Why Did Andrew Ryan Disable His Own Vita-Chamber in Bioshock? | (Spoiler Warning)
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- Welcome back my Rapture Family to another brand new Bioshock video. In today's video, we'll be asking the question of, "Why Was Andrew Ryan's Vita-Chamber Deactived" in his personal office. Let me know why you all think it was.
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It was so incredibly impactful, when I first noticed Ryan's deactivated Vita-Chamber.
Ryan let himself die, just to prove a point to Jack. To prove that Ryan was a man, and Jack a slave.
Ryan could have been resurrected by the chamber, but he chose not to.
He wanted to die, just to prove he was a man.
A dead one on top of it
Dying just to prove a point seems just a tad extreme, doesn't it?
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Building a city at the bottom of the sea just because you don't like paying taxes, seems a bit extreme, don't you think?
@@darkebuddha it wasn't just about taxes...
I think that was part of it, bigger parts would have been Rapture's failure (his life's work) and that his own son was the assassin. It was probably a teaching lesson to his son, proving whom Ryan was and whom Jack should be.
I would rather have died with my city than let what was left of it to be in the hands of Atlas. Who at the time, I suspected to be Fontaine. Moreover I wanted my city to die along with me. It was time to start elsewhere. All the blood of raptures veins were drained dry.
Very well put.
Hey um dad, some lady named Sofia Lamb took back your city though. But her daughter Eleanor told me that her father Mr. Bubbles took it back from her & destroyed it.
Andrew Ryan Always the selfish lying hypocrite... *screams about great chain and free will*
*Implements new laws and regulations* *Starts putting pheromones into the air to increase people's susceptibility to suggestion* *seizes control of a competitors business* *claims great chain will rectify itself then decides to apply direct intervention because Ryan decided "it's time to give it a tug"*
Well considering your here telling us this, I can only consider it to be a lie
Also, Frank fontaine if you are here, youre a life stealing joke!
My father never cared much for video games, yet when he saw this scene, he gave the most succinct answer to that question: “Shangri La is collapsing around him, why would he want to live?”
I assume the reason why Ryan let Jack kill him was to send a message to Jack showing him how much of a slave he is and the free will that he lacks. Andrew Ryan also probably thought that he pretty much lost Rapture to Atlas and Jack which is why he ultimately let Jack kill him.
its true but rapture is mine, and next the world will fear me.
I think it was a complex choice, both staying true to his ideals and encouraging Jack to be his own man-and his one selfless action, to set his son free from Fontaine's control.
Definitely. It's one of the most memorable moments out of the entire series as well.
I have two theories:
1. Andrew knew they were using his son and just was playing dumb to see if his son would overpower his mind control by atlas. He failed but maybe andrew thought it was better to be killed by his own blood, than a stranger.
2. Andrew realized jack got farther than anyone else who tried to kill him. So he's admitting defeat since for all he knows is jack earned his right to get that far. It's the foundation of his city. "You should be able to get the spoils of your hard work."
Smoked Out That line right there is in many respects the embodiment of the philosophy of objectivism that Ryan believed in so much that he was willing to give his life for. “You should be able to get the spoils of your hard work.” Fontaine/Atlas was to Ryan The embodiment of why he saw altruism as a scam. For instance, Fontaine pretended to care for the poor when in reality he had an ulterior motive in order to achieve more power, Atlas used the rhetoric of a revolutionary when he was just a gangster wanting to acquire more power, not unlike the origins of Joseph Stalin when I think about it. Like Stalin, Frank started out as a gangster that eventually began to wear the façade of a political revolutionary. And like Fontaine bringing rapture to ruin, Stalin also brought his society to ruin in a different way by making it even more totalitarian then it already was under Lenin which is really saying something.
@@thehedgehogsdilemma9478 “A man is entitled to the sweat of his brow.”
With regard to letting Jack kill him, Ryan knew he'd been beat. He knew Rapture had failed, and accepting defeat, he chose to go out on his own terms.
I can see that.
I don't even think he felt defeated by Atlas. He could have continued fighting and probably could have won now that he knew how to stop Jack.
