The incredible F1 mess Alpine is in trying to replace Fernando Alonso with Oscar Piastri
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Since Alpine unexpectedly lost Fernando Alonso to Aston Martin for 2023 earlier this week, things have got even worse for the team.
It announced reserve driver Oscar Piastri as Alonso’ replacement the following day - but amazingly, Piastri said this isn’t true!
Alonso stunned Alpine by telling his current team he would finalise a new contract with them, while secretly doing a deal to join Aston Martin.
And now Alpine has been shocked again, with Piastri’s attempt to snub his own promotion, amid rumours he is trying to join McLaren.
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Who'd have thought that the biggest blunder in F1 this week wouldn't be from Ferrari
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They split duties... Ferrari on track, Alpine off track.
Well, most of the week is still ahead
Alpine this season is like Ferrari 2.0
The line between bravery and stupidity is a very fine one
Piastri is about to find out which side of this line he is on
Exactly!!!
he said nothing wrong
Agreed. This looks bad for Alpine, but I don't think it reflects particularly well on Piastri either.
He might not even get a seat now :/
@@Gl-my8fw He went against a public announcement from his (former) employer, IF the contract is indeed in place (like Alpine has claimed) then he is definitely in the wrong. He technically didn't say anything wrong, but that action is pretty brave. I like it but it might not be good for him.
Thank you, Sebastian and Fernando, for giving us the best silly season in some years!
now imagine if Danny Ric retires as well. We'll be at least 1 driver short. (not to mention that Lewis also said he'll stay no more than 2 more years). It's clearly an end of an era.
@@Inferiis did Lewis really say that? I cant believe i havent seen anything about that.
@@umungus518 He said that earlier this season, but I have no source, and it was an interview only, so that doesn't mean he won't stay another 5.
@@Inferiis thats fair. Im shocked that the f1 media didn't have a frenzy with that or maybe I just missed it. Im not really a fan of him but I do hope he stays around for a while and continues fighting for championships.
Basically...
Alonso didn't "secretly do a deal with AM". According to F1's very own Lawrence Barretto, his sources (Alonso's people) Alonso wanted a multi-year deal with Alpine, Alpine only offered one year to warmed the seat for Oscar Piastri. Alonso feel like with all the things he has done for Alpine, it was an insult that Alpine would only offered him one year. Alonso had his agent going back to Alpine and tell them he want to stay, he loves the mechanics, the team, and he believed they can fight for podiums, Lawrence Barretto said his agent returned and Alpine still only offered him 2023, and nothing beyond, Alonso said he'll think about it, it was 50/50 if he would walked away, he doesn't want to be a seat warmer, and he feel Alpine didn't appreciate what he's done for the team. It was quite for weeks from Alonso as he contemplated leaving F1 according to Lawrence Barretto. It all changed when Vettel decided to retired, he talked with Lawrence Stroll, Vettel recommended Mick Schumacher as first choice, and Alonso has a long shot if, and only if Lawrence Stroll offered him a multi-year deal. AM gave Alonso what he wanted, a team with more money coming, including a new factory and wind tunnel, he's united with some of his old engineers, and AM has been showing pace lately.
I agree with you.
BEST comment about Alonso VS Alpine 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
exellent very well said!
all the thing's he's done, meaning coming second to ocon every time ? lol
A year later, but their decade-long Ocon contract was idiotic. Still cannot conceive of why they would ever give that to a guy who had no real options n
For Piastri's sake one would hope he is getting really good advice and actually has something ironclad with McLaren
He would obviously have a pre contract signed, if not an actual contract
They will just let Ricciardo announce his "retirement" the same as AM did for Vettel
@@shaggydoggs put Piastri in McLaren.
@@shaggydoggs McLaren may want to transfer to a car in another circuit like Alpine was trying to do with Alonso rather than push for a retirement
@@Marcusjnmc Yeah I would say something like indy car would be probable, but regardless "retire" from F1
The guy has a better pre-F1 record than almost all of the F1 grid and you're acting like he's fighting for scraps at the bottom 😂If he doesn't have a definite seat for 2023; the grid is going to see a few retirements over the next 2/3 seasons and teams definitely want to have drivers contracted in place to take those seats, especially the best rookie in years.
I love how a week ago Piastri didn't have a seat, and Alpines first option was Alonso. So the natural thing to do for him is to chase down a seat himself. As all of you have been saying for months. Then Alonso leaves Alpine, and suddenly Piastri is bad for chasing down a seat, that he never had 2 days ago.
Chasing down a seat is not bad. It’s the manner in which he turned down Alpine publicly. He unfortunately made it confrontational. Hope it doesn’t come back to bite him
Agreed, Alpine should've gotten in contact with him and his team before releasing that statement to the public.
@@Abhishek-qj2iz Huh? Alpine made a public statement and Oscar publicly denied it - he wasn't rude he just stated facts. Piastri won Formula Renault in 2019, F3 in 2020 and F2 in 2021 - the fact they didn't give him a seat was absurd and anyone in his position would try to find another team if given the opportunity.
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@@camthompson4191 it’s very unprofessional the way he handled it on twitter. It will bite back not only from Alpine. Stay Humble my friends.
I believe Alpine did have a contract option on Piastri but they had to exercise it by the end of July which they obviously did not do , so as of Aug 1st Piastri was free to negotiate with other teams, it would not surprise me if Alonso and Piastri have had discussions between themselves to orchestrate this with the timing of Alonso leaving Alpine after the end of July cut off date for Piastri which gave him an exit out of Alpine because if he announced it 2 days earlier Piastri would have had to stay if they exercised their option on him, well played gentlemen
Yep, and If you think that Alonso and Webber are good friends it makes even more sense
Aston martin😅😅😅 just great😂😇
Maybe they even convinced Vettel to retire just so they could prank Alpine harder
And Vettel
Then Webber has orchestrated the whole thing: with Vettel, Alonso and Piastri 😃
Oh man I'm so going to miss Alonso when he does leave F1, He is by far the most entertaining personality in F1, no one else seems to be at the centre of so many of the best bits in F1.
And plenty of the worst. Darn Plandrino.
