Should the Lakers Just Pay LeBron? | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 10 мар 2024
- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to discuss the news that LeBron James wants a new deal to stay with the Lakers.
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If the Lebron lakers era hasn’t been a success while winning a ring and having another WCF appearance what does that mean for every other team not named the nuggets, warriors, bucks, and raptors?
That's the thing: for any other team that would be a success. This is the Lakers we're talking about. A Laker success is multiple titles. 1 title since 2019 is great but sprinkled among those years has been season ending injuries, first round playoff losses, missed playoff, etc. Still a success but not statue-worthy/jersey retiring stuff imho. ok, maybe jersey retirement lol.
When all NBA sports media spends 50% of their time talking about LeBron, he's an investment in advertising for your team.
Doesn’t it all just seem like a fake cycle lmao. No one is as interested in lebron as the Tv makes it seem
@@Bobbleheads56 It's just funny Bill Simmons doesn't understand why the Lakers would pay LeBron when he spends half of his time talking about LeBron which means he spends half his time talking about the Lakers. In what other sport does media spend half their time talking about the 9th placed team in the Conference? Why pay LeBron? Because Bill Simmons will keep making videos about him.
50%?
@@Bobbleheads56 leave your bubble
@@Bobbleheads56 Tell me a Superstar more interesting than the him. Jokic is the best player in the world and no one gives a fuck. LeBron is the face of Basketbal till he retires
The facial expression freeze that Rusillo holds at 11:16 goes for 20 seconds!! Elite glitch right there.
I’m crying!
Al Roker
lul
I read that right when it happened. And Bill said right right when I typed right. Screw LeBron.
No, they shouldn’t. History says they will.
There's no reason for them not to, they won't get better after losing him and they will be exponentially less relevant
They will pay. They will sell out the arena until California slides into the sea and even gimpy LeBron playing 10 mpg will always be a big draw and they'll show him on TV even if the Lakers are getting blown out as a .300 team.
Why do you say no? I'm not questioning you, I do disagree but I am also curious
@@ernesto8290I can probably answer for him. The reality is he is paid the max for 3 more years, in all likelihood in 2 or at least 1 year of it, he will not provide the ok court value to warrant it. And with how much more restricted the cap is getting, it hurts their chances of putting together a competitive team. And most importantly we already have multiple years of evidence that LeBron + AD + a decent but very good supporting cast isn’t enough to compete at the absolute highest level. They need to go Spurs 2014 model where their old stars are playing 28 minutes a game to save their bodies for the playoffs and also taking pay cuts from the max so they can build a roster that can give them the time to save their bodies and also the talent around them to actually win.
That Spurs team had the big 3 but also Kawhi, Danny Green, Boris Diaw, Patty Mills, etc they had absolute studs, particular in the playoffs when they really cared.
Steroids
The problem is that the lakers got rid of the role players that won them the championship 😂
Kyle Kuzma, Alex Caruso, KCP, JaVale McGee, Dwight Howard
We‘ve had so many players that we just kept shuffling guys in and out lol.
Julius Randle, Zubac, Brandon Ingram are 3 more that I can add.
@@Spider-Nalgas Zubac is the only one that Lakers should be pissed about. They needed to trade Ingram to get AD and I just don' trust Randle in the playoffs plus Lakers don't need a player like him.
The other players Lakers should be mad about not keeping are Brook Lopez and Caruso. Caruso is getting paid 9 million per year. Trading KCP and Kuzma for Westbrook was another blunder but blame for that goes on LeBron, AD and Lakers FO.
You forgot Rondo.
Another 3 years of play-ins with no wiggle room for a realistic replacement for him with big free agents coming up.
There are no big free agents coming and regardless, AD + Any FA wouldnt be much bettet than AD+LeBron plus this roster.
Huh? The best FA will be Pascal Siakam who the Lakers won’t even be able to afford even if they let LeBron go. No better option exists for them.
