WOW! I've been gay for 85 years...and never one time felt aliented from God (who doesn't make junk!). Thank you for being a voice of reason and logic. You've just rejuvinated my spirit for the next 50 years! Bless you!
The bible is clearly against homosexuality and against you. If you lived in Biblical times you would not have probably lived to such an age. This ideotic video only explains the reasons as to why the ancient israelites had this prejudice not that they didn't have this prejudice. I am happy you are not a victum of religious trauma or self hate because of your religion's opinions on your sexuality but you really need to question the morality and the logic behind you beliefs.
@@friedrichnietzsche7376 Your response is both interesting and troubling. Please allow me to congratulate the gentleman for having a long life. My question to you, however, is what is the difference between longevity today and that of the Biblical times? According to how I understand your theory, all persons who are homosexual should experience an early death. Is that your conclusion? I am eager to read your explanation.
this is very informational, thank you for making a video about it. Won't get me back into christianity but it is nice to know someone is trying to get christians to understand their own faith. As a gay man and the things I had to face when I was christian turned me away completely so now I have a faith and practice that better suits me.
The way I see is that there was a guy named Jesus, not only did he have no problems with homosexuality, but he was oddly enough an older jewish man who was single, which was pretty unusual. He also spent his time hanging around with prostitutes and his best friends were sailors. His main teaching was not to judge other people and to love other people regardless, to the point of being nailed to a piece of wood for them. The rise of christian nationalism is what has spurned on this modern interest in homosexuality. In fact I see almost NO evangelical christian interest in ANYTHING other than homosexuality, abortion, and gender issues. Two of those three the people of the bible would have NO experience with, and the term homosexuality really doesn't mean more than power relations to the people of that time. In Rome as an official religion they certainly didn't care about homosexuality. Just keep in mind that as you see 'christian' youtubes that are evangelical in nature, its a strong political lobby, but a shrinking 'faith'. The idea that we 'know' what the creator of the universe wants is pretty ludicrous.
Good for you! I too, experienced something similar. If many people on this thread knew of the extent of my spiritual experiences ( I have actually had angelic interactions) they would, no doubt, have a fit, as according to their religious indoctrination, I am " evil and immoral"!
@mikearchibald744 this is exactly why one should not cast their pearls before swine. Never put anything valuable and precious before those who can't or won't appreciate it. I knew better. I won't do it agian.
This was extremely well done. Really enjoyed this. But I have to point out that, as far as Levitical Law, Christians aren't supposed to follow any of that to begin with (it is part of the Old Covenant, which Christ replaced, as the New Testament tells us that the Old Covenant was "flawed") and also the fact that, not only does Christ go against the old cultural laws on a number of occasions (like when He stopped the crowd from stoning the prostitute to death), but on one of those occasions He actually told His disciples that these laws were the inventions of MEN, not God ("teaching as doctrines the commandments of MEN"). Also, why did you not mention Ezekiel 16:49, which clearly states that the primary "sin" of Sodom was in fact neglect of the poor and needy? But this was very well done, nonetheless.
Well said. The 'legalism' of the Old Testament is what Jesus came to deliver us from! This does not mean that we can do whatever we please, but the old 'rules' and restrictions placed on extraneous practices were missing the point of 'doing unto others' and 'loving each other as I have loved you' which was Jesus' primary message.
@granvillesimmons6033 thank you! 😊 most Christians I have known would not, for example, acknowledge the religiously sanctioned and societally condoned systematic dehumanization of homosexuality that leads to the permissive atmosphere that justifies contempt and hatred through subjective comparison as even existing, much less being wrong. And why? Because such an acknowledgement infringes upon their ability to see others as evil in order to see themselves as good. The fact that this dehumanization violates the golden rule by wolves in sheep's clothing throwing the stone of subjective comparison would not even be considered.
@@ThatTheologyTeacher yes helpful but litvitis/bible i was readying thew a 1400-1920-lenses and what always bothered me/stood out-strange was the wording of young-boy not boy's or adults-males... ( and didn't mention anything about young girls or lesbians, ps im not a gay-male but do count as intersexual and or flipped id be a BI-female-role Polyamory for both of my roles, tried being "normal-50's-usa" not for me/conversion's therapy's is a bad-idea ) aka to me/elders being in a electric/automobile-repairs/apprentice-career-path is you generally are a young male-role not a young-female ( millwright's/electrician pre-1920 or H 1980's wasn't socially acceptable as a reference ) and you are in a position of venerability and trusting to you master/teachers ( i learned really quickly that some people are just old grumpy SOB's and some like hazing the new apprentice and or seeing if they really wanted the knowledge and have a sense of humour ) so sexually your points are vary-valid, about inappropriate predatory behaviour and education about lust/paying in a drunken/addicted manoeuvres something i had debates on even as a homophobe/LGBTQ around 2000-14~( teenager* and swallowing some parts of hard-right political+UMC talking points ) and arguing against Polly+gay marriage rights sorry i know not my best self/era and couldn't Shake the question/answerable-best-way as parroting the words knowingly also having problems with me/others mentioned the missing/mistakes adult-wording and or the science-factual evidence missing, this solves some of the morale's and religion plot-holes/loopholes nowadays/23 i see nothing wrong with heavily regulated sex-work including prostatusion/penetration legally USA 🇺🇸 or uk 🇬🇧 speaking but religious wise as a Jewish/Christians lens's its generally-considered-most-faiths/churches a sin with some loopholes for education/marriages-counciling/forgiveness-ruth/stripper* FYI i got into a debate-09~ against a lds/Catholic and lost as Catholics actually had male-gay-marriage ( one couple is canidi's/sainthooded ) ( and Polly swingers/polygamous-sex-producing-kid-was ok or so-so ) in cathedrals but sex was still a no-no! the lds is similarities but instead was a swingers-couple marriage, something i should have known about as my neighbours/churches are lds growing up in the early 90's, so the mainstream leaders of both in 2023 aren't being up as they should be aka hypocrites, Nelson/profit/president has 2 wife's ( yes technically there not know-openly lesbian/bi's and one of them is dead-2023* but under lds-slc church doctrine and traditions there both at the same time and union/marriage ) despite him&pope's on the pulpit saying monogamous-marriage license only and lesbians and transsexuals are worst siner's
I am an atheist and I push back on Christianity quite often but if more people were like you, I would have no reason to. Thank you for what you are doing.
I’ve been deconstructing, I had a lot of questions starting in my early indoctrination, when I questioned it I was threatened with physical violence. What a way to drive a point home.
you have once again given me hope. today was a little difficult for me but seeing this has helped me believe that no matter what anyone says or what doubts I have, God made me in Their image and called me good as I am. thank you so much for making these videos.
god made us in his image at creation,since sin has separated us from god,,,he calls to repent from our sinful ways.............not to remain in our sinful ways......
@@ThatTheologyTeacher Only ONE Gospel: Gospel of Reconciliation. All other gospels are accursed. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of God.
So to be clear, do we summarize that the real underlying message on this topic, in the Bible, is that same sex relationships (however that is defined) is not not forbidden but that the focus is on idol worship, sex cults, prostitution, rape or gang rape, pederasty, pedophilia, effeminate men, multiple partners and bottoming are not acceptable? Please correct me if i got that wrong. Im not being sarcastic or anything, im just trying to summarize everything you presented here. Ive struggled with this all my life and am so tired of the conflict. I am same sex attracted. I love the Lord and my relationship with Him but also very frustrated that i don’t feel free to experience a close same sex physical relationship and still call myself a christian. (If anyone reply’s to my comment please don’t be rude.)
Your struggle is real. I have struggled with similar things my whole life as a now 57 yo cradle Catholic. I find Paul Angelo’s RUclips videos quite helpful. (Although they can be a bit whacky at times.) Angelo says that gay men have been somewhat brainwashed to think they must engage in certain behaviours to be gay. And from a psycho-sexual perspective argues that certain behaviours are actually an attempt to self-medicate unconscious trauma in the body. He offers a different “non-insertive” way to approach same sex relationships that has a more spiritual dimension.
I am a doctoral candidate in a religious studies program that shares the building with a gender and sexuality studies program, so your channel is fun as hell. Thanks for your content!
@@ThatTheologyTeacher Thanks for asking. I do Islamic studies, specifically Islamic mysticism in the 17th century "gunpowder empires." I'm at UCR and our dept chair is the wonderful Melissa Wilcox. I took a deep dive into Early Modern Islamicate sexuality and her guidance was lovely!
I really enjoyed this video. I don't believe in Christianity myself, but this is a really good, academic, exploration of biblical arguments about gay people, such as myself. The last explanation of Adam and Eve made me remember a myth from the greek world. In one story, humans had two head, and two sets of our limbs. The Gods saw humanity (with each "person" being the union of two) and were afraid, so they took it upon themselves to cleave them in two; and that's where we became individual people, search for the other half that was separated from us, kind of like the idea of soulmates. I just found it funny, when the better translation said it was a whole 'side' of Adam that was taken, instead of just a rib, which makes WAY more sense, from a myth kind of view.
Hmmm - this is where everything becomes cloudy for me. I don’t want to rationalize scripture to fit the fact I’m gay. As an older gay Catholic - I am still not sure - I still press’s forward hoping that God will accept me into his kingdom.
It's not a sin to BE gay. Incels have the same type of burden, or cross to bear, since the real issue comes down to celibacy, not sexual preference. As society becomes more corrupt, the straight women are not only fewer, but tend to greatly narrow their requirements for mating, insuring the majority of straight men stand no chance of 'legitimate' gratification.
@@cathykrueger4899 so you use a completely different dictionary then. Every sentence I wrote makes perfect sense. You may not agree with it, but that has zero to do with it's meaning. You've simply conflated "making sense" with your own hive mind.
