I’m a boat fisherman who is really impressed with you guys fighting and landing these fish from a kayak. I don’t mean to be “that guy,” but it makes me wince a little every time you say ‘Chinook’. The ‘ch’ is pronounced as ‘sh’ like in ‘chagrin’, so it’s ‘shuh-nook’. Love the videos. New camera looks great. See you on the water!
That’s the exact setup I have with the exception of a old town pdl 120. I also extend the arm out and away a little more from the boat but I have not thought of putting it so close to the kayak before and will try that the next time I am out. Thanks for the video! Please post more!
Sounds like a great rig! That kayak looks awesome. Good eye on the angle of the downrigger arm. I broke the clutch on it, so it pretty much shoots back even if I try to set it out wide. You're right though, it puts less torque on the boat and I have an easy time going straight so I haven't bothered replacing it.
Good question! I'm extremely hard on my gear, which is why I use ugly stik almost exclusively. The main things I look for are 1. durable 2. slow action--you basically want the rod to do some of the fighting for you while you deal with your downrigger or whatever 3. long enough to deal with a flasher board+4' leader. I buy other stuff sometimes and end up breaking it right away. So, my current recommendations are: -Rod: Ugly Stik BWDR620C832 -Reel: Okuma CW203. I used the 153 for a while but it got fried during the Edmonds coho derby. Slightly bigger would be better. -Line: 30# braid main line, uni to uni knot to 40' of 25# mono, bead chain to your flasher board, 20# fluorocarbon from the flasher board to your spoon/hoochie/etc. Hope to see you out there!
@@kayakfishingpnw Thank you for trolling Rod and reel recommendation! I check the ugly stick rod item number you mentioned here at the website. The rod they sell nowadays has yellow color not same as what you are using. Wondering if the item number is wrong or ugly stick no longer producing that black black rod like yours. Thanks!
It does look different. I think they just changed the color. As long as it’s an 8’3” downrigger rod, it’s probably their current version. It should be rated for 10-20 lb line. Mine is at least 2 years old.
Super cool! I have been wanting to try taking my kayak to the sound and look for Salmon but it’s a bit spooky to head out there alone with no experience
Depends on species. For coho I go between 3 and 4.5 mph if I'm going with the current. Against the current more like 2.5. If you go too fast you'll end up overwhelming your swivel and twisting your line. Chinook are much slower--typically between 1.5 and 3 mph. With chinook the lure needs to be near the bottom which isn't practical with a 4 lb ball at high speed.
4 lb. That's the max for the Scotty Lake Troller. It seems fine for Coho, but gets a little challenging for Chinook, especially if you are going against the current. Basically, that light ball gets picked up by the currents and gets pulled off the bottom. That's obviously fine for coho, but if you are trying to stay within a few feet of bottom for chinook, it pulls you out of range. I actually either stop occasionally and let the ball hit the bottom or let out down rigger line until hits bottom then either reel up a few turns or start going a little faster to bring it up. I find that I need about 150' of down rigger line out for 110' of water, for instance. A heavier ball may be a good idea but be careful with the track system on the Mirage Compass. Mine seems to strain a little bit under the weight of the ball when I'm yanking it up as fast as I can with a fish on. You may want to consider upgrading to the H rail system if you want to use a heavier ball--especially if the DR itself has a longer arm. I'm probably upgrading this week because my left track is giving out from years of supporting a rod holder with salmon yanking on it.
I’m a boat fisherman who is really impressed with you guys fighting and landing these fish from a kayak.
I don’t mean to be “that guy,” but it makes me wince a little every time you say ‘Chinook’. The ‘ch’ is pronounced as ‘sh’ like in ‘chagrin’, so it’s ‘shuh-nook’.
Love the videos. New camera looks great. See you on the water!
I appreciate it it! I learned that recently and changed the way I pronounce it. This video is a bit old. Hope to see you out there. Tight lines!
Nice job bringing that DR up. That fish would have wrapped for sure when he was trying to run under your kayak. Strong work out there!
Thanks! I learned to bring in the DR first the hard way. I've lost salmon in the DR cable, my pedals, buoy chains...
That’s the exact setup I have with the exception of a old town pdl 120. I also extend the arm out and away a little more from the boat but I have not thought of putting it so close to the kayak before and will try that the next time I am out. Thanks for the video! Please post more!
Sounds like a great rig! That kayak looks awesome.
Good eye on the angle of the downrigger arm. I broke the clutch on it, so it pretty much shoots back even if I try to set it out wide. You're right though, it puts less torque on the boat and I have an easy time going straight so I haven't bothered replacing it.
What ugly stick trolling road are you using for coho and chinook fishing?
And the length.
Good question! I'm extremely hard on my gear, which is why I use ugly stik almost exclusively. The main things I look for are
1. durable
2. slow action--you basically want the rod to do some of the fighting for you while you deal with your downrigger or whatever
3. long enough to deal with a flasher board+4' leader.
I buy other stuff sometimes and end up breaking it right away.
So, my current recommendations are:
-Rod: Ugly Stik BWDR620C832
-Reel: Okuma CW203. I used the 153 for a while but it got fried during the Edmonds coho derby. Slightly bigger would be better.
-Line: 30# braid main line, uni to uni knot to 40' of 25# mono, bead chain to your flasher board, 20# fluorocarbon from the flasher board to your spoon/hoochie/etc.
Hope to see you out there!
@@kayakfishingpnw Thank you for trolling Rod and reel recommendation! I check the ugly stick rod item number you mentioned here at the website. The rod they sell nowadays has yellow color not same as what you are using. Wondering if the item number is wrong or ugly stick no longer producing that black black rod like yours. Thanks!
It does look different. I think they just changed the color. As long as it’s an 8’3” downrigger rod, it’s probably their current version. It should be rated for 10-20 lb line. Mine is at least 2 years old.
*looks like it’s rated for 6-20 lb line.
Super cool! I have been wanting to try taking my kayak to the sound and look for Salmon but it’s a bit spooky to head out there alone with no experience
Thanks for the video! What’s your average trolling speed to keep the good action from the 11” flasher?
Depends on species. For coho I go between 3 and 4.5 mph if I'm going with the current. Against the current more like 2.5. If you go too fast you'll end up overwhelming your swivel and twisting your line. Chinook are much slower--typically between 1.5 and 3 mph. With chinook the lure needs to be near the bottom which isn't practical with a 4 lb ball at high speed.
What weight DR ball do you end up using? I also have a compass and been debating about getting the lake troller or 1050 so I cab use a heavier ball.
4 lb. That's the max for the Scotty Lake Troller.
It seems fine for Coho, but gets a little challenging for Chinook, especially if you are going against the current. Basically, that light ball gets picked up by the currents and gets pulled off the bottom. That's obviously fine for coho, but if you are trying to stay within a few feet of bottom for chinook, it pulls you out of range. I actually either stop occasionally and let the ball hit the bottom or let out down rigger line until hits bottom then either reel up a few turns or start going a little faster to bring it up. I find that I need about 150' of down rigger line out for 110' of water, for instance.
A heavier ball may be a good idea but be careful with the track system on the Mirage Compass. Mine seems to strain a little bit under the weight of the ball when I'm yanking it up as fast as I can with a fish on. You may want to consider upgrading to the H rail system if you want to use a heavier ball--especially if the DR itself has a longer arm. I'm probably upgrading this week because my left track is giving out from years of supporting a rod holder with salmon yanking on it.
@@kayakfishingpnw awesome thanks for the feedback. Hope to see you out in the sound in the future