Same reason they all walked off the court without shaking hands after getting swept. These guys act like it was the bulls knocking them out the playoffs year after year after year.
Rodman is pretty much the only exception. But Salley was never high on Jordan. Him, Laimbert and ESPECIALLY Isaiah Thomas hated Jordan. Its deeper than Basketball with Isiah tho. Lmao
I'm from the Westside of Chicago, I'm 38 and I saw the Bulls play live at the Old Chicago Stadium and the UC. Pippen is arguably the most skilled player of all-time. From 1990 to 1998 he was the best two-way player at his position. He was the most defensively dominating SF that ever played the game and when he retired and it wasn't even close. He revolutionized his position and was the prototype for the modern point-forward. T-Mac, KD, Kawhi, LeBron, Grant Hill, Paul George, etc. That's Scottie. Now let's look at those players. The only one who can defend like Scottie is Kawhi but Kahwi can't handle the ball and make plays like Pippen. LeBron can make plays and handle the ball like Scottie but he still was never the defender Pippen was. I don't think people understand how dominant it is to average 20 points, 6 boards and 6 dimes with a two steals and block. Pippen during his era was the only SF to ever lead the NBA with steals. Some years he was damn near averaging 3 steals a game!!! Kahwi is the best defender in today's game but he could defend quite like Scottie. The only other players to be able to defend like Pippen were his teammates: Rodman and Jordan. Add the fact Pippen could get you 6 or 7 dimes a game, 8 boards and 20+ points and we are talking about a player who besides Jordan and Hakeem was the best two-way player in the NBA from 1989 until 1999. Jordan never won without Pippen and vice versa so let's stop reducing Scottie to just being Robin like he was a sidekick and just along for Jordan's ride. It's super disrespectful and Pippen is just a country boy from Arkansas so he's super duper humble but Scottie Pippen not only was #2 behind MJ but during those Championship runs he arguably was the secondd best player in the NBA after MJ because he was dominant and had a style conducive to winning. Scottie Pippen has an all-star MVP and 6 rings!!!!! Salley is not blowing smoke. Now personally I think in terms of overall skills on both ends and being able to play and defend multiple positions and put makrs in the most check mark's in a box score Pippen definitely could do it all in terms of intangibles conducive to winning. In today's game he would totally have a similar impact to a guy who reminds me of him which is Giannis who is obviously bigger but of similar build and playing style.
@@judahmourneth3211 How do you know this? He lead a Rodman and Jordan-less Bulls to the ECF's and spent him early and prime years winning. How in the hell can you not be a leader and basketball is a team game and you are winning championships. Jordan was a role player as well. His role was to be closer. Texas Winters role was to orchestrate the Triangle Offense, Rodman's role was to rebound, Kerr or Paxson's role was to make the open three, BJ Armstrong's role was to set up the offense, etc. Pippen's role was to do everything neccessary to win.
Jordan is the GOAT. But I hate how most people try to look over the fact he had one of the best supporting cast in nba history. Pippen, Rodman, Harper, Kerr, Longley. Kukoc,etc. That's a couple HOF players. Give them their credit also
That's not entirely true. They were good at their roles but to name Longley and Kerr as a great supporting cast is a bit of a stretch. Rodman and Harpers best years were pre-Bulls so to say that he had Hall of Famers is kinda disingenuous. That's like saying LeBron had Shaq, D-Rose, Rashard Lewis, Lance Stephenson, Javele McGee etc. None of those guys were in their prime. Jordan had a good supporting cast within a system that allowed players to do their job. So you're right, def give them credit but drop the "of all time". Let's not hyperbolize their worth.
The league was dying b4 Dr. J got 2 the NBA. He’s the birth of the modern day player that plays above the rim. Still the most graceful player 2 ever play in the league including Jordan.
I wouldve said his fundamentals were more on point, and a more all around player, but MJ is still more skilled Imo, comparing pippen to Lebron, that's more interesting
I think they were both good on fundamentals. I think Jordan was slightly more athletic than Pippen, which helped him shine, especially in clutch situations. Jordan was able to pull off amazing acrobatic, trick shots that Pippen simply would not attempt. Jordan was more of an entertainer than Pippen was. Jordan not only wanted to win, he wanted to look good doing it. I don't think Pippen cared much HOW they got the win, as long as they got it.
Niles Stevenson if Pippen is more fundamentally on point and a more all around player. How is Jordan more skill than Pippen ? Scottie played the 1,2,3 and some occasion the 4 spot offensively and defensively could Jordan do that. So how is Jordan more skill than Pippen?
Darrell & Veronica Ball Jordan played the 1, 2, and 3 also. Are u forgetting the 1988-1989 season where MJ averaged 32, 8, and 8? He played PG at the end of the season and averaged a triple double from his time at PG. Also he is more skilled than Pippen
John Salley is right though. He basically said " Jordan was the Second Coming " but he just couldn't view him that way. And Pippen was a more versatile player. That doesn't mean that Pippen is better than Jordan. It just meant that Pippen was the X-factor because he could do it all. Pippen is an underrated player. Everyone that played in that era knows what type of player he was and he gets nothing but Praise for it. Salley never discredited Jordan's greatness.
I agree with John S. about Scottie and John strikes me as very thoughtful and intelligent. You can find players that in a certain aspect/part of basketball are better than Scottie but in terms of the overall package when you factor in all of the different skill sets, he is just the one that has it all. Scottie cannot be #1 in any single category because his game requires him to be doing everything at all times for the team. This is why it has taken 30 years or so to completely start appreciating what he brought to the NBA but it is finally happening.
Matt Matt the combination of skill and talent is what makes a player good. Melo has always been a more skilled scorer than Bron but Bron has always been the better player
More "skilled"? Yeah it's possible. Tim Duncan was also extremely "skilled." Skilled can be defined as learning and refining fundamentals in the gym. More talented? A better player? Oh hell no.
@@mauricewatson123 Obviously I respect Salley for playing or riding the bench BUT my point is no way Pippen is more skilled on offense than Jordan and Pippen never won a DPOY on defense. So Salley makes sense w personal opinion but with facts he makes none.
I peeped that too. Once he said this it was basically, the end. Double and even triple teams on Michael Jordan made it easier on all the Bulls players and even made them more versatile.
@Brian G I grew up in the Chicago area during the championship years and saw them play. Scottie was definitely a more skilled all-around baller than MJ. He could control one game by scoring, the next game on passing, and the next game after that on defense without scoring a single point. MJ could never do that, it's just not his game. Scottie can also guard more sizes, was a better ball handler, was a better interior defender, and was the one who directed the triangle offense. Salley knows what he's talking about.
ralph laurens mascot but then alot of ppl in the comments would say vlad be instigating when he do shit like that. Puting a black man against another black man
He’s right if you think about it. Skill wise he had no weakness an can play any position besides center. 6’9 and bring the ball down as the point. Pretty much run the offense on the court.
Nothing to think about if you've played attention and didn't buy into the Jordan mystique. Pippen was SOLID in 4 of the 5 positions. More importantly, the Bulls improved dramatically once they acquired Pippen.
Warren Dixon he's not right cause MJ had no weaknesses either and was better than Scottie at pretty much everything, except rebounding. Defense and passing is arguable
Sally is 100% right...MJ is without question the GOAT, but Pippen was the most skilled and versatile player of his time...The OGs including Jordan KNOW this!!!