@@gaborkiss650 these idiots say whatever just to hate on LeBron lol
didn't they make it to the conference finals last season, I must've been seeing things
@@peterkoroma7876 And they just lost cause of injury to AD versus the Suns, with an easy path to the Finals and maybe back to back rings (although as a Giannis fan I refuse to believe anybody wouldve stopped him that year)
I listened to this entire conv and not once did they mention part of Kobr getting his last contract was that he was a laker for his entire career. Lebron is a mercenary that should be treated as such. Longer deal less years, or extend him fora year at max money. If he declines, let him hit the market
They never mentioned Lebron lack of defense.
I don’t know why they wouldn’t. You have to pay someone, so you might as well pay the guy that makes you the most money back. He and Curry are still the largest draws in the NBA. Bron’s farewell tour will make a lot of money. They are also the Lakers so it shouldn’t be that long till they inevitably find another all time great.
that farewell tour is gonna make crazy money
Because a players salary should reflect only their on-court performance as a player. Nothing else considered. Yes they should pay him , just not the absolute MAX which he wants, but something like 30 mil a year .
@@GeotuneOfficialThe issue is the contract and cap system. We’re seeing great players play longer and the system isn’t designed to accommodate it. Players that generate BILLIONS for franchises should rightly get a golden handshake after their best days are behind them, but there’s no way to do that without killing your options as a team. Implementing something like a retirement contract; where a veteran can be on any team they played X years for or won a championship for where only the veteran’s minimum is on the books and the rest is whatever the franchise decides to pay might be a good idea. Say the limit is 4 years on it, and the year you stop playing is the year it comes off the books. The retirement part is enforceable, so you’d need to be out of the league after.
Means that, for example LeBron, could announce his retirement contract with Lakers, Cavs, or Miami. They pay vet min to the salary cap and then whatever they agree goes to Bron. He gets money he deserves based on the money he made those franchises and what he did for them, they get to let that player retire in their jersey and do right by him. Same with Steph and GSW. It’s right that he retire there.
@@GeotuneOfficial NBA is a business. Giannis's brother is on the bucks to appease Giannis even tho he sucks, thats a business move. Lebron is an all nba player to this day and sells tickets and jerseys. The Lakers can demand as much as they do for their patch sponser because they will be on national TV a lot due to.... Lebron.
Ryen is one of those good guys. We like Ryen. Got a book rec for you, Russillo: JFK and The Unspeakable.
You guys complain about rings culture and then you want the Lakers to be overly concerned with winning the title. Lebron taking a little bit less isn't winning you the title either. Championships aren't everything. Give Lebron his deal and figure the rest out later. Also you like having Tatum and Brown on max deals and you have Porzingis and Holiday on your team. So clearly paying 2 stars can work. The team is way better off paying Lebron than Kobe
They are literally everything they hate. Every single thing lol.
He's not worth it. He should take a pay cut. 3 years @ 30 mil is generous
@@Dss902 Whatever they pay him is not enough. He has probably increased the value of the franchise by 1 billion
@@jeremypalmer5860 no he hasn't. If anything he has cheapened the franchise.
Yeah exactly well said man. Lebron and the lakers have a mutual relationship and will continue helping each others brand. Lebron is also focused on stacking his billions so when he decides to own a team he can and will.
They are talking as if this team didn’t make the conference finals last year
What have you done for me lately? You don't pay players for past success. Ask MJ and the 98 Bulls.
past success was last seasons lmao and they've won the season series against elite teams this yr. Whats your rebuttal@@havok6280
Conference finals with Lebron playing on one foot too
@@havok6280they won the 98 title tho
@@havok6280That mentality is why they Bulls dynasty ended in the first place
Yes, they should absolutely pay him, just not the absolute MAX salary at 50 - 60 Mil a year.
He should accept in the 30 Mil a year range so they actually have some room to work with.
That wouldn't actually free up cap space. You have to learn the cap situation.
