Thanks again ! Shooting at 70m, last year I was at an average of high 80's low 90's. I don't shoot much during our Canadian winters,so this year my scores were in the 60's ???!!! Your videos helped give me a quick tune up. Fortunately, I have my own range,unfortunately my only access to a coach is over an hour away. Your videos really do help.
Some days I really struggle with consistent grip which does result on bow torquing and getting arrows hitting to the right. But I really notice when I pluck the string with my hand flying away from my face at release makes a bigger difference. When I've got those two things under control shooting is a joy and lots of good shots and scores. When they are not under control it's a long day and some poorer scores, particularly when shooting at 60 & 50m.
And..., another great video by Jake Kaminski! Thanks so much, man! Quick question: have you done a video that covers elbow height - particularly as it relates to finger pressure?
I enjoyed this. I think it would make for a great series of you tried it with different types of bow as well. So Barebone, compound, Trad and maybe even primitive with no shelf. I get the feeling you'll see more of a difference in the last two but that's just a hypothetical at this point
Agreed - I have a very light 27# student recurve barebow that is incredibly sensitive to the smallest mistakes in form. It is accurate, but you can't twist the string even a little or blink at your bow-hand or it will shoot off.
I noticed this myself with the barebow a few months ago. Bad grouping mixed with good grouping. I watched everything about my shot sequense (I thought), but found no cause. Until I looked back in your barebow series and ended up with the custom grip. Adjusted grip, but especially extra attention when gripping the bow resulted in a big improvement. Maby time for me to test the R-core bb grip ;-)
hey jake, liked this kind of video. id like to see next you doing something similar at 30m. for example: changing finger pressure on purposr, changing tiller to something extreme and seeing how the results come in. testing the limits so to speak. thanks!
Many time I see that base knuckles are not vertical but twisted like: \ (mostly with lighter bows) If you check the string then top is: |, inside the hand: \, then the bottom is | again. This handling of the string results in a strange release, fingers are leaving the string one by one beginning with the ringfinger. It would be interesting to see how this affects the impact. Also the finger pressure thing....
Could you make a "Hooter Shooter", with a variable tension "Flap" (to mimic a finger release)? I do appreciate the review of the different inconsistencies we can bring to each shot.
you should have applied the torque to the string when you set your hook not at your anchor. Thats where I find myself sometimes twisting the string at least. If I set my hook with my wrist is too far forward (bent outward), I end up visibly twisting the string and arrow when I draw and the wrist straightens out
Wouldn't the clicker be overriding the string torque, especially torquing the string towards the clicker as the spring stiffness is doing it's job? I totally agree the bow grip definitely affects the impacts, but if you remove the clicker and/or shoot from the shelf like a longbow, those torques are very easy to see. The reduction of paradox is helpful but learning how to utilize that paradox in your benefit it is ideal the farther from center you get. Try an English longbow with untuned versus tuned arrows and it's night and day difference for sure
Jake, that was interesting. If you are thinking about a test that would be interesting for barebow archers, I would like to see you shoot your olympic recurve with a slight adjustment in your clicker position, say a 1/4" or 1/8" forward and back to see what slight changes in draw length result in. I am a barebow archer and wondering how consistency changes my impacts. I would do it, but 1) I am not that good and 2) I don't have an Olympic recurve. Just a thought...
@@kaizen5023 It would. I guess I wondering by how much. One problem with barebow is there is no draw check. Just like this video, I am wondering about how tolerant archery is with draw length--would you need to draw a bow within 1/8 or a 1/4 an inch to be consistent enough? I am simply curious.
@@kaizen5023 changing drawlengt changed also the dynamic spine. So this can affect left and right. Also your anker can be on a different place where it can affect left end right.
Jake Do one when the left arm moves to the left at the same time you release the string. I have to always remind myself to keep left arm from moving. I shoot 3D alot with barebow and I find my shots either going left after I release or shooting low . What do you think ?
Have you seen this video yet? Do You Have a STRONG Bow Arm? | Bow Arm Reaction For Better Scores ruclips.net/video/XBXv0Kolbzg/видео.html I talk about ideal bow arm reaction after the shot.
Please correct me if i'm wrong: Isn't *torque* equal to *length* multiplied by *force* ? So if we assume the *force* applied by Jake is the same every time and if the *length* is the radius of the string OR bow grip... We know where the results come from radius string
Interesting how torquing the bow Rt gave slightly left groups. Here's a theory for you.... You were using a bit of asiatic Kahtra with the right torque, potentially moving the arrow away from riser/rest/plunger, hence the only slight left impacts. Conversely, I'd guess the left torque literally pushes the arrow left with more pressure/contact from the plunger.
Thanks again !
Shooting at 70m, last year I was at an average of high 80's low 90's. I don't shoot much during our Canadian winters,so this year my scores were in the 60's ???!!!
Your videos helped give me a quick tune up. Fortunately, I have my own range,unfortunately my only access to a coach is over an hour away. Your videos really do help.
Some days I really struggle with consistent grip which does result on bow torquing and getting arrows hitting to the right. But I really notice when I pluck the string with my hand flying away from my face at release makes a bigger difference. When I've got those two things under control shooting is a joy and lots of good shots and scores. When they are not under control it's a long day and some poorer scores, particularly when shooting at 60 & 50m.
And..., another great video by Jake Kaminski! Thanks so much, man! Quick question: have you done a video that covers elbow height - particularly as it relates to finger pressure?
That was useful. I was wondering if my high left arrows come from my bow hand or my string hand. You nailed it, thanks !
