A lot of rambling in this one. Your other videos are usually much more concise. To sum it up, level druid till you get panther. Abuse invisible ability by manually toggling off concentration to attack, hide and run away. Pick up assassin rogue and old one warlock. Have fun stalking.
For surprising the enemies you need to NOT kill the initial target. If they survive the attack from stealth everyone will be surprised, if it dies, the remaining enemies will have their turn as normal.
PSA: If you are going to play Assassin subclass in any form, USE SHOVEL! Shovel is much more reliable at getting surprise, especially when attacking guards, because you don't get the 'you attacked a guard, watcha gonna do?' dialogue. Now when Shovel initiates and surprises enemies, you can still be out of combat (make sure you are stealth) and even your first attack(s) against a target will be guaranteed crits, and then obviously you get your actions back. You can feed Shovel elixir of vigilance so she always goes first, and (almost) never gets killed. Using Shovel this way, L4 Assassin rogue, L1 warlock was honestly the smoothest act 1 of any playthrough I have done, and wasn't even Durge...
Good advice. I really hate that I can initiate combat with a gobli at the goblin camp, and select the "attack" option after the cut scene, and despite scoring a direct hit on the goblin, it magically has full health and the character I initiated combat with gets no actions becuase they used it on the surprise attack!
I’m doing an all-tavern brawler party run and am playing as a moon druid, never occurred to me to dip 3 levels into assassin for the crits, but considering my party’s only lvl 6 I’ll definitely do it now.
The STR potion from Moonrise and Mirror of Loss +2 apply in Wild Shape. Also, worth noting the Moon armor for druid also gives temp HP and won't do it over Agathys.
The third attack at 11:10 is because when you start combat you'll get your extra attack from that action, plus the full action you get from being Assassin. When you play a dual wielding Gloomstalker/Assassin, that means you'll have 5 attacks on the first turn (plus the one you started the fight with) - the first extra attack, your normal two, offhand, and gloomstalker attack. All as crits. Then you use the shortsword you can buy from Dammon at Last Light Inn that does an extra 10 Necrotic damage on every crit. That's a free 50 damage on the first turn against surprised targets.
this is out of context. The audience reflects the channel. Spud loves to make statement that don't resembles theme of his video. Also, making unreliable builds like "healing barbarian(?)". I can't believe people watch this sht
The invisibility for the panther is amazing. Didn’t realise it had a displacer beast trait. Like when you get hand gear and gear too that adds wisdom modifier to unarmed strikes you do so much damage with wild shape. Jaheira in my play has got tavern brawler and gear that enhances unarmed strikes- she does so much damage and is like crippling Steelwatchers
@@TheSpudKing Yeah, it could be she just clattering them, but I don't know, it feels like her unarmed strikes have been buffed. So she has boots on that add wisdom modifier to unarmed strikes and I put some gloves on that add force damage. Not sure if the gauntlets are, but feels like she is doing more with wisdom modifier gear. I am playing on tactician and trying her with mage slayer feat but havnt had a fight yet to try it, but she has been killing enemies so quickly and so many wild strikes because she level 12 druid of land. Steel watchers are absolutely getting munched by her and crippled and knocked prone its wild.
6 in open hand monk to get extra attack and enhanced strikes. 4 in thief rogue to get extra bonus action and feat. 2 in spore druid to get extra on hit necrotic dmg. With monk wholeness and bonus action helmet (not even mentioning haste) you can put out over 250 dmg in one turn easily
I was thinking of experimenting with Druid build as well. I have found my Jahbear being an absolute monster and was going to do some tests with Mage Slayer as well as tavern brawler. The assassin initiative was something I was thinking about especially with a magic caster too because it easy to attack others that won’t taken a turn yet.
Next thing you know you're gonna make like a monk knight build that is also good at stealth and can one-shot everything with how random and yet broken your builds are
How do I maximize the power of this build? * Assassin lv3 / Moon Druid lv ? / ? * Which class increases damage or other stats? * What equipment can I use in panther form that generates some positive result? * What buffs or potions? * Does the panther not use its bonus action for anything?
Thank you Spud for the tip on guaranteed Surprise! I always thought the only way to do it was by striking from invisibility, but turn-based + hide is even easier
Can u tell me how do u upgrade, everything in act 1 ? each mod u use or cheat engine, if u do so ofc, im trying to find something to be able to try builds before replay the game
Spud, I love your videos what the other commentator took as a scatterbrained presentation I took as a display of your enthusiasm and excitement for the build and that’s one of the reasons I love watching your videos. Keep up the good work. I’m actually gonna give this a try question if you turn invisible as a Dalger, do you keep it when you shift to beast form?
