the Landrovers and LA85 have always proven to be a spectacular failure?
@@nvelsen1975 Brimstone and NLAW are positive examples, L85 was a victim of Tory dogma to privatise RSAF Enfield.
@@johnsabini2330
Private companies work more efficient than state enterprises, so, no.
The problem is they could make it as bad as they wanted: They knew they had a monopoly as it 'had to be British'.
They were going to get paid regardless of effort, just like how it goes in all state owned companies.
@@nvelsen1975 In general agree, the L85 was an example of it going wrong. BAE did a bad job of it, if they had owned H K at the time it could have been different if they had been given the design and development lead. BAE did a bit of asset stripping with the Enfield site.
It’s a shame the British army can’t use a British manufacturer
What british manufacturers.
@@donaldellis3609 Well that’s kind of the point? Offer contracts to firms willing to manufacture on the U.K. and preference to companies based in the U.K.
@@donaldellis3609 ones that don't exist anymore...
Although would be interesting seeing Dennis give it a go....
Shame the good old flag shaggin tories sold the country down river
Please don`t let the MOD anywhere near procurement, just close the damned thing down and start again from scratch
Looks great, start building you gonna need them in huge numbers very soon.
Tanks and other combat vehicles get all the attention but a robust supply chain using good trucks are what win conflicts. “Amateurs talk about tactics, experts talk about logistics”.
The only thing it needs is, dulie controls an able to” slide” the steering wheel from left to right hand drive. See DNS’s pars 8x8. It’s already out there guys.
Thanks for sharing
Paul
Will there be any manufacturing, servicing or development IP transferred to the UK?
Do you get that for your German car?
@@MetalheadAndNerd I only buy one. If you buy hundreds of millions of pounds wporth you do get to that sort of negotiation.
Another opportunity lost. We had the first Foden DROPS in 1988. Replace the really old " Militant and ten tonners from early 1960s.The Foden when new they were good trucks.We took them to Gulf to support MRLS. But lack of funding led to bankrupcy. And the West Germany army back then had the MAN trucks. Only a matter of time really before we bought german kit. The Landrover needs replacing by now as well. Toyota pick ups or Gwagons....
The Landrover needed replacing 5 minutes after entering service.
Possibly the worst engineering to ever go into a vehicle.
@@nvelsen1975 The Defender suffered the same lack of funds as all British vehicles, Defender was basically a series body on a Range Rover classic inspired chassis, they didn't even widen the body to cover the wider axles, just added plastic flares! I've run an ex army 110 for 6 years, came with a none turbo diesel engine that wouldn't pull up any long hill unless it screamed its head off in 2nd, it was like a 1950's engine despite being 1993. The military's idea of a refurb involved supposedly 10 grands worth of roll cage, seats and wheels and a lot of pop riveted patches over bulkhead rust. Why the British government can't invest in vehicle manufacture I'll never know, we had some of the best ideas built to very low standards.
we already got it, its called an MAN with a body kit, i live near the man dealer, ive seen them only a few years old, having the out riggers changed under warrenty, as thet were rusting... while the local ta, is still using the 4x4 and 8x8 leyland dafs and fodens and still going strong.
The trucks have been operating reliably in other countries for decades. Of course, with the number of vehicles, there are logically breakdowns and failures. But the countries that use the vehicles keep reordering them, so they can't be that bad. Ask the soldiers which vehicle they would like to have. Just because they are standing in front of the garage doesn't mean they are bad and who knows how long they have been in service. I'm sure you've asked the MAN dealer every time how all the vehicles are. Leylands are the worst we have ever bought
@@gerhardma4687 As a trucker of 25years, ive had cabs unlock under breaking on the man erf tgf, and dafs blown 3 radiators just going up to the air balloon in Gloucester, Renaults have worst electronics, and mercs are over priced, id go Volvo
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Isn't the HX3 the newest variant?
Yes, it is .
Of course something else we gave up in the UK..building trucks and for the army and export!
Push button four wheel drive is not as good as moving a lever that pulls a cable or turns some mechanical part.
Landrover Series III vs everything that came after it! And nothing like hearing the Bedford TM 6.6 lock the driveshafts in!
You're telling me the backbone of the British army isn't even a British vehicle what is happening to this country
Have to pay for too many welfare programs, cannot afford to make their own.
I heard the *Brexit Brand* of truck is a good one . . .
@@witness1013 I’m afraid you can go back to Margaret Thatcher with this, who thought industry was a waste of time and we should stick with the service sector
@@steveosborne2297 agreed. Americans didn't fare much better. We we're all too busy enjoying our cheap Chinese products and pound/dollar stores to care... until it mattered...
@@witness1013 Germany pays more for welfare programs than us - the reason we don't make our own is because our political parties keep getting elected by waving around a British flag and calling themselves true brits and then doing anything humanly possible to make sure we don't build domestically, the Conservatives love calling out Germany, but when they get the chance they buy as much as possible from them.