@@LathropLdST I get sometimes he can definitely be annoying, but it’s better that he’s on the grid, I know we say older drivers should retire to open up some seats, but everyone in a paddock know’s Alonso can still hang with the best of them
He just likes to be centre of attention. He knew what he was doing by announcing on August 1st. It's the reason why Alonso only has two titles, he acts like a child, which gets him likes from the kids, but leaves him with only two titles due to burning bridges everywhere he goes.
I can definitely imagine Max becoming like at some point, after winning a few championships. Depends on whether his relationship with RB ever sours.
@@ab8jeh L take... How many titles you got?
My first thought when this happened was the Jenson Button situation back in the day. Complete madness!
Yh but he had done about 5 season by then Piastri’s never even done a race
@@MalcolmTann0 true, but still reminiscent
He ended up winning the wdc the next season too lol 😂
@@jamescampbell390 no he didn't, JBs contract dispute was in 05 between BAR and Williams.
Button had buyer's remorse. Not the same.
Regardless of what this means for Alpine and Piastri, I'm pretty sure that a public announcement like that being published without an unequivocal contract or at the very least the clear consent of the person in question, is quite a red flag that something shady or unethical is going down behind the curtains.
I just think they rushed to confirm a driver to save face and use the announcement to force piastri's hand if he had a choice to leave.
I think alpine unilaterally announced it because they had to meet some deadline.
It was already a shitshow before the Alpine tweet. This is just legal ground for the coming case
I hope Alpine will bleed McLaren to death €€€
@@nonbreapelido3549 they probably did it so the other teams dont try to negotiate anything with him and later sought it out with piastri himself but it bakcfired .
I dont think so, if he was contracted, than thats it. If someone on a basketball team had been riding the bench all year, and the team decided to put them in, they dont need to ask him first. He's already there, he works for them and thats what the contract says he has to do. Surely he didnt think they were spending all this time and money on him getting him ready for McLaren lol.
With Webber having strong Porsche and Red Bull ties, how far fetched is it for Piastri to be considered at Alpha Tauri.
That's a possiblity worth mentioning
Pretty sure redbull signed perez for 23 and beyond
@Harry Balls is tsnoda singed yet? Considering he's there to keep Honda happy.
For some reason I think that too. It's either Alpha or McLaren. I just don't think anybody would really cut ties with Alpine to move to Williams.
@@TeamSmashAU Honda and Red Bull just made a deal to last until like 2025.
If DR stays at McLaren, 2023 will likely be his last season in F1. Assuming the car design is the issue for him, McLaren won’t be changing it at the expense of Lando so DR currency will burn out. He would be lucky to get a drive at Williams if he stays. BUT if he leaves now he could potentially get a 2 year contract elsewhere, reset his career and stay longer in the sport. Dare I say it, if he went back to Alpine, he would likely be very competitive against Lando in 2023. If he stays the evidence says he will be even further behind Lando than he already is. Just a thought.
He is just catching up to Lando after the McLaren updates and would have finished 8th if it wasn't for poor strategy at McLaren
I don’t think he will get the alpine seat and if he does this is a mclaren masterclass they get a new driver to help them try and beat alpine in their midfield battle and alpine gain DR the driver who is underperforming and making mclaren losing the battle
@@s0lr542 that depends on whether you believe DR is washed or it's the car. Let's be honest McLaren's car is not good and then you have the steering preferences of Lando vs Daniel so it could very well be 100% a car problem and if that is the case Alpine would be getting a proven driver over an unknown. Piastri is good no question but F1 is a new arena for him. Also it looks like Piastri is as good as gone so the question becomes: can Alpine do better than RIC?
@@damp2269 tbh u say the mclaren isn’t good but on what basis r u saying this if ur comparing it to red bull and Ferrari then yes it’s not the best but it’s easily the 4 th or 5 th best car btw can u really blame mclaren for preferring lando when he wiped the floor with DR last year
I think Gasly is a good shout for alpine over Daniel
DR might end up at Williams to save his career but is it worth it for alpine to take a risk on him based on how he has proved that he struggles to adapt
Daniel is good but he is no longer a top driver and if he tries to get a big money contract he will likely be unsuccessful
Alpine: We cannot be that bad...can we?
A legend in his 40s still racing very competitively and a 21-year old promising, budding talent that has ripped the junior ranks BOTH spurning you in a 48 hour span
What this tells me is...something does not smell right at Alpine...Drivers approach at your own risk...
And then, who in his healthy mind would share team with that kamikaze egomaniac that Ocon is?? Alpine is done for years
they have ocon, their golden boy.
When he left , Prost blamed all the problems on Laurent Rossi, the team CEO.
This shines a terrible light on the Alpine team management, the Alpine powerunit may benefit from a split turbo, but no team benefits from a split personality leadership.
😂 Okay that was pretty good.
Not a great look for McLaren if what ricciardo Said earlier is true also ..
@@Cafferssss What did Daniel say about McC?
My suspicion is that Alpine let him shop around thinking they didn't need him. When they did need him they tried to keep him in the same deal. McLaren has plenty to offer given how much they save on Oscar vs Daniel. Given how long he's had to wait in the wings at Alpine it woulda been pretty offensive to be allowed to see what everyone else is offering only for your team to shaft you....Just my option but regardless, Alpine dropped all the bags this week.
I bet Ferrari is enjoying flying under the radar tho.
FERRARI? I think Alfa Romeo also.
Won't McLaren only save on Oscar if Daniel finds another drive? They will have to pay him to sit at home otherwise.
@@BOABModels Maybe both teams can do a swap, after all Daniel used to drive for Alpine (Renault).
@@stephenhumphrey7935 possibly. I imagine that Daniel is still cheaper than Fernando!
@@BOABModels He ought to be as his performances in the last couple of years have been pretty bad (apart from that win at Monza). Although it would be nice to see Riccardo released from his McLaren hell.
Did the head strategist of Ferrari become Alpines head of contracts?
Pretty sure they are cousins
Outsourcing.....
😂
Why would Piastri risk not having a seat at all though? Most junior drivers would jump at the chance of an F1 drive with any team.
Clearly he knows something that everybody doesn’t
he's probably already in the middle of negotiating a contract for another team & possibly already progressed enough to have signed something , wouldn't have outright stated he's not driving for Alpine otherwise
Why is it that when there's driver contract drama, it's always McLaren and Fernando Alonso that are involved?