Salley making things up again In those bad boy specials on the pistons they ALL said all u had to do was focus on mj. They had nobody else. Look at the 30 for 30 on them where lambier says it Kenny smith literally said that u nobody double teamed scottie pippen. Also chuck person was shooting 3s from the forward spot at only an inch shorter than pippen. Way b4 pippen even made a damn all star team Pippen was a great defender. Not as good as Rodman. But great. Rodman u could put on a center for a lil bit. Pippen couldnt guard a good center. NBA loves saying some new guy can guard all 5 spots but no1 truly ever has. Rodman the cloest..... maybe artest
@MEECH !! Rodman won D player of the year TWICE. Pippen never did. Pippen never guarded center. Rodman was put on Hakeem AND shaq. Rodman SHUT SHAQ DOWN in a half including OT. Where shaq didnt score again after midway through the 3rd
Well he didn’t say he was better than Jordan...He stated that in his eyes he was more skilled...Everyone knows Jordan is the G.O.A.T that’s undeniable but at the same time there are people that talk about Jordan as if it was only him on the court vs the other team I’m not that type of Jordan fan I give everyone on those teams their credit..We can’t come from a place of would’ve, could’ve, should’ve, but one thing that is a fact is Jordan didn’t win one until Pippen got there
Jordan was more skilled and talented than pippen. That man shot welllll over 50% from the field. Won MVP and defensive player of the year the same year. The only none big to do it in NBA history. 10 scoring titles, all NBA first team multiple years.
Pollen is more SKILLED. That’s not a knock on Jordanor saying he is better than Jordan. Jordan is a better scorer. There’s a difference between a shooter and a scorer.
Pippen was a machine. MJ was the destroyer Pippen was the work horse. As far as skill set n being able to guard, handle the ball, point forward, defend. There is nobody in the NBA when u consider offense n defense and totality of the entire game facets. Nobody even comes close to Pippen. MJ was OK defensively, since his energy was so concentrated on scoring.. J. Salley is spot on....
Pippen was a better 3 point shooter, on the ball defender, off the ball defender, and shot creator than Jordan. Pippen could defend anyone at any position. Anyone who doesn't understand what Salley is saying does not fully understand what the definition of a skilled player is.
John Salley is one of those guests who borders greatness in his arena but isn't quite in the pantheon who's just the perfect interview guest. Humble, played toe-to-toe with the best of em, has the best stories, respected by the greats so he has access other's don't. Salley is a legendary interviewee. If you're reading this JS, I've got your autographed card and I'm never ever selling it.
@@sholovesholove4620 thank you sir. I have been telling the young boys that for 20 years. Without the doctor there is no NBA for MJ. they look at me like I'm crazy and they dont know who Dr. J much less ever see him play. Yet they want to enter grown man conversation about basketball.
@@josephmcdonald9933 Funny part is micheal Jordan said he emulated Dr. Js game.... aaaand dumb ass "fans" still say "no he didnt't". Just line in a few years, dumb ass fans are going to say "kobe didnt't copy Micheal Jordan"! 🤦♂️
@TheRealist 811 I 💯% agree! Each generation contributes something that the next generation uses. But only a small amount of players actually take what the previous generation did, and go to the next level. Oscar Robertson is always left out of these conversations. But his work in the union, changed how players got paid. Dr. J initiated basketballs popularity. Magic/bird created parity, which creates interest. Mike took that, along with amazing marketing from the league, and made the league global and also showed the power the players INDIVIDUALLY have. Then lebron took that and spread that knowledge and power to the players in the league. Along with showing them how to create platforms through social media, and becoming "bosses", not just players. But i believe Dr.J was so influential because he showed the NBA AND players, how to handle the extreme spotlight, and still remain professional and grounded. That was the face the NBA needed. So that created a Mike Jordan who knew how to navigate the spotlight. Then Lebron saw that, listened and followed the cues, and begin doing that in high school. And if you ever saw lebron in his early years (in high school), he sounded like a professional even then. But like i mentioned before, there's only a small few who understand how to navigate and capitalize inn that environment. That's why i hate ignorant fools who only pay attention to media narratives, and act like everything started with Jordan. It does bother me. But i realize 85% of people are sheep. And only know what the Shepard's tell them are important
MJ made Scottie Pippen and the rest of the Bulls in practice. His practice runs are legend. But, they both needed each other to win. No such thing as a one man team but Jordan was pretty close at doing that.
Yo.. RUclips Scottie Pippen "Made man". Had Pippen gone to another team..he would have been a top 5 player in the league once he matured. Practice my ass. Jordan was CHOSEN to be marketed as the face of the sport. The league chooses a face of the sport based on what they think would be most entertaining to most people.
The most interesting thing said is at 4:27. He pauses to think about it, then says: They "Rode the Goat" together. Is he saying they both participated in a Masonic Ritual together? He even elaborates by saying they know the same morals, the same jewels, same 20 pearls. Interesting...
Great points by Salley. He makes sense, I would add the difference is in the light of quality versus quantity. I interpret Salley as saying that Pippen had a greater range of skills, the ability to guard positions 1 thru 5, play the point, facilitate the offense and still score 20 plus. So with that perceptive we can also say Jordan's depth of skills were greater than Pippen. Jordan's offensive skills and overall Offensive Bag to score and deter the opponents defense can be posed as greater than Pippen. Pippen might be more skilled in overall abilities on the basketball court but Jordan's mastery of the same skills look to be more defined or developed.
Imma huge Jordan fan and i usta make this argument too but to be fair scottie was a bytch until jordan showed him how to be a man. Ps daving robison is a top 10 center 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Fast Kash but he’s not more skilled either. The only thing you can debate is Pippen was a better defender. But I’m still picking MJ in that too. Scottie was a good player and all time great defender but clowns like John Salley try to boost him up to diminish MJ.
Vidal Hodges how Scottie doesn’t have the offensive arsenal like mj does the only this thing Scottie have over mj is being a longer defender lol wtf ppl are delusional
I didn't see Oscar Robinson play but I can say that Scottie Pippen is the best all around player in NBA history. Its just my opinion but my opinion is a fact.
I think sally is coming from a players perspective. I remember when mj and pippin were older players, and younger players were entering the league. The sports media would point out that pippin was most often quoted as the player most other players wanted to play like. It has to do with all the things he did so well. Mj was great at everything, but his focus was on scoring, getting his teammates to play well, creating turnovers, taking over games when needed, and winning championships. Mj could do most of what pippin did and do it at another level, but he had a different role. Both a clearly great players. But, as much as I love pippin, no way was he more skilled than mj. Mj just had a different role.
Sally is crazy. What set MJ apart from everyone else, including Pip, was how fundamentally flawless his game was. That was the base of his game, that Dean Smith school of basketball. The footwork, no wasted movement, ball fakes, head fakes, using screens, slipping screens, etc. Then, add in his work ethic...and mental toughness...AND athletic ability as a cherry on top. That’s why he’s the greatest.
He always says he’s the greatest. But Pippen figured all that out plus the three ball and predictive passing at a random DII school and came into the league demanding he play how he wants and no other way. Pip just getting his credit.
@@simeonwashington4991 pippen was a great player. Champion. Top 50 team. Hall of Famer etc etc. Jordan himself has repeatedly gave pip his props. What more credit does he want? Because, respectfully, he ain’t Jordan. And that’s no knock on him at all.
Pip is my favorite player and the fact that MJ has zero rings without him gets lost on a lot of people. Pippin came closer to an NBA finals without Jordan than vice versa.