Thanks Spud, great stuff. I stuck Halsin as moon druid and kept him in saber tooth, I was really impressed with his output. He also keeps quiet which is nice haha. All the best!
So how does this work out with potions? Like does a Hill Giant STR adds up in the animal form which will stack with Tavern Brawler? What about Bloodlust potion?
Bro i've been asking all over youtube and no one doing it so i come to you .... Can you do a video on a druid Spider form focused build ? Thanks in advance man
It Build is Viable now? For solo mode Honnor? or only group? Has anyone tested it? Is this really a viable build for solo play? If I understand correctly, instead of hitting 3x it will hit 2x, and in places where there is no way to leave the battle invisible?
i tried minmaxxing vicious mockery by stacking storm scion hat, spiteful thunder, stormy clamor, hamarhraft, potent robe and a tempest cleric/bard/enchantment wizard multiclass 1/1/10... even with split enchantment its worse that sacred flame lol.
I love your builds man. I’ve been loving doing themed builds and your channel was invaluable to do so. I think this would be so good in my stealth team. ❤
This build feels like a bit of a reach. I'm very skeptical that it can keep up in a3 with a 6/3/x druid/rogue/x split unless those last three levels unless the x/x synergized strongly. I dont see warlock as measuring up.
Feels like you need resilient dex. What about uncanny dodge? Fighter surge works if triggered pre wild shape. Class based crit chance carry over? Maybe champion? Does phalar aluve persist if triggered pre wildshape?
Just to be clear spud, you've done some amazing builds with comprehensive breakdowns. Respect. But this video and some others lately feel a bit half-baked.
Did a little research. War cleric is a decent 2 level multiclass here. It's extra attack charge works in wildshape. And you could conditionally pre cast bless boosted by staff and use an invisible potion instead to initiate fights. Also, sanctuary is always nice to have. Edit: then round out rogue to 4 for the 2 feats.
i have no idea how you're getting 4 attacks. i specked exactly as your build suggested...and when i attack from invisible state, sometimes my action isn't consumed, sometimes it is. so i can get an extra attack after the first, but i won't be able to go invisible afterwards. and i definitely don't get 4 attacks.
@@TheSpudKing i suppose this works only on enemies that are hostile off-the-bat. when dudes are just neutral, then attacking them triggers a dialog rather than combat, and then you don't get the action refreshing from assassin. or at least not consistently. i also noticed this build fails when it comes to enemies that heal back to full outside of combat like various elementals.
For your racial selection, I would personally recommend Lightfoot Halfling, Deep Gnome, or Half Orc. The first two both get advantage on Stealth checks, while the Halfling also gets to reroll natural 1's and the Gnome gets advantage on Int / Wis / Cha saves. As for the Half Orc, they get a bonus damage die when they roll a critical hit, and they get to survive a killing blow with 1 HP once per long rest.
There's nothing broken about this build. It's several low damage attacks, which probably why you demonstrate everything against targets you meet when you are level 3 and below.
I mean, its nice that its possible to do this, but would anyone ever actually play like this? Do one attack and run away in stealth? With one char. Its beyond tedious, especially in a game that's already 100h long in a full party. Also "totally broken" doesnt ring so great when you're showing a lvl 6-9 build on lvl 1 enemies..
Ive ran this before. Ive done every wildshape build you have or have not heard of, as wildshape builds are my jam. Its disheartening how little actually works alongside wildshapes when it comes to feats and multiclassing and even ilithid powers. This is one of my favorite builds i had tried, but to be honest, calling it broken is a bit misleading. Whats broken is abusing exploits, go figure? Using this build without abusing the invis exploit is not that great. It has an awesome turn 1, for sure. But after that youre just a subpar moon druid. Youre giving up your 3rd attack at druid 10, youre missing out on scaling so your panther is weaker, and to be honest panther is not even particularly good. Panther shape is a dex attacker with obly 15 dex. Its 14 strength means with tavern brawler, youre getting +4 to rolls. On top of that, panther pounce is a trash ability (flat 13 dex save, doesnt trigger wild strikes) which means you cant set yourself up for jugular strike. This build is a one trick pony on the first turn and nothing more, especially without the exploit.
