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The Secret Of Nimh 2: Timmy To The Rescue is an embarrassment to the original...
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2021
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Theory: This entire movie is a fever dream that Timmy had while suffering from pneumonia.
This has officially become my headcanon. Thank you very much. ;)
🤔That explains alot.....and so little
As someone who has had pneumonia three times I can confirm
And when he woke up from it, he was so profoundly disturbed by it that he vowed to never, *ever* speak about it to anyone. Not even his mom.
As a person who had pneumonia, and had a dream where I was convinced that Pokémon had become real and were the reason my throat was so sore, can confirm.
I once read somewhere that Don Bluth had no involvement in this film and he stated that if he’d ever make a sequel of the secret of nim it would have Martin as the hero and Timmy as the villain. Ironic, huh?
No since we know don bluth HE loves dark and action
Martin was the one who said he wasn't afraid of anything in the first film, so this makes sense.
Like Cobra Kai?
@@devinreese1397 don bluth had the Moments but Action and darkness was more the focus
@@devinreese1397 and adventure and magic like in dragon lair
Sabor was a leopard, not Jaguar. Though her spots do make it hard to tell. And I do hate the “it’s just a kids-thing” mentality. Like, don’t you think kids deserve better??
Wait sabor was a she
I think Sabor was a he.
@catspaw3092 Sabor actually translates to "lioness" in the Mangani language. Sheeta is the term for "leopard".
If someone says it's a kid's thing then the only thing to tell that guy would be YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO HAVE ONLY LIVED UNDER A ROCK
"Emo Peter dances to anything. Even dying rats!"
Jonathan Brisby opened a gate.
Mrs. Brisby used The goddamn Force and levitated her house out of a mud-trap like Yoda did Luke’s X-Wing.
That alone speaks volumes.
And another thing (and this is actually related to the movie): The first movie said that 11 mice were given injections. And the only two that got out alive were Jonathan and Mr. Ages. The other mice are referred to as the lost six. 11 - 2 equals NINE, NOT SIX!!!! Come on, guys! Seriously, that’s basic first grade level math! Are you saying These guys, who are supposed to be freaking professional writers, can’t do basic subtraction!?
If you wanna read deeper into the books, all but 8 of the mice died as a result of the experiments. Jonathan and Mr. Ages were successfully grabbed and saved by the rats. The other 6 were sucked down the shaft. I don't remember their names, though.
Really I don't find it baffling the ones who made this are actually bad at math
The sequel makes me appreciate what Don Bluth and his team did!
But Eric Idle is always funny
Cgi swanprincess ruins dont bluth great art
Don bluth could draw see his beauty and the beast we never got
On don bluths art
Haven't seen this In awhile since Hardcore Kid, Nostalgic, Critic, and even Musical Hell's various version of this movie review and with good reason, and makes us glad there was never a Direct-To-DVD-Sequel with The Great Mouse Detective that not only rips off the climax's twist villain but even Simba's Pride with the rat's version Zira!
Another RUclipsr that should go full-rage on TSoN2TttR is Bobsheaux (especially during the scene where Justin and the rest of the rats of NIMH turn out to be bad guys when they were never like that until that far beyond awkward moment) because that would be so funny, as strongly opposed to when Timey defended this film from its reputation as “one of the worst animated sequels”.
GOOD VIDEO, I really like your sense of humor, I always wondered why Mrs. Brisby never gave her the same respect and recognition as Jonathan, she saved them and didn't even thank her
11:24 also, NIMH is what Timmy is supposed to save Thorn Valley from. Why didn't they ever tell him about the thing he's supposed to fight against?!
Timmy: so what am I supposed to fight against
The obviously not the characters: NOT NOW NOW TRAIN TO KILL HUMANS TO CONQUER THE WORLD
As mentioned in the chat for the premiere, I believe that Jenner had a dream/nightmare *cough*Secret of NIMH 2*cough* and attempted to stop The Plan to avoid the sequel. Not to mention that I've read better sequel FANFICS for the Secret of NIMH!