The funniest part is he says go to RUclips. Bruh, I seen almost every bulls televised game & i can go back & watch RUclips. 2 different levels of players. Scottie was good but not even close to MJ level offensively. Defense he was close because he guarded MJ in practice
Your logic is so inconsistent...you try to give Jordan credit for Scottie's defensive skill by saying he had to play against Jordan in practice but wouldnt that be the same for Scotties offensive skills that he had to play against Jordan in practice?
BLKSHUZ LIVE no sir MJ won defensive player of the year before Scottie. Nothing inconsistent in my points. It took Scottie 3-4 years to develop into a top 10-20 player in the league. How do I know? I watched the games
@@drizzejohnson5767 I'm actually not upset about anything...in fact, I happen to agree with your last point...the problem is, it has nothing to do with our previous exchange...thus, the reason I question your comprehension and the ability to have an objective and reasoned discussion...
The there only a few players that can be considered The GOAT if you are knowledgeable, objective, and a true fan of the Game of Basketball. The GOATs: Bill Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Big O, Dr. J, Magic, MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Bird, Jerry West, Kobe, Elgin Baylor, Tim Duncan. If you are not a hater, and can effectively say why the player is not The GOAT, without putting down one player to uplift the other, then do so. Otherwise you will not have problem with any player, I listed here that all have a claim to the name "GOAT". The Key is they are the GOAT for different reasons then others there stats, impact on the game, accolades prove that. *Debates should be based on facts, stats, and context. but I know that subjectivity plays it part in these debates. But it should be very small part. 1 loss, missed shot, or bad performance doesn't define a legacy or greatness. WATCH THIS VIDEO: ruclips.net/video/46RutBTe-as/видео.html Explains it all. MJ is not the GOAT to many Legends, former players, especially his contemporaries. It's not hate it's analyst of the game based on there experience, accomplishments, and influence on the game.
And also remember this before Rodman and Sally played with Jordan they played against Jordan on the bad boy Pistons the bad boy Pistons beat the Bulls two years in a row until 91
People let fandom blind them. When he first said it, I agreed. Pippen's basketball IQ is supreme above all. The only one close to have Pippen's basketball IQ is Kobe Bryant. That's it!
I grew up a BAD BOYS fan in the 80's 90's. I hated Jordon all those years but now that I'm older I realized I was just hating on him I realized I was one of the lucky ones that was able to see him play in person at the Palace. So yes Chicago growing up a pistons fan now I realize just who is the GOAT.
Jordan was the Goat, but Pip was the most versatile player in rhe league during that era. Ive seen him bring the ball upcourt like a PG, and play every postion with a smooth transition. Sally is right. Pip was was one of the best defenders on the court and created mismatches because of his height and wingspan, while still retaining his speed
John Salley is completely wilding with this one... handles, passing, shooting(Michael is superior). Scottie could guard alot of different guys but that doesn't remotely make him nearly as skilled as MJ lol. I think his size made certain things come easier to him but as far as being skilled hes not even close.
That would mean he is more skilled in defense. Skill does not mean overall better. He is just more equipped to fill other rolls. Jordan is a isolation scorer and a defender.
@@barkleysmall2363 I never said he could not, but that is not his game . he is not a distributor. Remember skill does not mean better. Skill is you are equipped to play more rolls on a team and still Win. The bulls not winning a championship if Jordan was out there being a distributor.
@@purplehayes3965 Let's not forget Scottie played in Houston and Portland and didn't do squat.I also like how yall conveniently glossover MJ 9 1st team defense awards...
@@LOUDPACG talk about gloss over. . no mention of Pippen herniated disk he had surgery for after the last final. . in which he played on a bad back. .(context) everyone knew he was done (like bird) he just secured the bag and still took kobe 7 old af. . Ps. Why mj get brought up. . must be an mj nuthugger.. . im always hearing Pippen usually guarded the best player 👂 8 guarding the best 🤔 9 1st team selections guarding 2nd best ron harper😒 no john starks. No chris mulllin. . Oops i meant jeff honacek. . oops i meant thunder dan. Smdh
@@purplehayes3965 Did Jordan always guard the best player? Specifically,Jordan guarded the better perimeter player during 13 playoff series, while Pippen guarded the better perimeter player 11 times. Out of the 24 playoff series, both Jordan and Pippen guarded an All-Star perimeter players 6 times each.Apr 27, 2020 Well damn do I need to debunk anymore myths for you...
I respect that about Scottie Pippen.. and where he fell short of was realizing he needed a wing man like MJ needed you to play along side him and his mentality to ACTUALLY LEAD. Because that is where if Pippen succeeded at.. he would have won Championships before MJ returned and probably would have had more than MJ. It would have been the most illest and controversial topic and Pippen might have been in the same sentence as Lebron James as far as Impact and leadership.. obviously the point spread would have been different. Now this is all valid if Pippen's game was such that he can lead a team but he couldn't do that and that was his flaw that flatten the attention on his ability like plenty of other athletes before him and after him.. They needed a dude like MJ to lead and take away that pressure to allow them and their game to flourish. People do not know how people play with each other and against each other and how one meshes with another and I can see that today. A couple of decades ago, it would have been difficult.
Where's the lie? In their first NBA Final, Phil Jackson told Scottie Pippen to guard Magic Johnson because Jordan could NOT slow Magic down. Y'ALL Jordan stans are so in LOVE with Jordan that y'all think that the "man"( and he is a man) had no flaws. And it's just NOT true. Most of y'all stans AREN'T even old enough to have seen MJ play. MJ was NOT PERFECT! DON'T @ me.... HAHA
I'm from chi Sally ain't lying if you know ball Pippen was a problem never got credit Jordan won one playoff series without Pippen guard every position know one could match up with Pippen he played point guard and took four step from end to end and took off
Jordan in his absolute prime was averaging 32 8 and 8 lead the league in steals and scoring and was defensive player of the year, at the same time, no one else have ever done that,think about that, let that marinate 🐐🐐🐐🐐
Jordan was way more athletic than scottie and he had a way better post/mid range game and lets not forget about the clutch gene. Other than that they were very similar. Scottie was a better 3 point shooter tho
I can't agree with John, but I have heard other players say the same thing, Chris Webber echoed the same thing, and Jalen Rose said that Kobe was more skilled than ANY player EVER.
Mostly his peers say that. Sharp on offensive and defense. Can play any position besides Center. He jus' wasn't crafty and didn't have the killer instincts like Mike.
I am not an avid sports watcher. But is John saying that perhaps. Pippin is the natural and Jordan was a star. Pippin probably made the team in Grammer school on his 1st try. Jordan didn't.
Jordan taught and helped develop Scotties Skills, and whenever they played against each other, Jordan always gave Scottie the business. But yes Scottie became incredibly skilled as a result and that helped Jordan. But to say that he was more skilled than Jordan. Only someone who hates on Jordan or has no idea would say such stupid crap....good thing he owns up to the fact that it's because he's still a diehard badboy piston, and that's the real reason he says this crap. Because he is being like many Jordan haters, always in denial and always in refusal. Any way possible. I used to know a guy that was a diehard Sonics and Kemp fan. And he would swear to his death bed that Kemp was more skilled and talented than Jordan. God bless his soul. Some people just diehard fans of one guy no matter what.
Salley is complicating things. All he needed to say is that Pippen is more diversified in his basketball skills than anyone, Jordan included. However, defending is the only skill that Pippen was clearly the best at, and Jordan was close enough to Pippen in that category.
