Yeah...it kinda makes sense that she would want a *guarantee* that they'll all be safe from Cersei. I dunno, man, if *I* was Arya I'd totally do the same thing she did (shrug)
Well, She was so eager to be part of a family again. When she was training, she maintained that identity; but when she learned that everything she knew was lie, that her father lied to her all her life, she reverted to build an identity of her own.
The scene where dani is watching Jon be praised by the men and she is just sitting there with no one praising her is the same scene her brother had when she was being praised over him before getting his gold crown. She is becoming her brother to a degree
I believe he sees that ghost has been very loyal but knows that he won't survive if he continues to be with them. He doesn't go to pet him because it's already obvious in his face that it's hard that he's setting him free. He knows if he goes to pet or hug ghost he'll change his mind. Him leaving him to be free beyond the wall free from walkers free from the chaos that he's been in is the best thing jon did for him.
@@deadhead8323 I agree. And after seeing how Dany got her other dragon killed, I'm glad Jon sent Ghost away. People and things are going to start dying very quickly around the Dragon Queen.
The show couldn't afford it, with the dragons & last week's episode. Showing a dire wolf in actual contact with a human is more expensive than a shot of it by itself.
She didn’t save Winterfell, she wasn’t doing the starks a favour - she was saving everyone including herself, if she didn’t help she would have died herself.
Seriously! The whole Sansa vs Dany thing made me roll my eyes.. I was hoping Missandei was going to lay into her abit more. Bitch lost half her army and a dragon trying to save those ungrateful fucks. She brought more to the table then Jon did..
The show treated Rhaegal and Viserion like trash. They were caged, starved while Drogon wander free. Then they missed most of the fun action that Dragon had with loot train. And killed off in very stupid ways. I was way more sad about Rhaegal dying than Missandei.
Dany killed her own damned dragon. there was no way in hell she shouldn't have been prepared for there to be a scorpion every damn foot on kings landing, the beach, on the boats at sea. and she took BOTH dragons in there - that was just dumb as fuck. dumb ass writing! DUMB.
@@samanthanickson6478 Th last scopin she encountered couldn't kill Drogon on hit. I think she may have underestimated their strength after that battle.
Danny followed the advice of her advisors all the time. If she went straight to Kingslanding and burned it like she wanted, she'd have all three of her dragons, the night's king wouldn't have gotten a dragon, the wall would still be up. She was going to marry Jon Snow anyway, he didn't have to tell anyone about his parentage if he really didn't want the throne, either way they could rule together, the drama happened because Danny trusted her advisors and she sacrificed huge swaths of her army in the long night episode and risked everything to save the north and next day just like that the north did not remember anything she had done. She weakened her forces for nothing, and they still don't like her or trust her to rule them. They were fine having her fight for them but when they were safe she meant nothing to them. This episode made me dislike and not trust the Starks. How do you turn on someone who fought to protect you and was ready to die with you. If she burns all of those ungrateful jerks it's out of justifiable rage not insanity. Dracarys!
The problem with Daenerys' story arc is that her core belief was to protect people and now she doesn't care. People change beliefs all the time, but core beliefs remain the same. BTW. Dany does listen to her advisors in most cases.
what? she was having a touch of god experience back when drogo was talking about going to westeros and crushing their stone houses and burning their towns
Core beliefs can and do change. Remember that she's a Targaryen born to a family known for incest and nutjobs, it's just been slowly coming out of her for the last few seasons and every time she get a taste of power it takes over her. That's one of the only character arcs that still make sense - started off noble, and corrupted by power.
@@Katyamuffin A core belief is just like your value system, they will never change. If you were abused as a child and develop the belief that kids should not be abused, you're not going to change that belief down the road and think it's ok to abuse kids. Dany cared for people because she was treated badly and that fueled her belief; she remembers what it was like for her. With that said, there are some circumstances where decisions have to be made that will contradict your core belief. Life would be easier if it was black and white but it's not and sometimes you have to take the lesser of two evils because there are no good choices. That's why we need to look at a person's complete track record of actions taken instead of defining them by singular events.
It's kind of funny how so much of the fandom is like, "I don't like how bad this is, lately" and it's like, really? You just NOW start to see the flaws in this series? It's been flawed for a while now.
Cersei wanted to push Dany’s buttons, that’s why she executed Missandei. That is what she does and she loves it. Cersei wanted to taste the victory of killing a loved one because she knows it will break one and another. Yeah, she could order the soldiers to take out the others but this was more personal. It was like when she visited Maergery Tyrell in prison just to see her furious and scream at her. She also could just excuted Ellaria Martell and her daughter but instead she let Ellaria root in prison while her daughter’s decays from being poisoned next to her. Breaking people mentally is one of Cersei’s weapons.
The death of the dragon made me upset and not in a good way like how the show used to, but in a way where I thought "that it is the stupidest thing ever are you serious?"
@RheyaRu!z So you're telling me that weapon specifically designed to kill dragons being able to kill a dragon is stupid? Is the definition of stupid changed recently?
@@PrettierNPastel I suggest you watch that scene again. Th Greyjoy strike force was hidden in waiting between two islets and wasn't visible until it was too late.
@@remliqa yeah the scene shows them firing then emerging from the islet so unless they can curve those scorpions that's not happening. Also those are big old boats not little canoes that had to enter the clearing in open view to even fire on Danny and her dragon with how
is it right to kill thoushands to avenge Misandei and dragons? No. But she is at war with Cersei. Who just killed her dragon and best friend. If there was a way to get Cersei without waging war on Kings Landing, what is that alternative way? It sounds like people saying its wrong for her to kill thousands of innocencts to simply avenge deaths are not acknowleding that in war, its sometimes necessary to kill thousands to achieve an objective. If there were a way to oust Cersei w/o sending her dragon to burn kings landing I'm sure Daneyrys would prefer it. But at every turn she's listened to her advisors telling her NOT to do those things. And every time she listens to them she loses more of her people. Because she is doing the right thing. She lost half her dothraki, half her unsullied, two dragons all to help the north, who have seemed decidedly ungrateful for her support. This ties back to Lady Ollenna telling her to be a dragon. She keeps getting counseled not to. But this is only making sure she doesn't make it to the throne. She needs to unleash her rage at a certain point, and it would be justfied. This would be like Israel getting attacked by Hamas who planted their weapons in with civilians, hoping that when Israel responds it will lead to civilian casualties. It probalby will. BUt is Israel suposed to stay its hand just because its enemy is ruthless enough to put its bombs amongst the local population. This is also like the allies bombing Hiroshima (or carpet bombing a city). at a certain point in war, to end the war you need to go all out. This will mean civilians die.But this is true for all wars and all leaders. Would it be better to wage a war where no one dies? Sure. But that's not how war works.
Greyworm and The Hound vs The Zombie Mountain ::Update:: Greyworm uses the spear too... I'm sure he's skilled and quick enough to methodically pick at The Mountain, but he'll need the big gun, that is The Hound, to actually do substantial damage
varys and tyrion are not right. Well in one sense they are. But you can't go about achieving a regime change by betraying the person you pledged loyalty to. Which was Daenrys. Even more so if the guy with the better claim doesn't even want to be king. Here's what might happen. Varys and Tyrion might betray Daneyrys to make Jon king. upon becoming king the first thing he will do is execute both of them. Because he can't have advisors who would betray the ruler they pledged loyalty to be on his staff advising him. If Varys decides that his rule isn't good for the realm would he perform a coup against him too? This also applies to Sansa. He had her SWEAR to not reveal the secret in front of the gods wood tree. He pledged loyalty to his queen. Despite the fact that he has a better claim (beucase he doesn't want to actually be king). he had also pledged loyalty before learing this truth. And he is all about maintaining his vows above all. Sansa though swore to him as his family member she would keep his secret. But instead she immediately turned it over to Varys and Tyrion who are now thinking about a coup. And in addition to not wanting to be king, and pledging loyalty to the queen he loves her. So, if she is in fact betrayed Jon will demand to know who told them he was the rightful heir. He will know it could only be a handful of people. And if he learns sansa is the one who did it, I dont think he'd chop her head off, but he certainly will not continue viewing her as family. She betrayed his trust in the most profound way possible.
Agreed... The politics dont feel chaotic and beautiful... Now they feel orchestrated, Heavy handed, and weird... And now the deaths feel like plot points, instead of feeling like a consequence... And now the deaths feel like set ups for character actions, instead of instances that our characters have to deal with
Whats interesting is during the big Jon/Dany scene is even though Dany is pretty much being selfish/manipulative of Jon in regarding of him telling his family about who he really is. What does Dany say say Sansa will do as she found out? Sansa would snitch. And what did Sansa do when she found out? She snitched. BOOM
It's all a part of Cersei's plans to destabilize Daenerys, let her think Tyrion is plotting against her, push Daenerys over the edge so everyone can see her as a monster just like Aerys.
Didnt add up... There will be some story pay off later, but thats the difference between game of thrones and this show were watching now based on the game of thrones characters
What has Daenery's actually done up until this point that's villainous? Everyone is pushing this narrative so hard but she's yet to do anything (other than rushing the assault on King's Landing). She's right that she has sacrificed a lot to get where she is. She's well within her rights to have literally sacrificed her people for someone else's cause only to have them now say chill out for a bit when it comes to her cause. I'm not saying they're wrong but they could have been more tactful about it. Like, before they had the re-past celebration. They are clumsily making her into a villain.