He is true sin is homophobic we gay don't kill or rape or abuse people or give theme hate yet god and God's son always say bigest sin is hate and we should love each other unconditionally Thos who hate us and our way they are all do one of the sin witch son of god say is sin he always say don't hate others love all people true story shuld be told the haters and thos who dont love all are true sin with hate You act against Jesus word's.hope all people will learn this if we gays are sin you straights do all the rape and abuse to woman and you dont do sin but we who do it because we are attracted to man And love mans and do same sex activity with tow man who are ok with same sex and ther is no force or rape is sin but you straight do lot of rape lot of abuse and sexualize lot of women and you dont do sin is it what normal minde will say. God love everyone unconditionally only thos who came from devil are hateing LGBT or even hate everyone are thos who will go hell because proved by Jesus Hate is one of bigest sins. So now speak you homophobic Haters😂😂😂
1 TIMOTHY 4:1 AMP But the [Holy] Spirit explicitly and unmistakably declares that in later times some will turn away from the faith, paying attention instead to deceitful and seductive spirits and doctrines of demons,
Thank you for your work. I strongly believe that The only Condemnation, on LGBTQ people, is that condemnation we as a society make up. The question I always like to ask these haters is at what age or at what point did you make your decision to be Heterosexual?
I appreciate you stating your theories for Leviticus 18 and 20 I thought they were well thought out. The problem is we have commentary from Jews in the first century that would disagree with your theories. Nevertheless I find your videos very interesting.
I don’t know what you meant about the beard… personally, I think its hot! Seriously tho, thank you for educating people. Everyone should do REAL homework before condemning, or even condoning others and their “behavior”
With the growing spread of homophobia in the world, particularly in the United States, videos of this nature, delving deeply into this topic, cannot be of more importance. I would like this to be screamed out from the rafters of every homophobic church all over the U.S. and the world in general. Much, much, needed indeed.
@@ThatTheologyTeacher : OH GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER. GOD BLESS YOU. PLEASE, PLEASE, DO!! The sad and unfortunate thing is that too few knowledgeable, people are doing this sort of thing as is, so every last one of you helps immensely. I have already, seen the videos over RUclips here, of the extremist churches in the U.S., calling for the death penalty of gay and lesbian people. Never did I think this level of religious fanaticism would arise within my lifetime, and in the United States of all places; and it seems to be growing all the time. It concerns me more than I can put into words. If you are gay Brother or bi or what have you; you are NOT, safe in this current, climate. None of us are. This is an issue which I wish we could find a way to settle once and for all. And the church MUST, find a safe, warm, and welcoming place for homosexual people, who are Children of God, as well. Tons of Love and Support. We can chat any time if you like. Be Well and Safe. Out For Now. PS: Please check out my comment to your latest video and let me know what you think, when you get the time. Thanks. 🥰🤗🖐🏼😔
I have been enjoying your videos but I have a question here regarding the end of the video and Paul. How do you reconcile the verse about being, after baptism neither male nor female, with Paul’s explanation of women being made after Adam and being the one to be deceived and therefore properly secondary to “Adam” as a head?
Buy a book called "What Paul Really Said About Women." It covers Greek words, their meanings and how some of these were untranslatable into English and resulting in mistaken translations. It also covers Hellenistic philosophy which crept into the Bible and affected Biblical thought. Paul actually was very pro-woman and was promoting a new idea of husband/wife relationships which including equality. I forget the details but there were two Greek words meaning head. The first means the boss which is how people (men in particular) interpret this BUT the Greek word he used is NOT the same word. The actual word meant, in military terms, something like scout who scouts for danger leading the army forward safely. The wife follows behind in safety but in actual equality. This is not an exact explanation but is in general what he is saying. The book hoes into much more detail. Furthermore, if you read the Bible, God's favorite women were those who broke the rules. There was a woman who hosted meetings in he home, snd a woman who was a Deacon in the church. I forget the names of all of them. There was a woman named Jaleal (??) who won a war for the Israelites by slaughtering the leader of the opposing army and then there was Esther who save her whole race.
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.": You made that up yourself, lol.
I am an atheists anyway but listening to this, I understand why reading the Bible destroys faith. Why would Gods words be so difficult to understand? WOW...
A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'... My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE, when I was struck by lightning during September 1970. Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.
Yes and in the New testament also it reads about Joseph and Mary _ that Joseph did not "know"(have sexual relations with) Mary until after Jesus was born. In other words Joseph was able to consummate his marriage with Mary after Jesus was born. This way Joseph would continue his name as was in the Jewish tradition. So Mary and Joseph had other children which would be the siblings of Christ Jesus. Except Joseph was not the biological Father of Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God.
Hello! You should have did Ezekiel 16:49-50 it condemns poor and needy, not homosexuality people love overlook scriptures. That should have been your claim.
@@ThatTheologyTeacher Thank you, also religion and Christianity are two different things. One has to be careful of insinuations and thoughts that Satan tries to pass off as the Word of God. Yes the Sodomites did not make love to the angels, they assaulted and rapped them. About religion, the Saduces, and the Pharasis were very religious but not Christian, okay?
At marker 00:31:52 you speak about god, separating Adam in two pieces, thereby creating an Eve ( even though they did not literally physically exist ) you continue, to share the information that they will forever long to reunite into one. This explains why the two always long to come together (🤨) but is there an explanation theoretically, why the males would also wish to come together? Females too? In simple terms, what explains in this same way why gay people want to come together also?
The Old Testament laws were directed to the Jews of the day. It is important for us to read and understand; however, the New Testament is addressed to all people’s at all times.
Another issue with the ancient Israelites was that their numbers were always under threat of decimation. Therefore, their laws needed to promote procreation at all costs for the survival of the tribe.
Is that similar to the saying that says " you can't throw the stone of subjective comparison while donning sheep's clothing and call oneself " good, moral, and righteous"?
wait the adam and eve thing is really interesting, because in school, we had the topic sexuality and religion, and got a text by Plato, i dont know, how it is called in english, but its about that humans used to be only one gender, then got sepereted(but because of being to powerful) and now their goal was to get back together
The story of the two halves each seeking their other part is told in Plato's "Symposium" by the character of Aristophanes, the playwright. Wouldn't the writings of Plato have been accessible to, if not Paul, other rabbis and inhabitants of the land in that period? Or at least the myth itself which Aristophanes embellishes?
You survived religious trauma! What is that even mean? Actually I don’t want to know. This world is definitely living in the end of days and I’m not really that religious but I know sacrilege when I see it.
@@bobholmes65 The fact that you have access to the internet and didn't bother even to look it up before putting your two cents in says a lot.......... Growing up in an abusive home where your stepfather BEAT bible verses into your brain and every other part of your body for over a decade and had you convinced that the very thought of sin you're going straight to hell - I came out psychologically fucked up, ran from Canada to the USA and got sex trafficked....HOW Did I survive? I am writing this at 40. I am not organized religious at all either, and seems you're not either. If you were somewhat Christian you would have the understanding that quoting the bible is the complete opposite of sacrilege. As for the end times we have been living in those for the last 2000 years. Hope you learned something today! I wish you all the love and peace in your life and your family. Be well.
One thing I have learnt from this is words are always misinterpreted especially when it’s not translated by the original source. It’s why I totally focused on the words of Jesus himself which I have found to be mostly consist regardless of translations and he never mentioned homosexuality as a sin infact love was his MO and he mostly condemned judgmental people which we find in our churches these days. Great work. Looking forward to more of your videos
You’re making things up to fit your lifestyle that goes against everything of God. You are kidding no one but yourselves. I don’t believe in these biblical stories verbatim but I do believe they have a religious purpose.
Ezekiel 16:49-50 NIV - 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. '
I bought a book called A Transparent Translation Concerning Homosexuality is pretty meaningful. If you had never read one it is taking the original text which is Hebrew or Aramaic, translated to Greek and even later to English. It talks about these passages and were difficult for me to understand. I’m so glad I found this video so I can begin to understand. I am grateful.
Jesus in the sermon on the mount, says, "Call no one teacher but God. Let no one call you teacher." Just about everyone seems to ignore that which means an awful lot of folk who think themselves saved are going to be told, "Go away. I never knew you."
As I have said repeatedly on social media, if gay "Christians" feel comfortable about appearing before Jesus' judgment seat then go right ahead. If someone wants to be gay, or have a gay marriage, go right ahead. But if you expect the Bible to approve your lifestyle, then you are wrong. All sex outside a married heterosexual couple is sin. The original marriage shows God's intentions. We live in a time where every aspect of traditional Christianity is going to be questioned. The judgment will show who is right and who is wrong. Men can say and do whatever here on Earth. Not there.
@@peterfraser9070 If I feel I have an inner urge for violence can I come and bash you? There are plenty of gays who have gone straight which shows it might be a birth disposition but not a birth condition like blue eyes.
Did you read Ezkiel 16:49-60 and Jerimiah 23:14? No one talks about why GOD sent Israel and Jerusalem into captivity. . GOD sent they were like Sodom and Gomorrah to HIM. According to James 2:2-3 KJV) the word Gay is used to describe a man with gold rings and richly dressed and how he is treated better than the man that is dressed poorly. Using the word Gay to describe homosexuals is not biblical. How did Gay mean homosexual? Please explain. Thank you. Good job.
I was a Baptist Pastor and I am gay medically proven. In Gen 19 the Hebrew for "men" is enowsh. That word has been translated as "people" in dozens of places. eg Ex 10:7. In Jude 7 which is the only verse in the NT that says the sins of Sodom were sexual. The Greek is sakros heteras. Sakros means "flesh" We get our word heterosexual from "heteras". Jude 7 says the sins of Sodom was heterosexual, NOT homosexual. The whole point of Romans 1 is Rom 2:1 which says "You therefore have no excuse you who pass judgement on someone else". Interesting video. Thanks.