Tree Dillinger AI is my FAVORITE player but we need to define skilled now. All of those characteristics you named are aspects of skills (minus height).
r0mediddy that’s a fair point. Dunking, for example, is a basketball skill and being able to dunk over people makes other aspects of the game easier. But I’m talking about the fundamentals of the game. I know it’s weird to talk about AI and fundamentals, since he was a flashy player...but you can’t play like that without mastery of the fundamentals. To me the most skilled players were AI and Kobe. Ball handling, passing, shooting, footwork, court vision; the whole package. They could do everything and had no limitations or weaknesses...besides height. I guarantee you AI had better footwork in the post than Shaq, but at 5’10 he’d get pushed around and blocked every time. AI’s only limitation was his size, which he could also use to his advantage at times. MJ, on the other hand, had to develop many of his skills as his career went on (credit to him for improving, I’m not criticizing). Shooting and ball handling did not come as naturally to him. Earlier in his career he had to overcome those weaknesses- which he could do because his strengths were so great. So for example you might see a highlight where he dunks on 3 people or switches hands mid air etc. but if you look closely he could’ve had an open 15 foot jumper that he passed on. Or you’ll see a highlight where he fumbles the ball, recovers it and because of his explosive first step he blows by the defender. Almost losing the ball almost works as a fake. But AI and Kobe had no limitations. Even Magic Johnson had an ugly outside shot that he’d prefer to avoid. I know that’s a lot of words so I’ll use a hypothetical to make my point. Imagine AI and MJ switch bodies. MJ becomes 5’10 and AI becomes 6’6. What happens? I think 6’6 AI becomes the OBVIOUS goat while 5’10 MJ doesn’t even make the league. Look up MJ’s brother Larry if you don’t believe that. The guy was about a foot shorter than MJ and could do pretty much all of his dunks! (After all they were HIS dunks that MJ copied). As incredible as that is the guy didn’t come close to making the league.
CT Sneakfreak scottie damn near got to the finals without jordan and the team record was still great when jordan first left so scottie need way more credit
CT Sneakfreak lies. Pip better shot blocker, offensive rebounder, defensive rebounder, passer, and better at post defense, and team defender. What of pippen shot the ball as much as Jordan shooting at 48- 50% of the field?
@Brian G No he didn't. If Pippen didn't hit that 3 pointer with a minute remaining in the deciding game against Cleveland that year then Jordan would've had another first round exit. And what happened in the 89 ecfs? With the chance to win the series tiebreaker Jordan scores only 18 points in Game 5 including only 1 point in the 4th quarter and throws that game away. Then in Game 6 the Bulls lose Scottie to injury and how does Jordan do? Chokes at the free throw line all night and commits 8 turnovers to throw the series away. Bottom line: Jordan could never have a winning record or win a playoff round without Scottie on the floor, ever. Even in the 89 regular season the Bulls had a losing record in the games Scottie didn't play.
I just find it strange that all bad boys Pistons players refuse to call Jordan the 🐐
Hell yeah good point
Same reason they all walked off the court without shaking hands after getting swept. These guys act like it was the bulls knocking them out the playoffs year after year after year.
Rodman does. And Salley has in the past,but now he’s changed his stance on that.
Rodman is pretty much the only exception. But Salley was never high on Jordan. Him, Laimbert and ESPECIALLY Isaiah Thomas hated Jordan. Its deeper than Basketball with Isiah tho. Lmao
They're not supposed to
I'm from the Westside of Chicago, I'm 38 and I saw the Bulls play live at the Old Chicago Stadium and the UC. Pippen is arguably the most skilled player of all-time. From 1990 to 1998 he was the best two-way player at his position. He was the most defensively dominating SF that ever played the game and when he retired and it wasn't even close. He revolutionized his position and was the prototype for the modern point-forward. T-Mac, KD, Kawhi, LeBron, Grant Hill, Paul George, etc. That's Scottie. Now let's look at those players. The only one who can defend like Scottie is Kawhi but Kahwi can't handle the ball and make plays like Pippen. LeBron can make plays and handle the ball like Scottie but he still was never the defender Pippen was. I don't think people understand how dominant it is to average 20 points, 6 boards and 6 dimes with a two steals and block. Pippen during his era was the only SF to ever lead the NBA with steals. Some years he was damn near averaging 3 steals a game!!! Kahwi is the best defender in today's game but he could defend quite like Scottie. The only other players to be able to defend like Pippen were his teammates: Rodman and Jordan. Add the fact Pippen could get you 6 or 7 dimes a game, 8 boards and 20+ points and we are talking about a player who besides Jordan and Hakeem was the best two-way player in the NBA from 1989 until 1999. Jordan never won without Pippen and vice versa so let's stop reducing Scottie to just being Robin like he was a sidekick and just along for Jordan's ride. It's super disrespectful and Pippen is just a country boy from Arkansas so he's super duper humble but Scottie Pippen not only was #2 behind MJ but during those Championship runs he arguably was the secondd best player in the NBA after MJ because he was dominant and had a style conducive to winning. Scottie Pippen has an all-star MVP and 6 rings!!!!! Salley is not blowing smoke. Now personally I think in terms of overall skills on both ends and being able to play and defend multiple positions and put makrs in the most check mark's in a box score Pippen definitely could do it all in terms of intangibles conducive to winning. In today's game he would totally have a similar impact to a guy who reminds me of him which is Giannis who is obviously bigger but of similar build and playing style.
He was a good role player that played his role but he never had that leader gene in him.
Bro this a whole fuckin scouting report
@@judahmourneth3211 How do you know this? He lead a Rodman and Jordan-less Bulls to the ECF's and spent him early and prime years winning. How in the hell can you not be a leader and basketball is a team game and you are winning championships. Jordan was a role player as well. His role was to be closer. Texas Winters role was to orchestrate the Triangle Offense, Rodman's role was to rebound, Kerr or Paxson's role was to make the open three, BJ Armstrong's role was to set up the offense, etc. Pippen's role was to do everything neccessary to win.
@@stephenstevens4717 And you made a whole fucking comment! Lolol
@Ron Davis My mom's grew up on 16th and Kostner, the danger zone, stay dangerous out here famo! Lol
Who remember when Salley played for the Knicks? R.I.P. Stacy Patton
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Jordan is the GOAT. But I hate how most people try to look over the fact he had one of the best supporting cast in nba history. Pippen, Rodman, Harper, Kerr, Longley. Kukoc,etc. That's a couple HOF players. Give them their credit also
That's not entirely true. They were good at their roles but to name Longley and Kerr as a great supporting cast is a bit of a stretch. Rodman and Harpers best years were pre-Bulls so to say that he had Hall of Famers is kinda disingenuous. That's like saying LeBron had Shaq, D-Rose, Rashard Lewis, Lance Stephenson, Javele McGee etc. None of those guys were in their prime. Jordan had a good supporting cast within a system that allowed players to do their job. So you're right, def give them credit but drop the "of all time". Let's not hyperbolize their worth.
John Salley is like the Arsenio Hall amongst his peers. Accomplished but under appreciated
I feel like Melo is this generation's Salley.
OG's have told me that Dr.J was Jordan before Jordan. When Dr. J got to the NBA he was a lil bit past his prime.
Facts...Dr. J tore shit up in the A.B.A.
The league was dying b4 Dr. J got 2 the NBA. He’s the birth of the modern day player that plays above the rim. Still the most graceful player 2 ever play in the league including Jordan.
