Nissan GT-R Track Pack v Porsche 997 Turbo S - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- It's been raining in England for the past 6 weeks, so this is a damp test. The GT-R Track Pack seems a bit half-hearted and, on-paper, the 997 Turbo S is the closest rival. I went to an evening track event at Brands hatch to discover the differences/ work out if the Track pack is worth the extra cash.
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These two cars look so great together.........dont know why people limit their mindsets to "either this or that"
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True, but if there is someone out there who could afford to, then I think anyone is capable of affording both these cars as well, even if it might take a few years of working hard. I feel if someone is able to afford a Nissan GTR and its maintainance and upkeep as well, then they can figure out how to up their income to fit in the Porsche somewhere down the line as well. Maybe thats just my way of thinking...
Price of Freedom nah we could afford a gtr but never that porsche way too expensive
Chris, there are dozens of online "road test" shows with hosts that can't put a car into a controlled slide if their life depended on it. YOU are the only one who has mastered hooligan driving while effectively conveying the actual experience to your viewers, an unprecedented talent. Your track test of GT3 RS vs. M3 GTS vs. C63 AMG was pure excitement, period.
You know what to do, keep the tires smoking!
side note... you can have the camber and toe set to whatever you want on any newer GT-R. Doesn't matter which model you get
I took my R35 and Evo X on a track day.The R35 was brilliant,the Evo's brakes overheated and faded badly.
Dear Harris Monkey.
Please disregard the comments about your drifting cars at insane speeds and having a good time.
I for one subscribed to your channel because you actually can drive and have fun doing it.
Please don't change for haters they didn't get you into cars or on Drive in the first place, and will eventually talk crap after you get booted for being watered down.
Do you bro, do you and let the haters ride coach, on the hate train that they can't get off.
Your better than 99% of the auto hacks on the planet, don't let some keyboard warrior get you down.
2023 Harris Monkey is a bigger LEGEND
totally! click the ads if you want to support drive. the problem is how little people know about video production. quality like this isn't easy or cheap.
Both are amazing cars... love the turbo s though
MOAR SIDEWAYZ!!! :-) Chris, don't let the peanut gallery discourage you from your gift as a hoon. Not many reviewers can do what you do in a car, and although I'm a racer myself and greatly value seeing lap times and some "serious" laps without all the sliding, I also enjoy seeing you drift because it does say a lot about the balance of the chassis and the car's general ability to put a smile on your face.
Have always enjoyed listening and watching this bloke. A Master of his craft.
Didn't even know about this Chris Harris vid. feels like Christmas morning!
I will definitely choose Nissan GTR. I love this car and Japanese cars in general.
Came for the comments by raging fanboys on both sides - was not disappointing.
I came for idiots who don't know how to spell/use proper grammar, and, it seems, I am not to be disappointed.
TheHonestCactus Care to educate me on my grammar and spelling mistakes?
Foremost, you're missing a noun in your fragment. Additionally, your usage of " - was not disappointing." is incorrect, you should have either said ", I was not disappointed." or ", this was not disappointing."
TheHonestCactus I see, so I used informal language on RUclips... hmm... and what was my spelling mistake?
Matthew Sharpe
Dude it is so funny when others try and show their dominance by pointing out peoples grammatical errors. I didn't realize this was a resume. I don't take RUclips too seriously. "Your comment has a grammatical error and so you are a lesser person than I in every way". "the point you are trying to make in your comment means nothing because you said your when you should have said You're, am I right guys? I mean who does this guy think he is..am I right? Now please give me a thumbs up and like me, please"...
Calvin, your drifts at the end of videos are what really bring out differences between the cars, and it sure as hell is entertaining, don't let youtube comments sway your love of drifting, they're just jealous they can't do it like you. Keep at what you're doing.
I completely disagree with those who are annoyed by your high speed and big angle drift, Lord Harris. I should imagine it takes quite a lot balls to do that, balls which those people do not have.