I disagree with the point you guys made about Brienne and Jaime. While I see your point about it being more effective if they DIDN’T have sex, I think the love scene was important because it showed character growth for Jaime. Remember, Brienne was a virgin, but Jaime wasn’t far behind because the only person he’d ever been with was Cersei. Up to that point, he had devoted his entire life to Cersei and everything he’d ever done was for her. Having a romantic relationship with Brienne was the only time he made a decision to do something for himself, without any influence from Cersei. I think he ended up going back to Cersei because he knows how far gone she is, and that he’s the only person who has a shot at stopping her. He is almost certain he will fail, but just like the personal sacrifice he made to stop the Mad King, he knows he has to step up once again. It almost makes his story even MORE tragic that Jaime tried to have something good, but his crazy-ass family f*cked it up. This is why Jaime Lannister can’t have nice things... 🙁 As for Daenerys going aggro... we’ve seen that coming for YEARS. Little glimpses here and there where she’s barely keeping her wrath in check, and even Tyrion has raised an eyebrow in concern now and then. It’s definitely not coming out of nowhere, and the only person who hasn’t seen it yet is Jon Snow. He is so good, he tends to only see the good in others, even when they don’t deserve it. I found myself yelling at the tv last night, “Ugh! You know nothing, Jon Snow!” Because he kept defending her in spite of his whole family telling him Daenerys is dangerous. I think he’s gonna show up and see that darker side of his queen like, “Damn, bitch I was gone for a week... WTF?!”
Cersi is more “Mad Queen” than Daenerys. She gives two craps about the people in KL and is deliberately forcing Dany to act. The only Mad in Daenerys is the angry kind.
@Troy Taylor Lol she's been threatening to burn people alive since she was across the narrow. The only reason she hasn't done it was because her advisors convinced her not to.
@Troy Taylor No no. It's not about threatening people. She was going to do it. Good rulers don't murder innocent people. And have you watched the show? Her father was the mad king that burned people alive with fire. Dany wants to burn people alive with fire as well. Like father, like daughter. I honestly don't understand how people could be surprised by the mad queen stuff. There are RUclips theory videos from like 5 years ago about this.
the theories of the night king being a time traveling bran in loop and jon having to kill him would have been a better story than the actual show's. somebody make a fan film of this.
Dany is in the wrong when her dragons, her army, and her friends and family are dead? No, Tyrion keeps spewing BS about trusting Cersei, when it is a waste of time. I wished Trion died for his stupidity. Have you watched the previous seasons? I'm not for it, but Tyrion needs to offer a different solution then let's talk to Cersei.
christianrapper what the fuck is George doing these days he should be devoting every minute of every day to finish this series. Seriously, he could knock these out one book a year if he just sat down everyday and wrote a couple pages I mean not even Harry Potter took this long.
Patrick D google the video with him and stephen king. Martin asked king how does he write books so fast. They kind of cut king’s answer but george r r martin seems like he is over there freaking out.
I agree, s5 was okay, season 6 was really good 'overall'. S7 and s8 feels rushed though, out of character decisions, teleporting from a-z, compelling characters arcs out the window etc. It seems the writers care more about 'fan service' then strong narrative storytelling.
I don’t think that we were supposed to see Brienne crying because she was heartbroken over her love leaving, she was crying because Jamie didn’t think he was a good man after everything that’s happened. She also probably thought she’d never see him again because he has to settle this situation with killing Cersei one way or another.
I think the point of the dinner scene is it was the exit for several characters, and the last time all those people will be together alive. It was kind of a farewell to like half the supporting cast.
25:51 No, it’s not justified, but Dany’s gonna go full “Roy Mustang chasing Envy” on Cersei and King’s Landing now, and I don’t think anyone can pull her from the edge.
disagree about Jaime and Brienne being fan fiction. Its clear that Jaime and her both had love/respect for each other for the longest time. It was needed to have them actually hook up for it to seem like jaime had finally moved on. To only revert once he hears that Cersei is in danger. And its pretty clear that he isn't going back to hook up wiht her but to kill her. He heard from Bronn that she hired him to kill him. He's not going to go there to hook up with her agian. He said what he said to Brienne to drive her away so she woudn't prevent him from going to KILL Cersei. He may try to first talk her out of her madness, but once he determines she wont change he's klling her. or at least will try to.
@@firstlast9846 maybe... But now theres really no reason to want to make tyrion suffer, he didnt really do anything to her... Not like oh girl from Dorne (however its spelled) or the scepter chick...
Does no one watch the 10 minutes after the show that explains what goes in to making the episode? The producers explained why the feast at the beginning went from being funereal to more celebratory.
I have mixed feeling about this episode. I feel like all this was about making Dany feel like an underdog and angry. I'm not buying the build up yet of Dany being Mad Queen. I bought the build up of the Red Wedding, Ned death, and Jon's death. It felt more like history choosing their path over the writers. Dany's new path have writer feel all over it. It just their build up was way smarter. Lot of fan service moments. I feel like if they went with Mad Queen Dany, they should of build that up in Esso. Westros Dany is written way different than Esso Dany. I felt like this was build up only in 1 episode or two instead of one or two full seasons. Why wasn't Dany shown paranoid in Esso? So Dany has no experience in getting people in her side. Wasn't the theme of Dany was that people wasn't force to be on her side but they choose to? Was she paranoid when the people didn't want her in Meereen? So she that afraid of Jon? If this was true Game of Thrones fashion or innovating storyline, the twist would being Mad is a good thing. How do you make an audience side with a Mad character in their actions without using sympathy? Varys and Tyrion talk didn't really feel like politics but felt like just choosing sides. Politics is more than choosing side. If Varys care about the world so much, why didn't he just kill Robert and Joffrey way earlier. They were both bad kings. Tyrion talking to Cersei was just dumb. Did he have plot armor? Didn't they fake his death already on the boat? Large armies have just as much issues as small armies. Supplies, Communications, Movement, Weather, etc all could be issues that they tackle with large armies. They didn't even touch any of those issues. How did they want to tackle this? Just get rid of most of her army. All they care about was that Dany doesn't look like evil burning tyrant. Where is their gov't plan to convince the people on her side? What is their tax plan? What type of gov't are they going to form? How are they going to get Esso people like Westros people? If Dany could make the North and the South work together, people will look at her differently? None of their plan or issues raise feel like a political figure.
@@Anthonycheesman33 name me another scene that shows Dany THAT paranoid. They base all that on Dany killing Sam's parent which was a very shade of grey scene. I haven't seen a scene yet before Season 8 and 7 where she went to deep end.
@@sherwinlui5758 but isn't that because we didn't like the 'Masters' of the slaves she freed. I remember jumping out my seat with joy when she burnt all the Dothraki Lords or rode Drogon to show her wrath in the Mereen marina. Completely agree, it was rushed and sloppy. But Dany has been on a power trip for some time. She always believed her weak brother would remove the Usurper King from the throne. The moment he got 'crowned' then it became her birthright...but in the Seven Kingdoms, a female heir is valued less than the male heir. Dany's just turned into the Targaryen Joker a little too quickly 🃏xxx
I really don't see the problem with the last episode. They set Arya to kill the night King some seasons back. These days people just complain and Im thinking you can't even creat half of what these people have come up with. Plus it's based books that never finished. I think they are doing a great job bringing it all together especially with all the characters they had to juggle flaws and all. Apparently that's what people notice these days.
I think tormund and Jon’s goodbye is foreshadowing he’s says I’m leaving but you never know we’ll meet again. And how Jon would be better in the north I think It’s a strong possibility of Jon going back north
SERIOUSLY?!?! Sorry I'm a Dany fangirl and saying that shes going to kill "innocence", really is beyond. When Cerci's crazy ass is using them as a human shield, Cerci's the one holding a septa in the torture room for the Franken-monster a mother watching her daughter die and blew up a church full a of "innocence" along with the surrounding area. But, Dany is the crazy power hungry woman??? Really, did she not start from nothing, being sold by her brother, raped by her husband (then fell in love with), lost her first dothraki riders after her husband died (which she tried to save), sacrificed herself, then had her babies stolen - killed (then called crazy) for going to get them and taking care of the people that f-ed her over. On and on and on through the seasons - all everyone is concerned with is her father and what he did... We are Not our Parents. ask any child... Sorry, but Dany is a freakin' survivor and if I had dragons , you damned skippy I'd use'em - the way anyone would use a gun or sword... GEEEZ
actually theon didn't kill the kids. his henchman at the time did. Dont remember his name, but Theon says so and so did it and he then used those bodies to pretend to be bran and rikkon. Also, the Hound also killed a kid. And Jaime TRIED to kill a kid. Why are they getting their redemption arcs and no one is saying they don't deserve their redemption? and Theon actually suffered because of his mistake. The hound killed the butcher boy, then stole food from starving family and felt regret when he found them dead later. but he didn't physically suffer the way Theon did for his sins. Theon more than paid for his crimes. Certainly moreso than anyone else also attempting to atone. I also give theon props for the fact that he had an out. He could have literally walked away with his sister.
