What I find interesting is that the EBU said on May 11th that it would be inappropriate for Joost to participate due to the crime investigation. Now they say that the crime investigation had nothing to do with their decision to disqualify him. This on it's own suggests that he was disqualified for weird reasons.
Not really he was DQ before the crime investigation had begun or at the very least at the same time. We know for a fact that Joost made a threatening move against a female journalist(she should've not been there at all at that point), this journalist reported the incident to EBU and also made a police report. The EBU made an internal investigation. (We assume) They don't know exactly everything went down and what the threatening move itself was and they have a limited time to make a choice and they couldn't wait for what the outcome of crime investigation would be. What they knew for a fact was that Joost made some kind of a threatening move to this journalist. And as EBU being a big international organisation they had to take some kind of action especially when a threat/violent action occurs involving an artist, based on what they knew and could do a DQ would be the best decision.
That’s the whole point They were saving their own … They did not do an independent investigation, they decided to DQ Joost without proof. They should have let him perform and remove him from the scoreboard, after Eurovision (if guilty). Innocent when proven guilty. When someone files a complaint, the police has to investigate it, but it doesn’t mean someone’s guilty. Who will go to the police next year?
@@MariaMariamuzieklove They did have proof he did something, but they didn't know if it was enough to break a law as it's the prosecutors job. They also had an investigation and they had to finish it in less then 24 hours. And what he did wasn't something light, so I'd say DQ was the right decision.
@@swestuff according to the prosecutor there was no proof it was his intention to threaten the women, The EBU jumped to conclusions.How come they had prove, but the prosecutor doesn’t 🥲💙
WE ARE NOT OWED THE IDENTITY OF THE CAMERAPERSON And I say this as a Dutch person who was very upset about the disqualification and is of the conviction that Joost should be the opening act of the ESC next year, but the identity of the cameraperson should remain a secret. Ideally, with this altercation, Joost should have been as well while the police investigation ran. The fact that he was not (due to the EBUs insane actions), does not allow the other person to become known to 'the general public'. In that case she will get hate mail, threats and everything nasty because so many people, myself included, have chosen side with Joost. As much as I disagree with her actions, this is between her, Joost (and crew) and the EBU/ESC organistion and thus should not have a public awareness of any kind. The same can not be said about the EBU. They are the public cause and they deserve the hate, the booos (the oh so many booos), and the consistent demands to correct their horrible behaviour. That said, you did a great analysis of all the events that have happened. Thanks for making and sharing the video
If the camerawoman in question is Keren Peles than we definitely *should* be told about it. She's a public figure and she had posted several videos of herself harassing Joost all week. Again, *IF* that's the case we have a right to know about it. Considering how vague, cagey, and self-contradictory the EBU has been regarding the situation, I certainly do not exclude the possibility it was her. Just sayin'.
@@Itcouldbebunnies From the responses of both the EBU and AvroTros, we know that the cameraperson was recording there on behalf of the EBU on every single act. For other delegations, exit stage videos have been posted on Tiktok. As it would be weird for crew members to also be part of a delegation it is highly unlikely that Keren Peles (who was part of the Israeli delegation) was the one who the altercation was with. Otherwise AvroTros would not have hammered as much on the no-film agreement for that particular moment by the EBU. It also would not align that Dutch fan-press was able to report from multiple sources. That said. Even if it was her. I still stand by my argument that her identity should not be shared. However, the fact that she had harassed Joost on other occassions previously should have been part of the public defense.
@@dutcherrct3 I agree! It's the EBU who did something wrong here, not the camerawoman. It's never wrong to report someone who makes you feel disrespected. The EBU overreacted and should have let Joost compete, and maybe fined him if a more thourough investigation proved that he did something wrong. I'm fed up with people assuming that the camerawoman was begging for attention.
As a huge dutch eurovision fan, we should stay away next year from the event. I would like to see our broadcaster make sure that things, protecting the artists and getting rid of double standards, actually change before we start thinking about participating again.
