Ultralight Articulating Bino NVGs: Low Light Innovations LLUL-21
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Thank you for the review! We always appreciate both criticism and feedback. However, I would like the chance to correct you on one thing. In regards to the hinge screws, it's actually impossible for them to back out with regular use, we designed our hinge screws to lock with Nylock nuts, furthermore, the through hole in which the screw passes through is a larger diameter than the pod itself. When the pod is rotating, it makes no contact with the screw meaning that your screw will never change position.
We see your concerns about the dovetail interface and have been refining our dovetail as much as possible. We have a promising new revision for the dovetail that addresses all concerns, and likely be one of the strongest on the market due to the complex geometry of it.
Thank you again for your honest review! Constructive feedback like yours is what helps excel our products and pushes those products to the next level.
- Claude
That's good to know! Thanks Claude, I appreciate you guys :)
What type of polymer and technology are they printed with? Very compelling product, looks like SLS PA12?
Upload some content. You'd get so much more customers if you posted
I want NODs for literally no reason other than they're cool.
That's a pretty good reason
That's why I got mine now I have 3 units and currently putting together a 4th
I wanted them because of Jurassic Park, I got them because of Summer 2020.
@KidCorporate I retired in 2018 from the Army. When everything went nuts, I went ahead and jumped in too. Now moved out of a city I use them to keep trash pandas and armadillos away 😆
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Hop is once again the peoples reviewer. Thanks for the bit of footage from us, and for the crit on the LLI housing. We're in constant comms with LLI and they are very receptive to customer feedback.
I almost wish I was Canadian so I could buy NODs from you guys
almost
@@Hoplopfheil the bacon might be worth it (it's not just ham)
Almost... but then you remember the mag capacity and cringe.
Can't wait for the LULW-21KEKW made out of cardboard tubing for that ultimate weight saving.
I just got in my LLUL-21s today. Upgraded from a WP 14 (and a PVS7 before that). Dealt with Claude the whole time, nothing but good things to say about the customer service. Can't wait to get out with it.
Claude is the man!
Great video! Footage featuring the cat has increased from 13s to 32s! Great job! More cat footage please in the next one!
Nice, that's true, nice
-me agreeing with Hop while being too poor to afford NODS
Come for nods, stay for kitteh, comment for algorithm. Saving pennies every day to one day become has-nods, but until then....I lurk.
Love mine. LLI has some of the best customer service and free tube installation when you buy their housing
Really now I was unaware of this I had built my units but want one of these I have the tubes already and didn't know this was a thing😍
Its not exactly the same thing but when I was in the army I broke 3 separate sets of PSQ-20Bs where the metal mount interfaces with the plastic body, the little metal piece stayed on the rhinomount, the plastic body did not. Hopefully those dont suffer the same fate
LLI is local to me, talking to the owner he said they don’t want to sell anything they personally don’t make. Gotta love the innovation that they’re pushing out
Thanks for the video. I think the katana kind of owns this space at least for now. Just wish there was a manual gain option for them. I don’t NEED to turn my gain down a ton but when I do, it’s really nice.
Picked up a pair of the V2s, have already had my dovetail crack right down the middle with normal use. They are taking care of me, excellent customer service.
That being said, I i am having a bit of buyers remorse as I thought the dovetail portion would have been more robust. Looking at the Katana, I may have to see about possibly swapping in my tubes to that housing and relegate this LLUL housing for a cheapo GP set as a backup/friend use or something.
I’ve never been able to wait more than 10 minutes before watching a new video you dropped.
These look promising. Personally I've already invested in a mono from Nocturn Industries (the Tanto) which is insanely light, especially with the RPO 3.0 eyepiece. Since I've put so much into that I'm saving up for another to pair it with their bridge. Specifically steered away from a PVS-14 because I ultimately wanted binos and RNVG just looked like a brutal neck workout. If I had to start over again though I might have gone with these.
I have LLUL-21s with RPO 3.0 glass. 2700FOM L3 tubes. They are incredible. I agree it might be nice to be able to pop them off the dovetail and use them handheld so a friend can try them without donning my helmet, but that’s a minor gripe.