A lot of rambling in this one. Your other videos are usually much more concise. To sum it up, level druid till you get panther. Abuse invisible ability by manually toggling off concentration to attack, hide and run away. Pick up assassin rogue and old one warlock. Have fun stalking.
I watch for the rambling tbh
Thanks, I was about to stop watching because there was so much rambling.
Lmao
why warlock?
Druida+Assassin+Warlock?
@@OBalduriano because warlock old one pact apply fear when you crit so enemies can't move
The reason why enemies dont get suprised is because you are killing your target before combat begins.
Oh, thanks!
Look how powerful and overpowered my level 11 character is in this newbie area with level 2 mobs. It's INSANE! Game BROKEN!
JUST LOOK AT THEM IM LVL 9 AND IM ONE SHOTTING THESE 2 LVL MOBS
I JUST BROKE THE GAME AGAIN!!111
For surprising the enemies you need to NOT kill the initial target. If they survive the attack from stealth everyone will be surprised, if it dies, the remaining enemies will have their turn as normal.
Thanks 🙏
PSA: If you are going to play Assassin subclass in any form, USE SHOVEL! Shovel is much more reliable at getting surprise, especially when attacking guards, because you don't get the 'you attacked a guard, watcha gonna do?' dialogue. Now when Shovel initiates and surprises enemies, you can still be out of combat (make sure you are stealth) and even your first attack(s) against a target will be guaranteed crits, and then obviously you get your actions back. You can feed Shovel elixir of vigilance so she always goes first, and (almost) never gets killed.
Using Shovel this way, L4 Assassin rogue, L1 warlock was honestly the smoothest act 1 of any playthrough I have done, and wasn't even Durge...
Hehe, thats nice one! 👍👍👍
Good advice. I really hate that I can initiate combat with a gobli at the goblin camp, and select the "attack" option after the cut scene, and despite scoring a direct hit on the goblin, it magically has full health and the character I initiated combat with gets no actions becuase they used it on the surprise attack!
I’m doing an all-tavern brawler party run and am playing as a moon druid, never occurred to me to dip 3 levels into assassin for the crits, but considering my party’s only lvl 6 I’ll definitely do it now.
The STR potion from Moonrise and Mirror of Loss +2 apply in Wild Shape.
Also, worth noting the Moon armor for druid also gives temp HP and won't do it over Agathys.
Wait really, that's awesome
The third attack at 11:10 is because when you start combat you'll get your extra attack from that action, plus the full action you get from being Assassin.
When you play a dual wielding Gloomstalker/Assassin, that means you'll have 5 attacks on the first turn (plus the one you started the fight with) - the first extra attack, your normal two, offhand, and gloomstalker attack. All as crits.
Then you use the shortsword you can buy from Dammon at Last Light Inn that does an extra 10 Necrotic damage on every crit. That's a free 50 damage on the first turn against surprised targets.
So what I'm hearing is, Duergar assassin would be insanely good.
Now what if we add just a few levels of Gloomstalker?..
@@alexsamurai1230 Gloomstalker 5, Assassin 3, two weapons: make 5 attacks, pop invis, rinse and repeat.
@@miked2232 get a couple of fighter levels in there for second wind and you up to 7, each one an auto-crit
this is out of context. The audience reflects the channel. Spud loves to make statement that don't resembles theme of his video. Also, making unreliable builds like "healing barbarian(?)". I can't believe people watch this sht
@@buluketek5030 what are you on about?
The invisibility for the panther is amazing. Didn’t realise it had a displacer beast trait. Like when you get hand gear and gear too that adds wisdom modifier to unarmed strikes you do so much damage with wild shape. Jaheira in my play has got tavern brawler and gear that enhances unarmed strikes- she does so much damage and is like crippling Steelwatchers
Lol, i thought all gear turns off, need to tesst it asap xD
@@TheSpudKing Yeah, it could be she just clattering them, but I don't know, it feels like her unarmed strikes have been buffed. So she has boots on that add wisdom modifier to unarmed strikes and I put some gloves on that add force damage. Not sure if the gauntlets are, but feels like she is doing more with wisdom modifier gear. I am playing on tactician and trying her with mage slayer feat but havnt had a fight yet to try it, but she has been killing enemies so quickly and so many wild strikes because she level 12 druid of land. Steel watchers are absolutely getting munched by her and crippled and knocked prone its wild.
@@Henbot You can hover over the attack in the chatlog to see where the damage is coming from. AFAIK, no items benefit Wild Shape damage.