I find the comparisons to the Kobe situation fascinating. Yes LeBron is a big name star (obviously) but Kobe was the face of the Lakers for a long time and 2nd best or best player for 5 rings over an entire career spent in LA, so honoring him with one last contract at least sort of makes sense because he was a Laker from beginning to end. LeBron was a mercenary and he only won you one title when the Franchise has 17.
LeBron instantly turned LA around from almost a decade of mediocrity and irrelevance.
Lebron isn't loved as a Laker.
@@shaynelee487instantly? Didn't they miss the playoffs when he joined?
Jeanie Buss doesn't give a shit about honoring Lakers' faithful. I mean for fuck's sake: they left Jerry West, a lifelong Laker who won a chip as a player then went on to coach and work in the front office his entire life, off of the top 5 Lakers. Yet put Lebron, who had only player a couple of seasons at that point. She loves attention and showbiz, period. Kobe brought out the celebrities and attention even when he was playing badly at the end. Lebron is going to bring that same kind of publicity and attention, and that's good enough even if the teams are meh.
@@shaynelee487 instantly missed the playoffs. Then AD came to the rescue.
What headphones are you using Bill ? Or does anyone know ??
A sign and trade would be lit. I'd love the entertainment of that.
LeBron's salary makes it impossible for them to build a proper roster especially with the new rules. Why aging stars who can't dominate anymore demand that franchises take a dive for you is beyond me.
Guys like Jaylen brown make 300 million but the NBA's cash cow for 20 years has to take a paycut? Lebron was taking paycuts on the heat while owners see their franchises explode in networth..... Curry has seen his team grow 10x their worth but he has to take paycuts cuz hes older? FUCK no
“it hasn’t really worked” They (Lebron+Ad) Have won the same amount of rings as the Celtics since the 80s… You guys are running out of LeBron topics after 20 years?
Did he say, "not successful 4 year stretch." Didn't they win a ring in that time? How much better did Taytum and Brown do?
Bro won tournament , all his other seasons with lakers been bad
@@YoungMaster_626won a chip , won the mid season tournament, got the WCF .
What has the celtics done in the same stretch? Every other team would love to have the same success
@@YoungMaster_626 They went as far as the Celtics did last playoffs and won a ring in 2020.
The only bad thing LeBron did was get behind the Westbrook trade which destroyed Lakers chance of getting another ring.
@@M.B.o.Dexactly, we wasted 1.5yrs with the WB thing but outside of that we’ve been pretty successful
Fluked a ring, got rid of all their picks and young prospects, and will be in the wilderness for years after he retires... Meanwhile, Tatum and Brown are coming to their peak.
When is the bad contracts draft?
Do it Lakers
forgot a key question--what are the options? what could they get for him?
He’s a free agent
He’s a free agent
Bill just wanted to hate on the Lakers, Bron and AD got a great offensive season when they won a championship because they were surrounded by decent 3 and D players and vets who knew how to win. They just made to many moves in the following seasons.
So the plan is dump Lebron and build the team around Davis? Unless you have a replacement star lined up this is a dumb topic
bruh its the lakers tho.. if any team has stars lined up ready to go its LA, they wont have to rebuild but can retool for a year or two and get the next unhappy superstar that wants to go to LA
@@kam_12_LeBron is the last player LA allure shtick will work on. Lol bruh this ain’t the 80s no more, people are leaving Cali.
@@johnnyblinggPoor people are leaving LA. Not famous black millionaires wanting to make even more millions.
Dude I’m not even a Laker fan but I’m not so stupid and deluded to type what you just did. ITS THE LAKERS.
@@kevinc8955 Ok dummy outside of LeBron and AD, after Kobe retired, please tell me what superstar has the LA allure BS worked on?
The exact same reason you're talking about him Bill, is why they'll pay him a lot.
what do you tell ad? hey lebron wanted too much money so enjoy playing with reaves because we still dont have cap space either way but it opens up flexibility to maybe get a free agent in a couple years. lol
At that point you trade AD after this season, probably his best ever.