Hell, the Government chose Ajax for it's Future Rapid Effect System program over the CV90 which is not only a proven design, but BAE Systems was going to be the manufacturer for it meaning it would be built by a British Company, but the Government got all bitchy at our most experienced defence company and now we have an overpriced, oversized, overrunning in cost and development APC.
Welfare isn't the reason at all, Germany spends more and they supply most of the world - it's because all the flag shaggers in our country who proclaim our countries greatness and then vote in parties who choose to not invest in British companies and buy from overseas.
We have a shrinking Army that is currently selling many of the MAN SV vehicles so why would we buy more??
Hx and sx are really good trucks
what's the point? the current fleet are only 10yrs old
And they're selling low mileage examples of those already
Rheinmetall , the backbone of the British army, and tbh, yes, they are they best there is right now
We dont need new tcvs we need new scrapping of the rwimiks
Nice new kit to keep the VOR park outside the LAD full up because the only laptop to interrogate them is u/s.
Even when they work hardly anyone will be fammed on them to be able to move them.
Never mind, before we're fully stocked on HX2, we'll be rolling in the HX3.
The biggest winner will be the disposals agencies.
Same old story, they'll get mugged off for the truck at inflated prices, take all the good stuff off, then struggle to get spares as always.
Saw a bunch of these get delivered during my military service in Sweden. Putting Patriot Air Defence on these bad boys.
I thought it in service already? Seen a few of these hanging around the TA base in Leeds
HX1, bought @9000 of them
Hmmm I've been driving these for the last 10 years in the army, I love old news!
Nice, but it's not a Bedford 4 tonner is it 💪🤣🤣
I just posted a similar comment then saw yours. Memories!
@@AtheistOrphan indeed. Kids these days don't know they're born 🤣🤣
is there any left?
makes me want one now...
I believe they were sold/auctioned off in Africa, remember prepping them all for overhaul when the MAN appeared.
Does it come in a camper variety?
Tip for the MoD. Keep well away from Iveco. There cheap, poorly put together and the seats are no better than Church pews.
Keep with MAN or Volvo. Oshkosh are another one to keep away from.
As proven over in Ukraine Logistics is critical, definitely need to invest more in it. More heavy lift is needed, 15T ain’t cutting it and EPLS is a joke.
Isn't the HX series a transport truck with MRAP level protection aka standard for modern military transports?
WeeJock
One can mount a 2 or 3 axle drawbar trailer behind it. Then you double the payload.
@@bertnl530 or get a 45 ft semi trailer.
@@davidty2006 Don't think that's a good idea. due to off road capability and DROPS hooks and pallets.
@@bertnl530 Dragging a trailer ain’t easy through Xcountry plus transferring loads is a pain and slow.
Tony Blair and his EU side kicks awarded MAN the contract previously in an act of treason . Instead of investing and developing our own he allowed what was left of UK truck industry to go to the wall . After years of dithering , Foden , ERF , Sedden Bedford Dodge all allowed to disappear and the truck building abilities with them . The ridiculous thing is suppose Germany was belligerent, or involved in an internal conflict .
Exactly right, and you would expect as Man own the ERF name (as they quickly got rid of the truck) it would offer us it badged as an ERF.
Doesn't help that leyland was sold off by thatcher.
Another truck builder.
I wonder what kind of "anti-grenade-dropping-from-a-cheap-drone" capabilities it has.
check "Natter"
mk1 Squaddie with a tennis racket
@@WanderlustZero 😂
Yes, just sign it off. This is the type of truck the modern day Scamell should be making but that no longer exists and is an indictment of UK industrial and military history so is unfortunately irrelevant in 2022.
Can we actually make anything anymore?
No
Are you really saying the the 8th largest manufacturing nation cannot make anything?
@@1chish just looked that up didn't you 😉
@@iamwedged2705 No. Didn't need to. Some of us who worked all our lives in engineering and manufacturing and logistics (54 years in total in my case) know basic information.
Some of us even read books .....😂
Try it some time?
These kinds of trucks are too complicated when they go wrong, and they do go wrong. The kind of system required to repair it means you need many laptops and often have to speak to techs in Germany for assistance. No good.
Can you heat up your compo tins on the manafold like in the RL?
Send all the versions under review to Ukraine. 1st one to the Crimea bridge wins. Seriously different versions may be better for different missions, servivability or maintenance.
My major concern about military vehicles, whether they are trucks, ships or aircraft, is fuel supply. They all require petroleum derivative fuels, yet (most) governments are intent on ending the use of fossil fuels by ill-thought legislation. This will affect the viability of UK refineries to make military fuels and lubricants and also plastics used in the manufacture of vehicles.
This truck looks impressive, but is it going to rely upon Russian diesel?