Edit: The only good thing about this sequel is Eric Idle
im working on a nimh fanfic to take my mind of of this awful piece of animation thats basically a retelling of the second nimh book. also eric is good but i think jenny isnt too bad either. just extremely poorly executed
Eric Idle as Evil!Martin and him getting his own villain song is the only redeeming factor this movie has. How is that shot of Martin happily electrocuting himself not a meme yet?
I agree so much when you said that children can handle dark themes in animated movies. Most family animated movies today play way too safe because they don't want to scare kids... like... man, people today are just to sensitive and it's a shame that we don't see a lot of dark mature themes. Although at least disney and pixar still does that every once and awhile.
Life ain’t always lollipops or rainbows. Kids gotta deal with mature stuff like grief or feelsy stuff. Weird example I know but ya get me.
Another thing with Auntie Shrew being a Karen towards Martin is that she's hypocritical. In the first movie she's prejudiced towards the rats and never is shown to have any remorse for it. That they're up to mischief and that they're not coming to help them.
Let's be honest; Did Auntie Shrew like anyone outside of the family? Granted, given her animal basis and how she acted like a second protect to the family after Jonathan's death, I can get why she distrusted the rats but that's what made her clashes with Martin so great in the first. He thought he could protect everyone better than her so they were both mouthing off at each other over who was the better protector of the family and who knew better.
Good job. Thanks for telling us about the second book. Thanks for tearing apart a movie that deserves it. I'm always grateful for your hard work. Thank you for everything.
just me considering the comment left by james smith that raisor slaps on screen a bunch, but your comment being the direct opposite to it made me chuckle
The sequel books are MUCH BETTER than this movie... more interesting even! I recommend them!
Great review! However much of a Secret of NIMH fan that I am, I won't lie that the sequel is a guilty pleasure of mine. Jenny (and Eric Idle as Martin) are clearly the best things here, and honestly it could've been a decent follow-up had someone made the story focused on the brothers & their relationship... and perhaps if they kept the "prophecy" garbage, it could've led to some actual conflict with the whole "one son saves everyone, but two sons" issue between them. Or heck, gimme a sequel version of the 2nd book. At least it would've been neat to see how they'd handle Jenner's son after what happened in the first film's climax and such (and not having a dumb prophecy driving the dumb plot).
So the books are good?
@@hedgehogsx2396 yepp they are and diffrent from this here
Oh brother whenever Don creates a wholesome film that's beloved and loved by all (okay not all of them but yah know what I mean though?) Hollywood and greedy companies always want more and to cash on the og film performance
“If you just say yeeeees!!”
Ok so after all this, here's MY question...what happened to the human doctors after the end of the movie? The last time I checked they were still brainwashed into dogs and locked up in the labs. Were they ever found, did they escape, were they ever cured?
Yeah, they got out. Firefighters got them out of the building in time.
@@raisorblade ah right; sorry it's been years since I saw this one. Still wonder if they were ever cured.
@@raisorblade The comic relief villain Cats tho? Likely dead. They were comedic henchmen who were likely as much the victim as Martin was, so of course they deserved to die
@@raisorblade from the words of Kamina from Gurann Lagann: Believe in the you, that believes in you.
Honestly the whole Jenner’s son plot sound like it could work. Maybe it could have dealt with how children can be judged based on their parents legacy. First of all they should acknowledge Mrs Brisby’s accomplishments. It also could have dived more into what the stone was and be about Timmy and Jenner’s son. However, because he definitely died, they would have to change it to he had a family while the the rats lived at the farm and they were cast out after the events of the first film.
Basically, both Timmy and Jenner Jr. are judged based on who their parents were. People judge Timmy based on the cool things his parents did, and Jenner Jr. and his family are cast out because they see them as traitors like his father. The two meet and learn to accept themselves and express their individuality and it helps them find out something about the Stone.
Agree. Martin is the best part of this sequel.
The worst part about the movie? Mrs. Brisby didn't get a statue.
Yes. And she deserved one. She warned the rats about NIMH, AND drugged Dragon so they could move her house.
With at least an altar for the stone
Thankfully, the sheer existence of this movie won't turn me off of ever seeing the first one (this video was really entertaining, by the way).