*Ummmm* why the hell did Jon suggest that they would face 20,000 Golden Company soldiers in open field 🤦♂️ and they even said they have the Dothraki... who are all dead - I’m genuinely confused
ƘƖƝƓ ƠƑ Ꮶɨռɢʐ 87 only half....although we saw 99% of them charging in face first into that undead army lol. It’s okay it’s “subverting our expectations”.
Here's the real problem with the Jaime/Brianne scenes. NO WAY would the Lady of Tarth be embarrassed by the fact that she's a virgin. She's unmarried. She's EXPECTED to be a virgin and if anything would be proud of it. No way would Tyrian have asked her such a question. In that scene they took GOT and turned it into "The Wonder Years". Also NO WAY would Jaime (who becomes an honorable night whenever he's with Brianne) go into his UNMARRIED lady's bed chamber and take her virginity. If they wanted to do that, the least D&D could've done is tried to make Jaime propose first before she told him to just take her. At least that way it would've made more sense for Jaime's character.
They should've just expanded season 7 into a regular 10 episode season. Ended season 7 episode 10 with everybody in winterfell preparing for war... easy
I disagree. Most people were horrified by that. They actually didn’t sugar coat that when it happened either. She did some horrible stuff. The dumbest thing was to kill herself. However, the show had to get rid of her since she can actually resurrect people.
It feels like no one has any long term memory. Tyrion and Varys complaining about Dany made no sense since she's only in a bad position because she was diplomatic and followed their advice. Did Tyrion forget that Dany lost her fleet, the Dornish, the Tyrells, and almost lost the battle with the Night King because she followed his advice? And now he wants her to follow the exact same plan that failed horribly last time? It also made no sense that Euron was able to ambush them. Even ignoring the fact how idiotic it was for Euron to be able to sneak up on them and make 3 perfect shots against a moving dragon, this isn't the first time he's ambushed them. Dany lost her first fleet from a surprise attack by Euron. They were ambushed again after taking Casterly Rock. So why didn't anyone bother to scout and anticipate another ambush by Euron? They even talk about the Iron fleet during the battle planning scene.
Yeah, Daenerys not seeing the ships or her dragons not seeing the ships and yet Euron was able to see them behind a huge rock barrier made no sense. He also shot 3 huge spears like a machine gun with all of them hitting the dragon. Thats a load of shit.
If Arya manages to survive King's Landing, I'll start throwing stuff. She's my favourite character but her surviving her suicide mission would be too much. As for Brienne and Jamie, I could have accepted the fan service sex scene but to have her then standing in that court yard in her bathrobe, ugly crying over her boyfriend dumping her, is just treason for that character!
@NoseKey that's the problem... Not voicing an opinion is what's gonna keep the quality of any show or movie down. Let's not beat around the bushes anymore, this is not the same powerhouse show that begin in the early 2010s.
They wrote themselves into a corner with Arya. If they make her kill both the nk and Cersei it will be cheap and ridiculous. They shoehorned her into the nk's story for no reason other than shock value, it was so random and weird. Now that she's back on the road of her own storyline, it will feel even more ridiculous if she kills Cersei too. They should've left her big moment for Cersei who is actually part of her story, and keep the nk where he belonged, in Jon's storyline. And if you actually think about it, she already had a big moment with the Freys, and now she killed the nk and if they make her kill Cersei too it will just be.... Jfc. Absurd.
yeah cause yall heartless and dont like black women, but missendei is one of my top 5 fave characters in the show, she's dany's best friend, she is the lover of her captain of the guard, one of her advisors and translator..........she's not important to you but she is important to dany and us good people. a perfect bargaining chip to gurantee dany wont attack
@@remliqa She's smart because she's practical, learns from others, and for seeing beyond Dany's polite exterior. She knows power-hungry people and the lengths they'll go to to achieve their ends (like Dany's dumb move of going to KL with men and dragons who weren't in any condition to fight). I disagree that she's been "unnecessarily antagonistic" to Dany--cool, yes, but she has a right to be, imo. Her main concern is the well-being of the Northern people, none of whom agreed to bend the knee to Dany, and who all remember the Mad King. And if rumors are true about the last 2 eps, her mistrust will be proven correct.
@@jayjaybee Again, antagonising someone you suspected of being no better than the Mad King is not a smart move (or practical) for yourself or your people. Even more so when that person is the only reason why you and your people are still alive today.If she is really smart she would have been cordial and respectful towards Dany in the face regardless of how she personally felt about her. Arya is being more politically intelligent than Sansa (despite having zero training or experience for it) in this episode and I though Sansa was the ons that have "lesson" from Cersei and LF.
I don't. I mean they set it up last season as a technological innovation designed to kill dragons. Makes sense they would mass produce after getting it working.
*(sigh)* Does anyone ever think that this story is way *too generous* with Cersei and just GIVES her freebies? Like, she gets Qyburn for free..and Qyburn gives her Franken-Mountain for free..and Qyburn makes her Dragon-killing ballista for free..and some Pirate Uncle Greyjoy just _conveniently_ wants to marry her. Danaerys & Jon Snow, on the other hand, had to FIGHT for EVERYTHING in comparison to Cersei =/
It startled me when Christian showed up on screen, it's like he appears out of nowhere. Great discussion y'all! Even if I don't like what's happening in Game of Thrones right now, at least I get to hear the DT crew complain along with me. Brienne don't need a man!
I really did not like the jaime and brienne shipping thing.. they have more of a respect/friend type if relationship not a romantic one.. these fans are weird af.. tormond shoulda been the one
Are you serious? The show runners have made it very clear that Brienne and Jamie have romantic feelings for each other. Why does everyone think this came out of nowhere?
@@Arander92 Because for example it tarnishes the whole Knighting thing when the knighting is mixed up in romantic feelings. If they were kept as friends, at least from Jamie's perspective, then we would know that Jamie truly felt Breanne earned and deserved knighthood and not mixed up in feelings of romantic love.
I don't Jamie truly reciprocates her feelings, but he does respect her as a knight and value her as a friend. I think he hooked up with her because they were both drunk and had defeated the Night King. He basically gave her pity sex. He's always loved Cersei, which means he has to be the one to put her down. People keep getting mad at sex scenes like sex always symbolizes deep romantic love, which is not true in real life or this universe.
@@NotesOfInebriation I don't think it ruins her knighthood. You're being a little dramatic. Jamie has always clearly respected her as a warrior and as an honorable person. That doesn't change if he (probably doesn't) have romantic feelings for her.
Corey you guys are amazing, to be honest I look forward to your reviews almost as much as the shows and movies you guys review. You guys bring something so special to the content, you guys put out and I’m almost always laughing and showing my friends clips on the show.
Tyrion had a cult like devotion to Dani, and watching that realisation was heartbreaking. I also like the fact that somebody pointed out Jon was Dani’s nephew. Jon is going to kill the mad queen.
1) The Hound is wounded and this time Arya kills him out of mercy (going against her word) The Hound is mortally wounded after defeating his brother. 2) Jamie Kills Cersei as that fulfills the prophecy that she will be killed by her "younger brother" twist is its not Tyrion, and Jamie is 1 second younger (technicality) And im starting to think Sansa attempts to get Daenaries killed, but the plan backfires and John is killed or sacrifices himself to save daenaries from the assissination. the series ends on a cliff hanger with the new Warden of the North Sansa and her loyal houses + vale pit against the new "Mad Queen" in Daenaries who burned down Kings landing to take the throw like her father before her.
WHY does everybody want the show to end with nobody left alive? You won't have a show if that happens. Sam, he needs to live so he can go back home and help, or become a Maester. They will need his help after whatever happens end the end. Tormund, he needs to lead the people North of the wall. They were decimated even more than people south of the wall.
Missandei's death shocked me because she is one person I never feared for her life until she was captured in this episode. Especially with 8x3 when everyone thought Greyworm was gonna be the one to die.
I agree with you guys but...fell asleep human threat isnt very interesting i was sooooo hoping the knight king was gonna storm kingslanding cersie isnt a good ending just saying good points dudes writters screwed up love up to season 8
All of Dany's main allies have either died or betrayed her in the span of two episodes, all of this feels extremely rushed to force the mad queen arc instead of actually building this up in earlier seasons it seems like a last minute cop out
Cersei seems to be the only one killing the game right now. Danny is such a hot head and not thinking clearly. Sansa even getting better, just dont give her any weapons cause she don't know how to use them.
I think Jon already served the Lord of Light's purpose for his resurrection with seasons 6 and 7. Remember, Jon was instrumental in taking back Winterfell, unifying the North, AND he made an alliance with Daenerys. She never would have come to the north to fight the white walkers if it weren't for Jon. I get that some fans wanted Jon and Dany to have a bigger role in the actual battle of winterfell episode, but obviously the battle would've never been a victory if it weren't for Jon and Dany.
