CRAZILY PRICED PLUGIN! THE SOFTUBE WEISS DS1 MK3 & MM1
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2024
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I bought it because I didn’t find anything that sounds like it in a positive way. Somehow after really trying to love others, final limiter of choice for me is the ds1. This is one of my desert island plugins.
It has that familiar sound we all know
Genuine review
your ratings are just amazing!!! good save Studio Life
Cheers 👍
they've all also been cracked
and they're great
Bollocks too that ! 😂
Couldn’t agree more 👍🏼
I have it. I bought the MM1, loved it. It didn't have enough control for me so I tried the DS1, loved it, bought it. Use it everyday. To me, It excels at taming frequency ranges on a mix bus. Just sounds better than anything else I've used. Incredible at taming a harsh mix or controlling a low mid heavy mix without losing energy. There's not many (well known) plugins i haven't tried and this just sounded better. I'm happy to pay for that. (I did wait for a sale tho:)
You can just get the compressor section…awesome!
Hey guys, The point you made at 1:40 and 1:50 echoes with the point you made about TBT Cenozoic Compressor in an earlier video, From a developers standpoint who know what it takes to 'square that circle' [pardon the pun] - regarding the price. I love Softube but they can jog the f*** on mate...who am I ...Drake???
Jog the f**k on Softube is our new slogan 👍😂😂
I have both of the ones you didn't mention, the Weiss Deess and the Weiss Compressor/Limiter. (The latter is exactly what you were saying you would have liked to see from the GUI) Still the same coding and are basically the one unit split into 2 for a fraction of the price each. I could upgrade to the full package for £92 which would add both the DS-1 and the MM-1...but I can't see any benefit to getting them besides one being a single plugin and the other being a simplified one. The other 2 are definitely worth a look and about the same price as the MM-1 in the sale.
When is the SSL Link review :P it’s pretty awesome
It’s coming….been using it a lot…👍
I can say without a doubt all of the Weiss Processing gear hardware or plugin is overpriced and the only thing worth considering is the De-esser plugin called Deess. The Weiss MP EQ cramps in the top end like its 1999, the DS-1-Mk3 is a terrible limiter and the Weiss compressor limiter sucks generally with fast attacks or fast releases. I rented the original Weiss-DS1 Hardware years ago and didn't use it again I then immediately bought the SPL 9632 Maximizer as my limiter in the dying days of analog. The Weiss was the Audiophile version of the TC electronics Finalizer but the gear snobs thought because they paid a ransom price for it that it must be good IT WASN'T and still isn't good. The only thing that is worth even considering is the Weiss Deess plugin and then you could get the Sonnox super-esser or Waves Sibilance for the same results! Cheers!
I bought the MM-1 today for $69. Then there is an upgrade path for DS1-MK3 (if you own the MM-1 already) for $185. For that $185 in addition to the DS1-MK3 you also get Weiss Dees and the Weiss Compressor Limiter. So anyway, I'm not sure when you filmed this, but I think, all in all, for what they are, that's fair pricing. I'm super happy with the MM-1 right off the bat already, especially for $69. I'll sit on that and think about whether I want to upgrade. But, eventually, I think I might. Spending $185 to get ALL of that Weiss tech that would have cost like $10k is absolutely ridiculous. Bottom line, the MM-1 sounds and works great. I really like it.
I think you are misstaken. I have the mm1 and eq mp, but still don't get a price as low as 185 for the Weiss complete Collection.
Did you check out the weiss De-esser? Would love to hear your opinion on that ✌
Can’t wait for you guys to try the SSL 360 Link. You won’t mix with plugins the same again.
Been using it all week….review coming 👍
FabFilter does the compression in a line thing since….I think the first line? Ozone 6 I think joined in…
I have been bashed so many times for saying it is utterly ridiculously overpriced for years now. At last somebody else says it out loud
Ok but heres why. The hardware its based on (1:1) is stupidly expensive
@@Rhuggins Agree, Context helps. Just lashing out at prices without context you wouldn't justify anything at all.
@@Rhugginsexactly
You pay for the code…and as a original DS1 and EQ1 hw user…it is totally worth it. It was the gear we wished we had two of, but the moneyyyyy.
@@olivermaier-landshut3047 good for you
Hope you got their free VCA comp! Speaking of de-essers, what are some you really like?
No…we’ll check it out. Love the Waves de-esser…. The fab filter one is good too 👍
@StudioLife101 they made another useful plugins out of that Weiss bundle the Weiss deesser is probably the best one for mastering (I don't count things like Soothe here...)
I agree. MM1 is fantastic, the other one is not worth it. There are so many other options - did buy the MM1 and even to upgrade at €209 it is a pass for me on the "big" one
Hate to admit it, I do have it, but I think I bought a few of the other Weiss plugs and as sales went on I got offered it for a lot less. Plus I was drunk when I bought it 💩. It is very cool sounding but it really is not worth it. The Tokyo Dawn Labs KOTELNIKOV if thats the correct spelling is based on the Weiss and is free. You can buy the whole of Ozone 11 advanced for less and have a substantially better set of mastering tools. Nothing sounds exactly the same but who listening to a song will even give a shit at the end of it. A regretful purchase for me, but from time to time I do get it out and whip it on to to justify a stupid purchase decision, and I might even load up the Weiss.