Drj is better
@@arizonaFIREent according to what?
King Jerel meaning air dunks. That's it. Dr j didn't have nuthin else Jordan had.
What did he do ? Changed his outfit and stared filming again? Wasn’t he just here
Lmao Yooooooo
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I wouldve said his fundamentals were more on point, and a more all around player, but MJ is still more skilled Imo,
comparing pippen to Lebron, that's more interesting
I think they were both good on fundamentals. I think Jordan was slightly more athletic than Pippen, which helped him shine, especially in clutch situations.
Jordan was able to pull off amazing acrobatic, trick shots that Pippen simply would not attempt.
Jordan was more of an entertainer than Pippen was. Jordan not only wanted to win, he wanted to look good doing it. I don't think Pippen cared much HOW they got the win, as long as they got it.
Niles Stevenson if Pippen is more fundamentally on point and a more all around player. How is Jordan more skill than Pippen ? Scottie played the 1,2,3 and some occasion the 4 spot offensively and defensively could Jordan do that. So how is Jordan more skill than Pippen?
Lebron way better than pippen!!
Darrell & Veronica Ball Jordan played the 1, 2, and 3 also. Are u forgetting the 1988-1989 season where MJ averaged 32, 8, and 8? He played PG at the end of the season and averaged a triple double from his time at PG. Also he is more skilled than Pippen
Or comparing Scottie to Kawhai Leonard even is also possible.
John Salley is right though. He basically said " Jordan was the Second Coming " but he just couldn't view him that way. And Pippen was a more versatile player. That doesn't mean that Pippen is better than Jordan. It just meant that Pippen was the X-factor because he could do it all. Pippen is an underrated player. Everyone that played in that era knows what type of player he was and he gets nothing but Praise for it. Salley never discredited Jordan's greatness.
I agree with John S. about Scottie and John strikes me as very thoughtful and intelligent. You can find players that in a certain aspect/part of basketball are better than Scottie but in terms of the overall package when you factor in all of the different skill sets, he is just the one that has it all. Scottie cannot be #1 in any single category because his game requires him to be doing everything at all times for the team. This is why it has taken 30 years or so to completely start appreciating what he brought to the NBA but it is finally happening.
Just because he said Scottie is more skilled doesn’t mean he thinks Scottie was a better player
I agree, maybe jordan got few skill than pippen but jordan with the power and jump ability make him unstopable
What makes a player good is their skill lol you shiddn me?
Matt Matt the combination of skill and talent is what makes a player good. Melo has always been a more skilled scorer than Bron but Bron has always been the better player
Carl Coleman Jr I am a huge Melo fan but he is washed up now he got worse with time Lebron got better with time
More "skilled"? Yeah it's possible. Tim Duncan was also extremely "skilled." Skilled can be defined as learning and refining fundamentals in the gym. More talented? A better player? Oh hell no.
Key Words: "When they were doubling Jordan"
it's his opinion, you have to realize that this man played against MJ, and won and played with MJ and won, I think he knows what he's talking about
@@mauricewatson123 Obviously I respect Salley for playing or riding the bench BUT my point is no way Pippen is more skilled on offense than Jordan and Pippen never won a DPOY on defense. So Salley makes sense w personal opinion but with facts he makes none.
Exactly example ppl would say Steph is a better point guard then Kyrie but Kyrie is more skilled. Steph is just a better shooter and playmaker
@@mauricewatson123 Pippen is a legend, but Jordan was an effective leader too and carried the team too
I peeped that too. Once he said this it was basically, the end. Double and even triple teams on Michael Jordan made it easier on all the Bulls players and even made them more versatile.
Thank you John Salley for saying the truth
Glad to see that Scottie Pippen is *finally* getting the respect he deserves. Only took 30 years; bettbetter late than never, I guess.
Larissa might have some contrarian views, lol
@Brian G I grew up in the Chicago area during the championship years and saw them play. Scottie was definitely a more skilled all-around baller than MJ. He could control one game by scoring, the next game on passing, and the next game after that on defense without scoring a single point. MJ could never do that, it's just not his game. Scottie can also guard more sizes, was a better ball handler, was a better interior defender, and was the one who directed the triangle offense. Salley knows what he's talking about.
Damn no Jalen Rose flashback??? Wow!
That was the only reason I came here.
ralph laurens mascot but then alot of ppl in the comments would say vlad be instigating when he do shit like that. Puting a black man against another black man
Drug test this man.
He’s right if you think about it. Skill wise he had no weakness an can play any position besides center. 6’9 and bring the ball down as the point. Pretty much run the offense on the court.
Nothing to think about if you've played attention and didn't buy into the Jordan mystique. Pippen was SOLID in 4 of the 5 positions. More importantly, the Bulls improved dramatically once they acquired Pippen.
Da Wolf Scottie didn't play the PF position lol. Him and MJ played the same amount of positions
Warren Dixon he's not right cause MJ had no weaknesses either and was better than Scottie at pretty much everything, except rebounding. Defense and passing is arguable
@@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t I didn't say he played. I said he was solid. Chief Big Triangle could've slid him in there, and he be decent.
@lance Kelley 🙄 Buying into the Jordan mystique. Probably couldn't name any Bulls from before without Google
I taught pippen everything he knows-TK Kirkland
Naw bruh we all know TK taught Jordan everything he knows
Sally is 100% right...MJ is without question the GOAT, but Pippen was the most skilled and versatile player of his time...The OGs including Jordan KNOW this!!!
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Salley making things up again
In those bad boy specials on the pistons they ALL said all u had to do was focus on mj. They had nobody else. Look at the 30 for 30 on them where lambier says it
Kenny smith literally said that u nobody double teamed scottie pippen. Also chuck person was shooting 3s from the forward spot at only an inch shorter than pippen. Way b4 pippen even made a damn all star team
Pippen was a great defender. Not as good as Rodman. But great. Rodman u could put on a center for a lil bit. Pippen couldnt guard a good center.
NBA loves saying some new guy can guard all 5 spots but no1 truly ever has. Rodman the cloest..... maybe artest
@MEECH !! Rodman won D player of the year TWICE. Pippen never did.
Pippen never guarded center. Rodman was put on Hakeem AND shaq. Rodman SHUT SHAQ DOWN in a half including OT. Where shaq didnt score again after midway through the 3rd
Well he didn’t say he was better than Jordan...He stated that in his eyes he was more skilled...Everyone knows Jordan is the G.O.A.T that’s undeniable but at the same time there are people that talk about Jordan as if it was only him on the court vs the other team I’m not that type of Jordan fan I give everyone on those teams their credit..We can’t come from a place of would’ve, could’ve, should’ve, but one thing that is a fact is Jordan didn’t win one until Pippen got there
MEECH !! Nope
Lot of older dudes who were adults watching say what John said. All around game technically makes Pippen better...but we would all want Jordan
Isaiah Thomas laughed at the idea that pippen didn't want him on the dream team...he said Jordan can say that but Scottie pippen couldn't...lol
Veryyyyyyy accurate assessment of Pippens game. And this narrative should be promoted more. Salute to da God John Salley
Pip was so special
There’s a difference between skill and talent. All around game! Sally is 100% right. #FreeGame
Sho Nuff LOL No he's not
Jordan was more skilled and talented than pippen. That man shot welllll over 50% from the field. Won MVP and defensive player of the year the same year. The only none big to do it in NBA history. 10 scoring titles, all NBA first team multiple years.