For some reason my takeaway from this was to think how fun it would be to outsource the invisibility to a bard and play Stealth Slayer
Imagine dark urge duergar Panther 😂 nobody will ever be able to see you no matter the form lol
Woodhalfelf alredy gets proficency in Stealth, wich makes the Background redundant
6 in open hand monk to get extra attack and enhanced strikes. 4 in thief rogue to get extra bonus action and feat. 2 in spore druid to get extra on hit necrotic dmg. With monk wholeness and bonus action helmet (not even mentioning haste) you can put out over 250 dmg in one turn easily
Oh spuds! I finally understand why the panther at Cayo keep escaping from its cage, it is Panther Druid shapeshifted!
No... Use speak with animals on it and that rules this possibility out.
13:28
About surprised mechanic. If you kill an enemy with your first attack from stealth the rest of enemies wouldn't be surprised.
The panther is loose. If it mauls you, don't fight back. It's worth more than any of you.
I was thinking of experimenting with Druid build as well. I have found my Jahbear being an absolute monster and was going to do some tests with Mage Slayer as well as tavern brawler. The assassin initiative was something I was thinking about especially with a magic caster too because it easy to attack others that won’t taken a turn yet.
Next thing you know you're gonna make like a monk knight build that is also good at stealth and can one-shot everything with how random and yet broken your builds are
"It does not matter what the character looks like"... umm excuse me? It always matters. 😂
How do I maximize the power of this build?
* Assassin lv3 / Moon Druid lv ? / ?
* Which class increases damage or other stats?
* What equipment can I use in panther form that generates some positive result?
* What buffs or potions?
* Does the panther not use its bonus action for anything?
Thank you Spud for the tip on guaranteed Surprise! I always thought the only way to do it was by striking from invisibility, but turn-based + hide is even easier
I don't own baldur's gate but man do I love watching this!
Nice Feral Druid guide. Next do a Moonkin spell build :D
xD yeah, i was thinking about just slamming wow playlist here. So much vibes from feral dru
I am not sure if this will work against Myrkel though
Yeah, but we can stomp him eith owlbear xD
Damn I need to make another Druid Playthrough! Looks fun fr!
hes got WoW sitting on the log in screen in the background lol
I will name my new character Wakanda Forever. With this Druid Black Panther Build🐈⬛
Can u tell me how do u upgrade, everything in act 1 ? each mod u use or cheat engine, if u do so ofc, im trying to find something to be able to try builds before replay the game
I'm assuming gloomstalker is too much investment?(extra attack at the start of combat)
For the love of all the spuds as a Irish man pronounce Shillelagh as Shil-ay-lee
shilla lawgh
Shi li (random vowels)... nailed it.
Shelly Lee? I think I know her.
Spud, I love your videos what the other commentator took as a scatterbrained presentation I took as a display of your enthusiasm and excitement for the build and that’s one of the reasons I love watching your videos. Keep up the good work. I’m actually gonna give this a try question if you turn invisible as a Dalger, do you keep it when you shift to beast form?
Thanks 🙏 Haven't tested loads of druegar though, so don't know ;( but probably it will break, if it won't, sounds fun xD
Thanks Spud, great stuff. I stuck Halsin as moon druid and kept him in saber tooth, I was really impressed with his output. He also keeps quiet which is nice haha. All the best!
Did i miss the moment where he explains how he transform in wildshifts and not useing the 2 wildshift Stacks?
So how does this work out with potions?
Like does a Hill Giant STR adds up in the animal form which will stack with Tavern Brawler? What about Bloodlust potion?
Yeah, works completly fine
@@TheSpudKing lmao that is absolutely nuts :D
Still waiting for patch 7.
What a "force conduit" build? Maybe not the strong build to play, but i think there are cool items and play around it with a warrior!
Bro i've been asking all over youtube and no one doing it so i come to you .... Can you do a video on a druid Spider form focused build ? Thanks in advance man
Will try 😄
@@TheSpudKing ty man , gonna keep waiting
It Build is Viable now? For solo mode Honnor? or only group? Has anyone tested it?
Is this really a viable build for solo play? If I understand correctly, instead of hitting 3x it will hit 2x, and in places where there is no way to leave the battle invisible?
i tried minmaxxing vicious mockery by stacking storm scion hat, spiteful thunder, stormy clamor, hamarhraft, potent robe and a tempest cleric/bard/enchantment wizard multiclass 1/1/10... even with split enchantment its worse that sacred flame lol.