Actually they should do just that. Let go LeBron and trade AD
@Edd-zd5wb i still think you gotta see what the lakers can do in the postseason before we can make a plan to trade anthony davis and let lebron walk. they are playing better lately give them a chance but if its a disaster maybe you think about rebuilding
@@samfc23 Thats what i would do. AD healthy for an entire season is something you prob arent getting anymore.
Trade now that someone can think "hey, maybe the injuries are part of the past
@Edd-zd5wb yeah his value is probably pretty high rn. still ideally you keep your best players especially if they are top 10ish guys in the league
@@samfc23 you are right about that prob
They should try the consistent type
Yes. Haters are going to say no but if you don't keep him who will you have in his place ? Another 40,000 point starter that can play all 5 positions knows every teams playbook damn near and a 21 time ASG to name a few. What ya got better haters?
luka lol
Im a LeBron guy. But this will upset me. This will guarantee that LeBron remains uncompetitive for the remainder of his career. I wanna see him olay in big games and chase rings. That is only possible if he realizes hes made enough money and take a huge oay cut
Very much agree.
Disagree, They were just in the WCF but ran into jokic having the greatest offensive playoff run of all time. They can absolutely build a contending roster in LA.
@@gypsywasteland they will never be better than the Nuggets, Celtics or even Minnesota (when they get experienced) paying 2 max salaries that can't play 82. We need a deep skillet team that can't play hard defense so we don't have to scratch and claw and empty the tank just to get into the play in tournament
He decided his own fate with the mind bending Russ trade he supported/preferred.
That literally was the end with last year run just a Pelinka miracle out of nowhere
@@Edd-zd5wb no disagreement with that. That 2021 team, had AD not been injured would've ran through the West again. They should've brought back that same exact team and kept it
got tristan thompson a max when he was in cleveland then complained they couldnt sign anyone. get paid or win, both aint happenin.
Thats a rare take lol. He was facing KD, Curry, Draymond and Klay.
I think a complaint about having Ish Thomas and a pick for Irving was warranted. But hey, maybe he shouldve beat that team by himself
@@Edd-zd5wb haha yeah youre right. i make hasty comments.
@@justinslavin4843 every hater does sometimes. It happens
@@Edd-zd5wb i predate haters, we used to just be called fans of another team. usin hater is corny btw.
Funny, it sure as hell seems like he did plenty of winning to me.
Let's remember they did make it to the Conference Finals last year! And without LeBreezy, that doesn't happen.
A Darius Garland type PG would be awesome. Weapon in pick and role with AD and catch and shoot 3 for LeBron to pass to.
Bill, just share your heart's desire....Become a Lakers fan...
Maybe the Lakers could be his third favorite team.
The Celtics, and didn’t he have Clippers season tickets at one point?
@@fortynights1513 Don't know if he ever had Clippers tickets. Surely he would have mentioned it at some point...
@@synapse913If you’ve ever seen the redraftables series from 2020, he brought it up in almost every video.
To the point where people in the comments sections said “take a drink every time he said he had Clippers season tickets”
@@fortynights1513 You ruined the joke
@@synapse913One of those times where if we were in the room I would have heard your tone of voice and gotten that you weren’t asking a legit question.
My bad.
Also, legit, what’s that green image you used?
Don’t forget superstars like Duncan and Nowitzki took pay cuts in their later years to make their team competitive. LeBron demanding max money is pure ego and greed.
Duncan and Dirk weren't as marketable as LeBron. Warriors(now that they are in SF) and Lakers games will always sell out but the ticket prices will keep being really high till LeBron and Curry are on those teams.
Lakers Vs Warriors game coming up has the cheapest ticket for almost $300 while Warriors Vs Dallas(Doncic) has the cheapest ticket price at $85.
Miami @ Denver in a finals rematch has the cheapest ticket price at $66.