I think Cersei is playing mind games. It's not just about defeating Daenerys martially, it's about showing everyone that she was never fit to be queen over Cersei. She's taking away what Dany loves slowly and pushing her to the edge so she does something that can never be undone. (Also, Euron could've killed Drogon and Dany but didn't, I think he's plotting against Cersei too, trying to play both sides). With Tyrion, Daenerys is already suspicious of him. Cersei sparing his life more than once I think is meant to make Daenerys even more suspicious of him and she may do something to him that isn't in her best interests thinking Tyrion is betraying her for his family.
I agree, and we have to see this from the westerosi perspetive. The targaryens have always been considered as foreigners due to their history and their culture. The Baratheon is also one of the minor branch of the targaryens (Oris Baratheon is a targaryens bastard). Cersei is building a narrative that she is the sword and shield of the realm who protects westeros from foreign invaders.
It probably didn’t take 2 years to write this. I think they took off a season so george r r martin can finish his book. However, he didn’t so this what they are left with. George r r martin told them the end of the book already. However, it seems that he has absolutely no idea how to get there.
Danerys has been told her entire life she was born to rule by right of her name. In a show filled with plots that have went nowhere with no satisfying pay off, hers at least makes sense. Whether it's right or wrong, I can at least say it's consistent to how she has behaved for the entirety of the series to feel jealous and resentful towards Jon. Unfortunately everything happening around this particular plot thread feels rushed and almost everyone is behaving out of character in order to move the pieces faster to where they need to be.
*WHAT IF* instead of fan service Clegane Bowl shit and more Bad Dialogue - The Hound goes ‘I don’t like Crowds’ and proceeds to leave Westeros and tells Arya to tell his brother that he forgives him somewhat for his Face being burned - that’d complete his Arc and show progression - but otherwise this has been the best episode with the Hound and had his best moment since he was resurrected
Dany going mad queen is just ridiculous to me. Her whole arc has been about overcoming the odds that were stacked against her, to have her end be "oh she's crazy, take her out" is pathetic. It will be a shit ending for that show. It sends an awful message, that women in power are lunatics, and men are always going to be more suited because they have cocks. She laid all of the groundwork for Jon to come and take over at the end? No I can't accept this.
Sounds like you've been deceiving yourself then. Dany has been doing questionable shit for the longest while. She crucified masters. Allowed her dragon to burn someone alive as an example to others. And after season 1 she hasn't faced any difficulties. She pretty much just stays winning.
i feel like jamie will kill cersei and tyrion will kill danerys and become a queenslayer, because he is probably gonna do like what jamie did to her brother to save the kingdom from a crazy ruler bringing it back full circle
It’s such a double standard...people complain that this show has become predictable, yet complain about episode 3 because it didn’t play out the way they thought it should...huh?? The prophecy the red woman believes Jon Snow is meant to fulfill never said specifically “he will defeat the white walkers”...it just said something vague about defeating darkness or some shit...how do you know Jon Snow still won’t play a huge role? I agree the Night King could’ve been more developed but at this point what would you expect? That’s something that should’ve happened over the course of several episodes...they need to wrap this shit up not create more threads. The real drama will be between Jon and Denarius at the end
I did not think he was going to Cersei because he loves her .. . but she is the ultimate sin he has to make up for. . . . He knows he has to kill her The Bron scene was a sh!tty mess. He was out of character . . .
Theon killed two kids. Tormund murdered farmers. Jaime pushed a boy out of a ten-story window. But if two out of three of these people feel vaguely kinda bad about it some of the time we're just expected to not mind. Also if any of the victims of these wanton acts of meaningless violence--Ollie--dare object, we want them dead instead. Because we're healthy people.
Though Dorne is the black sheep of the show it might be a big player in the last episodes. They are the only nation that has a huge army that has suffered almost no casualties. They also have a HUGE grudge against the lannisters and were the Taergaryans most loyal followers for generations.
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ARYA 'we are the last Starks ,we should be together now'
25 mins later she leaves Winterfell.........................................wtf!!!!!!!
Well, after hearing about Jon's true parentage, she found a new agenda
Yeah...it kinda makes sense that she would want a *guarantee* that they'll all be safe from Cersei. I dunno, man, if *I* was Arya I'd totally do the same thing she did (shrug)
@@thehostofmmm I heard the leaks and it is on track with that leak. Not really.
AFTER she finds out jon isnt a stark so..............whats the problem???????
Well, She was so eager to be part of a family again. When she was training, she maintained that identity; but when she learned that everything she knew was lie, that her father lied to her all her life, she reverted to build an identity of her own.
The scene where dani is watching Jon be praised by the men and she is just sitting there with no one praising her is the same scene her brother had when she was being praised over him before getting his gold crown. She is becoming her brother to a degree
She became her brother the moment he died - taking on his quest to assemble armies to take back the Iron Throne.
@@Talalay99 not really
Jon did Ghost dirty here, like that could be the last time he ever sees him and he didn’t even give him a goodbye pet? Unforgivable...
You literally see the wolf missing an ear and Whimpering and Jon sent it to it’s death - I don’t think he wanted to pay for injections 🤷🏽♂️
Jon don't DESERVE Ghost! Poor baby lost his ear!
I believe he sees that ghost has been very loyal but knows that he won't survive if he continues to be with them. He doesn't go to pet him because it's already obvious in his face that it's hard that he's setting him free. He knows if he goes to pet or hug ghost he'll change his mind. Him leaving him to be free beyond the wall free from walkers free from the chaos that he's been in is the best thing jon did for him.
@@deadhead8323 I agree. And after seeing how Dany got her other dragon killed, I'm glad Jon sent Ghost away. People and things are going to start dying very quickly around the Dragon Queen.
The show couldn't afford it, with the dragons & last week's episode. Showing a dire wolf in actual contact with a human is more expensive than a shot of it by itself.
James McAvoy's character from Split had more consistency than the people in this episode.
Never watched Split. But I can say for sure the characters in GoT have always been consistent.
@Lady Kayura
Yes, even with the extremely rushed and divisive (can't say I'm too happy with it) ending of GoT.
too bad Danny didn't have that DT Mug
Yep melisandee would still be alive.
Danerys army helps save winterfell. "We don't trust her"
She didn’t save Winterfell, she wasn’t doing the starks a favour - she was saving everyone including herself, if she didn’t help she would have died herself.
Ungrateful Fucks 🤣🤣🤣
NoseKey she went to save Jon beyond the wall, and then agreed to help him after seeing the undead, before he ever bent the knee
Seriously! The whole Sansa vs Dany thing made me roll my eyes.. I was hoping Missandei was going to lay into her abit more. Bitch lost half her army and a dragon trying to save those ungrateful fucks. She brought more to the table then Jon did..
@RheyaRu!z Got em with the last sentence.
Those spears would have bounced off Rhaegal if he'd worn a hoodie from dtmerch.com
Lol
I know this is a joke, but in the books the only way to penetrate an adult dragon is through their eyes.
The show treated Rhaegal and Viserion like trash. They were caged, starved while Drogon wander free. Then they missed most of the fun action that Dragon had with loot train. And killed off in very stupid ways. I was way more sad about Rhaegal dying than Missandei.
Dany killed her own damned dragon. there was no way in hell she shouldn't have been prepared for there to be a scorpion every damn foot on kings landing, the beach, on the boats at sea. and she took BOTH dragons in there - that was just dumb as fuck. dumb ass writing! DUMB.
@@samanthanickson6478
Th last scopin she encountered couldn't kill Drogon on hit. I think she may have underestimated their strength after that battle.
Danny followed the advice of her advisors all the time. If she went straight to Kingslanding and burned it like she wanted, she'd have all three of her dragons, the night's king wouldn't have gotten a dragon, the wall would still be up. She was going to marry Jon Snow anyway, he didn't have to tell anyone about his parentage if he really didn't want the throne, either way they could rule together, the drama happened because Danny trusted her advisors and she sacrificed huge swaths of her army in the long night episode and risked everything to save the north and next day just like that the north did not remember anything she had done. She weakened her forces for nothing, and they still don't like her or trust her to rule them. They were fine having her fight for them but when they were safe she meant nothing to them. This episode made me dislike and not trust the Starks. How do you turn on someone who fought to protect you and was ready to die with you. If she burns all of those ungrateful jerks it's out of justifiable rage not insanity. Dracarys!
Why is carlos always so pissed off when he gives his opinions on most movies and shows? Korey was even trying to avoid looking at him 😂
The problem with Daenerys' story arc is that her core belief was to protect people and now she doesn't care. People change beliefs all the time, but core beliefs remain the same. BTW. Dany does listen to her advisors in most cases.
what? she was having a touch of god experience back when drogo was talking about going to westeros and crushing their stone houses and burning their towns
Yea she was one of my favorites since season 1 and it upsets me how her character has become so power hungry for the 7 kingdoms.
People keep forgetting how much Dany has lost. People bomb countries for less in real life.
Core beliefs can and do change. Remember that she's a Targaryen born to a family known for incest and nutjobs, it's just been slowly coming out of her for the last few seasons and every time she get a taste of power it takes over her. That's one of the only character arcs that still make sense - started off noble, and corrupted by power.