@Harry Balls greatest in creating messed-up contract situations
This was truly bizarre and embarrassing. Team announces driver and the driver says that he is not driving for them.
And to think, it all started with Vettel creating a social media account lol.
I knew signing Ocon for so long was going to screw over Alpine. Between Ocon and Alonso, I’d choose Alonso any day of the week and replace Ocon with Piastri
Yeah never got that. He always costs race time and position by fighting teammates too aggressively. Yet guve him a 3yr deal cause he got lucky winning a race? I was never an ocon fan he shows glimpses of speed but never of thought. Like taking out max by trying to unlap himself just dumb. Fighting alonso in Saudi slowing himself down so much bottas went rught by. Also the team not stepping in 4ever is another reason Alonsos leaving.
@@captaintoyota3171 Considering he only got the win because Alonso fought off and defended from Hamilton for 3 laps, ensuring Ocon got the win, and you can see why Alonso would be miffed the team supported Ocon in aggressively defending him in the same GP a year later!
@@mikespearwood3914 10 laps
Ocon is French. Apparently that's enough for Alpine.
@@jalsol Like the english makes at McLaren, Williams etc. Not different.
More accurate resources than The Race (Oscar Piastri's management) claim that Alpine had an option on Piastri but it expired on the 1st August 2022. If that's true, it makes it look like Alpine has gone into panic mode because of Alonso's surprise announcement and they've overlooked the fact that their option on Piastri had expired.
Perhaps.
It's sources, not resources, and since Piastri's management would be biased and have an agenda, I'm not sure that's fair to assume they are putting forth a more accurate portrayal of the situation than the journalists at The Race.
Ferrari: We fucked up. 🤌🏼
Alpine: Hold my Pain Au Chocolatè
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ABOUT TIME
I hope Piastri has a guaranteed seat next year…. Otherwise this would be a very dumb move
Im pretty sure he has a contract already signed. He probably talked with teams before the 31st of July so if that arrives he for sure has a seat next year.
If that is the case he can’t drive for Alpine next year
I'm pretty sure that McLaren and his lawyer(s) have gone through his contract thoroughly to make sure it is all legal.
@@PbPomper it is. Sources say that the fia approved the mclaren contract
i started following f1 only because of daniel. i saw him make a mistake by leaving red bull and then again with renault. But now i think he should leave mclaren if he can score a seat with a team whose car suits him. its been brutal to watch him on race weeks
Leaving RB wasn't a mistake, leaving Renault/Alpine was the mistake: a team 100% behind him as the #1 driver!
@@mikespearwood3914 well he had got accustomed to the renault.
@@mikespearwood3914 yep. Alpine made equally bad driver rotations like Aston Martin.
@@mikespearwood3914He was dominant at Renault, but like many, didn’t see the team going anywhere. And McLaren was better, but its chassis and brakes were all the opposite of what DR liked and had driven his whole career. People must have the memory of flies because quickly into his second season at McLaren people were saying his downturn began at Renault where he dominated both teammates.
DR crushed Vettel, Hulkenberg and Ocon.
Only driver to beat Max as teammates. The numbers:
Renault
DR vs Ocon
* Quali: Ric 17-2
* Finished Ahead: Ric 9-3
* Tripled EO’s Points (Ric 597 vs 207)
DR vs Hulkenberg
* Quali: Ric 14-7
* Finished Ahead: Ric 12-2
* Laps ahead: Ric 686 vs 392
RBR
DR vs Max (2016 + 2017 + 2018)
* Quali: 21-22
* Points: 457-377
* Wins: 3-3
* Podiums: 18-11
Vettel vs Ricciardo
* Wins: DR 3 SV 0
* Points DR 238 SV 167
* Podiums: RIC 9 VET 4
* Races: RIC 13-6 or 11-2 when both finished
* Also had a 2nd DQ’ed for a violation having nothing to do w/performance
DR
-beat Max in points -podiums -poles
-tied 3-3 in wins, but DR should’ve won 4-2 (Monaco): huge lead, but RBR forgot his tires
(Spain) Lead first 1/2, then they split strategies, giving MV the strat DR wanted & MV’s first win.
-almost tied Max in quali (20-21)
Honestly I think Danny going to alpine and piastri to mclaren is a good transfer
It would suck to see Danny get pushed out if a seat entirely against what he stated about his contract in 23
Who knows Mabye piastri is not even going for either team and has sights on alpha tauri or something which would also be a tasty twist
Yeah, seems like a good transfer to me too… Considering Alpine’s car is better.
2 years at AT with a view to Red Bull seat in 25? Sounds like a good plan to me.
i dont know if ricciardo will go to Alpine. If he leaves Mclaren it probably means his plan is to retire. But he could change his mind now that he could drive for Alpine
@@GS-vb3zn Alpines car is not better. They are only ahead because Danny is too slow. The gap between Lando and Danny is as big as ocon has points in total.
@@Infiltator2 Says you. I say otherwise.
I'd blame Alpine group CEO for this mess.
For a very long time, there have been very public reports of his ego and will souring relations with key personnel within Alpine- the greatest of them being Alain Prost.
The fact that he would just announce the driver without telling him is a power move
Great point. I only thought about Alonso and Piastri wanting out but add to the list Prost and Danny Ric.
I would actually assume the Renault army of lawyers understand the contract better than Mark Webber of all people...
It would be very sad if Piastri burnt his bridges by trusting legal advice from Webber.
You don't think Piastri has his own lawyers and any other team s lawyers interested in signing him haven't gone through the contract?
@@Midori_Ringo That would be the responsibility of the manager to arrange, i.e Webber. Do you think junior drivers got their own lawyers on call and drafts their own contracts? That's quite literally why they have managers.
@@RichardTheRoe Managers still consult lawyers though... Just like lawyers consult fellow lawyers. Literally no one has a complete knowledge of the law and all its ifs and buts. Same goes for the Alpine advisors.
A manager is only a "representative". It's literally like you parents "representing" your choices, but with the emotional bias missing and more knowledge of how the environment works (in this case Webber's experience with F1). The manager is mainly your representative because he/she has the connections in place that you yourself don't have (you being Piastri).
@@RichardTheRoe You know that's what I meant right? End of the the day they are employed and paid for by Piastri.