@@M.B.o.D you’re right but at the end of the day it still comes down to what his priorities are and winning clearly isn’t number 1
They weren’t as good as lebron at this age
@@misinfluence agreed but LeBron is no longer good enough to lead a contending team
Lakers were in the WCF with bron playing on 1 foot.
1 foot? LOL
Bro shut up with bullshit , AD carried team last year and this year
Thank you for this
And they got swept
4 clutch games, 4 times lechoke at his best. Davis is the best player on that team and covers lebron on Defense. Just retire, no one cares.
Bill Sinmons knows Bron brings in the numbers. He’ll make up any reason to talk about him
Yet not realize that makes it worth signing him
Simmons hates the Lakers !! You have to take that into anything he proposes !!
Ryen why are you blurring your bg now lol dude
As a Nuggets fan, DO IT JEANIE! PLEASE!!!
*PAY LeMAN!!!* 😂🙏
Didn’t realize til now Simmons was so slow😂
The main question is who they are going to pay those money to in the free agency market? very thin market in talent.
well if they pay him 40mil a year instead of 80, they can use 40mil to get Paul George if the clippers lose. Jrue Holiday. OR Demar Derozan which i think is most likely.
Don't they sell out every game? He sells top five jerseys. It makes sense financially to sign him as well
I hope they do. Will be nice to see them continue their reign as the kings of mediocrity
They were in the West Conference Finals last season. The most viewed game this season was Lakers vs Warriors. The fans care about the stars and Curry and Lebron are still the faces of the league.
It hasn’t worked for 4 years? They literally have a championship
Bubble championship that if not for the shortened season where Lebron only had to blow all his energy for the bubble, he wouldn’t have won anything.
@@kevinc8955just lying lakers were the 1 seed before the bubble stop the delusional hate.
Wonder if the NBA could institute some sort of ‘doing right by the veterans’ contract where only the vet’s min is on the books and the rest is not part of the cap.
Let’s say for a player that’s been in the league for a certain amount of time, or with a single team for a certain amount of time, or is announcing retirement, can be given an overblown contract that are only partially included in the salary cap. So when Steph decides to retire, as an example, GSW would likely not want to pay him anywhere close to a max, same with any aging star in the league, but what they did for the franchise is unquestionable and there’s a sense that they should do right by him. Let’s say vet min goes on the books, and then the franchise can give whatever money after the fact. Allows you to retain the old legend you should be paying massive amounts of money to because of how much money they made that franchise while not sacrificing the moment. The expectation at the moment is that old franchise players either get overpaid because they deserve it for career contributions, they eat a small contract because it makes sense for the team, or they go elsewhere because some go nowhere team wants more profit that year.
THERE GOES GIL AGAIN SAYING THE WORD "RIGHT" AFTER EVERY SENTENCE
@1:15 - Ryan and Bill Simmons (the legend) refuse to acknowledge that signing LeBron at this point, and formerly $40 M Kobe Bryant is the antithesis to New England franchises when it comes to loyalty and their proven hero-superstars.
See, any Bill Belichick handling of an aging superstar or Celtic's Ray Allen, Isiah Thomas or Marcus Smart as an example
LeBron hasn't spent his entire career in a Lakers uniform so why are you bringing up loyalty? LeBron has always been about titles and how he can get the most. If he stays with the Lakers for a max deal, they won't win another title.
Ray left on his own.
kobe made 25 million each year, 2 year 50 mill total. Lebron wants 3 year/150 million
@@seitostockman. NBA contracts are much different now though. I remember Kobe’s contract being pretty big for the time, but Kobe had spent his entire career as a Laker, he was old, he wasn’t the same after the Achilles injury, and even the team was rebuilding by that point.