I research this topic constantly and what I have found is the arguments against homosexuality simply start with the glauber passages and end with “bc God said so” and the argument for homosexuality is made with deep understanding of the Bible as a whole with a lot of support for the argument
Roman. Corinthian, Timothy Paul frequently discusses the sanctity of marriage in his writings, despite having never married himself. He lived a single life, which sheds light on his teachings. In his letters to the Corinthians, he addresses a different audience and context. He emphasizes that love transcends the sexual aspect and advocates for sexual moderation. However, Paul's writings often return to the topic of sexual ethics. He speaks out against male prostitution and homosexuality, which suggests he may be grappling with personal guilt and shame. He advises Timothy to avoid such struggles with sexuality. Paul's perspective is that individuals interpret beliefs through their own lens. In Romans, he explains the creation of the world to the church in Rome and laments how sex, a divine gift, has been corrupted, deviating from its intended purpose as an act between a man and a woman, which he believes dismays God. He appears to address issues that Jesus did not explicitly mention, indicating a personal connection to the subject. Paul's writings imply that the absence of love is akin to hell.
First of all, the term homosexual was coined by a guy named Karl Kertbeny in 1869, with the term heterosexual soon following. When approaching this subject, everyone seems to want to contextualize it into irrelevancy: cultural norms of the time, etc. Yet the Bible also says that God doesn't change: "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever." (Heb. 13:8) "For I am the LORD, I change not...." (Malachi 3:6) KJV. The key to understanding Sodom in Genesis 19, is Gibeah (short i) in Judges 19. Here we see similar events unfolding centuries apart with some key differences that help explain it much better. In Judges 19, one of the visitors is female, and she is taken by the mob, brutalized all night, and dies of her injuries. This means the men of Gibeah were clearly bisexual. In both cases though, the daughter(s) of those sojourning with them were offered and rejected in favor of the new faces in town. In Sodom, both visitors were male, and the mob consisted of "...the men of Sodom..."..both old and young, all the people from every quarter." (Gen. 19:4). No population of any city, anywhere, ever had a population that was 100% homosexual. It wouldn't last as they wouldn't be reproducing: they'd die out. So, the men of Sodom were also bisexual. They most likely had the attitude of the men of Afghanistan, as reported in the press at the time when the U.S. was occupying it: Women for children, men for fun. (This was later modified to "Women for children, boys for fun," but you get the idea.) As both visitors to Sodom were angels, nothing the mob had planned was going to happen, whereas in Gibeah both visitors were mortal, so something was going to happen. in Romans 1:27, the men in question here were also bisexual as they left "...the natural use of the woman...." by choice. It has often been pointed out that homosexuality is not a choice, but what has been missing is the fact that bisexuality offers a choice. And, if homosexuality is not a choice, it is not a sin, because sin is a choice: a choice to disobey, that is acted upon, in the case of doing what you were told not to do, or not doing what you were told to do. Rather, it is a fault; and what does the Bible say about faults? "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." (James 5:16). In the case of this fault, you're basically commanded to "come out." The stress of keeping all this bottled up inside is not healthy. An how should such a person be treated? Galatians 6:1-2 give us the answer: "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye on another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." For, as I Corinthians 10:13 says: "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way of escape, that ye may be able to bear it." It's your cross to bear. As for using the two verses in Leviticus (18:22 & 20:13) to say that homosexuality is a sin, is like using the verse that condemns adultery (20:10,) with the same punishment, death, must make heterosexuality a sin too. Sexuality isn't the sin, it's what you do with it.
@@ThatTheologyTeacher interpretation? Ok ... Your interpretation is bias and very odd actually . But hey ... Is your interpretation after all .. nothing more
@@peterfraser9070 my interpretation is that it has been houndreads of men devoted to the biblical studies, theologists, professors, masters, with high knowledge of history, language, antropology etc, thats have been in charge of the many tranlations of the bible. Theres no way we can sit down and say "oh, i think the bible has been adultered, and we missunderstand the true meaning of the verses".....No!. Whats happening is that we see the society being more "open" to mans flaws and try to fit the bible into modern society without consider that there are thing that we need to abandon and reject from our very selves.
Yes, we still use 2000 year old medical practices, transportation, tools, communication methods, etc. etc. etc. That is why 2000 year old spiritual practices are what we should use today.
Yes homosexuality is a sin, but how about fighting fornication which is encouraged in our societies today instead of bothering gays? From what I know, fornication is much worse than homosexuality.
I don't believe in the bible so I don't care if it condemns who I am or not, but I'm fascinated by the fact that the bible has been shaped to fit people's narratives -- like having the word "homosexual" in it even when that word was created centuries later. Great video! I became subscribed to the channel right now 🙌🏻
I agree with examining the bible as a work of literature and trying to learn about the people who wrote the various parts. Trying to interpret it as the word of an unproveable and unknowable divine figure is just silly. No one has ever proven that any human actually knows the nature of a divine being, much less that such a being has communicated with anyone.
Yes, that's perfectly said. Imagine people presuming to say "God thinks this or God says that..." as if it isn't just people writing these things and trying to make sense of the world. They didn't understand homosexuality and thought it was gross so it's pretty predictable some people are gonna condemn it. That's their problem.
I agree with the history of sodom and the biblical issues of it not being about homosexuality; conversely, that does not justify using the slander of post-modernists; there is no such thing as a "phobia" of homosexuality. (Phobia: an anxiety disorder defined by a persistent and excessive fear of an object or situation).
While I agree that definitely some people use the term homophobia too freely, it's pretty fair to say the word as it's used means more than just a literal phobia. We see this with other terms related to this. Language changes, and English words pretty much always have connotations beyond just a very strict/root word meaning. This words has (for a long time now) meant more than just a fear of homosexuality, and insisting otherwise I've always found a very strange defensive stance, one that everyone pretty much dismisses out of hand.
@@wolfblaide I’m not sure what term could be used to define what it actually is. There may have been a genuine fear of the lifestyle up until the 90’s. But since 2010 the gay lifestyle had been accepted into social norms; aside from those who were opposed to gay marriage. It is now more an issue of it all being pushed down everyone’s throat through the state and corporations. I was in support of gay marriage under the constitution. And race had improved to the point of voting in our first black president. But unfortunately It seems that since Obama’s presidency, be it circumstantial or not, everything has escalated in our society: racism, hate-slander, Transgenderism, unashamed political propaganda in schools and media, entitlement, grooming, political corruption, WEF, and hyperinflation. Post-modernism may be a reaction against the slow progress of enlightenment rationalism, but it presents more as the tantrum of ignorant privilege through totalitarian control. I mean this point philosophically now: post-modernism is largely effeminate, and appears to me to be an unbalanced extreme over-correction of matriarchy from the extremes of historical patriarchy.
@@PastorShayne I'm not in the US, so I think my perspective is different. My recommendation... turn the TV off (or computer, or whatever). Go outside. Or go visit other counties. We don't have the strange media environment that the US has, where all these things you mention start to become such huge noise, that makes it sound like they are all that matter. I don't hear ordinary people talk much about any of these topic you mention. They don't, because they are usually just contrived issues. Often its the media telling you this stuff is being pushed at you, when its that same media who is. What matters is respecting others and accepting them, which goes for Chistians and non Chistians alike. My 2 cents.
“There is no such thing as a ‘phobia’ of homosexuality…”. Really? So then give us your vocabulary for the pathological hate that drives many males (often invoking pseudo Christian jargon) to literally beat gay men to death in a manner that the police will tell you is more violent than other violent crimes they see. The injuries, the ferocity of the attacks are well know among police forces world wide for their extreme and excessive violence. Just interested to know what you would call that passion and where you believe it comes from? Freud coined the term ‘homophobia’ to refer to an internal terror of being or having homosexual tendencies.
What is the actual meaning of Leviticus 18 22? Most traditional English translations interpret Leviticus 18:22 as a divine condemnation of erotic, same-sex relationships
Imagine people presuming to say "God thinks this..." as if it wasn't just people writing the bible to try and make sense of the world. A creator of the universe is something beyond man's comprehension, so people try to create God in man's image so they can pretend to understand "him" and how "he" "feels" about something. The writers of the bible couldn't understand homosexuality and thought it was gross, so it's pretty predictable that they would condemn it. It's nothing.
It seems when there are censurable statements about pagan homosexuality, or prostitution, there is something else attatched to it, whether it is paganism or bad behavior. Furthermore, in the New Testament, there is a new emphasis against judging others. If one reads the Sermon on the Mount, there is a prohibition against looking lustfully at a woman specifically. I don't believe he said this to condemn, but if one reads further, to prevent the condemning of others.
It always floored me that homosexuality is one Leviticus death penalty, whereas a bacon double cheese burger is three death penalties. By the by, why don't fundamentalists ever cite Leviticus on fair labor relationships or respect and care for the poor.
"it always floored me that homosexuality is one Leviticus death penalty, whereas a bacon double cheese burger is three death penalties": that's because it's more fattening
That's great information you're providing! Keep up the good work! And just to add a little more to the master piece video you made... there's also another problem with Leviticus and it tends to be overlooked! It basically is that not even jews are clear on what's been truly forbidden in the text, 'cause the word used in that prhase could mean 2 things: 1 anal intercourse or 2 intercouser with an androgynous person. And scholar jews argue: if it is the second option, then there's no problem for homosexual intercourse and if it is the first option, then it is forbidden for both men and women. And they also highlight that this text is specifically directed to priests and only priests, therefore it cannot and must not be applied to other jews, just priests!
Additional thought 1 Chronicles gives a genealogy to start the book in chapter 1 it starts with Adam and continues forward. Looking at Genesis as only lessons and stories from the beginning of the book is in conflict with 1 Chronicles if the bible has errors we can not trust any of it and should not be the basis for Judaism or christianity or gasp even while some things may be extrapolated from these verses of scripture It actually happened and historical too. Keep in mind 1 and 2 Chronicles are pieces of historical literature in the bible.
Yes, 1 and 2 Chronicles are historical sources and that's valuable, and as far as moral messages go, it is a dangerous mistake to obsess on the words those people wrote and take them too seriously.