EBU immediately removed Joost from their app and the competition, but they never removed his semi final performance or the Euopapa video on You Tube why? Apparently the incident wasn’t bad enough to cash his money (85 million views in total, and counting!) Talking about double standards…
Thank you so much for this. 😘 Watching this I get very upset again,frustrated,angry and sad again. I agree with everything you said. And thank you for the nice words about the personality of our Joost. He's so honest,pure,himself,respectful,considering,so open. Always trying his best to survive everything that lifes throws at him. I hope my country/AVRO TROS will NOT participates anymore, until the EBU shows some responsibility for their decisions,actions and double standards in 2024. (And also the double standards in which countries can participate.) Violating stated boundaries is also breaking the rules! With this attitude of EBU,this "trauma" will never heals.
It was the worst year for Eurovision ever. That just ruined my year for Eurovision such as the protests, Joost Klein disqualification, UK has 0 points, hate and politics. EBU should be ashamed for this. Incredible documentary.
I always believed the moment this happened Israel delegation did play a role in some way. I believe EBU wanted to get rid of him because he was too honest and they were afraid he would speak up more during interviews or even at the show. Also this happened after EBU found out that Israel won the televote of Italy in the second semi-finale. I believe that they just used the situation with that camera woman as a way to get rid of him without involving Israel in it because that obviously would make even more angry. EBU wants our country to participate and I do believe they will even though the people right now feel like we shouldn't because next year Israel will still be there and to be honest I do not think the situation will be much different inn 2025. We do not want to risk to be disqualified again but we also don't want to pretend nothing is wrong haha and I do not hate Israel by the way before anyone immediately screams nazi. We can not ignore how weird this was and the only happy group were the Israeli people when he was disqualified because they were already demonizing him purely because he was honest, because after all Israel is in a certain situation that can not be ignored. Also they should never let that woman film again and I say this as a woman. if she get traumatized because a camera fell out of her hands because he didn't want to filmed then I am sorry you should not be there filming to begin with. She was allowed to film people without their personal permission yet his wishes somehow didn't matter at all, yet she is the victim purely because he showed his limits. EBU showed that they do not have a safe place for the artists and neither for fan media. They do protect Israel delegation at all cost though. Indeed it was never shared who she was so how did she receive hate messages?. Unless it actually was that Israeli woman that received messages on TikTok, but that wasn't the same person I assume. It was a Swedish woman they said. So they are lying anyway which is part of the problem. They act like people are stupid. In fact I think Joost needs to heal from this whole event more than that woman needs to. Because nobody knows who she is aside from the insiders. Lots of people know Joost and he was looked at being a beater or abuser for quite a time until more information came out which took an awful lot of time. He was just a danger to EBU because he is not fake, but he is honest haha.
With this case, the EBU has established absolute power over all contestants in the contest: they have shown a willingness to disqualify without proper grounds and without willingness to view incidents from each side. This may make it so much more difficult for people to speak up. I fear for contestants' rights to freedom of speech.
@@MariaMariamuzieklove It's not a conspiracy theory. Moroccanoil is an Israeli company and it's the main sponsor of Eurovision. It would be naive to think that the literal main sponsor of an event has no control over the event
So basically the EBU was completely dismissive of a participant's conditions (it might be private but Joost's behavior closely resembles autism, by my own personal experience), didn't accommodate his needs, let a cameraperson film him despite his own self report of high anxiety and being overwhelmed right after his participation, leading to him reacting in a way that he himself warned about and that he himself tried to take measures to avoid. The EBU completely ignored his warnings or failed to notify and control their employees, said employee receiving the mildest discomfort in the form of an unpleasant gesture by the overwhelmed artist, and then promptly punished the artist for the logical and completely inoffensive response that he warned about. So the EBU disqualified a person for being autistic and acting accordingly. 😊 United by music! 😊
Yes, Joost is to put it mildly neurodivergent, and you can even see it during the debut of the song on Dutch TV he's covering his face with the Dutch flag to avoid being filmed, and that's just after showing the clip. Imagine what it must've been like to perform it live, especially after the closing statement (where you could hear a tear in his voice). He simply gets lost in his emotions, and he can't handle more stimuli.
