Think Undead would move up or there would be any big changes to this list after the fear/root changes? I'm trying to decide on alternatives to Orc for my WW and Demo lock, though Orc might really need to be my call for Demo.
My hunter is a Zandalari troll, and before this patch the combo of Survival Tactics full cleanse into a regenerate behind a pillar, was pretty legit... Now... Eeeh.
Marksmanship Dark Iron Dwarf. You can Feign Death then immediately use the racial and it’s like how Feign Death used to work basically. You’ll get a massive damage spike against those pesky Aff Locks too
seems unlikely. what could you dispel (consistently) that would lead to a kill? a BOP/spell BOP? lifebloom? there's a reason the overwhelming majority of rets above 2400 are human or dark iron (source: pvpleaderboards)
agreed with play what you like, if you don't like vulpera and demo is SSSS tier its still not a good pick but I kinda disagree with the second part, the worse you are the more clutch a racial can be. like oops I just got stunned without trinket, thank god its 1s less and I can save that dude in the nick of time even though I trinketed a 1 second blind a second later not playing optimally and still having the advantage of a second trinket or another cc/burst can be big
@@tolginyoo ofc it matters,it s a third Vanish,yet even though is so strong if you don't like the Race,maybe you horde,so atleast pick what you like right?or just for the sake of an edge you would go with something you dislike just for that?
KT seems like a kill setup...get them out in the open into a long stun...Zandalari possibilities...monk teleport heal or maybe lock or rogue...anything that can vanish and hide just for a few secs.
The main thing you need for a Z.Troll is a full cleanse, Dots are what always stopped me. Hunter had really nice Survival Tactics > regen > restealth combo it could do. Now my Z.Troll has 0 value, since they gutted Survival Tactics.
I don’t want to feel like I have to go Nelf on my Druid. Having a vanish is so strong though, I can’t pass it up. I’d probably be a Tauren if I was horde though, maybe troll.
I switch from Tauren to Night Elf for arena, and I'm so glad I did. It's insane how important Meld is for Drinks or ingnore spell cast on you. Makes me annoyed i played Tauren for so long too....
@@jayfedder1578 like what lol? Its so easy to gear up and play. This is the most alts I've ever had playing wow because it's so easy to hop in. Racials are already in the game, if people can't handle a couple extra choice nodes then they need to play something else.
@@atarri3494 It’s gotten a lot better I can’t deny that but I still think it should be easier to play every class without so much gearing and levelling and capping every week etc. I have like 6 capped this week, I would still love to do more tho in less time. Especially for seasoned players I think they should just be able to make a toon n play it right away basically
Dark Flight would be absolutely *amazing* if only it had something like a root break or root immunity mechanic to it. Alas, it's a pretty mediocre racial as is.
Racials need a big overhaul. They should remove the race bonuses and put them all in a pool where you have to choose when you create a class. It sucks that you have a disadvantage when you favor a race optical wise. When they put "diversity" on their banner then remove such restrictions.
i'm stuck with not one but two belf DHs bc i refuse to give blizz any money to race change and i already burnt all my gold power leveling 2 of each class lol so i guess i'll be a slightly less effective DH
Breaking stuns is really good. Human will always be S as long as it has that. Dying in a stun is still the main cause of death for most players I would say.
Remove combat related racials from the game Blizzard! Blizz isn't competent/care enough to balance them properly. When are the devs going to learn that the choice between Will of the Forsaken or Warstomp for example, is a cool RPG choice to make, but that pales in comparison to the value that every player could pick their race solely based on what they actually want to play...
do you think 90% of players being human, orc, night elf or forsaken is less boring? To me racial diversity in an MMO seems to be the opposite of boring@@panumattila1253
i will always play Belf, because removing BoP/Alter time from paly/mages is the best feeling ever even the anti-kick on paly and then actually kicking them hahahah they NEVER expect that and just totally freeze xD
The original silence effect on AT was *WAY* better. It only got taken away because the devs decided it was "overperforming" in the MDI that hardly anyone even cares about. 🙄
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the 5% movement speed from Zand Troll stacks with other speed buffs and works in BGs meaning as a flag carrier cat/travel form is mount speed
I like them style alone best as druids for Horde.
Orc best for shadow priest as you'll be trained 99% of the time
Think Undead would move up or there would be any big changes to this list after the fear/root changes? I'm trying to decide on alternatives to Orc for my WW and Demo lock, though Orc might really need to be my call for Demo.