Really curious to hear your thoughts on The Jungle Movie, for sure
My 8 year old liked it but my adult self didn't. I'm gonna stick with the first film. Also the company that made this potentially wasted sequel also made an anthro animal version or what some people like to call it a "furry" version of Tom Sawyer which you should take a look in the future. Anyways, great review.
THIS STUDIO MADE ANIMATED TOM SAWYER??? What a fucking step up
Funny enough, I'm the same as you. The Secret of NIMH 2 is actually the first Secret of NIMH movie I ever saw without watching the first film. I believed my mom bought the VCD (think CD version of the VHS) in 1998 I think, and I used to like that movie.
It was then I found out about the first film aired on TV 10 or so years later, and I was surprised how different The Secret of NIMH 1 is compred to its direct to video sequel, it's like a total 180. The first film is actually FAR BETTER than the sequel.
Time for a game of disappointing sequels.
Loved every time you dissed James Smith
Just like you I actually didn't grow up with S.Of.N I only got it as a random Birthday present when I was 10 by then I was into Jurassic park and I thought from the cover that this was just another cuttsy mouse movie that I avoided. When I actually saw the movie I was like Holy shit this was gritty.
I recommend you also watch An American Tail. That's another great one.
Thanks for the shout out. Also great editing on Jeremy it's too perfect. X3
But yeah, such a shame we didn't follow the book series instead.
Guess it's Anastasia next up?
The only person who enjoyed the movie's soundtrack was Emo Peter
So Mrs. Brisby never talked about her husband to her son or Nimh? And Justin & Mr. Ages are being real a$$holes in this movie they never tell Timmy why he should be like his dad they're just being cryptic & expect Timmy to figure it out. Nicodemus never left any instructions on how to guide Timmy but lets be real instead of a statue of Johnathan there should be a statue of Mrs. Brisby she was the real hero. Like Sarah Conner & Ellen Ripley she had to go outside her comfort zone, putting her life on the line, take daring risks & become a warrior in her own right. While still remaining kind, strong, caring, nurturing, loving, yet scared & vulnerable doing everything in her power to protect her children. She went to see an owl that could've eaten her that was one of her biggest fears but she overcame it so the Great Owl could tell her to see the rats of Nimh, she faces a giant rat the tried to keep her from reaching the rats, she pleads her case once they learn she's the wife of their savior the rats vow to help her. She offers to drug the cat Dragon so the rats can successfully move her home without interruption, when her home sunk into the mud the stone awakened sensing her despair but her bravery & courage Brisby saves her home & family with the power of the stone & yet years later she doesn't get recognition from the community? Here's my take Timmy snaps & tells Justin & Ages he's not his dad & he doesn't want to be like him he leaves Thorn Valley & returns home. Justin & Ages goes to retrieve Timmy & lecture him but are met with a furious Mrs. Brisby who lays into them about constantly comparing her son to his dad. That would've been a much interesting take or they could've went by some of the story from the 2nd book (Which I didn't know there was a sequels to the 1st one). I do like the idea of Timmy teaming p with Jenner's son to stop Nimh.
"Headphone users watch out"
SHITTY LAPTOP SPEAKER USERS WATCH OUT TOO cause guess who just learned her terrible speakers' high ends are way louder than the bass and mids lmao
I think I might know how it feels to have something take a dump on my childhood. One look at Thomas season 25's trailer will make you understand.
i agree that martin is the best part in this movie
Evil Martin specifically. Best thing to come out of that movie in general
This movie came out a day before my birth. I don't know hot to feel about that.
1) Nice beard.
2) If you ask me, the only Don Bluth direct to VHS sequels I would argue are at least decent are the two "An American Tail" DTV sequels. "The Treasure of Manhatten Island" from 1998, and "The Mystery of the Night Monster" from 1999. While not masterpieces by any means, both sequels I would argue do a better job at keeping true to the tone and spirit of the 1986 original, both build upon the themes of "An American Tail". That being the struggles of the American dream. Granted AAT4 was still pretty bat shit weird, but still decent. Both these sequels feel like ACTUAL sequels to "An American Tail", which is something I cannot and will not say about "Fievel Goes West".