Yes, imagine people presuming to say "God thinks this or God says that..." as if it wasn't just people writing the bible to try and make sense of the world. A creator of the universe is something beyond man's comprehension, so people try to create God in man's image so they can pretend to understand "him" and how "he" "feels" about something. The writers of the bible couldn't understand homosexuality and thought it was gross, so it's pretty predictable that they would condemn it.
All Christians do that to some extent, which is among other things, a logical conseqence of the inconsistent nature and all the conflicting passages in the bible, Christian homophobes read homohate in the bible simply because they like to hate gay people . Many Christians are in state of cognitieve dissonance concerning homosexuality, brw. That's were the "hate the sin , love the sinner" crap comes in.
If I were you, I wouldn't take the bible too seriously; it is simply a man-made book pretending to be written by God, which is obviously impossible. And as for this "sexual immorality" stuff, it's a modern thought; there is no evidence to suggest that even if there were a "God" in the way you think, that "he" would create gay people and then say they were bad. That would be "God"'s own mistake. Man has merely constructed a "God" in man's own image.
is McNeill a reliable source? He was the first reading that was recommended to me about homosexuality, faith and the Bible, but not only is it difficult to find in Italian, but I know that he was a psychologist, if he was also a priest I don't know to what extent he can be a guarantee of preparation in biblical exegesis.
It's all very interesting, although for those of us who have come to consider the whole thing of a creator as a myth, the relevance is only about how to debate our oppressors...
Sorry brother his exegesis it’s somewhat weak Sodom and Gomorrah have a lot more to do with angels like in Genesis chapter 6If you check out Dr. Michael Heizer’s book on the unseen realm or his podcast he will find him very insightful and I must be honest he is an actual scholar and I don’t think this man is good luck God bless
Read Song of Song that is Solomon's in its original Hebrew and not in the Greek Septuagint translation. It is a highly charged and beautiful homoerotic love song.
Youve missed out some classic passages, one of them about Noah's drunken stupor (Gen. 9.22+) when his son Ham finds him naked and out for the count and (we would interpret) takes advantage and puts it up his nether region, for which Cam is later punished. Another is the well-known episode in one of the Kings books, when Saul's son Jonathan dies and David declares that to him J's love has been better than the love of women. (Actually, David had also previously been laid by Saul). So, it would seem that such goings on were fairly common in the ancient world, so much so that they were usually not considered newsworthy. (Unlike nowadays, when people have lost all sense of discretion and privacy and evrywun is hooked on prurient gossip.)
In the ancient world it is my understanding is that cities were considered places of refuge for travelers, since the countryside was dangerous due to banditry. The sin of Sodom was to have become corrupt, maybe even a stronghold for bandits themselves. Back then this was the worst kind of offense. God hates violence, not love.
I was lucky to be raised Catholic so it was no problem simply dumping the religion thing. I will say though it was traumatically awkward for all involved when we had to get state mandated sex ed from a nun at the Catholic school.
I’m glad I didn’t listen to you. I’m free from the homosexual life I used to live and I am free in Christ. Thank God for rescuing me from my sin. I pray He does the same for everyone here.
The holy spirit didn't heal all the pedophile priests of the roman catholic church. But only you are cured by the holy spirit from homosexuality? Don"t think you can fool me
Son of god always say love each other like god love everyone it mean god like LGBTQ people too. True sin always was hate every sin started with hate.Hate com from devil.Eveyone love and support each other respect each other like god love all and will respect every one❤😊❤🏳️🌈❤🕊️
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Lev. 20.13) "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," (1Cor. 6.9). Seems pretty clear to me. Sodomites can delude themselves all they want, but God is the judge.
You are quoting Paul, who also directs slaves to fear their masters and women to obey their husbands and be silent in church. So, assuming you are a Christian, what did Christ himself have to say about homosexuality?
@@gulfislander11 He is also quoting from Leviticus and uses the word "abomination" from it (when many Christians completely ignore Levitical laws saying they are not for Christians), but if they are going to quote it as they do concerning homosexuality they must also take as seriously the prohibition on eating shellfish which is also described as an "abomination" four times. This seems to be very selective quotations, yet conveniently ignore what might affect them, such as fornication, adultery, lying, gossip, slander, coveting, and a whole host of other "sins"! You are right about Christ not saying anything specific about homosexuality, although He did refer to last days being like the time of Lot, which is a reference to Sodom and Gomorrah. However, after learning to read Hebrew fluently in Israel as a chef, the story of Sodom read very differently in the original text where the word rendered as "men" in the story is actually the male plural word "ANASHIM" which means "people" (inclusive of females but written in male format) and comes from the related root word "ANUSH" which means "human", not exclusively male. This is seen throughout the Bible where terms like "sons of God," "men of Galilee" at the Ascension and "men of Jerusalem" on the Day of Pentecost also include females in the male plural. If one reads Genesis 19:4 using "people" instead of "men" there is no homosexual story. Of course biased closed minded people will not consider this grammatical reality due to being blinded by self-righteous condemnation and judgement convinced of this imaginary gay plot. However, the Bible itself proves it itself when one reads later in the same verse where the English word "people" is used as well, which is the small singular Hebrew word "AM" which describes the whole citizenry of Sodom as "people from every quarter" (of the city) just as it used elsewhere in singular form, as with "AM ISRAEL," the "people of Israel" etc. So it is in there. Thank you for your comment, as very few Christians keep women silent in church etc! 💕
I love your teachings about the LGT community, but it seems that the only people that condemns homosexuals are men and not Jesus/God, may be i missed a video that talks about this since i just happens to stumble upon your channel just a few days ago.
I would agree with you, Andy. Mankind, and the fact that the bibles we have are not exactly like the original texta, are the culprit. Excellent books on this are the books of author named Michael Wood. Some of his books are "The Hidden Bible", "The Jesus Secret" and "Breaking The Romans Code".
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WOW! I've been gay for 85 years...and never one time felt aliented from God (who doesn't make junk!). Thank you for being a voice of reason and logic. You've just rejuvinated my spirit for the next 50 years! Bless you!
The bible is clearly against homosexuality and against you. If you lived in Biblical times you would not have probably lived to such an age. This ideotic video only explains the reasons as to why the ancient israelites had this prejudice not that they didn't have this prejudice. I am happy you are not a victum of religious trauma or self hate because of your religion's opinions on your sexuality but you really need to question the morality and the logic behind you beliefs.
@@friedrichnietzsche7376 Your response is both interesting and troubling. Please allow me to congratulate the gentleman for having a long life. My question to you, however, is what is the difference between longevity today and that of the Biblical times? According to how I understand your theory, all persons who are homosexual should experience an early death. Is that your conclusion? I am eager to read your explanation.
@@aok6694 What?.. I am just saying that if he was openly gay he would have been killed in Biblical times.
God bless you Robert.
@@friedrichnietzsche7376 Amen!
this is very informational, thank you for making a video about it. Won't get me back into christianity but it is nice to know someone is trying to get christians to understand their own faith. As a gay man and the things I had to face when I was christian turned me away completely so now I have a faith and practice that better suits me.
The way I see is that there was a guy named Jesus, not only did he have no problems with homosexuality, but he was oddly enough an older jewish man who was single, which was pretty unusual. He also spent his time hanging around with prostitutes and his best friends were sailors. His main teaching was not to judge other people and to love other people regardless, to the point of being nailed to a piece of wood for them.
The rise of christian nationalism is what has spurned on this modern interest in homosexuality. In fact I see almost NO evangelical christian interest in ANYTHING other than homosexuality, abortion, and gender issues. Two of those three the people of the bible would have NO experience with, and the term homosexuality really doesn't mean more than power relations to the people of that time. In Rome as an official religion they certainly didn't care about homosexuality.
Just keep in mind that as you see 'christian' youtubes that are evangelical in nature, its a strong political lobby, but a shrinking 'faith'. The idea that we 'know' what the creator of the universe wants is pretty ludicrous.
Good for you! I too, experienced something similar. If many people on this thread knew of the extent of my spiritual experiences ( I have actually had angelic interactions) they would, no doubt, have a fit, as according to their religious indoctrination, I am " evil and immoral"!
@@lynnbaker2336 Or maybe just crazy?
@mikearchibald744 this is exactly why one should not cast their pearls before swine. Never put anything valuable and precious before those who can't or won't appreciate it. I knew better. I won't do it agian.
@lynnbaker2336 I mean I am an animist and practice chaos magic now
This was extremely well done. Really enjoyed this. But I have to point out that, as far as Levitical Law, Christians aren't supposed to follow any of that to begin with (it is part of the Old Covenant, which Christ replaced, as the New Testament tells us that the Old Covenant was "flawed") and also the fact that, not only does Christ go against the old cultural laws on a number of occasions (like when He stopped the crowd from stoning the prostitute to death), but on one of those occasions He actually told His disciples that these laws were the inventions of MEN, not God ("teaching as doctrines the commandments of MEN"). Also, why did you not mention Ezekiel 16:49, which clearly states that the primary "sin" of Sodom was in fact neglect of the poor and needy? But this was very well done, nonetheless.
Well said. The 'legalism' of the Old Testament is what Jesus came to deliver us from! This does not mean that we can do whatever we please, but the old 'rules' and restrictions placed on extraneous practices were missing the point of 'doing unto others' and 'loving each other as I have loved you' which was Jesus' primary message.
@@JamesBrown-ij1px YES!!!! A true Christian who understands what Christianity is supposed to be about! God bless you.
@granvillesimmons6033 thank you! 😊 most Christians I have known would not, for example, acknowledge the religiously sanctioned and societally condoned systematic dehumanization of homosexuality that leads to the permissive atmosphere that justifies contempt and hatred through subjective comparison as even existing, much less being wrong. And why? Because such an acknowledgement infringes upon their ability to see others as evil in order to see themselves as good. The fact that this dehumanization violates the golden rule by wolves in sheep's clothing throwing the stone of subjective comparison would not even be considered.