Which fear/root changes?
@@damianone4404 I believe 10.2.5 doubled the amount of damage that it takes to break fear/roots. Allows dots to continue without breaking either.
@@Darksideofamoon777 thanks Buddy :)
Doesn’t dwarf have the Crit bonus that Tauren have?
Yes
My hunter is a Zandalari troll, and before this patch the combo of Survival Tactics full cleanse into a regenerate behind a pillar, was pretty legit... Now... Eeeh.
is shadowmeld changed or something ?
Marksmanship Dark Iron Dwarf. You can Feign Death then immediately use the racial and it’s like how Feign Death used to work basically. You’ll get a massive damage spike against those pesky Aff Locks too
Wayyy too long of a cd to treat it like old FD rofl
Except it's 2min cd and puts your trinket on cd
can you make a shadowmeld guide?
As a Ret pala playing BElf is def higher than C tier. Got so many wins cause of the purge, would say it to be B+ perhaps tho, not much higher
seems unlikely. what could you dispel (consistently) that would lead to a kill? a BOP/spell BOP? lifebloom? there's a reason the overwhelming majority of rets above 2400 are human or dark iron (source: pvpleaderboards)
I went Dark Iron Dwarf from Night Elf on my Hunter because of the feign death nerf and i feel i do a noticable amount more damage.
Its a feign death buff but whatever you do you
troll was really cool for surv hunter anti root and haste
Regular dwarf got 2% crit dmg and healing so in long term for arena is kinda bonus dmg
Only play Races that you like,or the lore you enjoy,unless you are top Pvp Ladder,the races don't matter that much.Dope Video as always Supa:D
agreed with play what you like, if you don't like vulpera and demo is SSSS tier its still not a good pick
but I kinda disagree with the second part, the worse you are the more clutch a racial can be.
like oops I just got stunned without trinket, thank god its 1s less and I can save that dude in the nick of time even though I trinketed a 1 second blind a second later
not playing optimally and still having the advantage of a second trinket or another cc/burst can be big
Lol races dont matter that much? Shadowmeld, orc racial? Game changers to anyone who isnt extremely bad.
@@Kingkongmental bro,you pay them for the game time,play what you like
then you haven't played as a night elf rogue or night elf druid. it's day and night. it matters way more than you think.
@@tolginyoo ofc it matters,it s a third Vanish,yet even though is so strong if you don't like the Race,maybe you horde,so atleast pick what you like right?or just for the sake of an edge you would go with something you dislike just for that?
So stuck between Panda, Troll, or Tauren for my Shadow Priest. Anyone??
I love the female trolls, style, animations and tattoos, but rolled a Maghar. Now I regret it a little but could still roll another.
KT seems like a kill setup...get them out in the open into a long stun...Zandalari possibilities...monk teleport heal or maybe lock or rogue...anything that can vanish and hide just for a few secs.
The main thing you need for a Z.Troll is a full cleanse, Dots are what always stopped me.
Hunter had really nice Survival Tactics > regen > restealth combo it could do.
Now my Z.Troll has 0 value, since they gutted Survival Tactics.
@@Bladius_ I dont play much hunter, but could you camo, hide via LOS and then regen? Or maybe rogue, CoS, vanish, pick a spot, regen?
@@keats27 you can potentially do a lot of things, but you want a racial that is universally good in all situations and doesn't need any prerequisites.
I don’t want to feel like I have to go Nelf on my Druid. Having a vanish is so strong though, I can’t pass it up.
I’d probably be a Tauren if I was horde though, maybe troll.
I switch from Tauren to Night Elf for arena, and I'm so glad I did. It's insane how important Meld is for Drinks or ingnore spell cast on you. Makes me annoyed i played Tauren for so long too....
What do you mean by cross faction play ?
You can play Horde and Alliance in one group
Races are no longer faction-locked in competitive PvE and PvP.
Night elf has hands that are too large, it makes me laugh when I see them. But yeah, we need vulpera demon hunters as an option.
Aug is crazy fun
NEED A RACIAL TALENT TREE..
Get exalted with said faction.. learn their ways.. unlock their racial option.. that's all..
Def not a bad idea.
