Elden Ring Lore - Smithing Master Hewg & The Misbegotten
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Sit in with us while we discuss Smithing Master Hewg & The Misbegotten. This is our first video delving into any theory-crafting, so let us know your thoughts in the comments.
I feel like there’s three options for which god Marika wanted Hewg to forge a weapon to kill -
-Marika herself, so she could be free from her imprisonment.
-Radagon, because he was the part of Marika that was still fiercely loyal and obedient to the Greater Will.
-The Greater Will itself.
In any case, the fact that Marika was rebelling against the Greater Will and the Golden Order is clear.
I think it's probably Elden Beast because after killing him the message that appears on screen is GOD SLAIN
It’s to kill outer gods, the fingers wanted to replace Marika and she didn’t like that there’s a whole lore about it
As i see it, after the Gloam-eyed Queen was defeated and the Rune of Death ended up in the hands of the Golden Order, making everyone, especially Marika's family/lineage, immortal, she wanted to have a weapon that would've been able to slay other outer gods, further solidifying her hegemony and that of the Greater Will
The 3 options you listed are really all the same . There is only one answer.
All of the above. To kill the Elden beast you HAVE to kill Marika and by default Radagon.
To kill one means you kill ALL.
Marika wants us to struggle for eternity and continue advancing even if it means using herself and her children as stepping stones. That's why its implied she commissioned her own son's demise and shattered the elden ring, even the elden beast's demise probably isn't her end goal. I don't think she has a clear end goal beyond wanting to create individuals who can surpass herself, that's why she has the greatest of expectations for the tarnished since their strengths are inherently their own instead of being blessed.
The misbegotten in Castle Morne aren't attacking their masters simply of their own volition. They're doing it thanks to the interference of The Frenzied Flame and Shabriri. Irina specifically mentions a mad "howling" that marked the beginning of their bloody betrayal of their masters. That mad howling is the Howl of Shabriri. This is also why there are numerous Misbegotten in the Castle that, like the ones in the Haligtree, are sitting crouched on the ground with their hands clenched and their heads hung low in shame, because they regret what they did in their bout of rage-fueled madness.
I like this theory but if they were truly under the influence of the frenzied flame they'd have bright yellow eyes indicating this would they not?
@@square-table-gaming we're seeing them all in the aftermath. we don't actually come across any scenes of misbegotten hearing the howling that causes the madness in them. we always encounter them well after the rioting and death have taken place. either way, we would have to stretch incredibly hard in order to ignore all the context created by the specific word choice in irina/hyetta's lines.
Dumb theory. You know nothing.
@thall y this guy 100% looks like a scaly misbegotten irl 😂
Anger and regret is specifically mentioned in the grafted sword greatsword
I kept stalling progress on my 2nd playthrough at the fire giant, even wrong warping into farum azula and stopping before malikeith just to see what value I could squeeze from my game. All these time hewg had no further dialogue until I finally spoke to Melina at the giants' firepot and told her to wait, then hewg immediately asked if I had second thoughts and wanted to speak to me more.
The both of them are definitely in cahoots with each other.
This is a great find!
Finally someone made a lore video about the misbegotten! Great job. I was genuinely curious about them. Knew of the cruicible and how it gave them horns, wings, scales and tails like the Cruicible knight and the slavery in Morne but that was all I could find. Keep up the great work
I would’ve thought that the reason Radahn has a crucible knight and a leonine misbegotten would’ve been because Radahn saw their worth as warriors. Maybe the misbegotten because of his red mane and ferocity, the crucible knight due to their service in Godfrey’s reign.
If they were in his service before he lost his mind this is a great theory.