Pollen is more SKILLED. That’s not a knock on Jordanor saying he is better than Jordan. Jordan is a better scorer. There’s a difference between a shooter and a scorer.
Pippen was a machine. MJ was the destroyer Pippen was the work horse. As far as skill set n being able to guard, handle the ball, point forward, defend.
There is nobody in the NBA when u consider offense n defense and totality of the entire game facets. Nobody even comes close to Pippen. MJ was OK defensively, since his energy was so concentrated on scoring..
J. Salley is spot on....
Pippen was a better 3 point shooter, on the ball defender, off the ball defender, and shot creator than Jordan. Pippen could defend anyone at any position. Anyone who doesn't understand what Salley is saying does not fully understand what the definition of a skilled player is.
John Salley is one of those guests who borders greatness in his arena but isn't quite in the pantheon who's just the perfect interview guest. Humble, played toe-to-toe with the best of em, has the best stories, respected by the greats so he has access other's don't. Salley is a legendary interviewee. If you're reading this JS, I've got your autographed card and I'm never ever selling it.
Without Dr. J there would be NO NBA for MJ to play in.
That's how you know people only know whaty the media feeds them
@@sholovesholove4620 thank you sir. I have been telling the young boys that for 20 years. Without the doctor there is no NBA for MJ. they look at me like I'm crazy and they dont know who Dr. J much less ever see him play. Yet they want to enter grown man conversation about basketball.
@@josephmcdonald9933 Funny part is micheal Jordan said he emulated Dr. Js game.... aaaand dumb ass "fans" still say "no he didnt't". Just line in a few years, dumb ass fans are going to say "kobe didnt't copy Micheal Jordan"! 🤦♂️
@TheRealist 811 I 💯% agree! Each generation contributes something that the next generation uses. But only a small amount of players actually take what the previous generation did, and go to the next level. Oscar Robertson is always left out of these conversations. But his work in the union, changed how players got paid. Dr. J initiated basketballs popularity. Magic/bird created parity, which creates interest. Mike took that, along with amazing marketing from the league, and made the league global and also showed the power the players INDIVIDUALLY have. Then lebron took that and spread that knowledge and power to the players in the league. Along with showing them how to create platforms through social media, and becoming "bosses", not just players. But i believe Dr.J was so influential because he showed the NBA AND players, how to handle the extreme spotlight, and still remain professional and grounded. That was the face the NBA needed. So that created a Mike Jordan who knew how to navigate the spotlight. Then Lebron saw that, listened and followed the cues, and begin doing that in high school. And if you ever saw lebron in his early years (in high school), he sounded like a professional even then. But like i mentioned before, there's only a small few who understand how to navigate and capitalize inn that environment. That's why i hate ignorant fools who only pay attention to media narratives, and act like everything started with Jordan. It does bother me. But i realize 85% of people are sheep. And only know what the Shepard's tell them are important
Much more than Dr. J...
MJ made Scottie Pippen and the rest of the Bulls in practice. His practice runs are legend. But, they both needed each other to win. No such thing as a one man team but Jordan was pretty close at doing that.
Yo.. RUclips Scottie Pippen "Made man". Had Pippen gone to another team..he would have been a top 5 player in the league once he matured. Practice my ass. Jordan was CHOSEN to be marketed as the face of the sport. The league chooses a face of the sport based on what they think would be most entertaining to most people.
Great interview, but please boost your audio
The most interesting thing said is at 4:27. He pauses to think about it, then says: They "Rode the Goat" together. Is he saying they both participated in a Masonic Ritual together? He even elaborates by saying they know the same morals, the same jewels, same 20 pearls. Interesting...
20 Pearls first black sorority.
He said “ We rode the goat together” only a certain few will catch that /G\
Wt?
Sound like some Freemason lingo. I’m not in the brotherhood but I was good friends and close to some members and I’m sure I’ve heard this term before.
I was a pippen fan ,he was the prototype point forward ,and led the bulls in what 4/5 stats after mike left .
The John Sally segments are the best
"In View of You" that's deep
Great points by Salley. He makes sense, I would add the difference is in the light of quality versus quantity. I interpret Salley as saying that Pippen had a greater range of skills, the ability to guard positions 1 thru 5, play the point, facilitate the offense and still score 20 plus. So with that perceptive we can also say Jordan's depth of skills were greater than Pippen. Jordan's offensive skills and overall Offensive Bag to score and deter the opponents defense can be posed as greater than Pippen. Pippen might be more skilled in overall abilities on the basketball court but Jordan's mastery of the same skills look to be more defined or developed.
John Salley is top 5 all time Vlad guest
He's right. Scotties a monster
Imma huge Jordan fan and i usta make this argument too but to be fair scottie was a bytch until jordan showed him how to be a man. Ps daving robison is a top 10 center 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Even Pippen doesn't think he is more skilled than Jordan.
Most skilled doesn't necessarily mean better player
Fast Kash but he’s not more skilled either. The only thing you can debate is Pippen was a better defender. But I’m still picking MJ in that too. Scottie was a good player and all time great defender but clowns like John Salley try to boost him up to diminish MJ.
@@savydayz5835 He's neither.
Exactly. Watch the pipen footlocker commercial
Vidal Hodges how Scottie doesn’t have the offensive arsenal like mj does the only this thing Scottie have over mj is being a longer defender lol wtf ppl are delusional
I live for John Salley interviews on VLAD.
Scottie is great and underrated!!!! Jordan is the goat
Respect ✊ to you John Sally for sticking to ya guns and point of view
I didn't see Oscar Robinson play but I can say that Scottie Pippen is the best all around player in NBA history. Its just my opinion but my opinion is a fact.
Grant Hill before the injuries was better
Vlad low-key be like God damn.. someone else calling me Vlod 🤣😏😪
(Sarcasm alert)*I remember reading the Pippen rules as a young man....
Kinda like his lone year without MJ where he got shut down.....oh wait
JORDAN WAS THE MAN BUT DAM DID I LUV Scottie
None of the Pistons will ever call Jordan the GOAT. They hated him.
Dont ever give up dont ever give up
This video has been up for 15 seconds and there's already a dislike. How? The video is 6 minutes long.
The title
I think sally is coming from a players perspective. I remember when mj and pippin were older players, and younger players were entering the league. The sports media would point out that pippin was most often quoted as the player most other players wanted to play like. It has to do with all the things he did so well. Mj was great at everything, but his focus was on scoring, getting his teammates to play well, creating turnovers, taking over games when needed, and winning championships. Mj could do most of what pippin did and do it at another level, but he had a different role. Both a clearly great players. But, as much as I love pippin, no way was he more skilled than mj. Mj just had a different role.
Sally is crazy. What set MJ apart from everyone else, including Pip, was how fundamentally flawless his game was. That was the base of his game, that Dean Smith school of basketball. The footwork, no wasted movement, ball fakes, head fakes, using screens, slipping screens, etc. Then, add in his work ethic...and mental toughness...AND athletic ability as a cherry on top. That’s why he’s the greatest.
He always says he’s the greatest. But Pippen figured all that out plus the three ball and predictive passing at a random DII school and came into the league demanding he play how he wants and no other way. Pip just getting his credit.
@@simeonwashington4991 pippen was a great player. Champion. Top 50 team. Hall of Famer etc etc. Jordan himself has repeatedly gave pip his props. What more credit does he want? Because, respectfully, he ain’t Jordan. And that’s no knock on him at all.