@@paintballplayer700 Very nice... I got the top of the line Elbit WP tubes but L3 was a bit much for me. Also I'm only bridging two monos because I couldn't afford binos all at once, haha. But being able to use as a handheld for family member/others in a SHTF scenario is definitely a big plus, like you mentioned.
its pretty easy to just sell your tanto housing and keep your glass and tube and swap over... you'll save almost a thousand dollars if you do this and swap to the LLUL-21 instead of buying the daisho bridge and another tanto. I just sold my tanto housing, this is exactly what I'm doing.
I have a set of BNVD 1431 MKII's as well as a set of LLUL-21's so i totally understand what you mean about the trade off, of having NODS that are lighter weight at the cost of convenience. The only thing I didn't hear mentioned in this review is that Low Light Innovations (LLI) have a "No Questions Asked" Warranty on the housing. So if the LLUL-21 housing fails for any reason, LLI will replace them. Also, if LLI come out with a newer housing they will give you full retail for your old LLUL-21 housing should you choose to upgrade. As Always....Great Review HOP!!!!
Big fan of Low Light Innovations as a company.
That...plus pig hunting at night. The street lights aren't always adequate.
Why is 3D printed plastic $1299.
Use large o-rings on the objectives of the NODs for the bungees to hook to. Keep a few extra in case of breakages.
Have had my 21 since February 23. Been very happy with it. Actually went down yo the shop to pick them up when they were ready. Hung out with the guys in the shop for sevwral hours. Fantastic people, great service. Also Theyre. Happy to answer any questions you have about noght vision even if youre not a customer. I cant recommend LLI enough. If your in the market for a set of light weight durable dual tubes, definitely give them a look.
I wonder if you're ever gonna do a memey Sseth style deal where we see all of the undoubtedly endless mobile game emails you get.
Love the content as always, keep it up!
Glad to see you review these, I've been looking forward to it! I really wonder how the long term durability of these are and the flex is worrying but the weight is tempting. I'm hoping to pick up one more night vision set sometime and I kinda doubt this is it for the purpose I have, handing one to a friend so we can go out at night and maybe shoot. I lean toward the RPNVG's right now for a long term future purchase but I'll be keeping an eye on LLI in the future to see what else they come out with. Right now the prospect of detaching a set of bino's to create a pair of mono's is maybe more useful for my purposes than an ultra-lightweight set.
I picked up the LLUL-21 as my first set of night vision. Very lightweight, I haven’t really used them outside of hiking and star gazing… all and all I like them
I'm not sure if I share your past sentiment on 3d printing being a waste of plastic, as I think it has some huge benefits in terms of rapid prototyping and self manufacturing. I do question it being used as a manufacturing process for a final, retail product. I suppose these are pretty low volume products. Have you had any issues with any of these 3DP night vision parts/accessories?
No durability issues, and LLI has video of them spiking the things into concrete. The housing will probably be much more durable than the optics and intensifier tubes.
I just want to know what the cat did with the paraplegic mouse 😬
rat die :(
@@jasoncownRIP rat friend.
Would like to see a video on the Lo Sto vs Wilcox G24
I bought these yesterday. Sad I didn’t wait for your video to come out but hey I didn’t even know it was going to😂. I’m still excited to get them I’m just a little worried right now about the strength of them. Maybe I should have just gone with the katanas
"We own the night... Maybe" - Hop, probably
Wow, things have definitely come a long way. I use to use about seven "duck taped" rolls of pennies, themselves duck taped together, and then velcroed to the back of my flight helmet to counter the gen 1's we used while crewing UH-60s in the 101st...
The thing I remember most? *Hot spots suck!*
Tire balancing weights worked well for me in 82nd Dustoff.
I love my Nocturn industries UANVB setup❤
Those look like a nightmare. I would be worried constantly about screws not being tight. I got the next best thing; 1431 MKII's with RPO 3.0 glass. Having two power sources, manual gain and common optics + tubes were requirements for me. The RPO glass allows me to balance the 1431's with just the Argus usbp. Overall great, but I feel like I end up using my pvs-14 more, much easier to just bring a thermal up to your eye without having to rotate a pod out of the way.
I looked up the CIE coordinates for P45 and its web color name is Moonstone.
honestly would love to see a comparison with these and a set of bnvd 1431 mkii housings. both are budget orientated and have similar pros and cons.