@@Spider-Nalgas hoping the lakers don't do it but they probably will. Lebron doesn't deserve that send-off treatment like Kobe got imo
The type of team you put around Bron and AD is a skill guard than can run PnR, an athletic POA defender that can shoot 3’s and either a legit big body rebounder that can deal with bigger centers OR another 3-D wing that can attack closeout for “small ball” when AD is at the 5. What you don’t do is put the ball in the hands of a PG that has a similar drive and kick playstyle as Lebron but can’t space the floor… like Westbrook. I blame the FO for that but I also blame Bron and AD for pushing or at the very least supporting it.
Bill the Celtics are fools gold you know it.
Y’all just jack up 3s and have no post defense . Coach is 3rd tier.
No real pg to set the table.
Poor Execution in closing moments is why you guys will never win.
Court shrinks in the playoffs/4th quarter and it’s just iso or kick to a three, 4 seconds left in the shot clock.
My top five
1 Diego Maradona
2 LeBron James
3 Lance Armstrong
4 Marion Jones
5 Ben Jonson
He’s averaging 25 7 8 it makes a lot of sense actually
Of course they should
as a laker fan im fine with paying Bron, id prefer he take less, but tbh i dont see a scenario where we move on from him and the team improves over a team like the nuggets anyways
It depends. If you want championships, probably not. If you want to make money for your franchise, full seats, get eyes on the franchise, then sure.
For success at this age for Lebron I think they need a lineup where Bron can be the worst defender and the worst three pt shooter of the starting lineup
Of course they MUST pay our King. The LeLove we have for LeHim is LeUnmatched
Simmons has been pushing this moronic “let LeBron go” line for weeks now. Give it up buddy, it’s boring af.
should they? i dunno, i don't really see a reason for them not to. they won't win anymore chips while he's there but they damn sure won't be doing anything for a long time if he's gone either. they were horrendous before he got there and they'll be awful after he's gone until someone like Luka wants to be a laker and there's just not too many players of that caliber.
Those Kobe teams were going to be bad whether he got paid or not, they were struggling to surround him with a winning team before the Achilles injury
You said this bill.
"I think an interesting move was brissett for new England. I think he's better than Russell Wilson right now in his career and there is no debate really."
How high are you Bill?
Just gotta not think about situations like this. There’s athletes getting paid for no reason. Klyer Murray for example. People have been talking about lebron retiring he’s making a lot of money. A lot. And once he retires that might be it.
LeBron + Davis is awesome. What else would they do to sell tickets and compete? They have the most popular player in the NBA.
Saying Lebron doesn't have the offensive impact this year is peak Bill Simmons
Stat padding is not the same as having an offensive impact, and the numbers (that were mentioned it this segment by Bill) back that up.
Deni Avdija scored 43 with 15 boards this season to show you what the NBA is nowadays.
I really hope Lakers give this contract to him. Its great for the league and after what Lebron has done for 20 years he deserves that contract & life in LA! (Suns fan)
Won't help them win another title, will probably result in some very oddly-put together teams and another lost couple of years when Lebron finally does leave, just like what happened towards the end of Kobe's career. But it will help them constantly be in the news, no matter how mediocre the team might be. And for Jeanie Buss that's good enough.
Age wise it doesn't make sense, production wise, the market absolutely says he's a max player. Unfortunately for the Lakers even if he takes a massive discount they are still most likely over the cap. Also i don't think the Lakers are worried about any team in the west except Denver. With that said, you roll the dice on lebron still being productive and pray that lightning strikes and you can surpass denver and get to the Finals
Injuries to other players ruined this year while injuries to LeBron and AD ruined prior years..
@@Edd-zd5wb Agreed. That's the main drawback to giving Lebron a massive contract is health concern. But he has absolutely produced at a max level player this year and for most of his tenure with LA
I bet Simmons isn’t taking less in any deal he negotiates..
Simmons really does hate Bron!! He genuinely can’t stand that Lebron at all!!
The one thing ill say is that if LeBron really wanted to win he would take less money. Now im now pocket watching here but Tim Duncan took less for years to stay as competitive as possible. That's all I'm saying.