Also 25:24 Bruh you remember the "Jumpstart" series too?! (or "Jump Ahead" as it was called in the UK)
I agree. I don't think the fourth American Tail film is anywhere on par with the third one, but at least that one was memorable in some ways, whiles Fievel Goes West not only feels like a total slap in the face to the original film, but it is one of the blandest, most forgettable, most unengaging animated films I've ever seen. The third one, however, feels like a proper return to form, both in terms of visuals and with its themes, especially the latter. It's a real shame that film wasn't given the time, money and effort to be a theatrical release because, with more polishing, it could have been on par with the original, while Fievel Goes West deserved to be direct to video.
@@daliborjovanovic510 What especially sucks is that despite FGW being the black sheep of the four, its the most popular. It got a TV show, 2 video games, the version of Fievel at "Fievel's Play Area" at Universal Studios is the cowboy hat wearing version.
@@supermariof0521 Fievel also became the mascot for Amblimation's logo
@@musiclover_kb4913 Until that studio was abandoned after "Balto" flopped.
Talk About flanderizeation this is going into another tone . of the original was dark mature epic this film light hearted stupid
Thanks for being the first person to explain "Imposter Syndrome" to me.
Man the book sequel sounds more interesting than the crappy sequel we got by MGM.
Even when I was young I hate Secret of NIMH 2 as it is disrespectful to the original. -_- It is tragic as Fiviel goes West & All Dogs go to Heaven 2 are good sequels to their originals, while not perfect they're fun to watch. Not the case with NIMH 2!!!
I am interested with your Arnold Jungle Movie review.
I even argue that the video to direct sequels of An American Tail are actually pretty good.
@@retrofan4963 Yeah, but they're also on the term of harmless at best and at worst... decent but watchable.
At least this isn't the worst film someone from the 90’s Casper movie was in as Christina Ricci was in Bucky Larson: Born To Be A Star.
Because of that sequel book being similar to this sequel, we had to WATCH THIS SEQUEL IN OUR ENGLISH CLASS ALSO. Thank you for being the first person to bring this up because I felt insane for the longest time
31:28 - Some of the flowers aren't colored in, just having the line art. Was this done on purpose as a design choice or did they get lazy?
I thought hey Arnold the jungle movie was okay but this movie just hurts especially Martine being evil.
The book continuation is better
I never thought I would see Abraham Lincoln angrily ranting on a braindead direct to DVD sequel.
Remember Timmy and the Brain ?
the only thing about the whole prophecy being messed up is that its like a self fulfilling prophecy
12:28 Best advice ever. 👍
14:16 I was looking off screen and legitimately thought that there was something up with my phone lol.🤣🤣🤣
Awesome review 😊👍
Almost everyone I know says the whole "JusT a kIDs FiLm" and I don't like it, and that kid's don't care. But I find it funny that with all the shit films I loved as a kid I still preferred the better movies like Land Before Time and The Iron Giant.
Also I don't admit this much because I'd get mocked but I truly believe the good kids content with actual depth (like spider-man *wink*) moulded me from a blubbering snot-nose brat into a semi-decent member of society.
What do you think of An American Tail?
@@retrofan4963 I'm gonna break your heart... I grew up on the sequel. But I did always see trailers for the first movie and really wanted to see it. As for feivel goes west all I remember is a cooking scene where Garfield almost fucking dies, memories a bit blurry tho
@@kartoonkid711 Well., it's never too late to check it out :) I highly recommend to give An American Tail a watch, it's a really great movie in my opinion. If you enjoy 80's Don Bluth films, An American Tail is right up your alley to watch. Fievel Goes West is also great, I also recommend watching that one to refresh your memory not watching since a long time.
@@retrofan4963 yeah thanks, I'll give it a look
@@kartoonkid711 Cool.