@@Midori_Ringo No one denied that Webber works for Piastri, what on earth are you on about? The question is if he did a proper job. Please don't argue nonsense.
In Australia there's basically a law that states any contract with a French company can be exited at any time for any reason.
From what I recall Piastri has been left sitting unused for far too long after being snapped up by F1, I'm sure he didn't sign up just to sit in the pits and watch others race on the TV. So good luck to him is what I say.
He’s only 21 god sake. He’s acting like the current champion lol. Neither Ham or MSC where in f1 at his age so u have to be patient. Comes across arrogant
@@ultrascreens5206 Russell was 21 when he joined F1, Lando 19, Max 17, Charles 20. What Ham and MSC did was decades ago, its not the same sport as today
It was such a shame that year sitting on the sidelines. I hope that didn't ruin his momentum and he is not rusty now.
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 Alpine has a good car and is a good team no need for the arrogance from a reserve driver. Being a success in the juniors means nothing
@@ultrascreens5206 good car, far from a good team, chaos management, employees leaving, no sense of planning, tonnes of on track mistakes. They should've been clear ahead of Mclaren, considering they have better facilities and only one driver to beat but look where they are.
On marketing, their genius idea was to get Ocon instead of Pierre who's doing same mistakes as racing point days.
Good for junior champs to know their worth. How many Ocons & strolls can they run when top drivers are getting old and leaving. Better than licking ass of a discount Ferrari. "Junior success means nothing" LMAO where do you think top drivers come from?
It says a lot that 2 drivers currently contracted to a team don't want to drive for it. They know something about the team that they don't like!
For having an average F-1 driver as Ocon... Alpine has been left without a legend like Alonso and without a diamond in the rough like Piastri... Just punishment for their perversity! The team doesn't recover from this... You don't treat a legend that way... Doesn't Alpine say that Ocon is better than Alonso?... well... let's prove it now!!!!
Alonso - Webber are friends and they have fluent link... sure the date chosen by Alonso is not by chance... in this way he frees Piastri who can go to McLaren...
Bye Bye Alpine😂😂😂
The whole thing is just a mess, and McLaren's Indycar situation has to be factored into this.
What's weird is that McLaren basically got most of Indycars top drivers signed up, and lined up to be Ricciardo's replacement. That's one of the reasons these drivers signed with McLaren in the first place. Now suddenly Piastri would surpass all of them. Now I'm waiting for Raikkonen and Mansell to come out of retirement, and make even a bigger mess out of this silly season. Some nice off track drama to keep us entertained during the summer break.
The indycar drivers didn’t sign as replacements for ricciardo.
@@n8th899 No not directly, but they view this is as at least as an opportunity to get into F1. Although Herta is more of prep for the possible Andretti F1 team entry, then as a future McLaren driver..
formula e mate
Odds on for Hakkinen's sabatical ending and him also having a contract for 2023.
I wonder if that somehow gives power to Mclaren, for other Indy teams to be in desperation to get an F1 veteran, now that they've lost some of the younger talents to Mclaren
I love how it went from there is not enough seats in f1 to there is too many seats in f1 with just one driver leaving and another moving teams. Imagine if Piastri didnt have anything lined up and lost out on a seat doing this. Yes alpine messed up but i dont think they are the main problem here. They are right in that they have invested a lot into Piastri and expected him to return favor. I dont understand why he doesnt want that seat though, there is probably something very bad happening at alpine internally. Because from an outsider point of view its definitely not a bad team for an unproven rookie.
I'd argue that winning two junior championships as a rookie in both makes him a little more than "unproven". And maybe it was rash from Alpine to not even tell him about the seat before announcing it publicly
@@juanin200 yeah definitely alpine messed up, i think they got pretty desperate but that doesnt excuse them. Maybe saying he is unproven was a bit too much, but he is still a rookie. Everything points to him being exceptionally fast, but its not certain.
I'd assume like you Alpine just hast some internal problems for this to unfold in such a messy public way. I also kinda understand why he might be miffed at Alpine. He has a stellar junior career only to spend 2 years on the bench all while they signed Ocon to a 4 year deal. Then has to also has to wait out Alonso. Tell him he's going to Williams on loan all so they can keep him under contract, and keep him playing the waiting game. I Don't fault him for shopping around, I fault Alpine for not locking him down prior to talks with Alonso.
My suspicion is that they weren't willing to up his pay or contract length even after letting him window shop at McLaren who could have offered both.
No one likes Ocon as their partner. He is trouble. Alonso jumping ship at the first opportunity also says a lot.
He returned favour by winning three formula championships in a row in his rookie year. They stuffed up by not getting him an F1 seat this year and making him sit on the sidelines. That’s ridiculous for a kid with his talent.
2:55 there’s just zero way you can say this with any real conviction. They don’t dictate his driving in perpetuity. The prototypical driver protection would be a deadline that a team just take action by. That is one very real scenario and we’ve seen overnight (literally) deals happen to not violate tampering clauses. The first Monday of August and the summer break sure seems on paper like an appropriate deadline . One is left to wonder: had they fulfilled the contractual specifics about whatever constitutes engaging Oscar appropriately to secure his services, why are we here? It’s going to come down to those specifics. What defines a reasonable attempt to secure him? How airtight is the language that governs his ability to communicate with other teams? Were they consumed with Alonso conversations & failed to come to terms, however the contract defines that, in time? I highly doubt Oscar wouldn’t have known this date as he likely was staring at his phone as it ticked down.
Facts, it wouldn't surprise me at all considering the awkward situation with Alonso. He is performing much better than they predicted and wants a multi-year deal, so cold feet. They couldn't be decisive when it mattered most, and now they are going to lose short and long term (major) talents.
I suspect Alpine had until 31 July to engage Piastri. So, either by design or by happenstance, Alonso's announcement on 1 August and Apline and/or Piastri dragging their feet has resulted in a massive F-up for Alpine.
I find it interesting to think that Alonso may have colluded with Piastri to engineer this situation.
do some news on it man, we need you..smh
@@gavinsullivan9560 Alonso moving to Aston Martin feels like an awful take.