Radahn doesnt seem like a man who would discriminate and share in his stepmother and fathers scorn
@@dyppityjoop5912 for real
Radahn is a Carian. People from Liurnia r less prejudiced than the Erdtree-worshippers. Plus, Radahn was a Godfrey fanboy so he was probably stoked about having one of Godfrey's old knights in his army
Hewg is such a good boi. I wish there was an alternate ending where we could save him and rodericka and just send them somewhere nice 😭
Dream squad. We, hewg, rodericka and boc
He’s just a dummy who smiths that’s all he’s good for
@pedro Tavares you can save boc by using the prattling pate "you're beautiful" it reminds him of his mother and he doesn't have the larval tear option anymore
@@NievesTheWitch yeaah, its pretty much the only quest to end in a good way. Miyazaki is a crazy genius tbh, one would assume that giving away a larval tear was the sacrifice to have a good ending, but you actually lose one and more importantly lose boc . Im happy that we can save him, he is so wholesome
@@kevinvolchok14 I love boc so much! When I was told what would happen to him in the end if you went far enough for him to ask for the larval tear, I marched my booty straight to the hermit village, way under leveled, to save him with the prattling patte
I think Marika instructed Hewg to craft a Godslaying weapon to kill the Elden Beast. She saw the parasitic nature of the Erdtree and decided to rebel against the Greater Will. In the final fight against the Elden Beast, we see dozen of Erdtrees in the background. I believe these trees represent the Erdtrees the Greater Will sent out to other worlds or places. The Greater Will sent the Elden Beast in a falling star to the Lands Between.. whose to say it didn't send out hundreds.. or even thousands?
Elden beast is a seed monster lol
But Maliketh saw that as a betrayal (as a shadow gifted by the two fingers), defeated her, the Gloam Eyed Queen, and sealed her rune of death in his body.
Thats my head canon xD
The Stars are separate and distinct, I think, from the Golden Order and the Greater Will.
@@kscott2655 You may be right but the Elden Beast is explicitly said to have come down in a star.
@@jonnymario771 That's actually a really interesting theory, tbh...
I agree, I think hewg's sin was that he crafted the black daggers that killed Godwyn.
In a way I almost feel like marika shattering the elden ring and asking hewg to Smith a weapon to fell a god, was a form of suicide? In my subjective opinion it seems like even if marika didn't have a set plan she put into motion a few ways that the golden order could be destroyed and she could be slain and released from he role as the bearer of the elden ring
Subjective opinion is redundant
@@rushpatriot2866 being pedantic in youtube comments is also a pretty redundant thing to do but here you are, at least mine was about the video
@@bobjim245 well played! Lmao
Another small thing. Malekith too is a beast and when he dies he asks us "Witless Tarnished... Why covet Destined Death? To kill what?". And Hewg loses his memory when Malekith dies. Somehow it's connected, I just don't see how.
Since destined death was unleashed, maybe hewg was lifted of his curse?
That line is so bad ass
@@jonnymario771 but hewg didn't die, he had lost his mind
@@Lo-bp3zn Godwyn didn't die either
Malekith is once again, part of Marika. All the gods(demigods) had a beastly shadow that serves them loyally. Ranni has Blaidd for example. So perhaps, maybe it was just a final cry of Marika? Given she still has her own wants to kill the outer god(s). But idk.
Glad I clicked on this video. The "slave freeing their master" is super poetic and most likely the intention from miyazaki.
I don't know about what you say that Marika shatters the elden ring short after the death of Goldwyn. Rogier says that the murder happened "long before the shattering of the Elden Ring". The timeline in this game is so confusing
I too thought that Hewg was an omen due to the Omen set and the Omen Bairn descriptions mentioning cut-off horns like Hewg's,
This crossed our minds as well but his legs and back are clearly those of a misbegotten.
Forgot where I read it, but misbegottens are to demi humans what omens are to humans, same curse on different species
@@李飛飛大燒B interesting, I'd love to find the lore that points to this because that would make Boc even more of an anomaly
@@李飛飛大燒B I think the misbegotten ashes meant that their anomalies came from the crucible.
I always thought he was one of the mine / underground dudes instead of a misbegotten. Guess I never looked at his model in enough detail.
Marika kinda pisses me off.. shes got no problem fighting multiple wars to bring the Lands Between under the Golden Order and the Greater Will.. but as soon he son gets killed and the GW dosn't/couldn't save him, NOW shes got a problem with the GW and wants to rebel against it. It stinks of hypocrisy.