He just didn't care anymore. What he built was ruined because human nature just wouldn't allow it. It didn't matter who it was specifically, Atlas or somebody else. One way or another, eventually, someone like Atlas would come and ruin everything. He understood that this was a guarantee. So for him, living in this world was not worth it anymore.
I have just recently finished the entire Bioshock collection and I have a theory about why Andrew Ryan activated the self destruction. He did it to force Atlas/Fontaine to use the phrase ‘Would you kindly’ more frequently to show Jack one other person whom he must kill next while telling him that he’s been manipulated the whole entire time.
Well, he does literally tell you.. A man chooses, a slave obeys.
Your character and his own, are both slaves in that moment. Andrew Ryan achieved his dream of Rapture. He also stood in it's ashes. He found the love of his life, then found out she lied, and later she ended up dead. Those are just from the game. The book also states how, frankly, he was getting old. He has to rely on a cane more and more, so it's upsetting his ideals to have to capitulate to biology.
Every way to Sunday, Andrew Ryan was done. He lived his dream until he saw it become a nightmare.
So he took his way out, trying to break the programming for both your life, and his. But it didn't work. Deep down he knew it wouldn't work.
What's one more body among the wreckage of Rapture?
Great video! I wish you could put all the sort ones in a playlist on your profile !
"A man chooses, a slave obeys." It's all wrapped up in that, Ryan would not be a victim of someone else's plan, but a player in his own right, to the end. Ryan knew he was going to die, but he chose it, while Jack could only obey. "A man chooses, a slave obeys."
There is so much to be said (and to ponder) about Ryan. The man spent years building his utopian city, years watching its people become deranged splicers, years fighting to maintain the purpose behind Rapture against those who opposed him and his ideals. It's blatant that he allowed Jack to kill him in order to show the difference man and slave, but looking deeper it may also be his last gasp at a morally proactive choice. We can assume that his murdering Jolene was a crime of passion, since she lied to and betrayed him with his enemies, but what we DON'T know is how he would have reacted if he had found out about her pregnancy before she sold the embryo. Not only was he deprived of his heir, he was also deprived of influencing Jack. Deprived of explaining his dream of Rapture, showing his errors to his son, and giving Jack the chance to correct the errors of the past. By the end of Bioshock, Rapture is mostly a lost cause. However it is important to keep in mind that Ryan and Jack have lost MANY years together. Not only that, but Jack is under mind control. So, it would seem, that Ryan's parting gift is the knowledge he imparts onto Jack. And what example is more vivid to show who the true enemy of Rapture is than by commanding your son to murder you and having you both know fully well that he will be forced to obey? It is the ultimate sacrifice and makes him a martyr, even though it may be in his own mind.
I think that sacrifice is too idealistic and impossible, not to mention useless
Well put sir
I think he wanted to save his son from being a slave. He knew that if he revived himself that Jack would see him as a villain and would remain Atlas's puppet.
I have a theory that all 3 protagonists are alternate versions of each other. In Bioshock Infinite, Elizabeth explains to Booker that there are alternate versions of everyone. The proof here is the Lutece twins. While Robert is the alternate version of Rosalind, Booker could be the alternate version of Jack. Because Booker could be Jack but with different memories. Eleanor could be an alternate version of Elizabeth (or vice Versa) because in both cases, they get isolated from the outside from their over protective parents. Delta could be a version of Jack that didn’t escape Rapture. We also have the parallels of Booker and Delta being investigators (at the start of Infinite, if you die you go to an investigator’s office that belongs to Booker). Delta was forced to serve as a Big Daddy after Stanley sold him out, Jack believed Atlas and Booker did it all to wipe away his dept. Booker and Delta also had their daughter’s forcibly taken from them (Delta was forced to shoot himself and Booker went tried to reach for Anna (Elizabeth) which resulted in Anna her pinky).
Sometimes I think he is alive in another universe the same like Columbia city in alternative universe where they live happy 😃
I hope not, since rapture >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Columbia
I asked you about that a few days ago and I'm just now finding this video wow I guess that answers it thank you
Andrew would not have left rapture even if he Couldn’t die. You know how he felt about life on land, for him it’s rapture or death. And he got to the point where he felt like rapture was lost, and so he made jack kill him.