Maybe for us as viewers, but I can see him accepting a multi year deal alpine was never going to give him. Plus I can only imagine the pay being much higher
What about the chances of Riccardo going back to alpine and piastri to mcclaren
I thought he actually did... It was on Google feed. But I could be wrong
Meh. Alpine would be better without Riccardo
Riccardo to Haas, Piastri to McLaren, Schumacher to Alpine
Why would Alpine take back an underperforming and expensive Ricciardo instead of a much cheaper and perhaps faster rookie such as Piastri or Drugovich?
@@toni8003 they aren't getting piastri but anyone is a better choice than ric
Thank you The Race for finally clarifying for people that Ricciardo's seat isn't free for the taking just yet. Too many news outlets have been throwing about that rumor this week.
Not free. It'll costs a chunk of change. If it's not already done, then Daniel's bargaining position just got a lot stronger too with Oscar's tweet.
Don’t forget the whole Alex Palou element to this, too. It played out almost exactly like this, a couple of weeks ago, and is now headed to court.
Why is no one thinking about Williams? They want him and he was set to go there for 2023 season. Maybe he has an offer on the table from Williams as an independent driver and not a loan from Alpine. If that's the case, maybe he's thinking of building his rookie career with Williams and then switch to Mercedes to replace Hamilton when he retires.
Yes, I've heard both Mercedes and RB are keen on him too, and are surprised how Alpine have left him hanging. So the Williams Merc link might be spot on as well.
However if you had the opportunity to driver with the best of the rest teams (Mclaren and Alpine) or a backmarker like Williams, which would you choose. To me Alpine is a better option as most cars on the grid handle similiarly to the Alpine as compared to the Mclaren which are much different according to Ricciardo and Sainz
@@danielbociarski6633 it depends how progressed negotiations were, it would be bad form to walk back on an agreement & create a negative reputation with that team, even if a better drive for next year was just offered by Alpine , burning bridges with williams in the middle of finalising a contract could also impact his ability to race Mercedes later on
At this point I’m convinced that Australia has it out for Alpine lmao
You mean the French
we also just destroyed them in a submarine deal worth billions 😂
5:26 Indeed, 1 year after him F2 title, his statut still is "has not even made a FP1 appearance"
I guess that's why he has a little grudge against Alpine
If History is anything to go by, that Alpine will be a way better car next year!.
Oscar and Mark might be trying to strike a multi year deal through the new regulations and a good deal because alpine failed to meet the contractual deadline for his reserve driver renewal.
"Not racing for alpine next year" was a strong choice of words. Sth along the lines of "I've yet to confirm" would be better in your predicted situation
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 maybe he has a pretty definite agreement already, making 'yet to confirm' an outright lie , & being clear pretty appropriate
Red Bull ditched Renault as PU supplier. Ricciardo joined the team, saw the team up close (how it works, what's in the pipeline, etc) and bailed. Alonso joined the team, saw the team up close and bailed. Piastri joined the team, saw the team up close and bailed. That tells us everything we need to know about Renault/Alpine. The current form (an inconsistent midfield team) is as good as they are going to get.
Renault won two championships with Alonso. After he left Renault, he never wins...
That’s how badly McLaren doesn’t want Daniel Ricciardo for 2023 😂
More like Norris doesn't want Danny in the team 🤣, Danny can win races under pressure unlike Lando
@@kannamustafa6043 You mean like Monza last year when Lando was not allowed to attack Ricciardo for the lead even though he was faster?
@@crazylarryxd9056 Thank your for speaking the truth, hearing these Denial Ricciardo fans talk really highlights how delusional they are.
Why would you not go to Alpine? Alpine is literally the king of mid field right now. Unless they gave Piastri a terrible contract, there is no reason for Piastri to not go to Alpine
By what i know they aren't spending too much in F1, maybe Mclaren in 2023 will surpass them
Seems to me like piastri is being far too aggressive in one of the hardest sports on the planet to be apart of, as the video mentioned if he doesn’t play his cards absolutely perfectly he could end up with no seat at all in F1 for the foreseeable future or even in F1 at all
I think this game is already in motion and pieces have been moving for a long time. This doesn’t read as impulsive to me.
These guys are paid millions. No doubt the tweets are just some newfangled negotiation tactic us mere mortals are ignorant to.
@@BobAg_ He better deliver after all this drama. There have been super talents before as well who have crumbled in F1
Its what we are not seeing/haven't heard yet that makes it seem "too aggressive", this will all come out in the wash eventually and I'm sure we will find out about some very shrewd, clever negotiating that has been going on for months.
@@BobAg_ is he? Piastri may have done well in the junior championships, but he hasn't turned a lap in F1 yet.
Tin foil hat moment:
I think Brown’s public statements about Ricciardo were meant to let Ricciardo know he’s no longer wanted at Mclaren and the confidence in him is no longer there. This plays into Mclaren to press him to exit out of his contract. I haven’t seen a team principal at least in my times come out in public and say such things about his driver. Piastri is about to see if his gamble is going to play out.
Ricciardo definitely hasn't made progress in coming to grips with a McLaren car. After getting significantly outpointed by Norris in 2021, this year he is 3 points behind Magnussen and seems to be stuck on finishing 12th or worse. At some point, McLaren has to cut bait with him and move on.
Do we know if there's any performance clauses in his contract that would allow them to release him?
I also thought something like that. it wouldn't surprise me
@@Dashriprock4 The only exit clause is written in Ricciardo's favour. The only way for Mclaren to get rid of him is to pay him out which would cost them about 25 million+. Not out of the question but expensive.
@@I.am.Sarah.
What is the difference in payment between 4th and 5th in the Constructor's Championship? If it boost McLaren up a spot, it might be worth it.
This might be Fernando's biggest moment in F1. Genius.
Fernando + Webber
Talk about burning bridges! I can see Alpine going with an all-French lineup of Ocon and Pourchaire
Hadn't thought about Pourchaire, that would be très baguette. 👍
Pourchaire is linked with Ferrari...
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@@flom1951 SAUBER
Unless McLaren intend to honor Riccardo's remaining year on his contract but Piastri comes in as reserve driver and replaces him in 24? While he may prefer to be drivign for McLaren in 2023, a further one year wait may be preferable to a multi-year commitment to Alpine. And of course there is always the possibility that Riccardo decides to leave a year early once he knows he's not part of their long term future
Also a possibility that Mclaren were able to arrange a definite Williams drive for Piastri for 23 and then they have him for 24+ with no need to pay out Ricciardo.