Yes
She evil af boi
Some speculate that she turned against the Greater Will before that. That the reason she removed Destined Death in the first place was to starve it of the souls it feeds on when people die. Then she saddled Maliketh with it so that her shadow would be nice and far away so that if the 2-Fingers got wise they couldn't send him against her.
Actually there are some videos with theories claiming that Marika orchestrated Godwyn's death. According to the in-game lore, the Black Knife Assassins had close ties to Marika, and came from the same homeland as her. We can confirm their ties and origins, but whether Marika truly had any direct or indirect involvement is still up in the air. It does look sus though.
Also if this theory is true, then the betrayal that happened to Maliketh (the game never explained what the betrayal really was) would make sense, that Marika leaked out the location of the death rune to the assassins, without Maliketh knowing.
Love the thought about Raani asking Hewg to make the weapon for her.
Greg accepts us as his Elden lord and wants us to use his weapon to end the golden order
Hewg*
Merika: Hewg! Get in the fucking Roundtable!
I wanted to help Hewg. Roderika sounds so disappointed in me every time I go for spirit tuning.
And here I thought Hewg was an Omen. Great video! I would love a video about the Revenants and the lesser ones you mostly find oh Liurnia.
Why always sadness
Hey, well done. Hewg is such an endearing guy. How he finally sees our Tarnished as a Lord is very wholesome.
Would absolutely love a misbegotten related DLC someday wonder what it would be like tho?
Idk, rannis war counselor was also a blacksmith
He is, but he cannot hfully upgrade your weapons in game
@@square-table-gaming But he did make his own Nokron style mirror helm, and the Black Knives were clearly based on Nokron's Finger Slaying Blade. Perhaps Ranni recruited them both, to help her create those, Hewg for his mastery of refining weapons, and Iji for his knowledge of ancient Nox forging techniques.
I have been so curious about the Misbegotten. Their creepy ass faces remind me of the Smiling Titan.
Just finished this last night with my fiancé and I had tons of questions about him. This helped. I’m gonna watch the other videos.I got the frenzy flame 🔥 ending. I’m gonna do it again soon and see what I get..
I belive there a special dialogue with hewg if you have the godslayer great sword equipped
You started this war, plunged the lands between into caos. Now the empire is gonna put you down, and restore the piece.
I like master height, his hard work is smithing weapons for us to slay marika and radagon, I'm like in ur honor hewg I will eliminate marika and radagon and become the elden lord
I don't think Melina is Marikas daughter....
There seems to be some lore pointing to great runes being entity's. I think Melina is the daughter of Destined Death, who is also probably the gloom-eyed queen.
Marika slew the Gloam Eyed Queen and took destined death from her, giving it to maliketh for safekeeping. Ergo she was a goddess of the Crucible Age, which was overthrown by Marika and the Greater Will.
Question. Who is the cold witch tho.? I have a theory that the gloat eyed( aka dusk eyed queen) is also the cold witch
How did ranni know to kill godwyn? Why was it godwyn who was killed and not marika?
@@kingfatty_sea5885 Ranni's intentions were to kill Marika. Look at the Mimic veil item description. It appears when Marika took the form of Radagon in order to leave the capital and Fight/fall in love with Renalla she would have Godwyn take her form using the veil and stay at the capital in her stead. So Godwyn was killed by accident.
@@SouthernEngineering24 OK!! Thank you that’s what I’m talking about. My next question is why were mohgwyn and morgott born omen? Is Godfrey really their father? Or is godwyn really their mother???! Inter family relations are a theme in George r Martina writings sooooo
I think the 3 crucible talismans all reflect a part of the misbegotten
08:18 - This "Dont you think?" was very ... VaatiVidya. I think i heard him saying same words in the same tone. =)
Unintentional, but super honored by the comparison
I need to say something. You know how in DS1 everyone was saying "Solaire is Gwyn's first son!" And then we all looked like fools in DS3 because turns out it was the Nameless King we had never heard of before all along. In Elden Ring I feel like that phrase is "Melina is Marika's daughter". And then in Shadow of the Erdtree we learn that Melina's mother was at the foot but in the Shadow of the Erdtree we didn't know of all along 😂
Another possibility is that the smith's task to forge another Godkilling Blade is that Queen Marika knew it was only possible with a Dragon Stone and as such it was meant as an unending and impossible task, similar to the punishment she bestowed upon the Fire Giant.