@@Katyamuffin A core belief is just like your value system, they will never change. If you were abused as a child and develop the belief that kids should not be abused, you're not going to change that belief down the road and think it's ok to abuse kids. Dany cared for people because she was treated badly and that fueled her belief; she remembers what it was like for her. With that said, there are some circumstances where decisions have to be made that will contradict your core belief. Life would be easier if it was black and white but it's not and sometimes you have to take the lesser of two evils because there are no good choices. That's why we need to look at a person's complete track record of actions taken instead of defining them by singular events.
It's kind of funny how so much of the fandom is like, "I don't like how bad this is, lately" and it's like, really? You just NOW start to see the flaws in this series? It's been flawed for a while now.
Why I completely skipped the post book seasons until now. Just wanna see the ending.
It's been going downhill since season 5 but 6 and 7 at least had some decent dramatic moments.
Its because the show still had very good moments but 8.3 was the last straw for many people.
But there was still a chance to save it with the ending. Now the ending is happening and it's awful.
season 7 and 8 have poor writting. 5 & 6 have some bad moments but still stand up well and 1-4 are amazing.
Cersei wanted to push Dany’s buttons, that’s why she executed Missandei. That is what she does and she loves it. Cersei wanted to taste the victory of killing a loved one because she knows it will break one and another. Yeah, she could order the soldiers to take out the others but this was more personal. It was like when she visited Maergery Tyrell in prison just to see her furious and scream at her. She also could just excuted Ellaria Martell and her daughter but instead she let Ellaria root in prison while her daughter’s decays from being poisoned next to her.
Breaking people mentally is one of Cersei’s weapons.
no one who ever met cersei couldnt expect she would set a trap for them when they came back south?.. pls..
They left the books since Season 5
Greyworm is a monster, and he wouldn't play with The Mountain like The Viper did. No reason why he wouldn't be able to kill him
I feel like it’s too easy to make Dany the mad queen it’s so predictable
@RheyaRu!z one word: OOF
I love the Starbucks cup that was on the table near Dany lol
had to go back and watch it again, now I can't unsee it.
Really?!? I thought that cup looked off in that scene, but never look directly at it and didn't rewind to check.😂😂
What part is that in? I only saw it os a still shot on the internet.
@@christianrapper just after Tormund gives his speech about Jon being " a crazy man or a king"
The death of the dragon made me upset and not in a good way like how the show used to, but in a way where I thought "that it is the stupidest thing ever are you serious?"
How is it stupid?
@RheyaRu!z
So you're telling me that weapon specifically designed to kill dragons being able to kill a dragon is stupid? Is the definition of stupid changed recently?
@@remliqa cause the only way the ships could have pulled it off is if the Greyjoy fleets were equipped with cloaking devices
@@PrettierNPastel
I suggest you watch that scene again. Th Greyjoy strike force was hidden in waiting between two islets and wasn't visible until it was too late.
@@remliqa yeah the scene shows them firing then emerging from the islet so unless they can curve those scorpions that's not happening. Also those are big old boats not little canoes that had to enter the clearing in open view to even fire on Danny and her dragon with how
is it right to kill thoushands to avenge Misandei and dragons? No. But she is at war with Cersei. Who just killed her dragon and best friend. If there was a way to get Cersei without waging war on Kings Landing, what is that alternative way? It sounds like people saying its wrong for her to kill thousands of innocencts to simply avenge deaths are not acknowleding that in war, its sometimes necessary to kill thousands to achieve an objective.
If there were a way to oust Cersei w/o sending her dragon to burn kings landing I'm sure Daneyrys would prefer it. But at every turn she's listened to her advisors telling her NOT to do those things. And every time she listens to them she loses more of her people. Because she is doing the right thing. She lost half her dothraki, half her unsullied, two dragons all to help the north, who have seemed decidedly ungrateful for her support.
This ties back to Lady Ollenna telling her to be a dragon. She keeps getting counseled not to. But this is only making sure she doesn't make it to the throne. She needs to unleash her rage at a certain point, and it would be justfied.
This would be like Israel getting attacked by Hamas who planted their weapons in with civilians, hoping that when Israel responds it will lead to civilian casualties. It probalby will. BUt is Israel suposed to stay its hand just because its enemy is ruthless enough to put its bombs amongst the local population.
This is also like the allies bombing Hiroshima (or carpet bombing a city). at a certain point in war, to end the war you need to go all out. This will mean civilians die.But this is true for all wars and all leaders. Would it be better to wage a war where no one dies? Sure. But that's not how war works.
Greyworm and The Hound vs The Zombie Mountain
::Update:: Greyworm uses the spear too... I'm sure he's skilled and quick enough to methodically pick at The Mountain, but he'll need the big gun, that is The Hound, to actually do substantial damage
The writers would just have Arya kill The Mountain mark my words
@@ardenaudreyarji agreed...
I think this series is way too rushed. They should have made it 8 episodes.
10 episodes
13 episodes
@Funk O'Matic HBO was ready to give D&D the money needed to make season 7 and 8 10 episodes but D&D said no.
varys and tyrion are not right. Well in one sense they are. But you can't go about achieving a regime change by betraying the person you pledged loyalty to. Which was Daenrys. Even more so if the guy with the better claim doesn't even want to be king.
Here's what might happen. Varys and Tyrion might betray Daneyrys to make Jon king. upon becoming king the first thing he will do is execute both of them. Because he can't have advisors who would betray the ruler they pledged loyalty to be on his staff advising him. If Varys decides that his rule isn't good for the realm would he perform a coup against him too?
This also applies to Sansa. He had her SWEAR to not reveal the secret in front of the gods wood tree. He pledged loyalty to his queen. Despite the fact that he has a better claim (beucase he doesn't want to actually be king). he had also pledged loyalty before learing this truth. And he is all about maintaining his vows above all. Sansa though swore to him as his family member she would keep his secret. But instead she immediately turned it over to Varys and Tyrion who are now thinking about a coup.
And in addition to not wanting to be king, and pledging loyalty to the queen he loves her. So, if she is in fact betrayed Jon will demand to know who told them he was the rightful heir. He will know it could only be a handful of people. And if he learns sansa is the one who did it, I dont think he'd chop her head off, but he certainly will not continue viewing her as family. She betrayed his trust in the most profound way possible.
Agreed... The politics dont feel chaotic and beautiful... Now they feel orchestrated, Heavy handed, and weird... And now the deaths feel like plot points, instead of feeling like a consequence... And now the deaths feel like set ups for character actions, instead of instances that our characters have to deal with
Its always been that way lol
@@Anthonycheesman33 has it?
@@YelloDuzzit yea this ep was your typical ep of game of thrones idk why people are bitching about it lol,
@@Anthonycheesman33 i disaggree
@@YelloDuzzit I'm hoping he only means the past few seasons because in the first four, it definitely wasn't that way.
Whats interesting is during the big Jon/Dany scene is even though Dany is pretty much being selfish/manipulative of Jon in regarding of him telling his family about who he really is. What does Dany say say Sansa will do as she found out? Sansa would snitch. And what did Sansa do when she found out? She snitched. BOOM
Cersei sent an assassin to kill her siblings, but just let Tyrion go when his an arrow shot away.
adikted2wwe exactly!!
*Let’s not forget* Cersei could’ve ended the rebellion and lose nobody then and there at the gates
It's all a part of Cersei's plans to destabilize Daenerys, let her think Tyrion is plotting against her, push Daenerys over the edge so everyone can see her as a monster just like Aerys.
No heart to do it in person.
Didnt add up... There will be some story pay off later, but thats the difference between game of thrones and this show were watching now based on the game of thrones characters
What has Daenery's actually done up until this point that's villainous? Everyone is pushing this narrative so hard but she's yet to do anything (other than rushing the assault on King's Landing). She's right that she has sacrificed a lot to get where she is. She's well within her rights to have literally sacrificed her people for someone else's cause only to have them now say chill out for a bit when it comes to her cause. I'm not saying they're wrong but they could have been more tactful about it. Like, before they had the re-past celebration. They are clumsily making her into a villain.
I agree. People are so eager to find any little hint of 'madness' It's become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I disagree with the point you guys made about Brienne and Jaime. While I see your point about it being more effective if they DIDN’T have sex, I think the love scene was important because it showed character growth for Jaime. Remember, Brienne was a virgin, but Jaime wasn’t far behind because the only person he’d ever been with was Cersei. Up to that point, he had devoted his entire life to Cersei and everything he’d ever done was for her. Having a romantic relationship with Brienne was the only time he made a decision to do something for himself, without any influence from Cersei.
I think he ended up going back to Cersei because he knows how far gone she is, and that he’s the only person who has a shot at stopping her. He is almost certain he will fail, but just like the personal sacrifice he made to stop the Mad King, he knows he has to step up once again. It almost makes his story even MORE tragic that Jaime tried to have something good, but his crazy-ass family f*cked it up. This is why Jaime Lannister can’t have nice things... 🙁
As for Daenerys going aggro... we’ve seen that coming for YEARS. Little glimpses here and there where she’s barely keeping her wrath in check, and even Tyrion has raised an eyebrow in concern now and then. It’s definitely not coming out of nowhere, and the only person who hasn’t seen it yet is Jon Snow. He is so good, he tends to only see the good in others, even when they don’t deserve it. I found myself yelling at the tv last night, “Ugh! You know nothing, Jon Snow!” Because he kept defending her in spite of his whole family telling him Daenerys is dangerous. I think he’s gonna show up and see that darker side of his queen like, “Damn, bitch I was gone for a week... WTF?!”