That's actually a great idea
This sounds like an awful idea. There’s way too much shit in the game already that you needa do before you can just play
@@jayfedder1578 like what lol? Its so easy to gear up and play. This is the most alts I've ever had playing wow because it's so easy to hop in. Racials are already in the game, if people can't handle a couple extra choice nodes then they need to play something else.
@@atarri3494 It’s gotten a lot better I can’t deny that but I still think it should be easier to play every class without so much gearing and levelling and capping every week etc. I have like 6 capped this week, I would still love to do more tho in less time. Especially for seasoned players I think they should just be able to make a toon n play it right away basically
Worgen Warrior works out better than Draenei warrior in my opinion. That one sprint can really change a few outcomes and come in clutch.
Gnomes too
Dark Flight would be absolutely *amazing* if only it had something like a root break or root immunity mechanic to it.
Alas, it's a pretty mediocre racial as is.
Racials need a big overhaul. They should remove the race bonuses and put them all in a pool where you have to choose when you create a class. It sucks that you have a disadvantage when you favor a race optical wise. When they put "diversity" on their banner then remove such restrictions.
I wish the Forsaken were better for warriors. Love the way they look in plate.
Yeah. When it comes to min/max WAR, there are *MUCH* better options than Forsaken.
Blizz: *"ZOMG NERF IT TO THE GROUND RIGHT NOW!!!"* 😠😡👿💥
Blizz: *"w/e I sleep now..."* 🥱🛌😴😪
I want to make a lightforged draenei but the racial is a joke
If you can't stand the animations or like another race more, that's the way to go.
Bull rush From high mountain Tauren is clutch as a disc priest.
why
@@Keylandors Knockdown and move/push. But the style cow in robes, IDK.
i'm stuck with not one but two belf DHs bc i refuse to give blizz any money to race change and i already burnt all my gold power leveling 2 of each class lol so i guess i'll be a slightly less effective DH
racial tier list! Awesome!
I play Blood Elf DH because Nelfs are UGLY and looking good while you play is more important than winning.
😂 love it
I love Double Purge
Night Elves are a savage race. Blood Elfs waft their own farts. You chose the wrong race.
@@akirameru675 Cope harder, uggo.
Nelfs girls are more sexy
+1
i tested cross-fraction party yesterday, it doesn't work 😢
?? Yes it does, it just has to be rated or mythic 0 or non lfr raid to not be hostile
Awesome vid, hope you do the female version next
Void Elf Bis for Hunters, why? Cos i look goodd
I play zandalari cause I have cool shorts
You should have just named this tierlist “Shadowmeld and all of its bitches”
How it feels. As shadowmeld is way too powerful in pvp. Eacaping an aimed shot, or using it for capture the flag bgs is insane.
NELF is a boss race IMHO
Correct.
Lol Supatease as always tripping - Human S tier with 1,5 min. trinket. What is he smoking?
Breaking stuns is really good. Human will always be S as long as it has that. Dying in a stun is still the main cause of death for most players I would say.
Paladin in ZT. I press Bubble and then racial Regen on the face of entire RBG team and boom. This combo is perfect. ZT ftw for Ret Pala ❤
nah just run human and go double dps trinkets you'll swing
Remove combat related racials from the game Blizzard!
Blizz isn't competent/care enough to balance them properly.
When are the devs going to learn that the choice between Will of the Forsaken or Warstomp for example, is a cool RPG choice to make, but that pales in comparison to the value that every player could pick their race solely based on what they actually want to play...
Any class/spec combo can get glad, this is for the giga minmaxxers
Bad idea. That would be boring af
do you think 90% of players being human, orc, night elf or forsaken is less boring? To me racial diversity in an MMO seems to be the opposite of boring@@panumattila1253
Human should be buffed to 1 min cd with trinket
xD
No.
Alliance: S+A, Horde: B-Z
OK. Whatever *that* is supposed to mean.
season 3 pvp is just... bad. Dead game come 11/30
i will always play Belf, because removing BoP/Alter time from paly/mages is the best feeling ever
even the anti-kick on paly and then actually kicking them hahahah they NEVER expect that and just totally freeze xD
I miss their old racial more personally.
The original silence effect on AT was *WAY* better. It only got taken away because the devs decided it was "overperforming" in the MDI that hardly anyone even cares about. 🙄
go gnome or go home!
This game is dead
It's still *very* much alive and thriving, actually. It's not "dead" just because you say so. You're not *nearly* that important.