Normally this is a criterium for military trucks. Actually this is not a new issue. Back in the 70ties and 80ties our motorcycles (Guzzi V50) had thicker head gaskets to lower compression in order to be able to run on poor fuel. They also had other gears in order to maintain a very low speed when driving in convoy. Affected their top speed, though.
Great truck but lets have them built in the UK under licence as the first tranches should have been. Just like the £2.9 Bn we are apparently spending with OshKosh in the USA for the JLTV THAT should be built here as well.
And if MAN in Swindon don't want to do a deal then contract Leyland DAF to build one here as they already have a factory here.
Time we stopped shipping our taxpayer's money abroad just so civil servants who hate British Industry can go on expenses paid jaunts.
Come on Lizzie - you say you want economic growth? Well that means BUILDING stuff here.
What happens to those jobs AFTER production ends, though?
@@vincere_ They build something else. And have you any idea how long the production run will be to replace all the UK MAN trucks?
MAN in Swindon is just a spares Distibution facility & head office for the UK . They could not build a truck even if they wanted too.
@@smudgealdrin1512 Well Smudge I never said Swindon could build anything. My words were:
"if MAN in Swindon don't want to do a deal"
Any trucks imported into the UK and Ireland and sold in the UK and Ireland are done through MAN Swindon. Therefore if any manufacturing licences were approved it would be done by MAN Swindon because they are the UK and Ireland Head Office in all matters. It is far more than just a spares warehouse. How do I know? Well Smudge I worked for them.
It's a german truck from a german company and even the german army imports them from austria because that's where the factory is. One factory cranking out half of all Nato trucks results in good efficiency, low costs and high reliability and all that on time with no issues of spare parts because the same factory stays online for decades and not just a short production run. Local production meanwhile always ends up in a mess with cost overruns, delays and problems with quality and eventually lack of spare parts.
What's wrong with the old one that we need to buy a new one?
lack of armour protection on our trucks espically for land mines
because trucks get old and the saying is weapons win battles bit logistics win wars and you need trucks to supply thousands of tons of supplies to front line troops aday..
Yep a lot of so called dated kit so off still does the job for orher countries, new don't mean it's better or any good
What ever happened to scammel, leyland aec,alvis.
If we are to use this I want them to make 90% the parts in the UK and assemble it in the UK.
There is a Rheinmetall factory in Britain.
@@DJ1573 A couple of them & logistic facilities . I often hauled raw products to them.
I grew up knowing that the British military used Bedford's and Scammell's ..........
i only knew atkinson for a good while.
The basic questions that we are really interested in, not the manufacturers sales jabber:
Does it work?
What’s it like off-road?
What’s the maintenance requirement?
How much are you charging us for everything?
whats the difference to the HX1 and do we really need them^^
@@garyharris8082 The HX3 can be mounted with a 155mm gun like the PzH2000, Autoloader included.
Or a Oerlikon 30mm Revolver AA gun. Or the COBRA counter artillery system
Forget the SVs when are they gonna update the land rovers? They're ancient and always falling apart, much more a priority for updates than the SV
Stick an ERF Badge on it for old times sake 👍
You Sir are a man ( no pun intended) after my own heart.
@@smudgealdrin1512 i worked for MAN for a few years and a badge on a tg series cab doesnt make it an EC11 😂😂 they really were a Lion amongst trucks, ive got key rings with that on 👌👌
Please British Army get the 10 wheel base! AS90 have to be replaced and the Archer system is so awesome.
Why the Hell doesn't the UK have manufacturers who can at least compete for these contracts?
We did but turbo capitalism happened outside our Islands & we got pipped to the post.
the politicians prefer to watch us go hungry.
There was not enough profit for the Chums in the city
Because despite all the hype, we’re not as we think we are
@@millennialtrucker6435 Umm, no.
It's a lack of strategic foresight & an over reliance on the "global market" IMO.
The cab looks solid
Australian army has the 4x4 version and they’re useless for us they can’t carry any weight
Yeah, but think of the air conditioning. That's gotta be high on the wish list of any tough outback soldier. Does it have a tea-maker in the cab too, you know for those mandatory breaks?
These are 6x6 and 8x8
It also has the 6x6, 8x8 and 10x10....so carry the "weight" on those🤷♂️
Isn't it better to have a slightly inclined front window, to deflect bullets ?
It's not 1930 any more. Design has moved on to more effective solutions.
Since it's an MAN most likely will come in cheapest also. Therefore chances are the MOD will pick them.
There is one key place this truck are not standardized with much of the rest of the world, the driver is on the right side. I think your country and Au etc should spend some money and change it.
Yes, the driver IS on the right side...
What happened to our truck makers we had that made us good vehicles in the Second World War how did all our industry get destroyed and the good jobs get sent abroad.
message to the British Army and the British government. PLEASE buy British made equipment not German.