XD
I love your videos, your builds are so unique
what is the paint mode you use.
Thats original paint from game, black and furnace red colour
@@TheSpudKing thanks
I love your builds man. I’ve been loving doing themed builds and your channel was invaluable to do so. I think this would be so good in my stealth team. ❤
Enjoy 😊
This build feels like a bit of a reach. I'm very skeptical that it can keep up in a3 with a 6/3/x druid/rogue/x split unless those last three levels unless the x/x synergized strongly. I dont see warlock as measuring up.
Feels like you need resilient dex. What about uncanny dodge? Fighter surge works if triggered pre wild shape. Class based crit chance carry over? Maybe champion? Does phalar aluve persist if triggered pre wildshape?
Just to be clear spud, you've done some amazing builds with comprehensive breakdowns. Respect. But this video and some others lately feel a bit half-baked.
Did a little research. War cleric is a decent 2 level multiclass here. It's extra attack charge works in wildshape. And you could conditionally pre cast bless boosted by staff and use an invisible potion instead to initiate fights. Also, sanctuary is always nice to have.
Edit: then round out rogue to 4 for the 2 feats.
i have no idea how you're getting 4 attacks.
i specked exactly as your build suggested...and when i attack from invisible state, sometimes my action isn't consumed, sometimes it is.
so i can get an extra attack after the first, but i won't be able to go invisible afterwards. and i definitely don't get 4 attacks.
First two attacks should be triggered from action and extra attack, but action will be refreshed from assasin, so we can make 4
@@TheSpudKing i suppose this works only on enemies that are hostile off-the-bat.
when dudes are just neutral, then attacking them triggers a dialog rather than combat, and then you don't get the action refreshing from assassin.
or at least not consistently.
i also noticed this build fails when it comes to enemies that heal back to full outside of combat like various elementals.
A fun one!
But does it work just as nice with Act 3 bosses?
Haven't tested with every one, but if we can disengage, its almost fine against everyone (few exceptions and long flights ofc)
Your character looks like young jaheira
Thumbs up because you are the only content creator on youtube that says shilelagh correctly 😂
What is the music at min 7.
Skyrim ost
@@WuterJo Thanks. Do you know the track?
So it's basically the same as dwergar-rogue, but worse. Much less damage, and a little bit of druid magic. What's broken here again?
For your racial selection, I would personally recommend Lightfoot Halfling, Deep Gnome, or Half Orc. The first two both get advantage on Stealth checks, while the Halfling also gets to reroll natural 1's and the Gnome gets advantage on Int / Wis / Cha saves. As for the Half Orc, they get a bonus damage die when they roll a critical hit, and they get to survive a killing blow with 1 HP once per long rest.
Unfortunately none of it works in wild shape
There's nothing broken about this build. It's several low damage attacks, which probably why you demonstrate everything against targets you meet when you are level 3 and below.
I mean, its nice that its possible to do this, but would anyone ever actually play like this? Do one attack and run away in stealth? With one char. Its beyond tedious, especially in a game that's already 100h long in a full party.
Also "totally broken" doesnt ring so great when you're showing a lvl 6-9 build on lvl 1 enemies..
Can you do a deva mace build For Xbox?
Also cool build 😊
Spudking please theory craft Frieza from DBZ
Ive ran this before. Ive done every wildshape build you have or have not heard of, as wildshape builds are my jam. Its disheartening how little actually works alongside wildshapes when it comes to feats and multiclassing and even ilithid powers.
This is one of my favorite builds i had tried, but to be honest, calling it broken is a bit misleading. Whats broken is abusing exploits, go figure? Using this build without abusing the invis exploit is not that great. It has an awesome turn 1, for sure. But after that youre just a subpar moon druid. Youre giving up your 3rd attack at druid 10, youre missing out on scaling so your panther is weaker, and to be honest panther is not even particularly good. Panther shape is a dex attacker with obly 15 dex. Its 14 strength means with tavern brawler, youre getting +4 to rolls. On top of that, panther pounce is a trash ability (flat 13 dex save, doesnt trigger wild strikes) which means you cant set yourself up for jugular strike.
This build is a one trick pony on the first turn and nothing more, especially without the exploit.
Finally 😊
Does not work
There's like 1 ad every 1 min of this episode I'm not sure if its the Channel or if its RUclips. I stopped watching.
Sounds like AI talking
AI know how to spell words a lot better i guess xD
Just play a Duergar...