Tbh they've been setting up Dany's mad queen arc for years.
I think it became more apparent since she burned sam's family.
Thank you! I don't know why people keep saying it's forced. It's like have you been watching the show?
Cersi is more “Mad Queen” than Daenerys. She gives two craps about the people in KL and is deliberately forcing Dany to act. The only Mad in Daenerys is the angry kind.
@Troy Taylor Lol she's been threatening to burn people alive since she was across the narrow. The only reason she hasn't done it was because her advisors convinced her not to.
@Troy Taylor No no. It's not about threatening people. She was going to do it. Good rulers don't murder innocent people.
And have you watched the show? Her father was the mad king that burned people alive with fire. Dany wants to burn people alive with fire as well. Like father, like daughter.
I honestly don't understand how people could be surprised by the mad queen stuff. There are RUclips theory videos from like 5 years ago about this.
Game of Thrones is a shonen anime at this point
the theories of the night king being a time traveling bran in loop and jon having to kill him would have been a better story than the actual show's. somebody make a fan film of this.
The Programmer of video games I will
At least shonen jump anime goes 1 to 1. One Piece would never be over 800+ episode if it wasn't close to being one to one.
fuck yeah I love shonen
Could be worse. Could be Dexter season 5-7
Dany is in the wrong when her dragons, her army, and her friends and family are dead? No, Tyrion keeps spewing BS about trusting Cersei, when it is a waste of time. I wished Trion died for his stupidity. Have you watched the previous seasons? I'm not for it, but Tyrion needs to offer a different solution then let's talk to Cersei.
Did anyone notice the Starbucks cup on the table in front of Danny in the great Hall dinner feast scene
Jaime is holding a beer pong cup during Joffery's funeral.
That was her PA's fault and they forgot her doughnuts too LOL!!!!
nope. i was too busy watching the SHOW and PAYING ATTENTION to the dialogue..........
@@serenityq26 well if you didnt notice you obviously werent PAYING ATTENTION to the SHOW very much were you
Remember when daenarys was wearing modern. day jeans in season 2?
Game of Thrones was season 1-4...Now it is Bold and Beautiful
Can’t blame the writers though. They even took off a season and he still could not finish the books.
christianrapper what the fuck is George doing these days he should be devoting every minute of every day to finish this series. Seriously, he could knock these out one book a year if he just sat down everyday and wrote a couple pages I mean not even Harry Potter took this long.
Patrick D google the video with him and stephen king. Martin asked king how does he write books so fast. They kind of cut king’s answer but george r r martin seems like he is over there freaking out.
@@patrickdoss25 He busy spending his HBO money on Ho's and Liquor...no time to write books for Nerds
I agree, s5 was okay, season 6 was really good 'overall'. S7 and s8 feels rushed though, out of character decisions, teleporting from a-z, compelling characters arcs out the window etc. It seems the writers care more about 'fan service' then strong narrative storytelling.
I don’t think that we were supposed to see Brienne crying because she was heartbroken over her love leaving, she was crying because Jamie didn’t think he was a good man after everything that’s happened. She also probably thought she’d never see him again because he has to settle this situation with killing Cersei one way or another.
I cared about Missandei 🥺
I'd be really disappointed too if they ultimately made Dany the villain
Gary Benjamin Holt Jr. LOL right??? Like people do care about Missandei
Well she's going to so be prepared. That I'm ok with because the books has hinted toward that happening since the beginning. Jons going to kill Dany.
@@Revealingstorm. Jon Snow is so boring
😂
I think the point of the dinner scene is it was the exit for several characters, and the last time all those people will be together alive. It was kind of a farewell to like half the supporting cast.
What about the Starbucks cup in the background of the episode?
With the name completely butchered?
game of thrones is in the future confirmed?
OMG....seeing this comment made me Google it. I can't believe they didn't see that in editing
15 million an episode and everyone missed it. Yikes.
Yeah, but its not like you noticed it until someone mentioned it.
I'm not about to talk like these last couple episodes have been flawless... but Michael Bay? Really, that's the comparison you want to make?
yes...😏
@RheyaRu!z Nah it was transformer style spectacle over substance
25:51 No, it’s not justified, but Dany’s gonna go full “Roy Mustang chasing Envy” on Cersei and King’s Landing now, and I don’t think anyone can pull her from the edge.
There should be no complaints about the feast after the mass funeral. We still do that now.
Game of Thrones is my favorite telenovella
disagree about Jaime and Brienne being fan fiction. Its clear that Jaime and her both had love/respect for each other for the longest time. It was needed to have them actually hook up for it to seem like jaime had finally moved on. To only revert once he hears that Cersei is in danger. And its pretty clear that he isn't going back to hook up wiht her but to kill her. He heard from Bronn that she hired him to kill him. He's not going to go there to hook up with her agian. He said what he said to Brienne to drive her away so she woudn't prevent him from going to KILL Cersei. He may try to first talk her out of her madness, but once he determines she wont change he's klling her. or at least will try to.
completely agree, shit doesn’t make sense. Why would she not kill Dany, her dragon or Tyrion?
I guess they prolly couldn't reach the dragon withvthe scorpions, but Tyrion should be dead, and Dany shouldve been, at the very least, dodging arrows
Yello Duzzit 100%
I can understand if she wants to make Tyrion suffer - but she could kill everyone but Tyrion and then go and capture him
@@firstlast9846 maybe... But now theres really no reason to want to make tyrion suffer, he didnt really do anything to her... Not like oh girl from Dorne (however its spelled) or the scepter chick...
No one , except hostages , ever gets killed when armies parley, which that is what it was . C’mon people how can anyone forget that
Theon has been through so much, much more than jaime. Theon suffered the most. He has earned forgiveness
This show is so basic now. It's not well thought out anymore. Why did dany not notice euron and his fleet? I just...
I thought the same. To me I would think if you high up in the air you should see more of a view . So I thought.
Because she was in the clouds? Thats why when she looked down,the fleet appeared, through the clouds?
oh clouds. That makes sense......
Does no one watch the 10 minutes after the show that explains what goes in to making the episode? The producers explained why the feast at the beginning went from being funereal to more celebratory.
I mean right. It's mind boggling.
by my reaction apparently i care more about Dragons then i do people lol
jc2367 lol that was exactly my reaction too 😂
If the Mountain isn't fooled by the many faces and just cleaves Arya in two I can imagine the holy shits. And what a way to begin Clegaine Bowl!
Now THAT would be Game of Thrones
And people who were pissed that Arya killed the Night King would be frothing .
It’s like everything goes in Cersei’s favor just so we can have a villain
I have mixed feeling about this episode. I feel like all this was about making Dany feel like an underdog and angry. I'm not buying the build up yet of Dany being Mad Queen. I bought the build up of the Red Wedding, Ned death, and Jon's death. It felt more like history choosing their path over the writers. Dany's new path have writer feel all over it. It just their build up was way smarter. Lot of fan service moments.
I feel like if they went with Mad Queen Dany, they should of build that up in Esso. Westros Dany is written way different than Esso Dany. I felt like this was build up only in 1 episode or two instead of one or two full seasons. Why wasn't Dany shown paranoid in Esso? So Dany has no experience in getting people in her side. Wasn't the theme of Dany was that people wasn't force to be on her side but they choose to? Was she paranoid when the people didn't want her in Meereen? So she that afraid of Jon?
If this was true Game of Thrones fashion or innovating storyline, the twist would being Mad is a good thing. How do you make an audience side with a Mad character in their actions without using sympathy?
Varys and Tyrion talk didn't really feel like politics but felt like just choosing sides. Politics is more than choosing side. If Varys care about the world so much, why didn't he just kill Robert and Joffrey way earlier. They were both bad kings.
Tyrion talking to Cersei was just dumb. Did he have plot armor?
Didn't they fake his death already on the boat?
Large armies have just as much issues as small armies. Supplies, Communications, Movement, Weather, etc all could be issues that they tackle with large armies. They didn't even touch any of those issues. How did they want to tackle this? Just get rid of most of her army.
All they care about was that Dany doesn't look like evil burning tyrant. Where is their gov't plan to convince the people on her side? What is their tax plan? What type of gov't are they going to form? How are they going to get Esso people like Westros people? If Dany could make the North and the South work together, people will look at her differently? None of their plan or issues raise feel like a political figure.
Dany has been a hot head for a few seasons now this isn't new lol
@@Anthonycheesman33 hothead is different than being paranoid.
@@sherwinlui5758 but her being paranoid makes sense for her character I would be more shocked if she wasn't paranoid of jon cuz that is who she is.
@@Anthonycheesman33 name me another scene that shows Dany THAT paranoid. They base all that on Dany killing Sam's parent which was a very shade of grey scene. I haven't seen a scene yet before Season 8 and 7 where she went to deep end.