He fulfilled the law, not abolish it
Jesus's new Covenant also had Homosexuality as a sin
This was awesome information! Thank you very much for this.
Glad it was helpful!
@@ThatTheologyTeacher yes helpful but litvitis/bible i was readying thew a 1400-1920-lenses and what always bothered me/stood out-strange was the wording of young-boy not boy's or adults-males... ( and didn't mention anything about young girls or lesbians, ps im not a gay-male but do count as intersexual and or flipped id be a BI-female-role Polyamory for both of my roles, tried being "normal-50's-usa" not for me/conversion's therapy's is a bad-idea ) aka to me/elders being in a electric/automobile-repairs/apprentice-career-path is you generally are a young male-role not a young-female ( millwright's/electrician pre-1920 or H 1980's wasn't socially acceptable as a reference ) and you are in a position of venerability and trusting to you master/teachers ( i learned really quickly that some people are just old grumpy SOB's and some like hazing the new apprentice and or seeing if they really wanted the knowledge and have a sense of humour ) so sexually your points are vary-valid, about inappropriate predatory behaviour and education about lust/paying in a drunken/addicted manoeuvres
something i had debates on even as a homophobe/LGBTQ around 2000-14~( teenager* and swallowing some parts of hard-right political+UMC talking points ) and arguing against Polly+gay marriage rights sorry i know not my best self/era and couldn't Shake the question/answerable-best-way as parroting the words knowingly also having problems with me/others mentioned the missing/mistakes adult-wording and or the science-factual evidence missing, this solves some of the morale's and religion plot-holes/loopholes
nowadays/23 i see nothing wrong with heavily regulated sex-work including prostatusion/penetration legally USA 🇺🇸 or uk 🇬🇧 speaking but religious wise as a Jewish/Christians lens's its generally-considered-most-faiths/churches a sin with some loopholes for education/marriages-counciling/forgiveness-ruth/stripper*
FYI i got into a debate-09~ against a lds/Catholic and lost as Catholics actually had male-gay-marriage ( one couple is canidi's/sainthooded ) ( and Polly swingers/polygamous-sex-producing-kid-was ok or so-so ) in cathedrals but sex was still a no-no! the lds is similarities but instead was a swingers-couple marriage, something i should have known about as my neighbours/churches are lds growing up in the early 90's, so the mainstream leaders of both in 2023 aren't being up as they should be aka hypocrites, Nelson/profit/president has 2 wife's ( yes technically there not know-openly lesbian/bi's and one of them is dead-2023* but under lds-slc church doctrine and traditions there both at the same time and union/marriage ) despite him&pope's on the pulpit saying monogamous-marriage license only and lesbians and transsexuals are worst siner's
I am an atheist and I push back on Christianity quite often but if more people were like you, I would have no reason to. Thank you for what you are doing.
That warms my heart. Thank you.
I’ve been deconstructing, I had a lot of questions starting in my early indoctrination, when I questioned it I was threatened with physical violence. What a way to drive a point home.
you have once again given me hope. today was a little difficult for me but seeing this has helped me believe that no matter what anyone says or what doubts I have, God made me in Their image and called me good as I am. thank you so much for making these videos.
You are so welcome! Please share these with anyone you think needs to hear the message. Rejoice in the blessedness that is you.
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god made us in his image at creation,since sin has separated us from god,,,he calls to repent from our sinful ways.............not to remain in our sinful ways......
that's not at all what the bible teaches, the bible teaches that nobody is good expect for Jesus and you must accept Jesus as your lord
@@KarineWILDSMITH indeed
Thank you! I found you on my morning walk today, and I am so thankful to hear your perspective! Great stuff!
You are so welcome!
@@ThatTheologyTeacher
Only ONE Gospel:
Gospel of Reconciliation.
All other gospels are accursed.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of God.
So to be clear, do we summarize that the real underlying message on this topic, in the Bible, is that same sex relationships (however that is defined) is not not forbidden but that the focus is on idol worship, sex cults, prostitution, rape or gang rape, pederasty, pedophilia, effeminate men, multiple partners and bottoming are not acceptable? Please correct me if i got that wrong. Im not being sarcastic or anything, im just trying to summarize everything you presented here. Ive struggled with this all my life and am so tired of the conflict. I am same sex attracted. I love the Lord and my relationship with Him but also very frustrated that i don’t feel free to experience a close same sex physical relationship and still call myself a christian. (If anyone reply’s to my comment please don’t be rude.)
Your struggle is real. I have struggled with similar things my whole life as a now 57 yo cradle Catholic. I find Paul Angelo’s RUclips videos quite helpful. (Although they can be a bit whacky at times.) Angelo says that gay men have been somewhat brainwashed to think they must engage in certain behaviours to be gay. And from a psycho-sexual perspective argues that certain behaviours are actually an attempt to self-medicate unconscious trauma in the body. He offers a different “non-insertive” way to approach same sex relationships that has a more spiritual dimension.
Thoroughly and intelligently researched. Most thought provoking. Well done, and a kind, compassionate message to the disenfranchised.
I am a doctoral candidate in a religious studies program that shares the building with a gender and sexuality studies program, so your channel is fun as hell. Thanks for your content!
Love it! What’s your area of focus in religious studies?
@@ThatTheologyTeacher
Thanks for asking. I do Islamic studies, specifically Islamic mysticism in the 17th century "gunpowder empires." I'm at UCR and our dept chair is the wonderful Melissa Wilcox. I took a deep dive into Early Modern Islamicate sexuality and her guidance was lovely!
@@adamtyson3962 Wow that sounds awesome! I have Wilcox's book right next to me on the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. So cool!
You sound like Rabbi Jesus Christ when he described the Synagogue of Satan! 👺🏳️🌈🤮
@@ThatTheologyTeacherwe have a branch of the sisters in Minnesota called the ladies of the lakes
Paiderasste Greek word meaning? Isnt that short for pederasty?
I really enjoyed this video. I don't believe in Christianity myself, but this is a really good, academic, exploration of biblical arguments about gay people, such as myself. The last explanation of Adam and Eve made me remember a myth from the greek world. In one story, humans had two head, and two sets of our limbs. The Gods saw humanity (with each "person" being the union of two) and were afraid, so they took it upon themselves to cleave them in two; and that's where we became individual people, search for the other half that was separated from us, kind of like the idea of soulmates. I just found it funny, when the better translation said it was a whole 'side' of Adam that was taken, instead of just a rib, which makes WAY more sense, from a myth kind of view.
Why not?
Hmmm - this is where everything becomes cloudy for me. I don’t want to rationalize scripture to fit the fact I’m gay. As an older gay Catholic - I am still not sure - I still press’s forward hoping that God will accept me into his kingdom.
I agree 💯
It's not a sin to BE gay. Incels have the same type of burden, or cross to bear, since the real issue comes down to celibacy, not sexual preference. As society becomes more corrupt, the straight women are not only fewer, but tend to greatly narrow their requirements for mating, insuring the majority of straight men stand no chance of 'legitimate' gratification.
@@jameseverett9037 That makes absolutely no sense. And we can see where celibacy got the Catholics.
@@cathykrueger4899 so you use a completely different dictionary then. Every sentence I wrote makes perfect sense. You may not agree with it, but that has zero to do with it's meaning. You've simply conflated "making sense" with your own hive mind.
@@jameseverett9037you are clearly making the inference that people choose to be homosexual due to " corruption" people do not choose their sexuality.
homophobia was always the real sin
I’ve seen your other comments…please get your life right bc being a “pastor” in hell will be extremely embarrassing and we don’t want that.
@@randomguy6745 well don't go to hell then, thats ur choice.
Isn't a phobia a fear?
He is true sin is homophobic we gay don't kill or rape or abuse people or give theme hate yet god and God's son always say bigest sin is hate and we should love each other unconditionally Thos who hate us and our way they are all do one of the sin witch son of god say is sin he always say don't hate others love all people true story shuld be told the haters and thos who dont love all are true sin with hate You act against Jesus word's.hope all people will learn this if we gays are sin you straights do all the rape and abuse to woman and you dont do sin but we who do it because we are attracted to man And love mans and do same sex activity with tow man who are ok with same sex and ther is no force or rape is sin but you straight do lot of rape lot of abuse and sexualize lot of women and you dont do sin is it what normal minde will say.
God love everyone unconditionally only thos who came from devil are hateing LGBT or even hate everyone are thos who will go hell because proved by Jesus Hate is one of bigest sins. So now speak you homophobic Haters😂😂😂
No one is afraid of homosexuality! We just know what the Bible says& we keep children safe from these men!!!
1 TIMOTHY 4:1 AMP
But the [Holy] Spirit explicitly and unmistakably declares that in later times some will turn away from the faith, paying attention instead to deceitful and seductive spirits and doctrines of demons,
You mean Satan?!
Too bad you can't do this in other languages. This is something people need to hear. Great video, great teacher. Thanks.
I don't know, I always thought that if God made people that way why would He be against them?
I will never look at rain the same way again.😂
Awesome examination...and funny to boot! Well done!!!😂❤🎉
Thank you for your work. I strongly believe that The only
Condemnation, on LGBTQ people, is that condemnation we as a society make up. The question I always like to ask these haters is at what age or at what point did you make your decision to be Heterosexual?
The problem is a bit more complex then that. I understand your point though.
I appreciate you stating your theories for Leviticus 18 and 20 I thought they were well thought out. The problem is we have commentary from Jews in the first century that would disagree with your theories. Nevertheless I find your videos very interesting.
For clarification are you referring to rabbinical commentary?
@@textscholar3775 yes
Do you mean that Jesus in some way condemned homosexuality?
@@peterfraser9070 yes I would say that homosexuality would fall along the lines of sexual immorality which Jesus taught against.
Thank you for your theory. Was this thought out by you?
Has anyone ever figured out who the "us" is in "Let us make man in OUR image"?