He didn't give consent to be filmed, and Avrotros says they even made a specific agreement about when and where Joost would be filmed. They weren't supposed to film him in that moment. And he repeatedly said stop filming too. His reaction of pushing down the camera sounds like a survival instinct/reflex to me because his boundaries were violated. And Joost is also neurodivergent, they are more sensitive about personal boundaries compared to neurotypical people. Disqualification was an extreme decision over an incident like this
Great summary dude. Joost isn't just famous... He's Infamous... And that's so much better. In a world full of 'take no responsibility' Karens (and Kerens)... A kindly witch shouted 'love will always triumh hate'... They were right 💚🤍🧡
I know he's infamous for punching a Camera from a Jewish Woman, but I just hope he gets put behind bars to spend some time in Prison without a Jailbreak with Harvey Weinstein on Board.
Joost mentioned the company (not specific) but we all know the main sponsor was Maroccan Oil aka Israeli company! A different aspect that followed this was Germany and having border controls, Europapa was all about the open borders. All this is more complex and deeper, connected to European nationalism, colonialism, capitalism, etc.
@@Jacq843 Please enlighten me.... this festival has been political since it's inception. We humans are political and make things political. I am not making too much of this. You are just not looking good enough. Look deeper and read between the lines.
I think we know everything that ws will ever know anything about this situation ant this will be talked about for years to come and this contest as a whole will probably be talked about for a long time as one of if not the most controversial Eurovision Ever
Also I think that the main sponsor of the contest played a role being part of the delegation that was under fire because of the harrasment of other delegations.... witch is still the main sponsor. So not saying anything and holding blindly to a "we were wright" possition seems like "we want to preserve our main sponsor" move.
if I'm not wrong the next one sounds very similar to alex rochon (voiced spamton in several reels and caine in tadc), who explicitly said not to use mimics of his voice, it might be wrong but it's not only odd but painful to hear
I believe the press conference after the 2nd semi-final was just a bit after the incident that led to the disqualification. I hope EBU / Eurovision take care of the artists next year better so they don't have the stuff going on at this year.
The real reason to why he was disqualified was that they realized he would win the contest. The female and Joost could just have talked after the incident but noo, something non-serious had to become something mega big and she went to report him as if it was super serious. Europapa was by far the best song in Eurovision 2024, it was too catchy and they had to get rid of it to give space for politics.
Great video, thank you! I feel like I really get the headspace Joost might've been in after watching it, I can relate to some of his mannerisms (e.g. the headphones, and the flag covering his head might've been a statement but it also looks very soothing to me, especially if he does it a lot in other contexts too). May I offer some constructive criticism? Or maybe just a personal opinion regarding the photos and stock footage you use. I find it a bit distracting and at points I was confused as to whether the footage was actual footage of the happenings in Malmö or not. At first i thought the three peeping clowns you showed were real - that one was probably on me 😂 I get that you're setting the scene, but your narration is good enough to do that on its own in my opinion! And the pictures that actually show things that happened, the screenshots of messages, the photos of Joost and translations of the Israeli delegations posts - all of that is amazing! As I said, it might just be me, in any case this was a great video ♥️
Hiding behind the police investigation while knowing the basics of what happened is what makes the EBU a guilty party in this story. Because a police investigation doesn’t mean someone is guilty or innocent in any way. You can accuse anyone else for everything without anything haven happened, and the police still is required to investigate.