How can we get bored with GT3 videos, it's a masterpiece. And please, drive as you please, you're videos have always been amazing and that drifting is part of the excitement. Those cars are made to be used well, not to go to the grocery store.
I need more & longer CHoC! I'm (getting) quite addicted to these vids.
Porsche held on to the rear engine idea and everyone thought it was crazy Including me ,But it paid off ,Four wheel drive and steering fixes everything ,And its practical its got back seats and if you do not use theme it gives you "UBER" gernan pun Luggage space ,And the boxer engine makes its weight lower than any front mount ,even a subaru with a boxer has its engine mounted higher
Chris you deserve far more fame then any of the top gear presenters! You actually have a talent in motoring journalism!
NOOO CHRIS DON'T CHANGE! Your previous videos are much more vivid, emotional, I love it when you push the cars, skid about (you have some beautiful car control btw) and overall your so called "immaturity" adds this unique flavour to your videos!
Chris, you actually made me smile. The last few words about preferring a 997 Turbo with a manual shift. I own one, have done for 3 years. I love it too. May just squeeze a few dollars out of the wallet and get the ECU done.
Great job by the way, your commentary is entertaining and informative.
Thanks M
Please, show us a full onboard lap of the turbo S, with commentaries on how to attack the different bends!
Thank you for the great review... Waiting for the next one :)
Regards from Madrid!
No Chirs I never tired of GTR comparisons. Keep them coming.
This better be the last video you don't drift like a mad man in. Your drift reviews are my FAVORITE part!!!
im staring to get tired of commenting on how awesome chris is at reviewing cars... im addicted to this drive channel!!!!!!
You are right man, everyone has to agree with you. You also define what a "real" driver is. Thank god for people like you to tell the rest of us how to enjoy our cars.
the seating position in a Porsche is superb. I love the seating feel of the Cayman GT4 and love it over my 2015 GT-R for sure but the power delivery in the GT-R is better from a stop (Of course) and out of corners as well. But the Porsche Feels way Lighter and just as easy to keep in line but without all the weight you feel in the GT-R The Eight of the GT-R does feel safer at speed though whereas the Porsche and most Porsches feel like at any moment you could spin out and die like other light weighted super cars. Nissan should make the next GT-R (R36) with maybe 200-300lbs cut out of it, so that with a driver and a passenger it was 3,800 lbs , it would be awesome! and maybe lower the seating postion as well
IEATPLANETS YESIDO Nissan are yu listening
I'm an ex Top Gear fan from Pakistan and kind of tired of the predictability of Clarkson and Co's reviews. Their shows are verging on the ridiculous of late actually. Chris is smart, knowledgeable and from what I've seen so far, very objective in his reviews.. all things great arent just British. Kudos to him.
Chris Harris is the kind of guy you'd like to be able to call your mate. I like the fact that he doesn't hide the fact that he 'at least' takes notice of comments on youtube.
Interestint that he didnt choose PDK. PDK is a must for that crazy acceöeratkon on the Turbo.
Nice video, as a mature member of your audience I really enjoy your work being more sober from time to time and less monkeying around. Keep doing what you're doing and keep it honest, as long as it's genuine it'll be good.
This is the only channel on youtube that i actually like to ook at the comments on. No one is bashing the other car with stupid ass remarks, no one is commenting with "ferary iz da bom". Only intelligent and productive comments. I love this channel.
What is everyone's obsession with skidding? I enjoy watching it as much as anyone else but I also appreciate a review that shows what these cars do on the track.
I think the best ever video was the one with C63 AMG Black, M3 GTS and the GT3 RS 4.0. There was road driving, there was precision track driving, and there was some drifting. The only weak point was that the video didn't last 1 hour
Agreed. Chris, I salute you for delivering the very car reviews the world needs today!
Why comparing these 2? I'll never understand, sure, they both are 4WD, turbo and have 6 cylinders, but they have nothing more in common! The GTR is build for track use (despite it is only efficient on track for short use.....) and the Turbo is more a GT car, far more comfortable, luxurious and versatile, drive them or take a ride in the passenger seat and you'll understand what I'm saying!