@@sherwinlui5758 but isn't that because we didn't like the 'Masters' of the slaves she freed. I remember jumping out my seat with joy when she burnt all the Dothraki Lords or rode Drogon to show her wrath in the Mereen marina.
Completely agree, it was rushed and sloppy. But Dany has been on a power trip for some time. She always believed her weak brother would remove the Usurper King from the throne. The moment he got 'crowned' then it became her birthright...but in the Seven Kingdoms, a female heir is valued less than the male heir. Dany's just turned into the Targaryen Joker a little too quickly 🃏xxx
I really don't see the problem with the last episode. They set Arya to kill the night King some seasons back. These days people just complain and Im thinking you can't even creat half of what these people have come up with. Plus it's based books that never finished. I think they are doing a great job bringing it all together especially with all the characters they had to juggle flaws and all. Apparently that's what people notice these days.
If Arya dies, the show will officially be considered tainted trash.
I think tormund and Jon’s goodbye is foreshadowing he’s says I’m leaving but you never know we’ll meet again. And how Jon would be better in the north I think It’s a strong possibility of Jon going back north
I think Jon belongs in the North especially since that is where his journey started in season 1.
SERIOUSLY?!?! Sorry I'm a Dany fangirl and saying that shes going to kill "innocence", really is beyond. When Cerci's crazy ass is using them as a human shield, Cerci's the one holding a septa in the torture room for the Franken-monster a mother watching her daughter die and blew up a church full a of "innocence" along with the surrounding area. But, Dany is the crazy power hungry woman??? Really, did she not start from nothing, being sold by her brother, raped by her husband (then fell in love with), lost her first dothraki riders after her husband died (which she tried to save), sacrificed herself, then had her babies stolen - killed (then called crazy) for going to get them and taking care of the people that f-ed her over.
On and on and on through the seasons - all everyone is concerned with is her father and what he did... We are Not our Parents. ask any child... Sorry, but Dany is a freakin' survivor and if I had dragons , you damned skippy I'd use'em - the way anyone would use a gun or sword... GEEEZ
actually theon didn't kill the kids. his henchman at the time did. Dont remember his name, but Theon says so and so did it and he then used those bodies to pretend to be bran and rikkon.
Also, the Hound also killed a kid. And Jaime TRIED to kill a kid.
Why are they getting their redemption arcs and no one is saying they don't deserve their redemption? and Theon actually suffered because of his mistake. The hound killed the butcher boy, then stole food from starving family and felt regret when he found them dead later. but he didn't physically suffer the way Theon did for his sins. Theon more than paid for his crimes.
Certainly moreso than anyone else also attempting to atone. I also give theon props for the fact that he had an out. He could have literally walked away with his sister.
Arya: it was just a booty call!!
*Ummmm* why the hell did Jon suggest that they would face 20,000 Golden Company soldiers in open field 🤦♂️ and they even said they have the Dothraki... who are all dead - I’m genuinely confused
Didn’t some of the Dothraki run back?
The Good comment I would hardly count 12 Dothraki as a fighting force - they’re all gone 🤷🏽♂️
No only half the dothraki died
King of Kings then where was the other half? Don’t say Dragonstone because they all abandoned Dragonstone
ƘƖƝƓ ƠƑ Ꮶɨռɢʐ 87 only half....although we saw 99% of them charging in face first into that undead army lol. It’s okay it’s “subverting our expectations”.
Here's the real problem with the Jaime/Brianne scenes. NO WAY would the Lady of Tarth be embarrassed by the fact that she's a virgin. She's unmarried. She's EXPECTED to be a virgin and if anything would be proud of it. No way would Tyrian have asked her such a question. In that scene they took GOT and turned it into "The Wonder Years". Also NO WAY would Jaime (who becomes an honorable night whenever he's with Brianne) go into his UNMARRIED lady's bed chamber and take her virginity. If they wanted to do that, the least D&D could've done is tried to make Jaime propose first before she told him to just take her. At least that way it would've made more sense for Jaime's character.
Jon was throwing up mad death flags when he was saying his goodbyes.
The entire season was leaked a while back in written form. Everything so far has been correct. Apparently Jon goes back to the Wall at the end.
@@VadersFist95 Where can I find this leak
@@Argos-xb8ek reddit
@@VadersFist95 yeah but first he is the one Who will kill Dany
They should've just expanded season 7 into a regular 10 episode season. Ended season 7 episode 10 with everybody in winterfell preparing for war... easy
They left a mahfucking Starbucks cup in the episode! They don't give any fux.
Didn't you know they have Starbucks and frappuccinos in the game of thrones universe? God damn this season has been the worst.
Did Dany go to the future to get her army? lol . And she didn't even get a DT cup!
everyone hates on theon for killing the kids but nobody minds when milesandrie burns a little girl smh
@Christian Torres he wouldnt have ever made that decission if mel hadnt brain washed him
I disagree. Most people were horrified by that. They actually didn’t sugar coat that when it happened either. She did some horrible stuff. The dumbest thing was to kill herself. However, the show had to get rid of her since she can actually resurrect people.
It feels like no one has any long term memory.
Tyrion and Varys complaining about Dany made no sense since she's only in a bad position because she was diplomatic and followed their advice. Did Tyrion forget that Dany lost her fleet, the Dornish, the Tyrells, and almost lost the battle with the Night King because she followed his advice? And now he wants her to follow the exact same plan that failed horribly last time?
It also made no sense that Euron was able to ambush them. Even ignoring the fact how idiotic it was for Euron to be able to sneak up on them and make 3 perfect shots against a moving dragon, this isn't the first time he's ambushed them. Dany lost her first fleet from a surprise attack by Euron. They were ambushed again after taking Casterly Rock. So why didn't anyone bother to scout and anticipate another ambush by Euron? They even talk about the Iron fleet during the battle planning scene.
Yeah, Daenerys not seeing the ships or her dragons not seeing the ships and yet Euron was able to see them behind a huge rock barrier made no sense. He also shot 3 huge spears like a machine gun with all of them hitting the dragon. Thats a load of shit.
If Arya manages to survive King's Landing, I'll start throwing stuff.
She's my favourite character but her surviving her suicide mission would be too much.
As for Brienne and Jamie, I could have accepted the fan service sex scene but to have her then standing in that court yard in her bathrobe, ugly crying over her boyfriend dumping her, is just treason for that character!
R.I.P Missandei I hope Arya dies next
The dialogue and writing so cheesy now this shit soap opera status now 🙄
So it wasn't just me thinking that then
@@BMofficialvids its been like that since season 7
Your writing is really great
@NoseKey that's the problem... Not voicing an opinion is what's gonna keep the quality of any show or movie down. Let's not beat around the bushes anymore, this is not the same powerhouse show that begin in the early 2010s.
@NoseKey tell that to star wars
They wrote themselves into a corner with Arya. If they make her kill both the nk and Cersei it will be cheap and ridiculous. They shoehorned her into the nk's story for no reason other than shock value, it was so random and weird. Now that she's back on the road of her own storyline, it will feel even more ridiculous if she kills Cersei too. They should've left her big moment for Cersei who is actually part of her story, and keep the nk where he belonged, in Jon's storyline. And if you actually think about it, she already had a big moment with the Freys, and now she killed the nk and if they make her kill Cersei too it will just be.... Jfc. Absurd.
I’m surprised Arya didn’t jump in and kill Thanos
yeah cause yall heartless and dont like black women, but missendei is one of my top 5 fave characters in the show, she's dany's best friend, she is the lover of her captain of the guard, one of her advisors and translator..........she's not important to you but she is important to dany and us good people. a perfect bargaining chip to gurantee dany wont attack
I liked her and I was devastated for Greyworm.
Sansa and Varys were the smartest in this ep. And Danny’s heel turn has been building for YEARS.
Was Sansa being smart , though? She unnecessarily antagonised Dany every moment she got the opportunity.
@@remliqa She's smart because she's practical, learns from others, and for seeing beyond Dany's polite exterior. She knows power-hungry people and the lengths they'll go to to achieve their ends (like Dany's dumb move of going to KL with men and dragons who weren't in any condition to fight). I disagree that she's been "unnecessarily antagonistic" to Dany--cool, yes, but she has a right to be, imo. Her main concern is the well-being of the Northern people, none of whom agreed to bend the knee to Dany, and who all remember the Mad King. And if rumors are true about the last 2 eps, her mistrust will be proven correct.
@@jayjaybee
Again, antagonising someone you suspected of being no better than the Mad King is not a smart move (or practical) for yourself or your people. Even more so when that person is the only reason why you and your people are still alive today.If she is really smart she would have been cordial and respectful towards Dany in the face regardless of how she personally felt about her. Arya is being more politically intelligent than Sansa (despite having zero training or experience for it) in this episode and I though Sansa was the ons that have "lesson" from Cersei and LF.
I have a problem with machine gun crossbows. They did the same thing in that Robin Hood movie with crossbows and regular bows
I don't. I mean they set it up last season as a technological innovation designed to kill dragons. Makes sense they would mass produce after getting it working.
"Semi automatic " ballista have existed even during the times of the Greeks.