As a professional user of NVGs, plastic dovetail housing, cheaper plastic materials holding very expensive optics makes me leery. Smacking nods on entryways, in and out of cars, whatever stuff you might not intend to bump into when wearing them requires just a little bit of robust materials to ensure they don’t snap right off. While I can appreciate saving weight, I’d rather have the option for an onboard battery AND a cable/battery pack. Plenty of times I didn’t run a battery pack for a number of reasons. I do like the market expanding its options and 3d printing has come a long way. This seems like a good way to repurpose anvis tubes cheaper than other market options. And most people are going to take them out very rarely anyway, so might as well save some money where you can if you can live with the downsides
I’ve had the chance to compare these to the rest of the reputable housings on the market and man…these look and feel wayyyy cheaper than the rest of them by a good bit. Not sure I would spend multiple thousands of dollars on these as my only set. Maybe on a third or fourth device with cheap surplus tubes in them.
Tanks for keeping us up to date 😂😂
Yeah Hop.... my favorite youtube personality.
Hop is the definition of buy twice cry thrice.
I think I would absolutely love some nods, if I were less broke, but I think the biggest barrier for me would be leaving the light pollution behind in Arizona. Nights here are either super clear and bright, so much so that I can clearly see miles without nods, or so overcast that I can’t see beyond my arm without light pollution making the clouds orange
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Very cool set up!
The Katana housing is better IMO. They even have mil contracts as the “Vyper”. Metal shoe, individual pod shit off, stupid light, robust, etc
I like your cat.
Looking forward to the review on the Nocturn Industries Tantos and Daisho bridge
I know weight savings on your helmet is a massive influence on most of your decisions. But. If your still on the hunt for a good system. I would like to recommend the bnvd mk2. Slightly heavier. 600g . But. I have put them through absolute hell and they havent missed a beat. The 31s were a pain to get pieces for and these take 14 optics. So they have all the 14 adjustments.
And they are not printed. Glassfilled nylon polymer mold. The only real downside if you see it as one is the pod doesnt turn off as you fold it up. Only when stowed.
I scored mine from a place called techsavvyoptics out of Texas and he does add the manual gain control. So even if you get just the housing. It can be done fairly easy. But he offers them with photonis wp for 5 grand . Even my high fom elbits were a fuckin deal. Worth a peak
Also- torque screws are superior to other types- nice.
i'm a katana person and I dig 'em! my friends have a few pairs of LLULs, one aeternus, one friend has 1431s and another pal has a 14, but I don't spend a lot of time with any of their devices, so other than being annoyed by the differences between their devices and mine, i don't really notice the features. all of our helmets are set up, so it's not like the difference in balance really impacts me.
I'd say the style of printing on the nocturne feels tougher and more hard-wearing which makes me feel more secure. I'm really into the 123a in the click button because I have a lot of non-tactical use for my set, I like Stargazing with my sub and she considers the opportunity a reward for good behavior- it's nice to not have that reward marred by the inclusion of my sweaty ops core carbon with the blackbeard patch and the peltors.
TBH i don't believe any bino setup is ever going to be the ticket for running an ultralight NV rig for training or ReCcE because monoculars exist and will be roughly half the weight. it's nice to have lighter weight but if i were buying again now, i'd pay in ounces and articulation just to hear those three little words, "these are bombproof."
Articulation wins out over worry of internal wire damage.
Guys only want one thing: A group of buddies to LARP around with NODs in the mountains.
Cool idea, but the last thing I want in a device that costs thousands of dollars of my own money is a plastic jank factor.
Where do you find used/surplus tubes?
Do they have specifically bino tubes?
If you're concerned about the tension screw backing out you might have luck usong a phosphor bronze washer(s) along with some blue loctite
the lulu lemon 21s, 3d printed junk that slowly degrades due to the plastic and sucks with no onboard battery.
tell me what happens when the IPD stops are constantly digging into the housing, and the plastic on the dovetail is constantly being worn down. lol. and the placement of the plug was atrocious on the v1 and only slightly better on the v2. forces you to wear nods on max adjustment because the plug inferferes w the the helmet. and no built in points to hook retention lol.
MJF printing is not bio degradable. The housing will not degrade overtime. The port placement on the V2 allows for maximum adjustment with any helmet setup. In addition to this, the LLUL-21 is trusted by many LE departments across the nation. It's also utilized by current contractors both domestic and abroad.