American: BIG, not the best in quality but at least pretty good value for money
Japanese: Efficient, reliable, and always trying to be the best in terms of technical, lacks of soul and fun though.
German: Solid made, high quality interior, precisioon engineering, but could be pricy.
British: Charismatic, traditional ( Doesnt mean conservative), random in terms of quality and technical.
French: Unique, most (Not all) are likely to be soft cars.
Italian: Emotional, but not the most advanced
That used to be the case back in the 60's and 70's, but today a live axle is not as bad as it seems. The GT500 comes from the factory with a panhard bar and a torque arm to keep the axle planted, which actually makes it very comprehensive on a road course, and helps it put down power well. Also, it's not THAT bad on the bumps, its certainly not as good as an IRS. I know this because I drive an 02 Mustang GT and I road race it. :)
Well isn't it fair to say people like Jeremy Clarkson is unfair to Porsche and always has negative things to say about their cars? Chris is a true car reviewer and knows a good car when he drives one.
Chris Harris is the man for proper journalism when it comes to cars!
Awesomesauce as always Mr Harris!
But the audio is a bit funny this week. The mic is picking up your voice very clearly but none of that sweet engine noise. Something to tweak for next week perhaps?
Chris DO NOT listen to people complaining that you drift too much and drive "sensibly".. By all means, indulge in bad behavior. A lot of people can drive a car purposefully and set fast lap times, and yes a lot of people can drift well too, but the it is a heck of a lot more interesting to see cars at the limit going sideways. Maybe somewhere in between will please both extremes? Great video nonetheless. Thank you for what you do Chris.
Wouldn't want to see you do otherwise! Still the best driver/reviews on the net... Keep doing what u do, nobody can even touch your level of driving/talking combination!
this is the second video i watch today where I find someone making a comment about how a dual clutch transmission is not an automatic transmission. IT IS an automatic, because it is AUTOMATICALLY engaging and disengaging the clutch without driver input. it's just that it has a double clutch system as opposed to a single clutch torque converter.
Thanks for the reply! Hmm, I don't think it's a rolex submariner though because the hour markers on the submariner are circles, and his doesn't have circles.
I am sick and tired of people who don't know what an "ad blocker" is (if you really can't take them). Or you could just be good person and realize that by viewing these adds you support Drive.
i agree, it tests all kinds of problems cars have, but aren't these problems indicators of reliability too?
and autobild magazine presents it as a reliability report too. it indicates numbers of malfunctions on each model
I'm not really the biggest fan of either, both impressive no doubt I'd still take a new Cayman over both
It's to indicate they're pulling over to let a faster car pass or about to pull into the pits. It's a courtesy thing to other drivers and makes clear your intentions.
Can't imagine how tight Brand's hatch was for F1 races back in the day, crazy with all that elevation change. Great track for slower cars though
Ah, but it's about two years' worth of rain in said six weeks. It's been silly dry and most of the UK is under drought. This week - and I checked this with a friend who lives there - the weather in Arizona and in Surrey are much the same, the difference being in humidity (higher in Surrey). I like the rain - and rain is good for racing, it's half the fun of the Belgian GP, the best F1 race on the calendar. If it was just hot and dry the whole time, we'd be like dried prunes and very bored.
Your profile pic is epic. Really fooled me for a second there.
At the same time, the GT3/GT3RS is a car one would only use at weekends. The Turbo could be your only car - with the more road-biased setup, it's quieter and more comfortable, it's more tractable thanks to the low-end torque and it can cope with all weather conditions short of two feet of snow. The GT3RS would simply have spun off if driven as hard in such wet conditions as above.
The GT-R is a little more tail happy because its engine is at the front, whereas the 911 has the engine in the back, keeping its rear tyres more planted on a damp circuit.
I really enjoy your videos! Keep it up!