My theory about why Ryan letting Jack kill him is a complicated situation. If you pick up the Arcadia audiologs, you'll know Ryan saw the Big Daddies and Little Sisters as abominations. Ryan Industries never created the BD/LS that was Fontaine Futuristics. Ryan built Rapture on the premise of true Autocrat Capitalism where he was the absolute Autocrat. Businesses ran under a CEO and Ryan was that CEO which meant he had controlling share of the city he built. Fontaine, a criminal and smuggler, capitalized on the immoral while Ryan capitalized on Business Ethics. Fontaine represented what a bad businessman would do to get a leg up on the competition (corporate espionage) where as Ryan firmly believes good business comes from compromise (such as a prenuptial agreement before sex so there isn't legal problems that could harm business in which the spouse take legal control of the business and leave the other with financial burden). Fontaine exploited the Adam Production in an Arms Race with Ryan who could only theorize how to provide a product. Fontaine recruited Tenebuam to make Adam and her invention made Fontaine very wealthy. Ryan, fearing his control on his city slipping out of his hands, wanted to remove his rival and seize Adam Production. Like any businessman will tell you, you have a monopoly on a popular product, you hold the power. The only way to keep customers coming is if they NEED your product and not WANT it. You depend on it for your survival, you will do anything to get it. Like a junkie. So Dr. Suchong made strides in the uses of Adam coupled with Tenebuam making Fontaine rich but not Ryan. Ryan knew Fontaine was a smuggler and deemed him the "parasite" so it was a Smear Campaign when you visit a vending machine or traveling indirectly targeting Fontaine and his "products". Andrew Ryan is a businessman with morals (abet poor ones) but he was flawed and made emotional decisions in a business which has the business statement "we will kidnap your kids to make the parents junkies to make us alot of money and power". Ryan tried stealing the Adam from Fontaine and like any rivalling company CEO naturally does is fight back. Fontaine is use to screwing over people like Ryan, whereas Ryan isn't a fighter nor a politician, he's a wealthy entrepreneur with a idealistic vision. What better way to hurt Ryan than target his family and his dream project of a Utopia? Turn it against him. When Andrew Ryan went to Arcadia and saw the BD/LS he simply watch them and was reminded that Fontaine would stoop to undermining him at every turn. If a man can turn a child into a monster and inhumanely torture people into doing what he wants, Ryan will have to get his hands dirty. Persephone facility was the first step to harvest Adam, the Wharf where Fontaine smuggled contraband in and out of Rapture was the second (where a audiologs stated a man being tortured by police won't give Fontaine up), seize control of the Big Daddies and then Apollo Square with the riots. Ryan planned everything but he didn't know about the Ace up Fontaine's sleeve. Fontaine sinks to the bottom of the trench with his followers and waits in exile until the Ace is in play to strike back. Andrew Ryan has made every logical decision that was pragmatic to hurt Fontaine but still paranoid that the man isn't done fighting, hordes the Adam and rallies Rapture to kill anyone suspected of working for him. The Stripper (Jack's mother) slept with Ryan and was pregnant with him. Because of the Prenuptial agreement meant she wasn't going to be able to support herself AND Jack so she did what she thought would save her and contacted Suchong and Fontaine. Intel Gathering and spies learns of Ryan's affairs and Fontaine plays the "long con". Instead of fighting Ryan in a direct flight which is what Ryan expects from soldiers and corporations, Fontaine fought to appear he was using a weak hand. Pretended tha he wasn't strong enough to win, convinced Ryan that he was victorious and give up the chase. Fontaine merely had to wait it out until Jack returned. When Jack came, Ryan had to learn who he was and why. Much to Ryan's dismay, it was his son. His son under the control of his nemesis, a slave. Ryan could have prevented it had he helped Jack's mother, but didn't. Ryan fought a clever opponent not knowing to what aim and how far he would go to hurt him. Ryan is a father, doesn't matter if he never raised him. Ryan raised Rapture and taught the people his vision and the children living there (Bioshock 2 amusement park). To him, the thought of children being amused by the dummies and lessons bewildered him. In the bar at the beginning of B2 when facing the Big Sister the audiologs of Ryan talking about Fontaine and Jack bothered him. He sees Rapture coming apart at the seams and he can't fix it. To come to terms that he has a child in a place like this, Ryan was lethargic and slow to move. Ryan's dream was circling the drain, his child was in the hands of a deranged