I do not think we are owed the identity of the cameraperson, Joost is a large public figure with millions of fans. If their identity was ousted, they would get way more than their claims of '7000 threats a day.' I don't think Joost would want that for them either. The least that could be said though is a public apology or at least acknowledgement from the cameraperson and EBU that they may have done something wrong as well.
My problem with the zero tolerance stance by the EBU is it means zero nuance. What if he hits someone by accident, because it is crowded or he swings his arm the wrong way. With zero tolerance this should be a reason for disqualification.
The Isreali delegation acted exactly as they do when they are in Isreal. There are no consequences for Isreal, so they can do whatever they want, wherever they are. But if you are rude to them, ignore them, or talk against them, then you are antisemetic and should be punished.
Im so glad that despite all the drama that was happening this year, a non-binary person brought home the trophy. 💕 Although ofc that gives the Rimtim crowd yet an excuse to be extra nasty and transphobic in every comment section ever
I truely don't think that's the "Rimtim crowd". They just went with whatever they liked that wasn't nonbinary. I know, because my dad is one of those people. Please don't put this on the song. Baby Lasagna has nothing to do with them. Also too, I liked Baby Lasagna better, but there was just absolutely no way that song would win over The Code. The song, the vocals, the staging, the everthing. Everything was just perfect for Eurovision. They deserved to win for sure.
I absolutely don’t believe a camerawoman (or a man) is week! Do you know how much muscle strength it takes to carry and keep a camera stable? Following (in this case the artist) at a brisk walk (sometimes running) and get good footage? A camera person can not be called week
He should have been disqualified after this interview anyway - 03:09 I wouldn't want him or anyone who makes such threats anywhere near the attending audience.
There were entries that harassed people behind the scenes and on tv and they didn't even get a warning but an interview is what should get someone disqualified? Lol
@@bunnywarI absolutely agree that the EBU should've done something about the Israeli delegation and fans harassing other artists. The EBU should've never let Israel into the 2024 contest. But even implied bomb threats should absolutely be taken seriously. Maybe he didn't even realise that's how his comment could be interpreted, but it is very chilling.
@@emdove you realize people call drama on the internet getting attention blowing up right? You took it literally when it's slang from someone who's first language is not English
He was making a reference about the chaotic Gabber (Dutch rave) section of his song with the 'boom boom' beat that really gets the audience going ... and that's why the EBU would put it on last. Zero 'threats'. It was just a fun comment made by a fun guy at the end of a fun interview ... ruclips.net/video/aXL90U66dZU/видео.htmlsi=RU6st2rbOOpYZID3
This was absolutely true that the songwriter from 1srael was actinglikeab*tch and filmed Joost without his consent all while knowing that he had requested not to film him.
Hiding behind the police investigation while knowing the basics of what happened is what makes the EBU a guilty party in this story. Because a police investigation doesn’t mean someone is guilty or innocent in any way. You can accuse anyone else for everything without anything haven happened, and the police still is required to investigate.
What I find interesting is that the EBU said on May 11th that it would be inappropriate for Joost to participate due to the crime investigation. Now they say that the crime investigation had nothing to do with their decision to disqualify him. This on it's own suggests that he was disqualified for weird reasons.
True their official statements don’t match, that’s a fact and easy to check.
Not really he was DQ before the crime investigation had begun or at the very least at the same time.
We know for a fact that Joost made a threatening move against a female journalist(she should've not been there at all at that point), this journalist reported the incident to EBU and also made a police report.
The EBU made an internal investigation. (We assume) They don't know exactly everything went down and what the threatening move itself was and they have a limited time to make a choice and they couldn't wait for what the outcome of crime investigation would be.
What they knew for a fact was that Joost made some kind of a threatening move to this journalist. And as EBU being a big international organisation they had to take some kind of action especially when a threat/violent action occurs involving an artist, based on what they knew and could do a DQ would be the best decision.