@@I.am.Sarah. Thats an interesting thought
Alpine in probably the 4th best team atm and they have their own engine as well I don't know why anyone would want to go to McLaren or Aston instead of alpine. Unless of course he is eyeing for a mercedes seat in the long run
Maybe bad management? At least Otmar is very disliked
The reality with the current regulations is that Mercedes provides a solid power unit, also McLaren and Aston Martin can pump enough money to provide their very own car concepts. For the long run I have at least more trust in McLaren crafting a decent car than Alpine.
Lets not forget that Renault also tends to deal with PU issues, so even a decent chassis could affect the reliability.
Historically Renault is also one of the factory teams that tends to invest less money.
I'd love to see ricciardo go back to alpine to a car that works well for him.
Ricciardo in Formula One is OVER
I doubt alpine wants him back.
@@vasjalesjak3846 Apparently Otmar says they'd be happy to have him back.
Lots of questions to ponder over the summer:
? Why are drivers rejecting Alpine (which is effectively a well funded works F1 team)
? Why is everyone falling over themselves to join McLaren ( don't forget the Indycar guys - Herta, Rosenqvist, Palou, O'Ward are all sniffing round)
? Why did Alpine make this hasty statement
? Why did Piastri feel the need to embarrass them in public (it is never good to embarrass a potential employer - just ask Fernando Alonso)
? What on Earth does Alonso think he will get from 2 (or 3) seasons at Aston Martin
? What does Aston Martin think they will get from hiring a 41 year old driver rather than one half his age
? Why does anyone feel the need to make a contract longer than 1 season. If the team and driver is successful they will want to stay together; if they are not at least one will want to end the relationship. A contract just gets in the way of this natural course of events.
Don't forget why are experienced drivers (Alonso & Riccardo) basically running away from alpine ?
Sainz once said in the Beyond the Grid podcast that a multiyear contract truly helps a driver in a mental way, he says it truly helped him perform at McLaren in 2019.
That might not be the only reason but pretty sure daddy Stroll handed a big bag of cash to Alonso. To answer one question.
If Danny is able to negotiate with Alpine and get back into a car he had had success with, this could be the absolute best thing for his career right now. Daniel and Piastri swap seats and everybody is happy, Alpine save face and potentially help revive Daniels career getting a top tier driver as a result and McLaren get their driver of the future. Would love to see this as i’m sure all us Danny Ric fans would.
was going to 'like' until i read "top tier driver"... He clearly WAS that
This isn't the same racecar that Ricciardo drove. He'd have to relearn while ocon does not and he already looks poorly because Norris demolishes him week after week.
@@theonlylolking everyone had to "relearn"
As we currently have seen, McLaren is basically planning to be running 5 cars in F1, 7 in IndyCar, and maybe 3 in Formula-E.
The real issue stems back to Alpine offering Ocon a long contract out of the blue. At the point last year he wasn’t performing exceptionally well then out of the blue he gets that contract. He’s not a star driver in high demand so why did alpine lock him in for so long?
100 % I was just saying this to my wife, you only offer second rate drivers 1-2 years max contracts. This is all a result of poor management from alpine.
Bravo Fernando for tuning down Alpines new contract, well see how they do next year
I'd have done the same, tbh. I would not be interested in a one-year contract with an option for an extra year, either.
@@halofreak1990 ocon fighting him more than any other driver i bet that pisses him off too
Let's see how good Aston Martin does next year. Lance and Alonso😬
@@halofreak1990 yeah not even his option but the teams ! He would have to sit up and beg after next year......
@@yvonnepingleton5063 Well, theyre bringing very competitive people to the team, they also got rid of Otmar last year,maybe is time for Fernando to have some luck
Things have been way too civilised this season, we needed some drama. Also fitting that Alpine & McLaren are in an exclusively 2 way fight for P4 in the constructors.
They WERE fighting for P4 in the CC, if Daniel has to ride out the season in the dodgy McLaren, knowing that they shafted him, I think Alpine is a good bet for the position, lol.
An alternative theory...bear with me here.....its not DR who might leave McLaren - its LN. Why? Perhaps Lewis Hamilton is stepping down from racing, Mercedes want LN and that provides an empty seat at McLaren of Piastri. It could happen - but doesn't answer who will drive at Alpine in the 2nd car.....
Hamilton is not retiring until he gets that 8th title. Mark my words. And it might actually happen next year.
Mclaren could pay out Danny's contract. Expensive, not impossible.
Piastri would be worse than Danny and surely Lando doesn't want another hot prospect next to him
@@kannamustafa6043 calls him worse but then calls him hot prospect? Lol what
If the actions of Piastri bring about a fast forward to the end of Ricciardo's career, then Oscar is not going to have a lot of fans in Australia.
How bad do things have to be in FIA and Alpine management that rookie stars are turning down F1 seats?!
Alpine can always get mahaveer raghunathan. He's never turned down a drive!
Vettel & Alonzo created a storm of biblical proportions.
Tbf alpine created this mess
McLaren must be delighted about all this coming out
i think people are forgetting that alfa romeo doesn't have zhou confirmed for 2023. imagine the plot twist of piastri going there because mclaren talks break down and zhou goes to alpine
Another factor is Daniel’s love for the summer break and disconnecting from the F1 world… I can easily imagine him ignoring Zak’s calls right now
plot twist: Piastri to Alpha Tauri/Red Bull , just wait and see
Love Alonso but he must need the cash as AM can’t even get out of Q1! And now possibly Piastri is acting the fool, I’d gladly take a seat at Alpine, esp if never turned a wheel in F1 and it’s not like there are better options for next year
Alonso knows something that all we don't about AM and Alpine
Alonso brings drama and poor team choices.
@@kannamustafa6043 I hope so - cause what we’ve seen from the outside is that AM is a troubled team with Lawrence Stroll in charge
0:26 y'all know that dap went TERRIBLE
Oscar either has a definite deal, perhaps McLaren, which Ricciardo doesn't know about, and will be forced to accept a payout, or Oscar is extremely naive in binning off Alpine. Why would he say that he categorically won';t be driving for them next year otherwise?