Lol, didn't you record those same exact arguments like 20 days ago? Dude
Pay him for what? Being a part-time player?
Part time? He missed like.8 games this year
When you dont watch but your pathetic existence needs to hate famous people
@@dparks2856 How many times has LeBum Jones played more than 65 games in a season since signing with the Lakers?
@@Edd-zd5wb Take it easy. If you're going online to defend LeBum Jones, how cool are you?
@@shawnanderson9490 if you say somehting stupid what Im supossed to do? Argue against it?
Bill you compared a guy who only had to play one side of the ball. This may be one of the comparison between sports that doesn’t work
There’s isn’t a player available you can replace him with. 25/7/7
His points and stats are meaningless, doesn’t impact the game . And he’s defensive liability
@@YoungMaster_626someone who doesn’t watch the games exposing themselves. Also players when guarded by Lebron this year are shooting the worst percentage (40.7) out of anyone else
I like LeBron. For the Lakers future tho, he needs to be traded so the Lakers can rebuild. Being in top 8 in the West is not enough to be a contender.
OKC would give up the farm for A.Davis.
The difference with LeBron and Brady: One plays basketball one plays football.
They should. That's good for the Lakers and the league.😂😂😂😂😂.
It's a brilliant move by the lakers, they took care of Kobe, now lebron, then the Next star (Giannis, luka, joining AD after born leaves) knows if they go to the lakers and WIN, they will be taken care of..
They need to pay him asap or risk losing christian wood...
Why don’t they talk about lebrons defense?
Imagine having a random star in the league shooting 41% from 3 and averaging 25.3 7.1 and 8. Would this even be a worthy topic of debate
That's not max contract material. Especially at his age. LeBron is replaceable.
Those stats aren't a max? okay Ima just leave this one to you buddy, I don't think I wana reply anymore xD@@Dss902
in this NBA that’s not even a top 5 player
so if you pay that guy the max, what’s happening to your franchise?
@@Dss902that’s absolutely max money. How many guys in the league average 25-7-7 and shoot 50% from the field and 40% from 3. 😂😂 you cant name me 10 guys with better numbers and efficiency then that
@@saidufofanah2210 those aren't winning numbers for everyone. There's lots of players as good and better than Lebron now, and they're much younger.Lebron is nowhere near a max player.
Even though these guys bleed Celtic Shamrock green they are right. Lakers will throw the money at the stars show loyalty.
They will sign him because they want him to be a Laker when he does his farewell tour.
They are a 7-10 seed team with AD and Bron as their best players the last 3 years or so, Lakers need to make changes because this duo just isn’t working anymore. If Lebron isn’t willing take less then it’s time to move on, paying him max money only gonna continue to make it harder to build a championship roster. They can’t sign anyone, they don’t really have the assets to trade for someone who will make a huge difference
How much did LeBron make the Lakers with him being there? He made way more than the three year max he wants…..
This is business… He got a good relationship with management group, he fulfilled all his obligations as the face of the team and best player… He had the top saling jersey multiple years there…. He brought more attention to that franchise globally and increased there fan base…. And lastly he brought them a chip….. play the man. No question asked…..
Nothing like bill crapping on Lebron for 17 minutes 😂
How about Lebron joining the clippers
Funny how LeBron has essentially gone year to year to maximize his value and then now wants to do a long term extension at 39?
Ryan wtf r u even talking about "no good players"
9:18 just say you don’t like Kobe bro lmao
what irks Simmons is that his beloved Celts do everything 'the right way' & still get smoked when it matters while LAL with Bron & AD + whoever can still go all the way.