That’s the whole point They were saving their own … They did not do an independent investigation, they decided to DQ Joost without proof. They should have let him perform and remove him from the scoreboard, after Eurovision (if guilty). Innocent when proven guilty. When someone files a complaint, the police has to investigate it, but it doesn’t mean someone’s guilty. Who will go to the police next year?
@@MariaMariamuzieklove They did have proof he did something, but they didn't know if it was enough to break a law as it's the prosecutors job.
They also had an investigation and they had to finish it in less then 24 hours.
And what he did wasn't something light, so I'd say DQ was the right decision.
@@swestuff according to the prosecutor there was no proof it was his intention to threaten the women, The EBU jumped to conclusions.How come they had prove, but the prosecutor doesn’t 🥲💙
WE ARE NOT OWED THE IDENTITY OF THE CAMERAPERSON
And I say this as a Dutch person who was very upset about the disqualification and is of the conviction that Joost should be the opening act of the ESC next year, but the identity of the cameraperson should remain a secret. Ideally, with this altercation, Joost should have been as well while the police investigation ran. The fact that he was not (due to the EBUs insane actions), does not allow the other person to become known to 'the general public'. In that case she will get hate mail, threats and everything nasty because so many people, myself included, have chosen side with Joost. As much as I disagree with her actions, this is between her, Joost (and crew) and the EBU/ESC organistion and thus should not have a public awareness of any kind.
The same can not be said about the EBU. They are the public cause and they deserve the hate, the booos (the oh so many booos), and the consistent demands to correct their horrible behaviour.
That said, you did a great analysis of all the events that have happened. Thanks for making and sharing the video
If the camerawoman in question is Keren Peles than we definitely *should* be told about it. She's a public figure and she had posted several videos of herself harassing Joost all week. Again, *IF* that's the case we have a right to know about it. Considering how vague, cagey, and self-contradictory the EBU has been regarding the situation, I certainly do not exclude the possibility it was her. Just sayin'.
@@Itcouldbebunnies From the responses of both the EBU and AvroTros, we know that the cameraperson was recording there on behalf of the EBU on every single act. For other delegations, exit stage videos have been posted on Tiktok. As it would be weird for crew members to also be part of a delegation it is highly unlikely that Keren Peles (who was part of the Israeli delegation) was the one who the altercation was with. Otherwise AvroTros would not have hammered as much on the no-film agreement for that particular moment by the EBU. It also would not align that Dutch fan-press was able to report from multiple sources.
That said. Even if it was her. I still stand by my argument that her identity should not be shared. However, the fact that she had harassed Joost on other occassions previously should have been part of the public defense.
@@dutcherrct3 I agree! It's the EBU who did something wrong here, not the camerawoman. It's never wrong to report someone who makes you feel disrespected. The EBU overreacted and should have let Joost compete, and maybe fined him if a more thourough investigation proved that he did something wrong. I'm fed up with people assuming that the camerawoman was begging for attention.
As a huge dutch eurovision fan, we should stay away next year from the event.
I would like to see our broadcaster make sure that things, protecting the artists and getting rid of double standards, actually change before we start thinking about participating again.
EBU immediately removed Joost from their app and the competition, but they never removed his semi final performance or the Euopapa video on You Tube why? Apparently the incident wasn’t bad enough to cash his money (85 million views in total, and counting!) Talking about double standards…
i felt like Joost Klein's disqualification was both sabotage and diversion.
That would mean the EBU was smarter than it appeared to be. They couldn't read the room.
Thank you so much for this. 😘
Watching this I get very upset again,frustrated,angry and sad again.
I agree with everything you said. And thank you for the nice words about the personality of our Joost. He's so honest,pure,himself,respectful,considering,so open. Always trying his best to survive everything that lifes throws at him.
I hope my country/AVRO TROS will NOT participates anymore, until the EBU shows some responsibility for their decisions,actions and double standards in 2024.
(And also the double standards in which countries can participate.)
Violating stated boundaries is also breaking the rules!