I believe Merika wanted a weapon capable of killing Raddagon because after usurping Limuria, he was likely doing the same thing in Lyndel. Even thought Raddagon is Merika, they're not the absolute same and as we see in the end, Raddagon had displaced Merika in body and mind.
You just misspronounced every name possible bruh
I dont think she could kill radagon without killing herself.
Radagon IS Marika. Its my theory that Marika would use Radagon's form to leave the Capital and fight/search around the lands between. While she was gone she would employ her son Godwyn to use mimics veil to take on her form in her stead. Thus the mimic veil being known as Marikas Mischeif. Ranni's night of black knifes was intended to kill Marika but intead got Godwyn. Which obviously caused the shattering and also caused the black knife assasins to feel tricked by Ranni.
@@SouthernEngineering24 Very good point.
@@SouthernEngineering24 not how that works, Radagon has his own will, him and Marika are very different people who are also one.
You also somewhow didn't mention that aside from being a misbegotten, hewg also has growing horns like that of the omens cursed blood.
Not sure if it means anything, but no other misbegotten has those
Horns are just another sign of the primordial crucible. It likely doesn't mean anything significant as any lifeform tied to the crucible has the potential to grow horns.
I truly sympathize with the misbegotten but at the same time they've obviously become completely and utterly consumed with the need for bloody revenge and as such not only attack the guilty but the innocent as well for simply wandering into their path. Honestly so tragic considering they're acting exactly how their former masters would of imagined them to act if freed instead of rising above their no doubt justifiable rage and showing those who cruelly shackled them that they are not the beastly ones and in fact it is them and always has been. That would of stung more than any blade..
What's very interesting is that not all of the misbegotten are onboard with this revenge. You can find multiple misbegotten cowering and covering their heads in Castle Morne.
@@square-table-gaming Wow that just shows you they're exactly like humans except for their physical appearance which makes it even worst that humans in the lands between simply stood aside and allowed the Golden order to enslave those who are so closely related to them. Also funny enough my favorite characters in the entire game are master Hewg and Boc the seamster cause they are so pure hearted and kind despite living in a world that constantly reminds them they don't belong.. 😭
I'd be nice if all the peoples who don't fit into the Golden Order could live that way, but in the end even Fia has custom death spells for killing Fundamentalist Tarnished, so she can protect those under her care.
So a lot of this was nice to learn but I still had one question. Why are there so many Misbegotten praying in both Leyndell and the Haligtree? You would think they'd despise the Erdtree and Haligtree. Maybe these are still willing slaves?
There's definitely many that did not revolt. You can find them bowing in castle Morne. They also may be praying to the primordial crucible.
@@square-table-gaming Would be interesting if they had a warped view of the Erdtree, seeing it as the Crucible since the majority if not all of them were most likely not alive during the time of the Crucible. I also just remembered that in Leyndell there are a couple Perfumers with the Misbegotten praying at the grave, giving more evidence that Perfumers are trying to help them.
They're praying for forgiveness. Their rage and bestial nature are exploited by Shabriri, you can intuit this from Irina's account of the Misbegotten's slaughter of their masters when you meet her for the first time. Irina and her father Edgar are integral to the Frenzied Flame questline, and when recounting the slaughter at Castle Morne, Irina distinctly makes note of having heard a mad "howling". She's talking about the Howl of Shabriri. As beasts and slaves, the Misbegotten were perfect targets for Shabriri to use in order to cause chaos. This is why they slaughter their masters and then pray with their hands clenched, they're begging for forgiveness.
@@fastamonkey8218 You could very well be right about this, I seem to remember seeing somewhere that the Erdtree sits on the very same spot where the crucible was supposed to be located but I could be mistaken
Is there any reason to think that Hewg is not only a Misbegotten, but also a bearer of the Omen Curse?