So you don’t want the good stuff?
All German parts and stick a British label on it. Doesn’t make sense.
Does it have a kettle ? Dealmaker !
As a german I like your choices, but how is that Brexit compatible ?! Shouldn’t England build their own ?
they are still in nato
When it strikes a mine the driver takes it in the shorts.
DO NOT GO ITALIAN IVECO, omg, as a Trucker they spend more time in the garage than they do on the road! Volvo all day long.
We used to have Foden’s with fibreglass cabs and no heaters 😂
Can anyone answer why compatibility means German or American we are not developing any weapons that they buy from us and keeping our manufacturing expertise our government buy anywhere but this country if they can which is not good for the future and decent jobs here.
In the good old days (NOT), when i was in, we had the Bedford TKs, MKs, & TMs. Plus the good old Fodens, All falling apart and loved the non powered steering of the MK. Driving any of them was like spending 10 hours in the Gym.
Drivers never did much apart from W ☥ themselves silly in their pits, so forearms were well developed for non-powered steering. 😁
I new i was being watched.
If inter-operability is important, shouldn’t these all be left hand drive?
the army has already got loads of MAN trucks,,in my time we had Bedford RLs,easy to work on,
It would be much more interesting with an Archer howitzer mounted on the back
Actually there are some interesting developments with howitzers mounted on HX trucks, Amongst them also a 10 x 10 variant from Rheinmetall
I wonder if these will be on a permanent lease ? I do know that with the Oshkosh tank transporter each and everyone had to be completely rebuilt or refitted after the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan at a cost to the tax payer .
If they get a scratch on them the lease company bills the MOD.
Hey
What’s wrong with the Bedfords?
They were sh7t
Bedford doesn't exist anymore.
Idk where it went i want them back....
Forget about all those cars, Tatra is Top, others just follow long after
isn't a protruding hood safer if the driver hits a land mine?
You guna buy any this time or rent them ?
Seen as we use MAN already it makes sense
how about something to replace landrover?
Millbrook proving grounds - what a history.
Great Piece of Kit, whilst whatever the British Army decides to replace its legacy trucks with, they just need to get into service asap, as without a robust core logistics infrastructure and support system, the army goes nowhere, in hurry at least!
Nice truck but is it as effective at collecting a platoon of infantry and moving them 20 miles rather than an old Bedford 4 ton? Right now the Russians are demonstrating how easy it is to lose all your logistic transports, it's a lot of investment in a vehicle that in the grand scale of things is just a soft target. Exhausted Infantry don't give two hoots what transports them if it saves them a 20 mile march.
At last, the British supply train decision makers have come to theiur senses and accepted they are incapable of providing new product within budget or time, (reference the Ajax family). It is time to buy from manufacturers who know what they are doing. Buy from European companies, since spares will be a problem in the future if bought from the USA. The HX2 looks great, especially if some are fitted with a large howitzer on the bed, or a MLRS system.
Looks good
Nevermind this, it's a replacement for the awful Land-rover we need.
Where do I cook my sausages?
With no V shaped hull, just another folly. How in the hell is the crew going to survive when a mine or IED explodes from beneath? You can armour the cab, but if the blast comes from the ground up. Not a chance.
I can't think of a single situation where one of these would be at the front of a convoy. Usually there's at least a couple of IED-proof scout vehicles at the front. And outside of convoys in combat areas these should never encounter mines etc.
If these are going thru mine strewn territory then Recon hasn't done its job.
Why cant we built our own vehicles. It will be more cheaper and its good for country economy aswell.
In an age of 'tactical nuclear weapons' more likely to be deployed, should we not explore old technology that does not use electronic management systems to run its engine, after all, a semiconductor goes short circuit from the EMP emitted by a nuclear detonation, unless sheilding technology has secretly advanced, but even if this is the case, why risk finding out on the battlefield as recent events have demonstrated, logistics are a key part of a battles progression.
Just a spur of the moment thought.😚
Even the old carb cars has electronics like spark plug coils I don’t see what’s the point of this
If one nuke goes off it just open Pandora’s box
Electronic engineers have long since understood how to shield electronics from EMP with Faraday cages. Otherwise everything in the Military would be clockwork powered. Besides which, the Military is usually about 10 - 15 years ahead in terms of technology...
@@Hairyson-g5j a spark plug and coil is not a semiconductor, that's the point, no failure to be had, worst case and electromagnetic overload resultingbin a momentary higher voltage spark.
Humans on the otherhand don't have this luxury so it's all b*llo* anyway 🤣
@@Hairyson-g5j Not affected by EMP. I have two 1944 Dodge, 3/4 ton a WC51 Weapons Carrier and WC54 Ambulance. Like the old MK, they would work after a nuclear exchange, as all is mechanical.
One of the few good purchases the NZDF has made