30:23 I nearly spat my coffee out when I heard that 😵🤣
This review was fantastic, and made me hate Nimh 2 even more than I already did. It's the epitome of the "Kids are stupid" argument. A film that dumbs down every single thing about it so kids won't get any ideas. Even A Troll In Central Park wasn't afraid to get at least a little dark. This movie is as dark as the sun. I've never seen the original Secret Of Nimh, and I know more about it that this POS. The Secret Of Nimh 2: Timmy To The Rescue deserves to die on a flank steak, and my condolences to you for having to sit through and review it.
20:38 It's especially ironic when you compare this scene to one from another Don Bluth sequel, Land Before Time VII
RaisorBlade's assessment of the voice acting in The Secret Of Nimh 2: Timmy To The Rescue reminds me of Netflix's The Dragon Prince. Thus far in The Dragon Prince, Nicole Oliver (Zubeia), Ben Cotton (Rex Igneous), and Erik Dellums (Aaravos) are the only voice actors who sound invested; everybody else's just lackluster.
From 5:22 to 5:31 that part of this review made me laugh
Well, 14:13 was definitely a bad time to look away at the screen especially at 2 AM with people sleeping around me and me on speakers.
God, I even had my speakers really low and they still blasted that out. I appreciate the warning, but man, I hope you dial back the 'being loud is funny' stuff. Timmy's singing is far less horrible than you making fun of it, which kind of ruins the point of your joke anyways.
This, a total turn off from watching his content.
Raisor, coming from someone who's been through the ride that was your Land Before Time reviews, don't take what James said to heart. He clearly misses the point of your reviews, and from the looks of it, I doubt he'd give a shit if you explained it to him. You don't have to justify yourself to that loon.
To me, "JUST A KIDS MOVIE/CARTOON!" is not a valid excuse for a movie or TV show to be hot shit on a plate. I mean, kids should not be subjected to trash nor should they be treated like they're idiots. If it's available for all to see, then you have the right to criticize it and if they don't like it, that's too damn bad. If something's garbage, it's trash and there's nothing you can do to disguise that. The only way they can really shut you up is to false flag you, which would make them scum, but I digress.
You know what’s more dark about this? The fact that Martin, while at NIMH, having a shock therapy addiction and mentally changing the humans into mindless dogs is kinda messed up.
I love the original. But it scared the shit out of me.
It really is the unnessecary child romance for me
I like Teresa Brisby in the second film she’s dressed up nice probably for work
Agreed
Come on, content warning for horrible beep. It upset my kitty. She's delicate 😿
17:03 you’re spot on on everything but to be fair they were scavenging, not stealing. They made a huge deal about it last movie but salvaging/scavenging garbage is not the same as stealing valuable items from the farmhouse or barn.
Unless they do steal in that case they’re ducks and you’re absolutely right😂👌
I didn't know this was based off a book
God I cannot fricking wait!!!!!!!!!
Both NIMH movies made my childhood because the sequel used the sick mouse from the first one
I have No interest in seeing Secret of Nimh 2, I never watched it before. I saw the Don Bluth version the 1st one 2 weeks ago, and I agree with you the 1st one is a masterpiece it up there with The Land Before Time.
What's your thoughts on An American Tail?
@@retrofan4963 I never seen It before I hear It a really good movie
@@Carson2004-_. If you enjoy Secret of NIMH and Land Before Time, you should give An American Tail a watch. An American Tail is a really great movie in my opinion. It's made by Don Bluth in the 80's.
14:03 Wow, real mature, James. More like shame on him for shaming us for watching stuff that we enjoy. He has every right to disagree with you, but he has NO right to tell you not to express your opinion, especially on YOUR channel, and he has no right telling us what we can or cannot watch. If he doesn’t like your shouting, okay, fine, that’s a problem he has with your delivery, but, he should remember that your opinion is just as valid as his. I personally enjoy your reviews, and can’t stand people of the mindset that only positive opinions matter.
15:01 if you slow the video down you can see that some of the flowers that are falling aren't even colored in.....this movie man...making me upset bc i love the original so dang much! But great review :D
Apparently, the director of this film would later go on to direct some episodes of the Land Before Time TV series. How coincidental!