Mainstream Christians believe this is "proof" or at least an inference to The Holy Trinity (God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit).
The original languages of Scripture contained the names "Yahweh" and "Elohim." Both were names of God. "Yahweh" was singular and "Elohim" was plural.
Maybe whoever wrote that was non-binary and used the pronoun "they".
God the Father Jehovah and Michael the archangel.
I don’t know what you meant about the beard… personally, I think its hot! Seriously tho, thank you for educating people. Everyone should do REAL homework before condemning, or even condoning others and their “behavior”
Will people stopping calling gay people queer ffs. It’s not about same sex attracted
Queer isn't used as a slur any more.
With the growing spread of homophobia in the world, particularly in the United States, videos of this nature, delving deeply into this topic, cannot be of more importance. I would like this to be screamed out from the rafters of every homophobic church all over the U.S. and the world in general. Much, much, needed indeed.
Thank you so much for the support. I always think about retiring, but messages like these ring true and so I keep on pressing. New video coming soon.
@@ThatTheologyTeacher : OH GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER. GOD BLESS YOU. PLEASE, PLEASE, DO!!
The sad and unfortunate thing is that too few knowledgeable, people are doing this sort of thing as is, so every last one of you helps immensely.
I have already, seen the videos over RUclips here, of the extremist churches in the U.S., calling for the death penalty of gay and lesbian people. Never did I think this level of religious fanaticism would arise within my lifetime, and in the United States of all places; and it seems to be growing all the time. It concerns me more than I can put into words. If you are gay Brother or bi or what have you; you are NOT, safe in this current, climate. None of us are. This is an issue which I wish we could find a way to settle once and for all. And the church MUST, find a safe, warm, and welcoming place for homosexual people, who are Children of God, as well.
Tons of Love and Support. We can chat any time if you like. Be Well and Safe. Out For Now.
PS: Please check out my comment to your latest video and let me know what you think, when you get the time. Thanks. 🥰🤗🖐🏼😔
I have been enjoying your videos but I have a question here regarding the end of the video and Paul. How do you reconcile the verse about being, after baptism neither male nor female, with Paul’s explanation of women being made after Adam and being the one to be deceived and therefore properly secondary to “Adam” as a head?
Buy a book called "What Paul Really Said About Women." It covers Greek words, their meanings and how some of these were untranslatable into English and resulting in mistaken translations. It also covers Hellenistic philosophy which crept into the Bible and affected Biblical thought. Paul actually was very pro-woman and was promoting a new idea of husband/wife relationships which including equality. I forget the details but there were two Greek words meaning head. The first means the boss which is how people (men in particular) interpret this BUT the Greek word he used is NOT the same word. The actual word meant, in military terms, something like scout who scouts for danger leading the army forward safely. The wife follows behind in safety but in actual equality. This is not an exact explanation but is in general what he is saying. The book hoes into much more detail. Furthermore, if you read the Bible, God's favorite women were those who broke the rules. There was a woman who hosted meetings in he home, snd a woman who was a Deacon in the church. I forget the names of all of them. There was a woman named Jaleal (??) who won a war for the Israelites by slaughtering the leader of the opposing army and then there was Esther who save her whole race.
Another Excellent video! A lot to take in and I will need to view again to absorb it in greater detail. Keep up the good work, love your videos!
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.": You made that up yourself, lol.
I am an atheists anyway but listening to this, I understand why reading the Bible destroys faith. Why would Gods words be so difficult to understand? WOW...
God's word isn't difficult, some people are just stupid. Just like how atoms are understandable, but few people understand them. WOW science is fake!
A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'...
My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE, when I was struck by lightning during September 1970.
Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave.
The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist.
For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is.
Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment.
The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing.
The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence.
The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists.
Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’.
On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication.
For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything.
NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.
"So that we can know them" That's known as some say as "knowing them Biblically" I think you missed that.
But were they planning to ask the visitors for their consent? "Would you like to do this with us?" That clearly was NOT what was going on!
Yes and in the New testament also it reads about Joseph and Mary _ that Joseph did not "know"(have sexual relations with) Mary until after Jesus was born.
In other words Joseph was able to consummate his marriage with Mary after Jesus was born. This way Joseph would continue his name as was in the Jewish tradition. So Mary and Joseph had other children which would be the siblings of Christ Jesus. Except Joseph was not the biological Father of Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God.
By any chance are you familiar with Dan McClellan?
Hello! You should have did Ezekiel 16:49-50 it condemns poor and needy, not homosexuality people love overlook scriptures. That should have been your claim.
Hi. I don't quite understand your comment. At 7:26 I do reference Ez 16:49-50.
@@ThatTheologyTeacher Hey and my bad I’m sorry.
No worries.
@@ThatTheologyTeacher Thank you, also religion and Christianity are two different things. One
has to be careful of insinuations and thoughts that Satan tries to pass off as the
Word of God. Yes the
Sodomites did not make love to the angels, they assaulted and rapped them. About religion, the Saduces, and the Pharasis were very religious but not Christian, okay?
At marker 00:31:52 you speak about god, separating Adam in two pieces, thereby creating an Eve ( even though they did not literally physically exist ) you continue, to share the information that they will forever long to reunite into one. This explains why the two always long to come together (🤨) but is there an explanation theoretically, why the males would also wish to come together? Females too? In simple terms, what explains in this same way why gay people want to come together also?
thx for giving me hope
A very dark, dark religion. Funny how these dark faiths are always talking about “ light”.
The Old Testament laws were directed to the Jews of the day. It is important for us to read and understand; however, the New Testament is addressed to all people’s at all times.
Yes, and fortunately the homophobes didn't get a chance to poison the New Testament.
Another issue with the ancient Israelites was that their numbers were always under threat of decimation. Therefore, their laws needed to promote procreation at all costs for the survival of the tribe.
I hear a lot of rationalizing about homosexuality. Bus as the old saying goes, "You can't paint a crow yellow and call it a canary."
I'm just wondering, when did you choose to be heterosexual? How do animals choose to be homosexual?
P clarsen - That is the silliest comment I have read today..
Is that similar to the saying that says " you can't throw the stone of subjective comparison while donning sheep's clothing and call oneself " good, moral, and righteous"?
Sore loser.
wait the adam and eve thing is really interesting, because in school, we had the topic sexuality and religion, and got a text by Plato, i dont know, how it is called in english, but its about that humans used to be only one gender, then got sepereted(but because of being to powerful) and now their goal was to get back together
The story of the two halves each seeking their other part is told in Plato's "Symposium" by the character of Aristophanes, the playwright. Wouldn't the writings of Plato have been accessible to, if not Paul, other rabbis and inhabitants of the land in that period? Or at least the myth itself which Aristophanes embellishes?
THANK YOU for this! I am a gay man who survived religious trauma and I can recite this off by heart and now I can copy and paste to online haters
❤
You survived religious trauma! What is that even mean? Actually I don’t want to know. This world is definitely living in the end of days and I’m not really that religious but I know sacrilege when I see it.
@@bobholmes65 The fact that you have access to the internet and didn't bother even to look it up before putting your two cents in says a lot..........
Growing up in an abusive home where your stepfather BEAT bible verses into your brain and every other part of your body for over a decade and had you convinced that the very thought of sin you're going straight to hell - I came out psychologically fucked up, ran from Canada to the USA and got sex trafficked....HOW Did I survive? I am writing this at 40.
I am not organized religious at all either,
and seems you're not either. If you were somewhat Christian you would have the understanding that quoting the bible is the complete opposite of sacrilege.
As for the end times we have been living in those for the last 2000 years.
Hope you learned something today! I wish
you all the love and peace in your life and your family. Be well.
...a lot of parents need to hear this stuff.
Religious trauma? What is that? Sexual assault by a Pedophile Rabbi, Imam, Lucifer worshipper or Priest?
Where are you preaching?
One thing I have learnt from this is words are always misinterpreted especially when it’s not translated by the original source. It’s why I totally focused on the words of Jesus himself which I have found to be mostly consist regardless of translations and he never mentioned homosexuality as a sin infact love was his MO and he mostly condemned judgmental people which we find in our churches these days.
Great work. Looking forward to more of your videos
Refreshingly stated! - and I agree!
You’re making things up to fit your lifestyle that goes against everything of God. You are kidding no one but yourselves. I don’t believe in these biblical stories verbatim but I do believe they have a religious purpose.
Man this was an amazing job well done!
Ezekiel 16:49-50 NIV -
'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. '
So why would THE ALMITY ONE made Adam & Eve? Why not Adam & Adam or Eve & Eve in the beginning?
And what race where they why are their many races 😂😂, Adam and eve was a genetic pool.. The lest came from them.
I bought a book called A Transparent Translation Concerning Homosexuality is pretty meaningful. If you had never read one it is taking the original text which is Hebrew or Aramaic, translated to Greek and even later to English. It talks about these passages and were difficult for me to understand. I’m so glad I found this video so I can begin to understand. I am grateful.
Jesus in the sermon on the mount, says, "Call no one teacher but God. Let no one call you teacher." Just about everyone seems to ignore that which means an awful lot of folk who think themselves saved are going to be told, "Go away. I never knew you."
Is that going to be your Jesus saying, ""Go away. I never knew you."?
Yet there are members of clergy who have no problem being the teacher.
As I have said repeatedly on social media, if gay "Christians" feel comfortable about appearing before Jesus' judgment seat then go right ahead. If someone wants to be gay, or have a gay marriage, go right ahead. But if you expect the Bible to approve your lifestyle, then you are wrong. All sex outside a married heterosexual couple is sin. The original marriage shows God's intentions. We live in a time where every aspect of traditional Christianity is going to be questioned. The judgment will show who is right and who is wrong. Men can say and do whatever here on Earth. Not there.
"If someone wants to be gay" there's your mistake right there
@@peterfraser9070 If I feel I have an inner urge for violence can I come and bash you? There are plenty of gays who have gone straight which shows it might be a birth disposition but not a birth condition like blue eyes.