Lebron loves LA and he doesn't want to leave. He's probably not gonna leave. Lakers could/should use that leverage. If he takes a slight haircut, they could probably get Derozan and Caurso or perhaps....PG 13???? He hasn't signed his extension yet. Or a legit superstar this offseason. They have a few first rounders that they could give up in the near future that would be interesting to an opposing team. Anyway, if he demands a Full max at 3 years, the Lakers will not be able to win another championship. If he has ANY real chance of wanting to win another one or having serious chances, a haircut of idk 50 to maybe 30-35/year. That opens the door. A paycut with a another super star and Lakers could be very serious contenders. If it's full max next year and years, that's over 100 million for 2 guys.
As an organization they should pay Lebron the max regardless if his play regresses or not. The media just makes a big deal out of it just because it's Lebron. He may not be as valuable as his contract but at the end of the day it's business. Lebron pushes the market of a franchise in another level. Taking a pay cut would be great for them to retool but it's not a guarantee they would win a championship. If Lebron takes a huge pay cut and still don't win a championship because of injuries or other stuff, it would be embarrassing for him.
It’s not the same or really comparable to Kobe’s situation at all. LBJ is not even in the same kind of situation, other than just negotiating a contract extension/renewal and being old too. But even LBJ hasn’t aged out as badly as Kobe did by 35-36, because of injuries.
You missed the point. The discussion about Kobe and Lebron was focused on how it impacts the franchise, the roster, the team's ability to get solid players, and how management wants the league to notice that they take care of their players. In summary, it’s more about the team's POV. You are focused on the player's point of view.
@@ObiAmajoyiSrMD I get what you and both of these guys are saying with that and it’s something I see people talk about online too. I think that’s one similarity also between the two’s situation now that you mentioned it, but if you’re talking about “team’s POV”, I’d still say The Lakers are in a better spot rn, than in Kobe’s last years. Just have to see what happens in the coming years.
I bet if you asked Tatum and the rest the Celtics if they would trade all their four so years of good regular seasons for an actual championship win they would. Lebron and the lakers have a title in the past five years. Last I checked the Celtics are ringless. History doesn’t remember the random teams that had a good stretch of regular seasons.
Lebron can't guard Tatum, is that really a thing?
He can't guard anybody, but maybe it's only because he isn't trying anymore? End result is the same tho
@@SchulzEricTIono, Tatum isn't exactly the quickest forward in the league so i'm sure Lebron can guard him he just doesn't guard anybody as you say in the regular season.
Sign him for 1 year, let him walk if he try to play hard ball. Y’all can make the play in without him. Make a play for Paul George.
Kobe’s last few years deserve a legitimate omission, Torn Achilles, Broken Bone in Knee, Rotator Cuff, he was legitimately finished but he wasn’t going to go out (albeit on top) after his Achilles. LeBron on the other hand is stat padding and the league cannot lose him because he makes the association and networks so much money (like MJ, Kobe and Bird did). With that being said, LeBron has been going out bad since 2018 and the longer he continues be play he moves himself down in the all-time rankings and Goat debate. He should literally take 50% less money and allow the Lakers to build a better roster around him so he can win a 5 & 6 cheap ring. Regardless, they’re stuck and won’t win.
title or not Lebron is box office. that's why they will get best ad deals and shirt sales and all other merch. they will pay him cause without him they are not really relevant.
Petition the league to move them to the east....
This Lakers team is good enough for LeBron to do stuff. But he's not the same anymore I don't care what stats say.
Id move AD to the Thunder hes a superstar who covers the teams greatest weakneses such a match made in heaven happens so rarely if im the lakers I want
Cason Wallace
Lu Dort
Kenrich Williams
Isiaha Joe
Ousman Dieng
3 firsts (in years picks currently arent available). after this occurs id want to make more moves. Id call up the magic and offer Reeves for Mo wagner and a second which will clear up 4 million and fill a position of need. Next id call up the raptors and see if theyd take Rui for Bruce Brown and a second toronto could lose him for mothing or they could get back a younger guy for minimal cost to the team. After these moves the team should have about 12 miion cleared in cap space and a significantly deeper team who also has the ability to draft for the foreseeable future
If lebron takes the vet min then the lakers free up like10 mil in cap space lmao