You mean because of the horns? Could be, the other "normal" misbegotten are more feathery, I think? Would need to look at them again to confirm tho.
On the other hand he does look rather un-omenlike with only a few horns, Not sure if halfbreeds are possible (misbegotten being linked to the crucible and the Omen to failed Reinkarnation)
@@-_-5470 I've always wondered where Morgott got his tail and the wings under his rags. Seems like Omen and Misbegotten aren't mutually exclusive.
i do question why Marika’s resentment would build against the Greater Will because of her daughterniece actively defying the Greater Will?
The greater will is supposed to be all knowing. In Marika's eyes it should have stopped the plot.
I hesrd the reason for marika causing the shattering to strength the people of the lands between through adversity, same reason she banished godfry and the tarnished
I dont think marika chained hewg because he Craft the weapons that killed godrick as a punishment. But because she Saw how good he was, and could use him to forge a weapon to kill the elden beast,
Please make a lore video about wormfaces.
Who was the green eyed spirit tuner Hewg mentioned seeing long ago i wonder?
Probably the same person who gave Ranni that Spirit Calling Bell.
So what's the deal with the "sheer terror of her" line of dialogue?
Marika was unbelievably strong with the power of the elden ring. I imagine being not only a servant, but a slave under her would be terrifying.
@@square-table-gaming ah, I see! Thank you for clearing that up, I've been captivated by that line, he seems so unemotional, for lack of a better word, until he says that. That totally makes sense, thank you
Yesssss thanks
Golden order = slaves and worse forever
Frenzied flame = pain then reset then who knows
@0:43 War from Darksiders?
Cool lore.😺
It's got a nice ring to it, an Elden ring😎 YYYOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW
Is Hewg a misbegotton or omen?
Misbegotten, the biggest sign of this is his legs
I thought Iji forged the Black Knives?
It's likely he did not forge the weapon that killed godwyn as in-game he is not capable of forging weapons to their top tier, or "god slaying" level. Our thought is that this is intentional as Fromsoftware often hides story elements in gameplay mechanics.
@@square-table-gaming wow very nice facts, thought the same question
Great video but could barely hear you
It's soooooo quiet...
what's this "nice ring to it" about a slave saving his master from captivity? that hit me weirdly when I heard it. Definitely didn't have a "nice ring to it" .
only meant to imply it was interesting from a storytelling perspective that Marika now had to rely on someone she abused to be her salvation.
Marika: no one shall die
Ranni: lol no
Godwyn: *dies*
Ranni: *also dies but not rly*
Marika: *rages* FU Greater Will imma destroy this thang for lettin her kill mah pretty boi!
GW: wait, what? how tf dat my prob?!
Radagon: dw imma fix it
Radagon: ...
Radagon: mb didn't work
GW: FU both y'all be a tree togetha
Ranni: *laughs in doll*
ER lore in a nutshell.
Misbegotten are the scariest monsters in the game for me
is it me of does the audio feel "muffled?" I had to crank my television volume up pretty high and I still couldn't hear it right :( (same issue on my PC)
(actually, your other videos are like that too...I just checked them). Not sure why it sounds muffled
We noticed this is happening with speakers but that the issue isn't apparent with headphones. Next video will have this solved
Andre > Sekejo > Hewg
Andre >>>>>>> hewg
your whispering commentary makes it hard to hear even with loud volume and slowed down or sped up...
Interesting, we didn't have any issues while EQing the audio
@@square-table-gaming yeah i could barely hear it too. Sounds like you're talking in a muffled tunnel. Normal volume I cant hear you, if i turn it up it just gets muffled
why is there so much echo in the background of your voice. makes the videos a lot less enjoyable
Should be gone in the newer videos. We were able to upgrade our equipment and editing software since this one was made.
@@square-table-gaming didn't see the posting date and thought this was newer then previous ones I'd watched with better audio quality. My bad
@@Swifty365 no worries! It's all about upping the quality haha