@@LowLightInnovations
>cops
>contractors
lol
I think we have lost our poors Hop to the busie NVG Hop😂
I’m only here for the kitty scritches
Cats don't even need NODs Hop.
You see the new Eotech nods? I don't know what to think about them.
look pretty cool. probably gonna cost $15k
It’s a Romanian housing and mystery meat 47deg lens which almost always have very bad warping/fisheye. The current eotech NVG are considered mediocre at best. Not worth anywhere near the 10-13k plus asking price with photons 4G tunes. Actually a joke trying to charge that much
Pretty much PVS31D they are good
Mine are great ...But I would sacrifice an ounce or two for a more robust dovetail design
I think everyone wishes humans had tails. Like imagine the moms at walmart saying "omg your hair is so pretty ;3" then you'd say thanks with a straight face but if we had a tail that shi would be waggin so fast. then she'll notice it and be like "aww look at you getting all excited for mommy" then you'd start to blush and get all embarrassed and shi x3... tall feeling me on this one
We need tactical Socko now. Can he have his own plate carrier and bump helmet?
Can you do a review on Arc Panning Bridge? It can change fov within a second, without needing to adjust for IPD. I heard that it’s a more practical panobridge, but honestly I want to see a review first before buying into it.
Hop, have you heard of the laserspeed fl5 or M3 variants? These Chinese laser modules seem to have better than holosun and perst quality (cleaner illuminator, powerful lasers) for under $1000. I'd recommend u try some out and make a vid, I'd bet it'd be very interesting 4u
Keltec NODS? Let's go lol
I'd say for me the articulating feature I can not live without, not having on board power is acceptable, and that it being 3D printed I might be able to live with? I'm relatively happy with my DTNVS but I do want the option to run battery pack and want it to be lighter.
5:28 The infinity focus stop ring on this device would work just fine if Hop bothered to set it by tightening the grub screw. The ring on this device is just like the one on any PVS-14 or other device using standard PVS-14 style focus stop rings. You can even see the grub screw in this video while he is spinning the ring around, so the problem isn't that the component wasn't provided correctly. The criticism presented that the LLUL-21's focus stop ring doesn't work is not valid as Hop simply didn't understand how to make use of that feature.
Those screws don't tighten, they're just there to keep the ring from turning too far and falling off.
@@Hoplopfheil _If_ it is true that the screws in your infinity stop rings don't tighten, then there is a problem with your specific device and you should reach out to LLI to get it resolved. Either that, or you simply haven't set the infinity stop correctly. But people watching should know that the infinity stop ring on the LLUL-21 is designed the same way as any other standard ring and can definitely be set to prevent the objective from rotating past infinity.
Can we get a review of some PVS-15’s I know they are old, outdated, and very proprietary, not easy to get and not cheap but who better to do a review on a such a thing. I’ve always wanted a pair of them ever since I saw the cool guys overseas wearing them but have always feared i wouldn’t like them. One of those reality is often disappointing kind of things
Yea, they suck, it's like dual pvs14s
If you twist one tube down and the other up, I'm sure those hinges will give and crack.
Dope
I don’t understand 3d print guys, they always are raving about how they can print anything and create anything, and then they make a night vision device with no retention loops and a plastic dovetail lol
Im seeing some pvs-69 inspirations here
The next question, can you live with/without pano?
Hopefully at some point the cost will come down to the point I can afford it without a guilty conscience lol
Kitty has its own night vision.
Have y’all considered training with eyecups in place for practice against near peer forces that can see your green eye sockets or at least testing how well you can see someone with goblin eyes?
Near peer forces lmao. War today is get picked up as a little dot by a thermal drone, and then shelled.
@@Tattlebot Worked really well on the Taliban
@@Tattlebot I too can "LMAO"
@@RunningWithSauce Iraq and Afghanistan must never be used as a source for military doctrine. This should be obvious.
@@Tattlebot what should be obvious is every war since WWII has shittastic ROE and again you’re being argumentative to be argumentative. I don’t need to win. I’m just stating facts. If you think the US Government would go unleashed ROE on its own citizens when it didn’t on other country’s then I can’t help you. Good luck.