12:12 You mean the thing that the first movie seemed to have a message about going against?
There’s continuing a legacy, and then there’s being someone you’re not. Except Timmy isn’t continuing anything that his father left him. He’s just obeying from prophecy because he’s the freaking Mousiah.
I loved the sequel as kid
I think it's important for kids to have darker elements in their stories because bad things are going to happen to them in their lives and seeing their favorite characters also go through that kind of stuff can help kids feel less alone in their own struggles and show them they can get through it too.
The opening is gold🤣
Jonathan Brisby: Take my hand son…
Timothy Brisby: I can’t live your dreams anymore, I’m just Timothy Brisby…..
I loved the movie as a kid, I have to admit that Timothy has the charisma of a rock but Martin was a blast and Idk I had seen the first one so many times I still felt for Martin who's super charismatic for a side character in the original movie and him turning... It kind of broke my heart.
WHERE IS MRS. BRISBY'S STATUE!?!?!
In fact come of it, given the events of the previous film and this film.
Where on earth is Jenny's statue and a memorial for the rats of NIMH?
I looked at this video's thumbnail and I asked myself: Is Evil Martin actually sitting on your shoulder, eating pop corn while enjoying the show? Gee, he must've made himself very comfortable. I think this sequel must've annoyed him as much as it annoys us.
can you review the care bears movie from 1985?
From what I’ve heard, Don Bluth said he would’ve made Timmy turn evil had he worked on the movie.
It would have immediately improved the movie.
I wonder if anyone has tried insulting you for the sole purpose of having the comment show up in a video? Seriously people, animation isn’t a genre, it’s a medium! A medium can be any genre in wants! It can be for kids, yes, but it can be for teens or adults or ANY age! Books, movies, games, comics, what have you!
…hi, mom!
i actually thought the first movie was boring and stupid and actually liked the sequal alot. even have a timmy to the rescue poster in my bedroom.
Are you going to review an amarican tail movies 1-4.
I kept expecting Walter to kick the door open an dyell "Jessie, we have to cook!"
The secret of nimh was my favourite film as a kid the sequel I hated when it first aired on cartoon network 2003 or 2004
if you got say hunchback of notre dame 2 and millionaire dogs having sex with one another it would result in this BTW if you haven't seen millionaire dogs please do it's basically an acid trip with a bad dub 😂
I think it would've been cool if it had focused on Martin and everything that was happening with him-his anger over not being the chosen one, being captured by Nimh, becoming evil, and then we see how he gets rescued by Timmy and gets made better.
The Secret of Nimh 1 and 2 and 22 Jump Street - owned by MGM
Star Wars: The Last Jedi - owned by Lucasfilm ltd. and Woke Disney
Spider Man 3 and Spider Man: Into the Spider Verse - owned by Columbia Pictures
Avatar: The Last Airbender, Spongebob Squarepants and Hey Arnold: The Jungle Movie - owned by Nick
Passion of the Christ - owned by NewMarket Films
JonTronShow- JonTron
Mulan and Tarzan - owned by Walt Disney Animation Studios
20:04 whatever this film is with the blonde woman. What was that from?
Nostalgia Critic - owned by Channel "Awesome"
You didn't like Hey Arnold: The Jungle Movie? Suddenly, I'm interested.
Who else thinks Rasierblade looks like Bigfoot from Son of Bigfoot
This most Embarrassing movie or cartoon ❓❓
Both
@@jeremyusreevu237 oh okay 👍
Nicely done! That was considerably better than the Nostalgia Critic's take on it.
This movie is such a hot mess.
I watched the first 15 seconds of The Secret of Nimh 2, and I said nope. That's like creating the Mona Lisa and then drawing stick figures.
Hey razisor blade you should review Cars 2.