Did you read Ezkiel 16:49-60 and Jerimiah 23:14? No one talks about why GOD sent Israel and Jerusalem into captivity. . GOD sent they were like Sodom and Gomorrah to HIM. According to James 2:2-3 KJV) the word Gay is used to describe a man with gold rings and richly dressed and how he is treated better than the man that is dressed poorly. Using the word Gay to describe homosexuals is not biblical. How did Gay mean homosexual? Please explain. Thank you. Good job.
No one said the word GAY is used in the bible to mean homosexual. Please pay attention.
Being homosexual is not a sin. Practicing homosexuality is a sin.
I don't practice anymore , I got it down pat !
strange theory
What if the Bible is a book of myths and legends?
Only 4mins in and am thankful that you made this video. I have felt alone trying to expose the truth!
Yeah sure. The Bible also says as in the days of Noah and Lot......
I was a Baptist Pastor and I am gay medically proven. In Gen 19 the Hebrew for "men" is enowsh. That word has been translated as "people" in dozens of places. eg Ex 10:7. In Jude 7 which is the only verse in the NT that says the sins of Sodom were sexual. The Greek is sakros heteras. Sakros means "flesh" We get our word heterosexual from "heteras". Jude 7 says the sins of Sodom was heterosexual, NOT homosexual.
The whole point of Romans 1 is Rom 2:1 which says "You therefore have no excuse you who pass judgement on someone else".
Interesting video. Thanks.
I research this topic constantly and what I have found is the arguments against homosexuality simply start with the glauber passages and end with “bc God said so” and the argument for homosexuality is made with deep understanding of the Bible as a whole with a lot of support for the argument
Notice practically no citations...
You need your citations
What does mother goose have to say?
Roman. Corinthian, Timothy
Paul frequently discusses the sanctity of marriage in his writings, despite having never married himself. He lived a single life, which sheds light on his teachings. In his letters to the Corinthians, he addresses a different audience and context. He emphasizes that love transcends the sexual aspect and advocates for sexual moderation.
However, Paul's writings often return to the topic of sexual ethics. He speaks out against male prostitution and homosexuality, which suggests he may be grappling with personal guilt and shame. He advises Timothy to avoid such struggles with sexuality.
Paul's perspective is that individuals interpret beliefs through their own lens. In Romans, he explains the creation of the world to the church in Rome and laments how sex, a divine gift, has been corrupted, deviating from its intended purpose as an act between a man and a woman, which he believes dismays God.
He appears to address issues that Jesus did not explicitly mention, indicating a personal connection to the subject. Paul's writings imply that the absence of love is akin to hell.
No need to apologize for your beard; it looks good. I like it!
Oh thank you :-)
@@ThatTheologyTeacher My pleasure!
The old testament offers many reasons to hate. It is a valuable resource!
Hate is fun
First of all, the term homosexual was coined by a guy named Karl Kertbeny in 1869, with the term heterosexual soon following.
When approaching this subject, everyone seems to want to contextualize it into irrelevancy: cultural norms of the time, etc. Yet the Bible also says that God doesn't change: "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever." (Heb. 13:8) "For I am the LORD, I change not...." (Malachi 3:6) KJV.
The key to understanding Sodom in Genesis 19, is Gibeah (short i) in Judges 19. Here we see similar events unfolding centuries apart with some key differences that help explain it much better. In Judges 19, one of the visitors is female, and she is taken by the mob, brutalized all night, and dies of her injuries. This means the men of Gibeah were clearly bisexual.
In both cases though, the daughter(s) of those sojourning with them were offered and rejected in favor of the new faces in town. In Sodom, both visitors were male, and the mob consisted of "...the men of Sodom..."..both old and young, all the people from every quarter." (Gen. 19:4). No population of any city, anywhere, ever had a population that was 100% homosexual. It wouldn't last as they wouldn't be reproducing: they'd die out. So, the men of Sodom were also bisexual. They most likely had the attitude of the men of Afghanistan, as reported in the press at the time when the U.S. was occupying it: Women for children, men for fun. (This was later modified to "Women for children, boys for fun," but you get the idea.) As both visitors to Sodom were angels, nothing the mob had planned was going to happen, whereas in Gibeah both visitors were mortal, so something was going to happen.
in Romans 1:27, the men in question here were also bisexual as they left "...the natural use of the woman...." by choice. It has often been pointed out that homosexuality is not a choice, but what has been missing is the fact that bisexuality offers a choice. And, if homosexuality is not a choice, it is not a sin, because sin is a choice: a choice to disobey, that is acted upon, in the case of doing what you were told not to do, or not doing what you were told to do.
Rather, it is a fault; and what does the Bible say about faults? "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." (James 5:16). In the case of this fault, you're basically commanded to "come out." The stress of keeping all this bottled up inside is not healthy.
An how should such a person be treated? Galatians 6:1-2 give us the answer: "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye on another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." For, as I Corinthians 10:13 says: "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way of escape, that ye may be able to bear it." It's your cross to bear.
As for using the two verses in Leviticus (18:22 & 20:13) to say that homosexuality is a sin, is like using the verse that condemns adultery (20:10,) with the same punishment, death, must make heterosexuality a sin too. Sexuality isn't the sin, it's what you do with it.
so the whole problem of it all is translation???? right...
Interpretation.
@@ThatTheologyTeacher interpretation? Ok ... Your interpretation is bias and very odd actually . But hey ... Is your interpretation after all .. nothing more
@@andersson2003 and your interpretation?
@@peterfraser9070 my interpretation is that it has been houndreads of men devoted to the biblical studies, theologists, professors, masters, with high knowledge of history, language, antropology etc, thats have been in charge of the many tranlations of the bible. Theres no way we can sit down and say "oh, i think the bible has been adultered, and we missunderstand the true meaning of the verses".....No!. Whats happening is that we see the society being more "open" to mans flaws and try to fit the bible into modern society without consider that there are thing that we need to abandon and reject from our very selves.
This was so interesting 👏🏾
Yes, we still use 2000 year old medical practices, transportation, tools, communication methods, etc. etc. etc. That is why 2000 year old spiritual practices are what we should use today.
What a mess of misinformation and purposeful obfuscation.
Thank you, Mr. Conspiracy Theorist.
Yes homosexuality is a sin, but how about fighting fornication which is encouraged in our societies today instead of bothering gays? From what I know, fornication is much worse than homosexuality.
stop helping
I don't believe in the bible so I don't care if it condemns who I am or not, but I'm fascinated by the fact that the bible has been shaped to fit people's narratives -- like having the word "homosexual" in it even when that word was created centuries later.
Great video! I became subscribed to the channel right now 🙌🏻
Thanks! Welcome aboard! New video coming out within the next few days.
@@ThatTheologyTeacherOh blow it out your butt.
I agree with examining the bible as a work of literature and trying to learn about the people who wrote the various parts. Trying to interpret it as the word of an unproveable and unknowable divine figure is just silly. No one has ever proven that any human actually knows the nature of a divine being, much less that such a being has communicated with anyone.
Yes, that's perfectly said. Imagine people presuming to say "God thinks this or God says that..." as if it isn't just people writing these things and trying to make sense of the world. They didn't understand homosexuality and thought it was gross so it's pretty predictable some people are gonna condemn it. That's their problem.
Btw, the story of Rahab is in Joshua 2, not Joshua 9.
I agree with the history of sodom and the biblical issues of it not being about homosexuality; conversely, that does not justify using the slander of post-modernists; there is no such thing as a "phobia" of homosexuality. (Phobia: an anxiety disorder defined by a persistent and excessive fear of an object or situation).
While I agree that definitely some people use the term homophobia too freely, it's pretty fair to say the word as it's used means more than just a literal phobia. We see this with other terms related to this. Language changes, and English words pretty much always have connotations beyond just a very strict/root word meaning.
This words has (for a long time now) meant more than just a fear of homosexuality, and insisting otherwise I've always found a very strange defensive stance, one that everyone pretty much dismisses out of hand.
@@wolfblaide I’m not sure what term could be used to define what it actually is. There may have been a genuine fear of the lifestyle up until the 90’s. But since 2010 the gay lifestyle had been accepted into social norms; aside from those who were opposed to gay marriage. It is now more an issue of it all being pushed down everyone’s throat through the state and corporations.
I was in support of gay marriage under the constitution. And race had improved to the point of voting in our first black president. But unfortunately It seems that since Obama’s presidency, be it circumstantial or not, everything has escalated in our society: racism, hate-slander, Transgenderism, unashamed political propaganda in schools and media, entitlement, grooming, political corruption, WEF, and hyperinflation.
Post-modernism may be a reaction against the slow progress of enlightenment rationalism, but it presents more as the tantrum of ignorant privilege through totalitarian control.
I mean this point philosophically now: post-modernism is largely effeminate, and appears to me to be an unbalanced extreme over-correction of matriarchy from the extremes of historical patriarchy.
@@PastorShayne I'm not in the US, so I think my perspective is different. My recommendation... turn the TV off (or computer, or whatever). Go outside. Or go visit other counties. We don't have the strange media environment that the US has, where all these things you mention start to become such huge noise, that makes it sound like they are all that matter. I don't hear ordinary people talk much about any of these topic you mention. They don't, because they are usually just contrived issues. Often its the media telling you this stuff is being pushed at you, when its that same media who is. What matters is respecting others and accepting them, which goes for Chistians and non Chistians alike. My 2 cents.
@@wolfblaide like it or not, the United States is imploding under the propaganda of it all.
“There is no such thing as a ‘phobia’ of homosexuality…”. Really? So then give us your vocabulary for the pathological hate that drives many males (often invoking pseudo Christian jargon) to literally beat gay men to death in a manner that the police will tell you is more violent than other violent crimes they see. The injuries, the ferocity of the attacks are well know among police forces world wide for their extreme and excessive violence. Just interested to know what you would call that passion and where you believe it comes from? Freud coined the term ‘homophobia’ to refer to an internal terror of being or having homosexual tendencies.