He must lace his blunts if he think pippen better than jordan
He didnt say he was better
He didn't say BETTER he said more SKILLED!!!
The best offensive player ends up getting the best defensive player of their era. MJ made Pip better and vice versa. The rest they say was history.
That boy said we rode the same Goat, damn if that aint some mason shit
Pip is my favorite player and the fact that MJ has zero rings without him gets lost on a lot of people.
Pippin came closer to an NBA finals without Jordan than vice versa.
Closer only counts in horseshoes...🤣😂
Scottie Pippen never gets his just due...... while he played and after he played. Salley is right.
John with that Omega talk!
The funniest part is he says go to RUclips. Bruh, I seen almost every bulls televised game & i can go back & watch RUclips. 2 different levels of players. Scottie was good but not even close to MJ level offensively. Defense he was close because he guarded MJ in practice
Your logic is so inconsistent...you try to give Jordan credit for Scottie's defensive skill by saying he had to play against Jordan in practice but wouldnt that be the same for Scotties offensive skills that he had to play against Jordan in practice?
BLKSHUZ LIVE no sir MJ won defensive player of the year before Scottie. Nothing inconsistent in my points. It took Scottie 3-4 years to develop into a top 10-20 player in the league. How do I know? I watched the games
@@drizzejohnson5767 your comprehension is terrible...that has nothing to do with the inconsistency that I pointed out on your part
BLKSHUZ LIVE I would say that’s your comprehension of my points. Your upset that this ain’t the truth so you’re looking for criticism
@@drizzejohnson5767 I'm actually not upset about anything...in fact, I happen to agree with your last point...the problem is, it has nothing to do with our previous exchange...thus, the reason I question your comprehension and the ability to have an objective and reasoned discussion...
He said a lot that went over a lot of heads!
Agreed.
Jordan got to rest on d. Pippen sacrificed energy on D and let his stats drop for MJ's ego and legacy building.
Can’t get enough of John on this show. Respect. His daughter should be s regular too
The there only a few players that can be considered The GOAT if you are knowledgeable, objective, and a true fan of the Game of Basketball.
The GOATs:
Bill Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Big O, Dr. J, Magic, MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Bird, Jerry West, Kobe, Elgin Baylor, Tim Duncan.
If you are not a hater, and can effectively say why the player is not The GOAT, without putting down one player to uplift the other, then do so. Otherwise you will not have problem with any player, I listed here that all have a claim to the name "GOAT".
The Key is they are the GOAT for different reasons then others there stats, impact on the game, accolades prove that.
*Debates should be based on facts, stats, and context. but I know that subjectivity plays it part in these debates. But it should be very small part.
1 loss, missed shot, or bad performance doesn't define a legacy or greatness.
WATCH THIS VIDEO:
ruclips.net/video/46RutBTe-as/видео.html
Explains it all.
MJ is not the GOAT to many Legends, former players, especially his contemporaries. It's not hate it's analyst of the game based on there experience, accomplishments, and influence on the game.
Damn, John Salley coming for Lord Jamar's spot as Vlad's #1 guest
time for a change
And with a new NBA season comin'.. Look out!!
And also remember this before Rodman and Sally played with Jordan they played against Jordan on the bad boy Pistons the bad boy Pistons beat the Bulls two years in a row until 91
John Salley being John Salley
New set looks much better
Scottie is NOT more skilled than MJ. Scottie is a poor man’s MJ.
People let fandom blind them. When he first said it, I agreed. Pippen's basketball IQ is supreme above all. The only one close to have Pippen's basketball IQ is Kobe Bryant. That's it!
I grew up a BAD BOYS fan in the 80's 90's. I hated Jordon all those years but now that I'm older I realized I was just hating on him I realized I was one of the lucky ones that was able to see him play in person at the Palace. So yes Chicago growing up a pistons fan now I realize just who is the GOAT.
Vlad, you have to make Salley a regular.
Vlad thought the Uber driver was about to be a fan of the show....nope 😂
Jordan was the Goat, but Pip was the most versatile player in rhe league during that era. Ive seen him bring the ball upcourt like a PG, and play every postion with a smooth transition. Sally is right. Pip was was one of the best defenders on the court and created mismatches because of his height and wingspan, while still retaining his speed
John Salley is completely wilding with this one... handles, passing, shooting(Michael is superior). Scottie could guard alot of different guys but that doesn't remotely make him nearly as skilled as MJ lol. I think his size made certain things come easier to him but as far as being skilled hes not even close.
That would mean he is more skilled in defense. Skill does not mean overall better. He is just more equipped to fill other rolls. Jordan is a isolation scorer and a defender.
t1factor Michael Jordan does everything on the court u chatting...u act like Jordan couldn’t pass or rebound
@@barkleysmall2363 I never said he could not, but that is not his game . he is not a distributor. Remember skill does not mean better. Skill is you are equipped to play more rolls on a team and still Win. The bulls not winning a championship if Jordan was out there being a distributor.
I swear this validates me saying Pippen over Kobe anyday!
😂😂😂 pippen wouldn't have won with Gasol and Lamar Odom.
@@LOUDPACG but was a call away from the ecf with kukoc and horace 🤔 stfd. . and stop leaving out Ron Artest 😠
@@purplehayes3965 Let's not forget Scottie played in Houston and Portland and didn't do squat.I also like how yall conveniently glossover MJ 9 1st team defense awards...
@@LOUDPACG talk about gloss over. . no mention of Pippen herniated disk he had surgery for after the last final. . in which he played on a bad back. .(context) everyone knew he was done (like bird) he just secured the bag and still took kobe 7 old af. .
Ps. Why mj get brought up. . must be an mj nuthugger.. . im always hearing Pippen usually guarded the best player 👂 8 guarding the best 🤔 9 1st team selections guarding 2nd best ron harper😒 no john starks. No chris mulllin. . Oops i meant jeff honacek. . oops i meant thunder dan. Smdh
@@purplehayes3965 Did Jordan always guard the best player?
Specifically,Jordan guarded the better perimeter player during 13 playoff series, while Pippen guarded the better perimeter player 11 times. Out of the 24 playoff series, both Jordan and Pippen guarded an All-Star perimeter players 6 times each.Apr 27, 2020
Well damn do I need to debunk anymore myths for you...
I think I’m going to take the word of the guy that actually played at the highest level against and with them. He may know what he is talking about.
JS is one cool ass brother yo! Met him All-Star weekend at Club EGYPT in Philadelphia back in the day!
Yeeeee we need Uncle Salley on here errday lmao
Salley knows what was up. Pippen could play AND guard 1-5 with a huge basketball IQ which is fucking unheard of
Scottie is also my favorite to play with the greatest
I respect that about Scottie Pippen.. and where he fell short of was realizing he needed a wing man like MJ needed you to play along side him and his mentality to ACTUALLY LEAD. Because that is where if Pippen succeeded at.. he would have won Championships before MJ returned and probably would have had more than MJ. It would have been the most illest and controversial topic and Pippen might have been in the same sentence as Lebron James as far as Impact and leadership.. obviously the point spread would have been different.
Now this is all valid if Pippen's game was such that he can lead a team but he couldn't do that and that was his flaw that flatten the attention on his ability like plenty of other athletes before him and after him.. They needed a dude like MJ to lead and take away that pressure to allow them and their game to flourish. People do not know how people play with each other and against each other and how one meshes with another and I can see that today. A couple of decades ago, it would have been difficult.