Interesting how perspective can change with reviewers; one reviewer (NC) doesn’t get the controversy until the big twist, while another (this one) says the twist is the best part
Please review Tarzan 2
9:00 yeah why would Nick be vague... Why would he wait for John's wife to go to the owl and ask for help and let the Jenner guy he knows is bad news run free instead of offering her help from the start ect... Guess it was to help her grow but meh 😕
Thank you for making this review. It's spot on! I had a sinking feeling that the sequel to The Secret of NIMH would try to erase the darkness of the first film. There's been some talk on different forums among us 90s kids about the "darkness" of the era. The "children's television" we grew up on didn't infantilize kids or insult our intelligence. The authors of our era knew kids could handle dark themes. They also knew it was necessary to discuss these themes in safe places like movies and television to help them deal with these themes in real life.
I remember when Mr. Hooper from Sesame Street passed. Jim Henson made an entire episode talking about death and the Muppets were grieving! This developed emotional intelligence in children. It showed us that it's okay to be sad and that death is a part of life. This would NEVER happen on TV today.
There were a lot of dark "children's movies/tv shows" back in the 80s and 90s like Batman: The Animated Series, Watership Down, The Dark Crystal, and Gargoyles. I can see why the Goth scene was so big back then. There was a lot of media that gave us the permission to be honest about the fact that the world can be a scary place sometimes.
I know what you mean, I grew up on Goosebumps and Roald Dahl. I could handle dark things as a kid.
I agree the second film even for a children's movie was total garbage. Granted the reason they had to go completely off the cuff in the second film is because they almost entirely changed the plot of the 1st film from the book version. For instance in the book version of the 1st movie Nicodemus doesn't get killed, Jenner is only mentioned as he deserted the colony and was thought to be dead due to an accident at a hardware store where 7 rats are electrocuted. The cinderblock doesn't sink into a mud puddle and there isn't a magic item that saves the Frisby/Brisby home from destruction lifting it back out of the mud. The rats experience no difficulty in moving the house, it goes off without a hitch and then final problem they are faced with is moving the colony from the Rose bush at the Fitzgiven's farm before the exterminators and scientists from NIHM flush them out with cyanide and recapture any that aren't killed outright by the gas. Being that Jenner even though he doesn't show up until the end of the second book to save his son Racso is key to things being successfully concluded in the plot of the 2nd book they had to write an entirely new plot for the second movie. In the 2nd book a congressman and the corporatist scum they work for is attempting to turn the farm country into a campground and lake resort for the ultra rich by putting in a dam to cause the river to flood. The entire community bands together farmers and other people not just the rats/wildlife of Thorn Valley and they defeat the congressman by sabotaging the dam and installing a fake program on the computer that allows them to control the dam. Jenner chews through the cord that links to their main power supply. Since in the movie version of the first book he was made into an impromptu villain and killed that would no longer be workable in the second movie.
Given the time period the first movie was released 1981 it makes sense why they reworked the plot of the 1st movie to include a magic item and to tone down the left leaning message of the book. It definitely has an environmentalism versus big business agenda theme through the plot of the books and given the rise of conservatism that started to make a comeback in the 70s I think the writers of the film versions wanted to dumb down the thematic elements of the books. Left leaning messages and activists in the United States were demonized and sent underground for most of the 20th century at least in the states to make way for corporate fascists that pull shit like this and they attempted to purge all leftists from American society. They failed miserably but for a time it had a traumatic effect on all forms of creative media released into the mainstream that's why it's so funny to see all the far right movie critics on RUclips getting there panties in a knot over any film or television series that has left leaning themes or an agenda to them. They want to go back to the days when movies were purely around for an escape from the real world and was completely devoid of some serious depth. This was the type of horseshit conservatives release because their base can't handle any critique to their standard operating procedures.
Ive seen it. I roll my eyes when timmy asked for hero training
What’s the song playing in the beginning of the background?
Yeah, this was a bad sequel. The original was a classic (even though it failed to compete with Disney), but this sequel was just made as a cheap, shameless attempt to make money off nostalgia.
Yeah and Forget, That Hermione Baddeley Who Originally Provided The Voice For Auntie Shrew Died of a Stroke in 1986, And Elizabeth Hartman Jumped To her Death in 1987, The Same Year I became a Jellicle Cat.
I used to binge this movie so much as a kid. Only later in life, when rewatching it as an adult, did I realize that my overactive imagination made it more epic and fun than it actually was.