Hop, do you have any thoughts on the Armasight BNVD. I can pick up their new pinnacle line 40's/51's with 2376 min FOV pinnacle tubes for 6k (Mil discount). I can't find anything with similar tube specs for the price. I'm worried about the weight/housing though.
could you do a review on the holosun HS403C
sionyx opsin when?
when the technology gets better. they suck right now compared to pvs
Maybe if the price of the Opsin goes way down and the price of real night vision goes way up.
opsin is bad and over priced. stick with the auora if you want some digital/budget nods. made a video about it on my channel if you wanna give it a watch
Holy shit it's a possum tactical PVC patch
Otto review when?
Not night vision related, but how is the Anderson Dissipator holding up? Just curious what your initial impressions and experience with the rifle have been
shits gonna snap the moment you bump into a branch or something
😎
Respect trees 😂
sup Hop.
the battery pack connector. fischer, not the 4 prong lemo?
have RNVGs (yes on purpose) wish there was a 90 degree cable/battery-pack like this. (i do have the lpvo-go.)
yeah for these youll need a fischer port.
This is in essence a copy of the PVS-69
Where patch from 👀
I like trees
What are your thoughts on sighting in laser aiming module? Do you use parallel or converging then distance you do zero it at?
Full kitty video someday?
What do you think about the primary arms 1x6 raptor
Anything you review of the low budget variety…? Lol
Putting lead bars on a helmet just to add weight? Y'all are wild😂
People have been pushed out of service due to neck injury.
Is it just me or does Hop use the Holosun HS510 often in NV videos? Or is it just a bunch of spare stock footage? Perhaps the 510 is not as terrible for NV that I felt like he said it was or I’m mis remembering
It's a spare optic that goes on all sorts of guns. It's not a good option for use with night vision.
so it's 3-d printed plastic in a 3-d printed plasticy mount, with a 3-d printed platicy-ey arm, and feels like 3-d printer non robust platicy-ey-ey feeling may break at any minute feeling? But is it cheap? Does it work? LOL that's all most people care about.
Expecting plastic stuff to snap apart and break at any moment is fud lore
If the 3D printed gun community is anything to go off of its that 3D printed plastics are far from ultra fragile
I think there is actual criticism in the dovetail and holding mechanism being entirely plastic, as that's a point of high stress that would definitely do with a metal upgrade
Cooom
But does sock o like the NODS?
Can IR lasers be recognized?
Depends on the wavelength and photocathode chemistry. There's a sweet spot that multialkali can detect well, but can hardly be seen on GaAs. Usefulness is debatable.
Hop how long would you say it took you to get proficient at using nods?
I don't know, am I proficient yet? I find that when I switch back to a monocular there is an adjustment period, but binos are extremely natural to use.
Am I weird for wanting gain control?
No, I think most people want it, the market in general has accepted manual gain as beneficial.
Watching Trex's vid with the guy from Nocturnality, he pointed out that you can use iris caps to achieve the same thing, unless i was misunderstanding what he was saying. I'm not a user yet but will be soon. Manual gain may not be that big of a deal in the grand scheme, but again idk.
@@musician445 I really think the Trex vids did more harm than good, the Nocturnality guy did a lot of general talking which muddied the waters, but didn't do enough to clear them up.
It is true if you have a device that does not have manual gain, you can still influence the brightness you receive by using adjustable iris caps. However there is a serious drawback to doing this. You are limiting the amount of light coming into the device to achieve this desired outcome. Which will reduce the light amplification properties of your device. Plus automatic gain may still automatically adjust when you may not want it to.
Gain control just reduces how much the device amplifies the light in the image sent to your eyeball. While still allowing the maximum amount of light into the intensifier tube. Remember, you need some light in order for the device to function. Manual gain is really useful because of how varied lighting conditions may be. It also allows you to better set your brightness so your natural night vision doesn't get completely nuked in one or both eyes.
I strongly recommend getting a device with manual gain, which isn't hard since the majority of new devices have that feature. I believe what the Nocturnality rep was trying to express was not getting bogged down if your device doesn't have manual gain. Instead make lemonade with those lemons and get the adjustable iris cap to solve your problem. Because night vision devices are expensive and replacing them isn't usually practical.
I have LLULs. Have not missed manual gain once. If I really want it darker I can dial my irises down.
Why’d you delete the YT stream >:(((((
I love the design but would want it in aluminum and with a gain control
The weight saved is not worth it IMO
Lol 6 grand !