"Keeping it real phony..." Award that man!
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Where's the lie? In their first NBA Final, Phil Jackson told Scottie Pippen to guard Magic Johnson because Jordan could NOT slow Magic down. Y'ALL Jordan stans are so in LOVE with Jordan that y'all think that the "man"( and he is a man) had no flaws. And it's just NOT true. Most of y'all stans AREN'T even old enough to have seen MJ play. MJ was NOT PERFECT! DON'T @ me.... HAHA
Go back and look at the Finals Mike checked Magic more than Pip then 🤷🏽♂️
I got you Vlad...I'm gonna wait this out for the whole video. I love John Salleys inteviews, .but I can't with these chopped videos lol
I'm from chi Sally ain't lying if you know ball Pippen was a problem never got credit Jordan won one playoff series without Pippen guard every position know one could match up with Pippen he played point guard and took four step from end to end and took off
I always liked Scottie better than Jordan. Jordan was better but Scottie was just more likable.
Aries said it best, "I can never trust what comes out of the mouth of a Piston" lol
Jordan in his absolute prime was averaging 32 8 and 8 lead the league in steals and scoring and was defensive player of the year, at the same time, no one else have ever done that,think about that, let that marinate 🐐🐐🐐🐐
Junior Williams Jordan in his prime averaged 35. He once averaged 37 in ‘87...
Pippen could do everything that Jordan could do. Mike was more aggressive tho which made him better
More skilled doesnt mean better player,.
Pippen didn’t have the “clutch gene”
Jordan was way more athletic than scottie and he had a way better post/mid range game and lets not forget about the clutch gene. Other than that they were very similar. Scottie was a better 3 point shooter tho
He’s speaking truth!!! Pip was that guy
I can't agree with John, but I have heard other players say the same thing, Chris Webber echoed the same thing, and Jalen Rose said that Kobe was more skilled than ANY player EVER.
Mostly his peers say that. Sharp on offensive and defense. Can play any position besides Center. He jus' wasn't crafty and didn't have the killer instincts like Mike.
Damn they rode the goat together!!! It all make sense now..
He said "Did I mention MICHAEL JORDAN!" and I scream "umm.. YEAH YOU DID"
Basically he saying Scottie pippen was Kevin Durant before KD🤔?
Quincy Mccoy he was lebron before lebron
I dont see it
Ernest Clark LeBron is definitely a combo of Pippen and Malone
In 95 /96 John salley warmed up Jordans seat and was handing out Gatorades and mopping the floor, after that he was putting in applications for subway
I am not an avid sports watcher. But is John saying that perhaps. Pippin is the natural and Jordan was a star. Pippin probably made the team in Grammer school on his 1st try. Jordan didn't.
Jordan taught and helped develop Scotties Skills, and whenever they played against each other, Jordan always gave Scottie the business. But yes Scottie became incredibly skilled as a result and that helped Jordan. But to say that he was more skilled than Jordan. Only someone who hates on Jordan or has no idea would say such stupid crap....good thing he owns up to the fact that it's because he's still a diehard badboy piston, and that's the real reason he says this crap. Because he is being like many Jordan haters, always in denial and always in refusal. Any way possible. I used to know a guy that was a diehard Sonics and Kemp fan. And he would swear to his death bed that Kemp was more skilled and talented than Jordan. God bless his soul. Some people just diehard fans of one guy no matter what.
Gave scottie the business in practice? Mike said they pushed each other in his interview with Ahmad Rashad so where did that come from?
Salley is complicating things. All he needed to say is that Pippen is more diversified in his basketball skills than anyone, Jordan included. However, defending is the only skill that Pippen was clearly the best at, and Jordan was close enough to Pippen in that category.
He called Pip a Native American black ✊🏽
Nobody is more skilled than Allen Iverson. They may be taller, stronger, faster, jump higher or just better overall, but not more skilled.
Tree Dillinger AI is my FAVORITE player but we need to define skilled now. All of those characteristics you named are aspects of skills (minus height).
r0mediddy that’s a fair point. Dunking, for example, is a basketball skill and being able to dunk over people makes other aspects of the game easier. But I’m talking about the fundamentals of the game. I know it’s weird to talk about AI and fundamentals, since he was a flashy player...but you can’t play like that without mastery of the fundamentals. To me the most skilled players were AI and Kobe. Ball handling, passing, shooting, footwork, court vision; the whole package. They could do everything and had no limitations or weaknesses...besides height. I guarantee you AI had better footwork in the post than Shaq, but at 5’10 he’d get pushed around and blocked every time.
AI’s only limitation was his size, which he could also use to his advantage at times. MJ, on the other hand, had to develop many of his skills as his career went on (credit to him for improving, I’m not criticizing). Shooting and ball handling did not come as naturally to him. Earlier in his career he had to overcome those weaknesses- which he could do because his strengths were so great. So for example you might see a highlight where he dunks on 3 people or switches hands mid air etc. but if you look closely he could’ve had an open 15 foot jumper that he passed on. Or you’ll see a highlight where he fumbles the ball, recovers it and because of his explosive first step he blows by the defender. Almost losing the ball almost works as a fake. But AI and Kobe had no limitations. Even Magic Johnson had an ugly outside shot that he’d prefer to avoid.
I know that’s a lot of words so I’ll use a hypothetical to make my point. Imagine AI and MJ switch bodies. MJ becomes 5’10 and AI becomes 6’6. What happens? I think 6’6 AI becomes the OBVIOUS goat while 5’10 MJ doesn’t even make the league. Look up MJ’s brother Larry if you don’t believe that. The guy was about a foot shorter than MJ and could do pretty much all of his dunks! (After all they were HIS dunks that MJ copied). As incredible as that is the guy didn’t come close to making the league.
Ai was garbage besides 2001
Tha Ruthless 1_ AZF you’re absolutely bugging. Let’s see: rookie of the year, 2x All-Star MVP, 7x All-NBA, 00-01 MVP (as you indirectly alluded to), 4x scoring champ, I think 3x stealing champ, etc etc. And HOF! Cut it out bro.
Im all for scottie pippen, but please give me a break mj was better at everything, scottie was just taller and longer
CT Sneakfreak scottie damn near got to the finals without jordan and the team record was still great when jordan first left so scottie need way more credit
CT Sneakfreak lies. Pip better shot blocker, offensive rebounder, defensive rebounder, passer, and better at post defense, and team defender. What of pippen shot the ball as much as Jordan shooting at 48- 50% of the field?
Pepper is the much better defender. And it’s not a slight against Jordan, who was probably the 2nd best perimeter defender during that time.
@Brian G No he didn't. If Pippen didn't hit that 3 pointer with a minute remaining in the deciding game against Cleveland that year then Jordan would've had another first round exit. And what happened in the 89 ecfs? With the chance to win the series tiebreaker Jordan scores only 18 points in Game 5 including only 1 point in the 4th quarter and throws that game away. Then in Game 6 the Bulls lose Scottie to injury and how does Jordan do? Chokes at the free throw line all night and commits 8 turnovers to throw the series away. Bottom line: Jordan could never have a winning record or win a playoff round without Scottie on the floor, ever. Even in the 89 regular season the Bulls had a losing record in the games Scottie didn't play.
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Only guys who ride goats would compare Michael Jordan to the second coming of the Almighty. He who has an ear.....
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@@jehovasinz research what it means when John Salley said the he and Michael Jordan "rode the goat together"