That’s like a confession….😂Say 12 ‘Hail StudioLifes’ and never pay silly money for plugins again….😂😂
@@StudioLife101 Thats my punishment I guess. I've wasted too much money on plugins. I guess though I've held of on hardware which one pricy box would probably cover most of the plugins I have bought.
@@richertz I’ve overspent on both…😂🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Cracked me up 🤣
jokes aside, You made one of the most cohesive descriptions combined with the right amount of humor. Respect
I got mine on sale at R2R store😂
If you think about it being 1:1 you're actually getting a deal.
I think the idea is that it is the same code as the hardware and they have to pay Weiss a big part of it.
Since Weiss is digital it is all about the code and I guess they see that as a bargain compared to their hardware for people who want to use their own computer instead of a hardware unit. More important reason i think Softube wants to give the impression of uniqueness and exclusivity, that you have to be a real PRO to get it and that's the price of admission to the pro club
As a pro mastering engineer I don’t approve of what is basically price fixing… it’s code…zeroes and ones…they could sell it for less and still make a profit. In 20 years the hardware will still probably work….the plugin will very likely be useless.
@@StudioLife101
I think the same everytime i look at my more than 20 years old hardware.
I guess they have the smaller cheaper version to get the money from both ends. There are companies that inflate the prices to create an artificial prestige, softube and pulsar modular comes to mind
@@peterpeper4837 Just been playing with the new Pulsar Modular Sidecar Plugin….review coming soon.
Google this “Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement v2.1 Moving Coil Cartridge”
Sean stole the show...had me cracking up.
👍😂😂
The bundle is a bargain for what you get at the moment at 50%. Changed the way I mix for the better
used that plug-in huge advantage of the 1st one is got all different side chains and releases times that the maximizer doesn’t have. much better dialed in. but I agree overpriced. I forgot what I paid but have the Weiss for console 1 which is cheaper get same stuff. Very transparent
You just described me!!! 😂😂😂
I bought it during a big sale - I feel your criticism of the price is unfair. This isn’t an emulation that sounds 90% like an expensive, famous piece of audio hardware. It is an exact 1:1 copy.
As mentioned, I did get it during a major sale, and I’ve never run across a limiter or maximizer as smooth and transparent, and as LOUD as the Weiss products. Softube generously lets you try out the product for 14 days before purchasing.
It is pricy but it’s reasonable since it’s an exact copy of a very expensive piece of hardware. Wait for a deal, but Weiss is my favourite by far to get a master loud.
Glad you love it… it is good if you can get it in a sale. But it is software and at full price it is way too expensive! Just don’t expect it to hold value like the investment in hardware can. In 10 years you can sell the hardware but the plugin will probably be worth nothing…💁
@@StudioLife101 I could never afford the hardware version - it’s over $10,000 dollars I believe. I was just watching a mix with the masters where a pro was saying you don’t need new plugins - many old plugins still have value. I hope Weiss will be the same!
Thanks for your reply and your honest reviews! Thought provoking!
It’s a line-by-line code port of the hardware unit that costs £10k, so contextually it’s not a bad price at all. If you were maybe a mastering engineer who was just starting out and looking to get paid for those services, it would probably pay to skip the part where you buy 10 or so bang-average software compressors & limiters through trial and error (we’ve all been there, right?!), and just get this.
Yeah…but hardware retains value and still functions (hopefully) for decades….this will cease to have value in a few short years…
For sure. But think about the example I gave - it’s a low risk way of adding a top-class mastering processor to your toolkit. You’d get a return on your investment after a few paid jobs. You wouldn’t have to fork out the price of a small car for the hardware. And there would be no tangible benefit to having the hardware other than maybe its shelf-life, since this is a 1:1, line-by-line code port of the hardware so shouldn’t in theory perform any differently. I think this is a really interesting and unique plugin, but for quite a small demographic of customers, which consequently is why the majority of people think the price point is ridiculous.
@@scuzz4321 As part of an in-the-box mastering set up….its no bad investment I guess if it’s making an income 👍
Honestly dude, to put it into perspective - If you charge more than fabfilter, you're an actual dick.
Smoothest compression and Linear phase crossover bands I’ve ever heard. Hardly any color so I can see why a lot of people don’t understand why it’s prized. Great at gluing complex program material as well as fixing any dynamics related issues, not as good at artistic production related tasks.
Kotelnikov, Sonoris Compressor, Pro c2 etc etc . Ds1 is not the only clean compressor
I’m surprised you thought I said it was the only clean compressor 🤷🏻♂️ not sure where you got tripped up about that part but maybe read slower next time or something.