THANK YOU for clarifying this. Sure hope the ignorant, hateful, hypocrites see this!!!🤞🤞
They'll choose not to sadly. What is needed is to have it crammed down their throats as they forever, cram their shit down our throats.
Why not just dispense with the entire terrible book? It's useless.
Thank you for a better understanding of this confusing book.
What is the actual meaning of Leviticus 18 22?
Most traditional English translations interpret Leviticus 18:22 as a divine condemnation of erotic, same-sex relationships
Yes, they are lazy translations.
Imagine people presuming to say "God thinks this..." as if it wasn't just people writing the bible to try and make sense of the world. A creator of the universe is something beyond man's comprehension, so people try to create God in man's image so they can pretend to understand "him" and how "he" "feels" about something. The writers of the bible couldn't understand homosexuality and thought it was gross, so it's pretty predictable that they would condemn it. It's nothing.
It seems when there are censurable statements about pagan homosexuality, or prostitution, there is something else attatched to it, whether it is paganism or bad behavior. Furthermore, in the New Testament, there is a new emphasis against judging others. If one reads the Sermon on the Mount, there is a prohibition against looking lustfully at a woman specifically. I don't believe he said this to condemn, but if one reads further, to prevent the condemning of others.
I wish most seminaries would actually study the same content before becoming ministers.
It always floored me that homosexuality is one Leviticus death penalty, whereas a bacon double cheese burger is three death penalties.
By the by, why don't fundamentalists ever cite Leviticus on fair labor relationships or respect and care for the poor.
"it always floored me that homosexuality is one Leviticus death penalty, whereas a bacon double cheese burger is three death penalties": that's because it's more fattening
That's great information you're providing! Keep up the good work!
And just to add a little more to the master piece video you made... there's also another problem with Leviticus and it tends to be overlooked! It basically is that not even jews are clear on what's been truly forbidden in the text, 'cause the word used in that prhase could mean 2 things: 1 anal intercourse or 2 intercouser with an androgynous person.
And scholar jews argue: if it is the second option, then there's no problem for homosexual intercourse and if it is the first option, then it is forbidden for both men and women. And they also highlight that this text is specifically directed to priests and only priests, therefore it cannot and must not be applied to other jews, just priests!
I like it! Thanks for the additional info.
Additional thought 1 Chronicles gives a genealogy to start the book in chapter 1 it starts with Adam and continues forward. Looking at Genesis as only lessons and stories from the beginning of the book is in conflict with 1 Chronicles if the bible has errors we can not trust any of it and should not be the basis for Judaism or christianity or gasp even while some things may be extrapolated from these verses of scripture It actually happened and historical too. Keep in mind 1 and 2 Chronicles are pieces of historical literature in the bible.
Yes, 1 and 2 Chronicles are historical sources and that's valuable, and as far as moral messages go, it is a dangerous mistake to obsess on the words those people wrote and take them too seriously.
Tell us what is homophobia?
Yes, imagine people presuming to say "God thinks this or God says that..." as if it wasn't just people writing the bible to try and make sense of the world. A creator of the universe is something beyond man's comprehension, so people try to create God in man's image so they can pretend to understand "him" and how "he" "feels" about something. The writers of the bible couldn't understand homosexuality and thought it was gross, so it's pretty predictable that they would condemn it.
O my word!! You changed the narrative to suit what you want.
All Christians do that to some extent, which is among other things, a logical conseqence of the inconsistent nature and all the conflicting passages in the bible,
Christian homophobes read homohate in the bible simply because they like to hate gay people . Many Christians are in state of cognitieve dissonance concerning homosexuality, brw. That's were the "hate the sin , love the sinner" crap comes in.
If I were you, I wouldn't take the bible too seriously; it is simply a man-made book pretending to be written by God, which is obviously impossible. And as for this "sexual immorality" stuff, it's a modern thought; there is no evidence to suggest that even if there were a "God" in the way you think, that "he" would create gay people and then say they were bad. That would be "God"'s own mistake. Man has merely constructed a "God" in man's own image.
is McNeill a reliable source? He was the first reading that was recommended to me about homosexuality, faith and the Bible, but not only is it difficult to find in Italian, but I know that he was a psychologist, if he was also a priest I don't know to what extent he can be a guarantee of preparation in biblical exegesis.
It's all very interesting, although for those of us who have come to consider the whole thing of a creator as a myth, the relevance is only about how to debate our oppressors...
Another excellent presentation. Groundbreaking. Thank you Sir
Sorry brother his exegesis it’s somewhat weak Sodom and Gomorrah have a lot more to do with angels like in Genesis chapter 6If you check out Dr. Michael Heizer’s book on the unseen realm or his podcast he will find him very insightful and I must be honest he is an actual scholar and I don’t think this man is good luck God bless
Read Song of Song that is Solomon's in its original Hebrew and not in the Greek Septuagint translation. It is a highly charged and beautiful homoerotic love song.
Really????!
That theology teacher doesn't agree.
Angels are beautiful and would more likely be seen as female. So, not homosexual at all.
Youve missed out some classic passages, one of them about Noah's drunken stupor (Gen. 9.22+) when his son Ham finds him naked and out for the count and (we would interpret) takes advantage and puts it up his nether region, for which Cam is later punished. Another is the well-known episode in one of the Kings books, when Saul's son Jonathan dies and David declares that to him J's love has been better than the love of women. (Actually, David had also previously been laid by Saul). So, it would seem that such goings on were fairly common in the ancient world, so much so that they were usually not considered newsworthy. (Unlike nowadays, when people have lost all sense of discretion and privacy and evrywun is hooked on prurient gossip.)
Ham did not shtoop Noah up the yin yang...that's bonkers. No way that's in the bible - is it?
How have you been homosexualized?
How have you been homosexualized - and how can I do it too?
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In the ancient world it is my understanding is that cities were considered places of refuge for travelers, since the countryside was dangerous due to banditry. The sin of Sodom was to have become corrupt, maybe even a stronghold for bandits themselves. Back then this was the worst kind of offense. God hates violence, not love.
New ten commandments
1. Mind your own business
I was lucky to be raised Catholic so it was no problem simply dumping the religion thing. I will say though it was traumatically awkward for all involved when we had to get state mandated sex ed from a nun at the Catholic school.
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I’m glad I didn’t listen to you. I’m free from the homosexual life I used to live and I am free in Christ. Thank God for rescuing me from my sin. I pray He does the same for everyone here.
"I’m free from the homosexual life I used to live": you're tragically self-hating
Your comment reeks of conversion therapy practices. If this is what has happened to you then I am so sorry. Please watch 'Pray Away'. God bless.
Is that what you’re telling yourself? Do you think that if you repeat the mantra ten thousand times a day, it will become true?
The holy spirit didn't heal all the pedophile priests of the roman catholic church. But only you are cured by the holy spirit from homosexuality? Don"t think you can fool me
Son of god always say love each other like god love everyone it mean god like LGBTQ people too.
True sin always was hate every sin started with hate.Hate com from devil.Eveyone love and support each other respect each other like god love all and will respect every one❤😊❤🏳️🌈❤🕊️
You look much better with the beard.
Whatever melts the butter of others is not my concern as long as they are 18 and willing 🤔
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Lev. 20.13)
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," (1Cor. 6.9). Seems pretty clear to me. Sodomites can delude themselves all they want, but God is the judge.
@igregmart : Where did you get the word Sodomite from? 🤔
You are quoting Paul, who also directs slaves to fear their masters and women to obey their husbands and be silent in church. So, assuming you are a Christian, what did Christ himself have to say about homosexuality?
@@gulfislander11 He is also quoting from Leviticus and uses the word "abomination" from it (when many Christians completely ignore Levitical laws saying they are not for Christians), but if they are going to quote it as they do concerning homosexuality they must also take as seriously the prohibition on eating shellfish which is also described as an "abomination" four times.
This seems to be very selective quotations, yet conveniently ignore what might affect them, such as fornication, adultery, lying, gossip, slander, coveting, and a whole host of other "sins"!
You are right about Christ not saying anything specific about homosexuality, although He did refer to last days being like the time of Lot, which is a reference to Sodom and Gomorrah.
However, after learning to read Hebrew fluently in Israel as a chef, the story of Sodom read very differently in the original text where the word rendered as "men" in the story is actually the male plural word "ANASHIM" which means "people" (inclusive of females but written in male format) and comes from the related root word "ANUSH" which means "human", not exclusively male.
This is seen throughout the Bible where terms like "sons of God," "men of Galilee" at the Ascension and "men of Jerusalem" on the Day of Pentecost also include females in the male plural. If one reads Genesis 19:4 using "people" instead of "men" there is no homosexual story.
Of course biased closed minded people will not consider this grammatical reality due to being blinded by self-righteous condemnation and judgement convinced of this imaginary gay plot.
However, the Bible itself proves it itself when one reads later in the same verse where the English word "people" is used as well, which is the small singular Hebrew word "AM" which describes the whole citizenry of Sodom as "people from every quarter" (of the city) just as it used elsewhere in singular form, as with "AM ISRAEL," the "people of Israel" etc. So it is in there.
Thank you for your comment, as very few Christians keep women silent in church etc! 💕
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 Thanks for that.
@@gulfislander11 You're welcome 🙂
I love your teachings about the LGT community, but it seems that the only people that condemns homosexuals are men and not Jesus/God, may be i missed a video that talks about this since i just happens to stumble upon your channel just a few days ago.
I would agree with you, Andy. Mankind, and the fact that the bibles we have are not exactly like the original texta, are the culprit. Excellent books on this are the books of author named Michael Wood. Some of his books are "The Hidden Bible", "The Jesus Secret" and "Breaking The Romans Code".
then you never knew Jesus
Correct, if there are passages in the bible condemning gay people, it is a result of the homophobia of the people who wrote the bible.