psychopath, his supporters deserted him or went insane from Adam addiction, his business is tanking, the people are being slaughtered in the streets during a civil war. The war with Fontaine costed Ryan EVERYTHING he had and the inevietable end was drawing near. With the knowledge that Jack is in fact his son and brainwashed to serve him, Ryan plotted to lure Jack to him but delays him just long enough to learn Fontaine's secret hold over Jack. Why did Ryan go through all that effort to tell Jack about "Would You Kindly" if all he needed to know is who was Jack and why he wanted to be there? Unless .... Ryan wanted Jack to know, to make Jack realise that he wasn't in control and that this wasn't revenge for Atlas but revenge for Fontaine. To make Jack CHOOSE his fate, to rebel against Fontaine and make him WANT to kill him. Ryan knew Jack was capable of killing because all the cards were stacked against him and still won. If anyone could get to Fontaine, it would be Jack. But Jack was still under the impression that Atlas was his ally and Ryan was the obvious villian here. He didn't know! In Ryan's last act of defiance against Fontaine, he planted the idea that "Man Chooses, A Slave OBEYS" hoping that this would break Jack out of his brainwash and turn him against Fontaine. It worked because Jack knew Fontaine wasn't his ally, he was setup and lied to. When Tenebuam removed half the brainwashing, Jack soldiered onward through his own free will to free himself of Fontaine's control over him. When Jack was free, Fontaine got sentimental as if he had raised him as he stated in the ending. Fontaine used Ryan's son to kill him and take control of Rapture, how can a father kill his only son? How heartless does a man have to be to do such a thing? But that's what Fontaine wanted. But Ryan pulled the Reverse Uno card on Fontaine. Instead of Ryan being guilt triped into killing the son he never WANTED: Fontaine has to kill the son he NEEDED (see what I did there?) and so Ryan managed to get Jack to kill Fontaine. Along the way to defeating Fontaine and experiencing Free Will for the first time in his short adult life, he had a chance to CHOOSE. However briefly, Ryan's hope was that Jack got to make his choice and to see what Rapture was to him. Ryan's legacy was not the city but the idea of it as he stated in the intro bathesphere "the sweat of your brow doesn't belong to anyone, not God, not to the people, and the sweat of your brow CAN be yours" which means it was Jack's choice that mattered more than anything. If Ryan was alive to see Jack killing Fontaine, he would've been PROUD of his son because he was the embodiment of Free Will. A fiery rage of will that Ryan passed onto Jack. It was through Jack's own will that he would be free, Ryan's final act was a gift: Rapture (or in Jack's case: Free Will). I hope everyone likes my presentation 😁
Woah did you get into Harvard with that essay?
Fantastic
@@Kjf365 no ... It was for my driver's license.
@@LarpLord thank you :)
@@Waternar I'm a firm believer in games being thoroughly enjoyed. I get all META when I dissect stories and theorize things. Which why I love MASS EFFECT, the lore is RICH and this is sort of my hobby.
I just assumed he rather go out on his own terms I mean atlas had basically token over most of the facility his army was gone his followers were defeated
I can see that.
I think he chose to die because his entire worldview collapsed around him. He followed objectivism and created am industrious city not constrained by morality, with practically no government and complete free will for its inhabitants. This system allowed Fontain to chip away at its foundations until he was strong enough to mount an insurrection - at which point Ryan decided to act, when it was already too late. So he reacted and went from Ayn Rand to Joseph Stalin, paranoid and ruling with an iron first. When Jack arrived and he knew it was his son, he basically bet his life on his ideology - he bet that Jack's free will would win, and it didn't, then he didn't want to live anymore.
I think, not only did Ryan want to die with his city, I think he would have rather been killed by his own son than by ‘Atlas.’
civil war, unrest, drug addicts etc ... rapture was on the verge of destruction
realizing that, ryan didn't want to flee sneakily or to die slowly with his beloved city , sinking to the bottom of the ocean like a shattered dream
considering himself as a free man, he's chosen his own death , killed by the hand of his son, rather than giving this pleasure (and rapture) to atlas/fontaine or some kind of crazed splicers
Personally? I think Ryan was just tired. He saw his dream, his Rapture crumble around him. He'd lost McDonough, Diane, Jasmine-people that he did legitimately cared about. And maybe, just maybe, he wanted to leave Rapture but knew he couldn't until Jack came back. And watching his progress he probably decided that Jack could finish what he couldn't do to the last--kill Fontaine.