With this attitude of EBU,this "trauma" will never heals.
thank you!!! You explained everything very clearly, I completely agree with everything.
It was the worst year for Eurovision ever. That just ruined my year for Eurovision such as the protests, Joost Klein disqualification, UK has 0 points, hate and politics. EBU should be ashamed for this. Incredible documentary.
I always believed the moment this happened Israel delegation did play a role in some way. I believe EBU wanted to get rid of him because he was too honest and they were afraid he would speak up more during interviews or even at the show. Also this happened after EBU found out that Israel won the televote of Italy in the second semi-finale. I believe that they just used the situation with that camera woman as a way to get rid of him without involving Israel in it because that obviously would make even more angry. EBU wants our country to participate and I do believe they will even though the people right now feel like we shouldn't because next year Israel will still be there and to be honest I do not think the situation will be much different inn 2025. We do not want to risk to be disqualified again but we also don't want to pretend nothing is wrong haha and I do not hate Israel by the way before anyone immediately screams nazi. We can not ignore how weird this was and the only happy group were the Israeli people when he was disqualified because they were already demonizing him purely because he was honest, because after all Israel is in a certain situation that can not be ignored.
Also they should never let that woman film again and I say this as a woman. if she get traumatized because a camera fell out of her hands because he didn't want to filmed then I am sorry you should not be there filming to begin with. She was allowed to film people without their personal permission yet his wishes somehow didn't matter at all, yet she is the victim purely because he showed his limits. EBU showed that they do not have a safe place for the artists and neither for fan media. They do protect Israel delegation at all cost though. Indeed it was never shared who she was so how did she receive hate messages?. Unless it actually was that Israeli woman that received messages on TikTok, but that wasn't the same person I assume. It was a Swedish woman they said. So they are lying anyway which is part of the problem. They act like people are stupid. In fact I think Joost needs to heal from this whole event more than that woman needs to. Because nobody knows who she is aside from the insiders. Lots of people know Joost and he was looked at being a beater or abuser for quite a time until more information came out which took an awful lot of time. He was just a danger to EBU because he is not fake, but he is honest haha.
Bambie Thug "love will always triumph!"
Thanks for this , it was like therapy
All that drama and nothing... it really seems like a deliberate sabotage.
With this case, the EBU has established absolute power over all contestants in the contest: they have shown a willingness to disqualify without proper grounds and without willingness to view incidents from each side. This may make it so much more difficult for people to speak up. I fear for contestants' rights to freedom of speech.
So true. And let's not forget the EBU did everything to satisfy the biggist sponsor, the Israeli company Moroccanoil 😢
That’s a conspiracy theory let’s stick to the facts.
@@MariaMariamuzieklove It's not a conspiracy theory. Moroccanoil is an Israeli company and it's the main sponsor of Eurovision. It would be naive to think that the literal main sponsor of an event has no control over the event
So basically the EBU was completely dismissive of a participant's conditions (it might be private but Joost's behavior closely resembles autism, by my own personal experience), didn't accommodate his needs, let a cameraperson film him despite his own self report of high anxiety and being overwhelmed right after his participation, leading to him reacting in a way that he himself warned about and that he himself tried to take measures to avoid. The EBU completely ignored his warnings or failed to notify and control their employees, said employee receiving the mildest discomfort in the form of an unpleasant gesture by the overwhelmed artist, and then promptly punished the artist for the logical and completely inoffensive response that he warned about. So the EBU disqualified a person for being autistic and acting accordingly. 😊 United by music! 😊
Yes, Joost is to put it mildly neurodivergent, and you can even see it during the debut of the song on Dutch TV he's covering his face with the Dutch flag to avoid being filmed, and that's just after showing the clip. Imagine what it must've been like to perform it live, especially after the closing statement (where you could hear a tear in his voice). He simply gets lost in his emotions, and he can't handle more stimuli.