He could have left the Alpine door open with a more tame comment, just saying nothing was "set in stone" yet, perhaps.
...whatever has happened between Alpine and their drivers, 2 out of 3, along with 2 senior advisors and a manager, have walked out in the past 12 months. Even a budding talent does not want to drive for them... That is terrible PR and indicates an alarming level of chaos in the team.
There’s also an empty Williams seat and potentially an AT one I believe.
@@Aefweard vastly inferior to Alpine
@@adampetten5349 yes, but Williams opens the door to merc, and AT to RB, so not as good short term while he settles into f1, but a lot more interesting opportunities in the mid term for him.
I would say either Gasly might also take part in this mess too. It is possible RedBull managed to get Piastri at Alpha Tauri, Then Gasly moves to McLaren, and Ricciardo goes to Alpine.
only thing is Gasly is locked in at AT for one more year
Gasly possibly will stay, and Ricciardo will go to Alpine as Piastri will move to McLaren. If not, the other possibility would be that Alpine wanted to have two French drivers which left Ricciardo without a seat.
Piastri could try to solve the issue in private. He and Weber are so confident that they became persona non grata with the Renault Group. Alpine should avoid having Piastri in their team, because that would create a even worse image. It was public humiliation.
Piastri/Weber also complicated the situation for McLaren. It is like announcing that McLaren is going to pay the contract penalty and fire Ricciardo.
Alonso must really hate Renault by the way. Now there are two available spots: (1) Williams and (2) Alpine.
Alpine is the one not making it private in the first place.
@@Kaimax61 When Alonso was announced in Aston Martin, Alpine wanted to make it appear that the team preferred Piastri over Alonso. In fact, they wanted to avoid humiliation. However, the result was even worse. They got publicly kicked by two pilots in a row.
Renault Group is very influential in access categories. Weber is now a manager for young talents. They can make Weber’s life difficult in the future.
And Weber is a very close friend of Alonso’s. So I think it was orchestrated.
Alpine is surely one of the f1 team of all time
Your comment is missing at least one word
Alpine is definitely one of the F1 team of all time
Yep, It's definitely an F1 team
It's ALPININ' Time!
What if we’re all considering this incorrectly? What if all of Piastri’s brazenness is because he has an agreement to go to Alfa Tauri with an eye to replace Perez at the end of his new contract?
could it not also be that piastri signed a contract with williams and so was contractually obliged to refute alpine's claim he was their second driver? piastri wouldn't have known about alonso leaving alpine until very recently so he might have thought williams was his chance to get on the grid
People don't seem to realize how good Oscar is.
This McLaren V Alpine rivalry just got a whole lot spicier.
What if we all wrong with piastri going to Mclaren but instead signed for alpha tauri with promises to replace perez in a couple years
That's my bet as well
Ricciardo, Piastri, and Webber are all fellow Australians. I very much doubt that they would do a deal behind Ricciardo's back, that's not Webber's style. So, if something has been lined up at McLaren, it seems more likely that Ricciardo is in agreement with it.
Certainly seems surprising for Piastri to make such a definitive statement. Time will tell, I guess.
Ricciardo, Alonso, Piastri; everyone just does a wham, bam thank you ma'am with Alpine.
What your comment mean? Specifically "wham" "bam" and "maam"?
I have an odd feeling he’ll go to alpha tauri and replace yuki but then again since Honda is with rb til 25 idk
I still get the feeling Alpha Tauri is on the table for Piastri
Could become Audi if red bull becomes Porsche 🤷
Aren't all the seats at AT signed for?
@@lenser.competition nothing confirmed for Tsunoda yet AFAIK, rumor that Honda wants him to stay but I don't know how much leverage Honda will actually have
@@lenser.competition Tsunoda isn't, he's 16th in the standings and still behind his teammate even though he has improved from last year.
F1 is cut throat and there is always someone banging on the door wanting a drive.
I don't see why it has to be McLaren that is involved. From Piastri's perspective, Alonso was almost a dead set for the Alpine seat and thus he could have been talking to any team in order to get a seat on the grid next year. He could well have signed with Williams. I don't see why it has to be a better team in order for Piastri's reaction to make sense - because if he is contractually obligated to a team like Williams, he would say that he would not be driving for Alpine next year.
All this drama before he's even started. He has a lot to live up to. More than usual now. And dissing the 4th fastest team is risky/cocky. Time will tell
I think we have paraphrased what Piastri said on his tweet. He said that there haven't been any contract deals with Alpine for 2023 and that he will not be driving for them AS IT STANDS.
This means that if Alpine were to come to an agreement with Piastri tomorrow, and sign a contract, he will be driving for them.
Alpine rushed to announce Oscar without any agreement being made, and then he just tries to tone things down by saying that they haven't signed anything (yet)
The last line of the tweet is "I will not be driving for Alpine next year", nothing about as it stands. He has made his position very clear
@@xSmithyx That's the part that can get misinterpreted. It's like saying "not working for you, we haven't signed anything, nothing is official".
I am still not going to rule out the chance that they are having talks behind the scenes.
@@NauarchosHere If that was the case he would have just left it at "I have not signed a contract with Alpine for 2023"
I think that is a tweet that Oscar is going to regret his whole life if he wanted to get into F1.
Finally someone mentions it. What is up with the “I will not be…” I would have went with “the details have not be solidified yet” or something like that. This guy doesn’t have the most sway. Pretty bold and risky. He might have no drive now if mclaren falls through.
I think something really important was missed in this video - Alpine had a deadline by 31 July to guarantee a race seat for Piastri either as Alonso's replacement, or "on loan" elsewhere. Aston Martin's out of nowhere announcement of Alonso joining them was on 1 August - the day after the supposed Piastri deadline passed. And since Alpine never confirmed anything about Piastri's future, his management team used this silence as a legal ground that makes Piastri (in US sports league term) unrestricted free agent, meaning he can go whereever he wants as long as there's a seat available. The fault here falls solely on Alpine for their failure to figure out Alonso's true intentions and keeping Piastri out in the blue. If they lose him, Alpine can only blame themselves.