I have a question though, What's your take on the Difference between A Powerslide and a Drift? I'm thinking the latter makes more smoke and is provoked a tad earlier (set up before the corner)
I believe the stats for the Turbo S' acceleration were a bit off. Lots of people have had them run well under 3 seconds to 60.
Love your work man!
Unless people have driven one on a track they really shouldn't be allowed to comment on here or anywhere 😔😔😔
Well said, but I do get the logic in him having a little bit of bias to the benchmark just to be able to compare other supercars nicely.
Great review as always!
I was actually hoping to see some 911 Turbo drifting with Chris and then he goes all nice and tidy...
I drove my friend's Swift the other day (The non sporty model) and I must say, it's very fun to drive for an economy car.
Yup
Because we want to hear what Harris has to say about the cars. Plus, they're not exactly fire-breathing noise-machines. The 997TS especially is very quiet in the cabin and from outside - those big turbos do rather kill the sound compared with, let's say a 997 GTS, which is basically the same engine minus the turbos. The GTR is noisier and accordingly we hear more of it.
Great video! Chris please just do what you want to to do, we watch these videos because we are fans of you.
That being said more slides more GT3's!
Hi mate!
First car : Lancia HF
2; Swift GTI
3; Slk Kompressor
4; Clio RS
and then boring stuff Quattro, CDI, TDI...etc...
The one with best memorys...The Lancia...
Cheers Mate! and spot on !
I drove em both! (ofcourse I didn't, but everybody on youtube has)
I think they are both by far not as good as the brand new Dacia Duster. (will be available from the 1st of November) It actually has 3 petrol options and Diesel.
The GTR only has 1 engine option (with or without any) and the same goes for the 911. Besides the duster has a grippy 4wd system as well..
Mizuno-san has always said that he will constantly evolve the GT-R. Even if its a bit better thats a huge success and to be honest it is an engineering feet to one up the previous iteration. Therefore, marketing excercise or slightly pointless? maybe, but worth it, yes to those who care as much as Mizuno-san does. Fantastic video as always. Wednesday is the new weekend.
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the quality and luxury of the car, which the Porsche has much MUCH more of. They are both great cars, however there is a big difference in what they are meant to do. The Porsche 911 Turbo S is meant to be as fast as possible on twisty, real world roads while still being as comfortable and refined as a Mercedes, while the GTR is meant to be as fast as possible on twisty roads period.
Sorry but that's a bit wrong. It is true that paddle shift gearboxes can automatically shift gears but "automatic gearbox" usually refers to touque converter gearboxes. Dual Clutch transmission is within their own category (DCT for short) and so is automated manual (single clutch gearbox with computer controlled clutch). If a DCT doesn't have an auto shift function you won't call it "manual" either.
For me, Leo and Chris are the core of 'drive'.
Great stuff.
I love both these cars. If I had $100,000 to spare I couldn’t decide to spend it on a GTR or Turbo S.
Let's not forget Chris Harris just likes cars. He rarely bashes on anything. Top Gear is purely about saying British is better, and if not British, Ferrari. I'm American, and it gets old seeing Top Gear hate on everything American, when others like Fifth Gear are less biased. Chris Harris is just plain honest though. Kudos +1.
great review Chris I have to say I agree with your statement about the GT-R track.
Anyone who would buy that just doesn't know what it mean to build your own.
Idk if that's the best analogy....I know they're made to be grippy....My point was simply it's more entertaining to see them sliding around corners on the limit...
Awesome video... I don't mind the "drifting" Chris is often doing, but I won't complain if he is carving an apex either, both are FINE BY ME!
Loving the track comparison
Well, your actually correct, after looking at all the car manufacturers past and present from Britain the vast majority is of the quirky variety. It's just when I think england, I think class and sophistication.
Hey Chris ,
do what you do best.... thrash the cars to the limits of their performance , its what makes you....you.
its what makes it more enjoyable to see..
Cars are meant to be passionately driven and people who can't understand that ...are rather sad. so dont let anyone tell you otherwise. your brilliant with your car reviews and I look forward to your videos the most on Drive.