Abolish the media, Joost did not deserve to be called a woman beater.
10th and 11th of may 2024 gave me PTSD and i'm not even kidding
Same here❤
He didn't give consent to be filmed, and Avrotros says they even made a specific agreement about when and where Joost would be filmed. They weren't supposed to film him in that moment. And he repeatedly said stop filming too. His reaction of pushing down the camera sounds like a survival instinct/reflex to me because his boundaries were violated. And Joost is also neurodivergent, they are more sensitive about personal boundaries compared to neurotypical people. Disqualification was an extreme decision over an incident like this
Great summary dude. Joost isn't just famous... He's Infamous... And that's so much better. In a world full of 'take no responsibility' Karens (and Kerens)... A kindly witch shouted 'love will always triumh hate'... They were right 💚🤍🧡
I know he's infamous for punching a Camera from a Jewish Woman, but I just hope he gets put behind bars to spend some time in Prison without a Jailbreak with Harvey Weinstein on Board.
Great documentary about weird and sad event, thanks 👍🏻
Thank you for making this. Very informative, so many details and made a point
Joost mentioned the company (not specific) but we all know the main sponsor was Maroccan Oil aka Israeli company!
A different aspect that followed this was Germany and having border controls, Europapa was all about the open borders.
All this is more complex and deeper, connected to European nationalism, colonialism, capitalism, etc.
Holy moly you make to much of this, and you clearly don't understand were Europapa stands for
@@Jacq843 Please enlighten me.... this festival has been political since it's inception. We humans are political and make things political. I am not making too much of this. You are just not looking good enough. Look deeper and read between the lines.
I think we know everything that ws will ever know anything about this situation ant this will be talked about for years to come and this contest as a whole will probably be talked about for a long time as one of if not the most controversial Eurovision Ever
Also I think that the main sponsor of the contest played a role being part of the delegation that was under fire because of the harrasment of other delegations.... witch is still the main sponsor. So not saying anything and holding blindly to a "we were wright" possition seems like "we want to preserve our main sponsor" move.
Thankyou for this!!!
NOT THE AI VOICES FROM 2008! 37:00 So painful to listen to.
This!!
if I'm not wrong the next one sounds very similar to alex rochon (voiced spamton in several reels and caine in tadc), who explicitly said not to use mimics of his voice, it might be wrong but it's not only odd but painful to hear
@@darsterz it's the quality for me. If you're gonna do it, do it correctly. Or just voice it yourself.
@@SyndroOmCani or also getting some decently sounding and royalty free voicebanks or any regular text to speech
great job with this video!
EBU is Over party 🥳🥳🥳
I believe the press conference after the 2nd semi-final was just a bit after the incident that led to the disqualification. I hope EBU / Eurovision take care of the artists next year better so they don't have the stuff going on at this year.
The real reason to why he was disqualified was that they realized he would win the contest. The female and Joost could just have talked after the incident but noo, something non-serious had to become something mega big and she went to report him as if it was super serious. Europapa was by far the best song in Eurovision 2024, it was too catchy and they had to get rid of it to give space for politics.
this is such a good video
Huge thank you for covering this!
Great documentary! #LoveAlwaysWins
Great video, thank you! I feel like I really get the headspace Joost might've been in after watching it, I can relate to some of his mannerisms (e.g. the headphones, and the flag covering his head might've been a statement but it also looks very soothing to me, especially if he does it a lot in other contexts too).
May I offer some constructive criticism? Or maybe just a personal opinion regarding the photos and stock footage you use. I find it a bit distracting and at points I was confused as to whether the footage was actual footage of the happenings in Malmö or not. At first i thought the three peeping clowns you showed were real - that one was probably on me 😂
I get that you're setting the scene, but your narration is good enough to do that on its own in my opinion! And the pictures that actually show things that happened, the screenshots of messages, the photos of Joost and translations of the Israeli delegations posts - all of that is amazing!