@@kylebostick2601 whatever tickles your fancy. You the best
@@kylebostick2601 ok 🤭
@@kylebostick2601 „tripped up“? "read slower“? Not sure what to say to this but ok i guess.
Your words "Smoothest compression and Linear phase crossover bands I’ve ever heard“ the part „i`ve ever heard“ can be either a euphemism, showing how much you like it or a Hyperbole.
So i interpreted it as a claim that it does something „amazing" and as contrast i suggested two plugins and now Powair by Soundradix comes to mind that are alll at least in the same ballpark and there are more than these plugins out there probably. Ah! Also Amek Comrpessor is at the same level. I see many people talking about the weiss series as if time stood still since they came out which is a bit like saying that a supercar of the 90`s was the "best and realest“ and never surpassed. Its a philosophical question at times.
If somebody would tell me today that the weiss would give them an advantage that is irreplaceable in order to achieve a stellar mix or master and after having tried them i would say i strongly disagree and that the price is ridiculous.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Dont have to agree its all good.
I have been using this compressor since it came out though I got it on 50% discount
I have some of the best compressors out there
Unisum
Pulsar modular P11 abyss
Cenozoix
Acustica Coral
Fabfilter pro C
Amek mastering compressor
A few outboard compressors
Teggler crème
Wes Audio NG bus
Manley variable mu
I can tell you I’m always looking to hate this plug in and kick it off my mixes because of its price!
But when AB-ing with the same setting or even setting that favor the other compressors
There is NOT ONE OF them that can keep the clean clear and open nature of your mix while bringing it together tightening and the over used term glue so effortlessly
And the only one that is software that can compress -6db and still sound pristine
I sometimes feel this compressors sounds as 3d as my outboard gear but really it’s compressors so clean and keeping things so clear that I’m just being duped by the clarity.
Once you really understand all the features of the plug in it really is hard to beat
And I’ve come to the conclusion recently that it’s really worth the price considering you get a baby version of it, the mastering maximizer, and the deesser
3 plug ins that can easily go for 2-300 together and I use all of them all the time (the deesser is definitely the best deesser out there)
The only people thinking it’s over priced is people who haven’t extensively used it
It beats my hardware or equals them on many occasions or I’m just using in conjunction with them.
Have a chat with @joesalyers …his comment (see above somewhere) tends to disagree…
I've owned the DS1 plugin for years until it got dethroned by my Massenberg MDWDRC2. Never thought that would be possible.
@@StudioLife101 cause some one disagrees does not mean it’s a fact lol and I don’t know if that person even owns the plug in and I don’t know if even you guys extensively used it
There’s been tons of plug ins I’ve overlooked based on a few uses. There’s so much plug in saturation in the market plus the bias for certain sounds we all inherently have.
What you may see is not worth it may be because you
-You don’t understand a plug in …something I’ve seen even from Grammy winning and or so called RUclips Engineers Alike.
-You have a sound bias or bias for what ever reason that you have created.
Or simply put as some RUclips engineers who review stuff simply are being assholes and want to create an image of elitism by hating things..
I can name you a shit Ton of engineers especially some I learned from who get the value of this plug in
There are at least 3 youtubers off the top of my head who all use this plug in and speak of just how good it is. People who have walkthroughs or comparisons but most importantly
People who put it through its paces and have extensively used it!
But to each it’s on 😎 one man’s garbage is another man’s treasure
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@@ctatrains gotta try it! I’ll def take a look
@@StudioLife101 also you do understand that the guys comment you liked above is for a single compressor plug in that cost 400 US dollars 😐 this is how I know you guys are just looking for people to agree. hence your reply your video literally complaining about the price! When there are 4 plug ins in the whole of the bundle that you claim is over priced…. 4 plug ins !😐😕 which you don’t fully state in this review 😐
I am never ever gonna pay 500$ for a plugin. I don't care how good it sounds
I like your videos, but the color grading is difficult to get used to.
There's no real colour grading...my studio has film lighting installed and we shoot 4k log footage which is then graded to match Rec709 standards.👍
@@StudioLife101 Since there's no post-grading the reason is an easy fix; the white balance in the camera is off. +5 temperature and +30 tint gave the same result and removed the green hue.
@@jonl.b7168 Jesus....you a video professional? We like it looking like this...😂 👍
@@StudioLife101 Haha, just a bit more interested in it than most. If you want it like that then all good, it's a bit like the color grading in the Matrix! ;)
@@jonl.b7168 Dan's Neo's uncle....😂
Tried the demo, liked the demo, didn't have the money.
I have it & I love it (d'you want to buy it off me?)😜
😂
Common sense rides again ❤
Weiss compressor mk3 is excellent - you really have no idea what your talking about - the mm1 is total crap - you really have no idea
I think he thinks we really have no idea….
@@StudioLife101 if you cannot see that the true weiss mk3 the highest level compressor out there and that the softubes 'invented 'limiter is crap then you dont really know what your talking about ...
@@justinb9387 Trust your ears 👂👍