So what's next? If Ricciardo is a free agent, then he's perhaps Alpine's prefered option. But there's also Pierre Gasly - though he signed a contract with AlphaTauri for 2023 if a seat opens at Alpine he could very well try to break it (and as we've established, contracts mean zilch). If Gasly somehow breaks himself off from Red Bull's shackles (as he won't be getting the coveted A-Team seat as Perez is signed til 2024) this will pose an issue for AlphaTauri as Yuki Tsunoda is not certain that he'll stay given Helmut Marko's recent comments on him. And with Alex Albon locked up at Williams long-term, Red Bull will need at worse 2 new drivers for their Faenza outfit. Jehan Daruvala and Liam Lawson will most likely have the points required for Super Licence, but they don't impress that much to warrant a F1 seat. Jüri Vips does have a SL, but he's for all intents and purposes out of the academy for using a racial slur in a livestream. Dennis Hauger - the 2021 F3 champion, is also not good enough. And then, there's Ayumu Iwasa, who impresses well, but don't think Marko will want another Tsunoda-like situation. But TBH I don't think Alpine will want to go from one court case fighting to keep a driver, to another one trying to poach a driver from a team with links to a bitter rival considering the bad blood between Red Bull and Renault. Unless...Red Bull agrees to let Gasly go or there's a clause that allows Gasly to go elsewhere if a seat opens up
Something else that I do not see being mentioned is the possiblity of Piastri joining the Red Bull Academy Programme and signing up to AT for a few years in place of the - largely unimpressive - Tsunoda. If you think about it, if somehow Red Bull loses Verstappen in 3-4 years, or if Perez does not extend from 2024, Red Bull does not have a top driver ready to go in their place. Of course they can poach someone else (Lando, Leclerc, Sainz etc.) or line up Gasly (again, there is history there...), but not much else. If I was Piastri, I would take two-three years in AT and a shot at Red Bull instead of putting my faith in Alpine. But that's just my two cents...
@@dsz4445 An interesting thought - Piastri can be an insurance policy should Max decides to take his talents elsewhere ala Hamilton to Mercedes a decade ago. However, given the bad blood between Red Bull and Renault in the turbo-hybrid era (but in reality cracks were beginning to show once Red Bull started winning), I think Alpine will fight to the bitter end to keep Piastri away from their sworn enemies. And Webber was Red Bull driver, meaning there's an established connection (though their relationship ended on not so good terms). But still - a very interesting thought
The French refuse to be out done by The Italians when it comes to chaotically illogical decision making!! 🇫🇷
What if Piastri/Webber has done a deal to replace Tsunoda at Alpha Tauri for 2023 with a view to step up to Red Bull in a couple of years?
Jaw-dropping stuff... I just hope Piastri's management hasn't tanked his career
I think there is a lot going on behind the scenes at Alpine that we don't know of. The fact that 2 drivers are so eager to get away from them cannot just come from nothing.
As far as we know, Alpine lost their contract the day before Alonso resigned. Alonso resigned only after Piastri was no longer locked in. Alonso was in on this with Webber (Piastri's manager) and made sure that he quit after Alpine couldn't keep Piastri. Alpine had a guarantee on Piastri until August 1st, the day Alonso quit. I can't imagine Webber didn't know Piastri's contract, and Alpine wouldn't make the announcement without Piastri's confirmation unless they thought they needed to pressure Piastri into accepting. The fact is, Alpine making that announcement might have been enough for Oscar to say he didn't want to race for Alpine. Ocon is a shitty teammate, and Alpine has lost so many top drivers lately that there's clearly an issue with their culture. Why else would Alonso resign from a top 4 team to go to a team that might not even break into the top 5 before he retires? Alpine has serious problems.
Everyone thinks Daniel is leaving McLaren, but what if it's Norris? What if one of the top teams wants Norris and has a way to make space? Everyone might be looking at the wrong McLaren seat. Norris might have an option to leave, or a richer team might just pay McLaren out for his contract to secure him. Mercedes? Redbull seems set. Ferrari? Maybe Sainz isn't going good enough to keep his contract. Wouldn't be the first time a top team driver gets dropped at the 11th hour.
My personal theory is that Stroll is finally losing his seat because his dad wants to actually start winning. And Piastri is going with Alonso (Alonso and Webber are good friends and have been for years) to Aston Martin. Aston Martin might not only be getting the Veteran, but the up and comer in one deal. Suddenly, Alonso might not be leaving Alpine when they're looking stronger as a gamble for a longer contract, but because he sees a chance to build the next F1 World Champion in Piastri. Maybe his legacy isn't getting a third title years later, but seeing another driver exceed his own achievements.
It might be a bit embaresing for Alpine but it is not a big deal for them. I don't think they will struggle to find a good driver willing to drive their car.
Piastri at the other end is walking on very thin ice. Unless he really has a signed contract with McLaren. But if it is Williams he has signed for or he looses out on a seat all together this might damage his career considerably compared to driving for Alpine next year.
I disagree. IF it is true that Alpine let the July 31st deadline to keep Piastri pass, Oscar is under no obligation to stay. At least from outside, to me it seems like Alpine didn't value enough both Alonso or Piastri to give them multi-year contracts. As the old saying goes: "If you pay peanuts, all you get is monkeys". When McLaren got Ricciardo, they offered him a 3yr contract. Offering Fernando only a 1yr deal is a joke.
@paper plane Dani Ric is washed af.
Renault are nuts they gifted Ocon a golden contract! Based on what? His blistering personality!
Albon just nailed this, so simple but so genius at the some time 🤣
Watching this after Oscar's first win in Hungary, crazy to think he was on the line to drive for Alpine..
So Mclaren has 10 drivers to what 6-7 seats in three series?
Indy 3x
F1 2x
E-formula x2
This is crazy. It's kind of a sideways move to McLaren atm, so it's mad to leave a guaranteed race seat at Renault. Unless he has a guaranteed seat that he prefers. Either Renault seems doomed to drop down the grid from the inside or no one wants to be Ocon's teammate? I can't wait to see how this shuffles out, fascinating.
Piastri wasn't secured an F1 seat by Alpine for 2023 by 31st July. Piastri has thus acquired free agency status to negotiate with whomever he wants. Alpine were dumb to secure the mediocre Ocon, and leave both Alonso & Piastri hanging like this. Now it's backfired spectacularly on them!