As I said, it might just be me, in any case this was a great video ♥️
I agree with the constructive criticism. Everything else was great except the stock footage.
Hiding behind the police investigation while knowing the basics of what happened is what makes the EBU a guilty party in this story. Because a police investigation doesn’t mean someone is guilty or innocent in any way.
You can accuse anyone else for everything without anything haven happened, and the police still is required to investigate.
eurovision evolved into BS-vision who is gonna take this show serious ever again untill ebu personal gets replaced by real capable people
The Netherlands should drop out of the competition and start a new one!
I do not think we are owed the identity of the cameraperson, Joost is a large public figure with millions of fans. If their identity was ousted, they would get way more than their claims of '7000 threats a day.' I don't think Joost would want that for them either. The least that could be said though is a public apology or at least acknowledgement from the cameraperson and EBU that they may have done something wrong as well.
My problem with the zero tolerance stance by the EBU is it means zero nuance. What if he hits someone by accident, because it is crowded or he swings his arm the wrong way. With zero tolerance this should be a reason for disqualification.
The Isreali delegation acted exactly as they do when they are in Isreal. There are no consequences for Isreal, so they can do whatever they want, wherever they are. But if you are rude to them, ignore them, or talk against them, then you are antisemetic and should be punished.
Im so glad that despite all the drama that was happening this year, a non-binary person brought home the trophy. 💕 Although ofc that gives the Rimtim crowd yet an excuse to be extra nasty and transphobic in every comment section ever
I truely don't think that's the "Rimtim crowd". They just went with whatever they liked that wasn't nonbinary. I know, because my dad is one of those people. Please don't put this on the song. Baby Lasagna has nothing to do with them. Also too, I liked Baby Lasagna better, but there was just absolutely no way that song would win over The Code. The song, the vocals, the staging, the everthing. Everything was just perfect for Eurovision. They deserved to win for sure.
I absolutely don’t believe a camerawoman (or a man) is week! Do you know how much muscle strength it takes to carry and keep a camera stable? Following (in this case the artist) at a brisk walk (sometimes running) and get good footage? A camera person can not be called week
She was filming with a phone?
Great
He should have been disqualified after this interview anyway - 03:09 I wouldn't want him or anyone who makes such threats anywhere near the attending audience.
There were entries that harassed people behind the scenes and on tv and they didn't even get a warning but an interview is what should get someone disqualified? Lol
@@bunnywarI absolutely agree that the EBU should've done something about the Israeli delegation and fans harassing other artists. The EBU should've never let Israel into the 2024 contest. But even implied bomb threats should absolutely be taken seriously. Maybe he didn't even realise that's how his comment could be interpreted, but it is very chilling.
This is not a threat to hurt anyone? I would rather think it's a threat that they are scared about him TALKING
@@emdove you realize people call drama on the internet getting attention blowing up right? You took it literally when it's slang from someone who's first language is not English
He was making a reference about the chaotic Gabber (Dutch rave) section of his song with the 'boom boom' beat that really gets the audience going ... and that's why the EBU would put it on last. Zero 'threats'. It was just a fun comment made by a fun guy at the end of a fun interview ... ruclips.net/video/aXL90U66dZU/видео.htmlsi=RU6st2rbOOpYZID3
9:00 your video is just full of untrue facts . I won’t watch this
well well well
It is exactly what happened, what are the untrue facts in your opinion?
Israel wrecked Eurovision along with EBU and Swedish media
This was absolutely true that the songwriter from 1srael was actinglikeab*tch and filmed Joost without his consent all while knowing that he had requested not to film him.
By secretly filming and posting condescending comments Keren Peles acted like a really despicable person
Hiding behind the police investigation while knowing the basics of what happened is what makes the EBU a guilty party in this story. Because a police investigation doesn’t mean someone is guilty or innocent in any way.
You can accuse anyone else for everything without anything haven happened, and the police still is required to investigate.