Danys Starbucks cup tho
Was it an actual Starbucks cup tho? I wouldn’t be suprised if Jon eats a packet of Dorritos before the battle
How about this Arya gets killed by the mountain the hound kills the mountain and Jamie kills cersi ...Drop the Mic 🎤
*(sigh)* Does anyone ever think that this story is way *too generous* with Cersei and just GIVES her freebies? Like, she gets Qyburn for free..and Qyburn gives her Franken-Mountain for free..and Qyburn makes her Dragon-killing ballista for free..and some Pirate Uncle Greyjoy just _conveniently_ wants to marry her. Danaerys & Jon Snow, on the other hand, had to FIGHT for EVERYTHING in comparison to Cersei =/
I've called Dany as an imperialist/colonialist villain since season 3. I'm not at all surprised by her turn. Periodt.
It startled me when Christian showed up on screen, it's like he appears out of nowhere. Great discussion y'all! Even if I don't like what's happening in Game of Thrones right now, at least I get to hear the DT crew complain along with me.
Brienne don't need a man!
I really did not like the jaime and brienne shipping thing.. they have more of a respect/friend type if relationship not a romantic one.. these fans are weird af.. tormond shoulda been the one
Are you serious? The show runners have made it very clear that Brienne and Jamie have romantic feelings for each other. Why does everyone think this came out of nowhere?
@@Arander92 Because for example it tarnishes the whole Knighting thing when the knighting is mixed up in romantic feelings. If they were kept as friends, at least from Jamie's perspective, then we would know that Jamie truly felt Breanne earned and deserved knighthood and not mixed up in feelings of romantic love.
Brienne constantly said she didn’t want Tormund yet he still persisted. Jaime and Brienne have a had a better relationship building for a while now
I don't Jamie truly reciprocates her feelings, but he does respect her as a knight and value her as a friend. I think he hooked up with her because they were both drunk and had defeated the Night King. He basically gave her pity sex. He's always loved Cersei, which means he has to be the one to put her down. People keep getting mad at sex scenes like sex always symbolizes deep romantic love, which is not true in real life or this universe.
@@NotesOfInebriation I don't think it ruins her knighthood. You're being a little dramatic. Jamie has always clearly respected her as a warrior and as an honorable person. That doesn't change if he (probably doesn't) have romantic feelings for her.
Jaime loved Breanne... he was pushing Bre away, so she won’t follow him!
nah Bre got played
Corey you guys are amazing, to be honest I look forward to your reviews almost as much as the shows and movies you guys review. You guys bring something so special to the content, you guys put out and I’m almost always laughing and showing my friends clips on the show.
Tyrion had a cult like devotion to Dani, and watching that realisation was heartbreaking. I also like the fact that somebody pointed out Jon was Dani’s nephew. Jon is going to kill the mad queen.
1) The Hound is wounded and this time Arya kills him out of mercy (going against her word) The Hound is mortally wounded after defeating his brother.
2) Jamie Kills Cersei as that fulfills the prophecy that she will be killed by her "younger brother" twist is its not Tyrion, and Jamie is 1 second younger (technicality)
And im starting to think Sansa attempts to get Daenaries killed, but the plan backfires and John is killed or sacrifices himself to save daenaries from the assissination. the series ends on a cliff hanger with the new Warden of the North Sansa and her loyal houses + vale pit against the new "Mad Queen" in Daenaries who burned down Kings landing to take the throw like her father before her.
WHY does everybody want the show to end with nobody left alive? You won't have a show if that happens. Sam, he needs to live so he can go back home and help, or become a Maester. They will need his help after whatever happens end the end. Tormund, he needs to lead the people North of the wall. They were decimated even more than people south of the wall.
Missandei's death shocked me because she is one person I never feared for her life until she was captured in this episode. Especially with 8x3 when everyone thought Greyworm was gonna be the one to die.
Also Brienne has been in love with Jaime but thought he was unattainable
I agree with you guys but...fell asleep human threat isnt very interesting i was sooooo hoping the knight king was gonna storm kingslanding cersie isnt a good ending just saying good points dudes writters screwed up love up to season 8
All of Dany's main allies have either died or betrayed her in the span of two episodes, all of this feels extremely rushed to force the mad queen arc instead of actually building this up in earlier seasons it seems like a last minute cop out
Cersei seems to be the only one killing the game right now. Danny is such a hot head and not thinking clearly. Sansa even getting better, just dont give her any weapons cause she don't know how to use them.
That's the point.
I think Jon already served the Lord of Light's purpose for his resurrection with seasons 6 and 7. Remember, Jon was instrumental in taking back Winterfell, unifying the North, AND he made an alliance with Daenerys. She never would have come to the north to fight the white walkers if it weren't for Jon. I get that some fans wanted Jon and Dany to have a bigger role in the actual battle of winterfell episode, but obviously the battle would've never been a victory if it weren't for Jon and Dany.
I think Cersei is playing mind games. It's not just about defeating Daenerys martially, it's about showing everyone that she was never fit to be queen over Cersei. She's taking away what Dany loves slowly and pushing her to the edge so she does something that can never be undone. (Also, Euron could've killed Drogon and Dany but didn't, I think he's plotting against Cersei too, trying to play both sides). With Tyrion, Daenerys is already suspicious of him. Cersei sparing his life more than once I think is meant to make Daenerys even more suspicious of him and she may do something to him that isn't in her best interests thinking Tyrion is betraying her for his family.
I agree, and we have to see this from the westerosi perspetive. The targaryens have always been considered as foreigners due to their history and their culture. The Baratheon is also one of the minor branch of the targaryens (Oris Baratheon is a targaryens bastard). Cersei is building a narrative that she is the sword and shield of the realm who protects westeros from foreign invaders.
I kept thinking the whole time it took them two years to write this? And last week I kept thinking I waited eight years for this?
It probably didn’t take 2 years to write this. I think they took off a season so george r r martin can finish his book. However, he didn’t so this what they are left with. George r r martin told them the end of the book already. However, it seems that he has absolutely no idea how to get there.
The dude with glasses has problems with everything.
Danerys has been told her entire life she was born to rule by right of her name. In a show filled with plots that have went nowhere with no satisfying pay off, hers at least makes sense. Whether it's right or wrong, I can at least say it's consistent to how she has behaved for the entirety of the series to feel jealous and resentful towards Jon. Unfortunately everything happening around this particular plot thread feels rushed and almost everyone is behaving out of character in order to move the pieces faster to where they need to be.
*WHAT IF* instead of fan service Clegane Bowl shit and more Bad Dialogue - The Hound goes ‘I don’t like Crowds’ and proceeds to leave Westeros and tells Arya to tell his brother that he forgives him somewhat for his Face being burned - that’d complete his Arc and show progression - but otherwise this has been the best episode with the Hound and had his best moment since he was resurrected
Dany going mad queen is just ridiculous to me. Her whole arc has been about overcoming the odds that were stacked against her, to have her end be "oh she's crazy, take her out" is pathetic. It will be a shit ending for that show. It sends an awful message, that women in power are lunatics, and men are always going to be more suited because they have cocks. She laid all of the groundwork for Jon to come and take over at the end? No I can't accept this.
Sounds like you've been deceiving yourself then. Dany has been doing questionable shit for the longest while. She crucified masters. Allowed her dragon to burn someone alive as an example to others.
And after season 1 she hasn't faced any difficulties. She pretty much just stays winning.
This show is ending for us like it did for Catlyn stark
Why do they even let Carlos on the mic?
Army1601 Fuck that Carlos Asshole!...man I hate that guy, fucks up EVERY SHOW HE’S ON!🤬🤬🤬
i feel like jamie will kill cersei and tyrion will kill danerys and become a queenslayer, because he is probably gonna do like what jamie did to her brother to save the kingdom from a crazy ruler bringing it back full circle
It’s such a double standard...people complain that this show has become predictable, yet complain about episode 3 because it didn’t play out the way they thought it should...huh?? The prophecy the red woman believes Jon Snow is meant to fulfill never said specifically “he will defeat the white walkers”...it just said something vague about defeating darkness or some shit...how do you know Jon Snow still won’t play a huge role? I agree the Night King could’ve been more developed but at this point what would you expect? That’s something that should’ve happened over the course of several episodes...they need to wrap this shit up not create more threads. The real drama will be between Jon and Denarius at the end
I did not think he was going to Cersei because he loves her .. . but she is the ultimate sin he has to make up for. . . . He knows he has to kill her
The Bron scene was a sh!tty mess. He was out of character . . .
Out of character? lol Bronn is the only character who has been consistent throughout the show, all he wants is money and to save his own life
Theon killed two kids. Tormund murdered farmers. Jaime pushed a boy out of a ten-story window. But if two out of three of these people feel vaguely kinda bad about it some of the time we're just expected to not mind.
Also if any of the victims of these wanton acts of meaningless violence--Ollie--dare object, we want them dead instead. Because we're healthy people.
Varys was testing Tyrion too see if he were plotting with Cersei
varys has ties with the golden company, golden company switches sides.
That would be the least worst case scenario.
Though Dorne is the black sheep of the show it might be a big player in the last episodes.
They are the only nation that has a huge army that has suffered almost no casualties.
They also have a HUGE grudge against the lannisters and were the Taergaryans most loyal followers for generations.