I think this is what i’ve been doing wrong lately. I’ll do a checkup tmr. Thank you
Thank you for this video! I have some horizontal grouping issues, so I'll try this out.
Thank you so much! This actually gives me some insights on some quirks in my shooting that I may not catch from sporadic videos.
Thanks Jake, That was very helpful. I sometimes find my groups very tight but a bit left. I will give this a good workout today during practice.
Thank you these are very helpful.
I enjoyed this. I think it would make for a great series of you tried it with different types of bow as well. So Barebone, compound, Trad and maybe even primitive with no shelf. I get the feeling you'll see more of a difference in the last two but that's just a hypothetical at this point
Agreed - I have a very light 27# student recurve barebow that is incredibly sensitive to the smallest mistakes in form. It is accurate, but you can't twist the string even a little or blink at your bow-hand or it will shoot off.
I noticed this myself with the barebow a few months ago. Bad grouping mixed with good grouping. I watched everything about my shot sequense (I thought), but found no cause. Until I looked back in your barebow series and ended up with the custom grip. Adjusted grip, but especially extra attention when gripping the bow resulted in a big improvement. Maby time for me to test the R-core bb grip ;-)
Applying torque to the right will shift the sight slightly to the right, which may be why the arrows are grouped to the left.
hey jake, liked this kind of video.
id like to see next you doing something similar at 30m.
for example: changing finger pressure on purposr, changing tiller to something extreme and seeing how the results come in. testing the limits so to speak.
thanks!
You are too good of an archer! Even with purposefully induced errors those shots do not go very far from the center.
Would you be able to make a video about your opinion on spin wings vs traditional ones you glue on?
I’d like to get to a point that I can’t screw up a shot even if I tried. Must be nice, kudos sir.
Great product
Many time I see that base knuckles are not vertical but twisted like: \ (mostly with lighter bows) If you check the string then top is: |, inside the hand: \, then the bottom is | again. This handling of the string results in a strange release, fingers are leaving the string one by one beginning with the ringfinger.
It would be interesting to see how this affects the impact. Also the finger pressure thing....
In my experience putting low hard pressure on the grip (heeling) results in arrow’s flying high. Archers?
Could you make a "Hooter Shooter", with a variable tension "Flap" (to mimic a finger release)?
I do appreciate the review of the different inconsistencies we can bring to each shot.
Yeah I want to!
Many requests in comments to see this same test done with barebow, please!
you should have applied the torque to the string when you set your hook not at your anchor. Thats where I find myself sometimes twisting the string at least.
If I set my hook with my wrist is too far forward (bent outward), I end up visibly twisting the string and arrow when I draw and the wrist straightens out
Wouldn't the clicker be overriding the string torque, especially torquing the string towards the clicker as the spring stiffness is doing it's job? I totally agree the bow grip definitely affects the impacts, but if you remove the clicker and/or shoot from the shelf like a longbow, those torques are very easy to see. The reduction of paradox is helpful but learning how to utilize that paradox in your benefit it is ideal the farther from center you get. Try an English longbow with untuned versus tuned arrows and it's night and day difference for sure
I suppose a barebow might react more sensitive to tourque than an Olympic recurve with all that weight on the stabilizers. Just guessing...
Jake, that was interesting. If you are thinking about a test that would be interesting for barebow archers, I would like to see you shoot your olympic recurve with a slight adjustment in your clicker position, say a 1/4" or 1/8" forward and back to see what slight changes in draw length result in. I am a barebow archer and wondering how consistency changes my impacts. I would do it, but 1) I am not that good and 2) I don't have an Olympic recurve. Just a thought...
Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't draw length change just affect the vertical not horizontal axis? Because you're adding or decreasing power.
@@kaizen5023 It would. I guess I wondering by how much. One problem with barebow is there is no draw check. Just like this video, I am wondering about how tolerant archery is with draw length--would you need to draw a bow within 1/8 or a 1/4 an inch to be consistent enough? I am simply curious.
@@kaizen5023 changing drawlengt changed also the dynamic spine. So this can affect left and right. Also your anker can be on a different place where it can affect left end right.
What's up with all the stabilizers , u trying to catch Tim Gillingham
Jake
Do one when the left arm moves to the left at the same time you release the string. I have to always remind myself to keep left arm from moving.
I shoot 3D alot with barebow and I find my shots either going left after I release or shooting low . What do you think ?
Have you seen this video yet? Do You Have a STRONG Bow Arm? | Bow Arm Reaction For Better Scores
ruclips.net/video/XBXv0Kolbzg/видео.html
I talk about ideal bow arm reaction after the shot.
I think if you don't maintain string alignment, torquing the bow grip will make even bigger changes left and right.
100% yes.
Please correct me if i'm wrong:
Isn't *torque* equal to *length* multiplied by *force* ?
So if we assume the *force* applied by Jake is the same every time and if the *length* is the radius of the string OR bow grip...
We know where the results come from
radius string
Hi Jake, I think you are not really able to do it really wrong. It always nearly perfect.
Hi Jake can you please (if possible) you invite Brady Ellison to shoot with you on your channel ?
What are our chances of a video of Jake twerking a bow?
Interesting how torquing the bow Rt gave slightly left groups. Here's a theory for you.... You were using a bit of asiatic Kahtra with the right torque, potentially moving the arrow away from riser/rest/plunger, hence the only slight left impacts. Conversely, I'd guess the left torque literally pushes the arrow left with more pressure/contact from the plunger.