Cheers!
God
Great job, Chris. DRIVE, maybe crank up the mic on the engine a bit. I'd love to hear the wail of the Turbo S and the vacuum-like suction of the GT-R :-).
I sincerely hope you guys know that a Nissan GT-R is a performance tool and nothing else. It just shows through the car that it was built on a budget and is really not a complete package. Just the NVH in the GT-R compared to the Turbo S is ridiculous. People who say they'd rather have the GT-R over the Turbo S probably haven't even sat in both of them.
WHO is telling you to stop with the gt3 videos?! don't listen to them! it's an awesome car, and the benchmark for sports/super cars!
In general, even with the dual clutch, I'd still take the GT-R over the GT500 for best driver's car, but a manual gearbox is pretty nice. I'm with you on the E46 M3 though, I used to own a 330Ci a few years ago and it was an amazing car,
even without the hooniganism, still a great video! Chris just shows he can be serious and still entertaining!
Porsche is not overpriced. However, the R35 V6 3.8L Twin-turbo engine originates from R34, the predecessor, which uses the I6 2.6L RB26DETT engine. The old Skyline GTR is also AWD and with rear seats of course since it was came out from the Skyline series.
Because they were probably under priced when they originally launched. They now have a very firm foot hold in the market, and the car is respected like crazy everywhere. So they realised the new model can be sold for more, and it is definitely a better car. It hasnt added 20K of value in terms of parts, but the car now fits better into the price range
Track day = on his best behavior
but anyone saying that Harris hooning a car around doesn't show the true capabilities of the car is off their rocker...
true capabilities? what does that even mean? for some of us the most fun to be had behind the wheel, especially on the road, is getting a fistful of opposite lock and sliding as smoothly as possible. when it comes to road cars, I am more interested in how controllable a car is in oversteer situations than hearing about one-off lap times
as always , needs to be longer, soo good!
we say the same thing in different terms i think.
if you have a suspension silent-block broken, you obviously will fail the tuv test because it is a matter of safety right?
but for this silent block to break on a 3 year old car, it means that it is not reliable (unless it was crashed, which would be obvious under the car anyway)
and the same goes with any key part of a car
thats why i say reliability and safety go together
mOnKey never mind the comments - every halfway capable car enthusiast *knows* that drifting is the most fun! Keep the good stuff coming, great job!
This is a damn fine show...love it!
I stand corrected. I wish I could update my posting. But you must admit that Brits do make quirky cars. I loved my Triumph Spitfire and 955i motorcycle. The electrics on British vehicles are enough to make you insane.
As always, outstanding Chris!
I'm not in the "wanna league", I can afford it. What I wrote was I would rather take a GTR than your 930. I'm not even a fanboy, I switched from the Nissan clan to Audi. I just have a ton of respect for the GT-R. It's crazy what they have achieved for a 100k car.
i love the "behind the helmet" cam!
For a future video, how about an episode on Caterhams and what makes them so special?
doesn't really matter that he's a bit off, several magazines got different times, rule of thumb for these cars is about +- .3 seconds
Great video ... Love both cars (... and have one of them). The GTR was developed and made to be a competitor to the Porsche Turbo, so a good match in cars to compare and test. They are very different and that is OK. Each is was it is, and they are great ... both of them.
I'm not sick and tired of no commercials ^_^
In the world I live in, the turbo s is faster than the GTR. That being said, Chris made another excellent review
Screw the haters, drive the cars to their limits. If you have to go sideways to figure out how a car handles on the edge, so be it. This seemed too calm to be Chris Harris.
i forgot about the normal 911 turbo w/ manual. Good call
Awesome as always Chris!
Such a shame your relationship with Ferrari has perhaps, cost us some variation in the cars you're driving. But, still great fun from start to finish.
Chris next time diff the pure life out of whatever yoke it is your in - turn the tyres into greenhouse gases and have her blowing out blue smoke do it for all of us who missed your usual antics this week !!!