Andrew Ryan doesn't let Jack kill him, He orders to kill him to show to Jack that he is not a slave but a man. And to teach to Jack what's the definition of a man. He is dissapointed to his son, because Jack became what he hated most, a slave.
nice idea Eric about Andrew he wanted safe his son and make him escape from his own prison (i am belive so he wanted his son takes his city and fix some things)
About why Ryan told Jack to hill him with the phrase "If you kindly" has to do with being a man or slave. Ryan knew he was going to be killed, against his will he would die a slave but if he ordered Jack to kill him then he is CHOOSING to die, as a man. The fact Ryan made such a point of lecturing Jack about the differences between a man and a slave, this seemed like the logical reason.
There is also the audio diary abt the bathyspheres being tied to his genetic code, that was my first inkling that something fishy was going on. I like the bread crumbs in the game leading you to that point
He died to prove to jack that he was a puppet and he knew jack would kill him anyway so he wanted to die by his choice
"A man chooses a slave obeys"
Rapture was Ryan's great project, and the downfall of it probably killed him in a way he couldn't possibly explain. To see his great utopia that took every dollar and every bit of manpower he could give it fall as hard and steep as it did; It's citizens hooked on a drug so damaging and toxic it renders most feral. An entire civil war led by a man that opposes Ryan's ideologies so completely, twice over if you count Lamb. Worst yet creations like Jack or the Big Daddies, those almost completely without free will, the very driving force behind Rapture.
Its streets were lined with death and decay, its people sick and dying while simultaneously destroying all in their wake. Rapture was Ryan's dream, and when it died, so did he. Being able to teach his son a single lesson about being a man rather than the slavery you are born into is to me the most touching thing of all of it, even if the actual lesson is Ryan's face getting beaten in with a golf club.
God damn it I love this game
I don't believe he's dead. He seemed awfully positive throughout the first game that Rapture will thrive again and he didn't address anything, to my memory, about it's finality or that Rapture was too far gone in his opinion. That being the case, I don't see why he would randomly decide to commit a final suicide. Ryan knew Jack could kill Fontaine, but due to Jack's programming, the only way that his underlying coding (made by Fontaine) could be broken (and allow Tenenbaum to do what she did) was for Jack to complete his objective and kill the one person Jack was sent to kill. That being said; Ryan's a visionary and his whole beliefs are based upon illusion. I think that he probably resurrected himself somewhere else in Rapture to hide. In Bioshock 2, my theory is that he resurrected Delta to take out the rest of his dissenters, so he could come out of the shadows and rebuild Rapture, and in the new game, we'll possibly see a rebuilt Rapture in the Rapture-Verse.
But it was Eleanor that controlled a little sister that brought him back.
Andrew Ryan having his slave of an illegitimate son kill him when he planned to have Rapture self-destruct so it wouldn't end up in the hands of Atlas never made much sense to me; especially since Andrew Ryan knew how to control Jack. The more I thought about it; the more it simply became clear to me that it was simply done that way for the sake of the plot. After all; a man chooses, and a slave obeys. As a man; Ryan could have chose to die with his city, and as a slave; Jack would have been forced to just stand by and watch if ordered to by Ryan. Instead; Ryan let himself be killed by Jack and let Jack snag the key and disable the self-destruction of Rapture; thus allowing Rapture to fall into the hands of Atlas (a.k.a. Frank Fontaine, but I don't know if Ryan figured that part out yet). If Ryan would; as he stated; sooner see his city destroyed than to let it fall into the clutches of his enemies, then his action of letting Jack kill him makes no sense whatsoever.
Since he already set Rapture to self-destruct, I feel like that's like going down with the ship
Pride comes before a fall. Andrew Ryan was too prideful that his city wouldn't be torn asunder and arrogant in his beleif that the limitless freedoms that came with his utopia would not go unchallenged. He chose to die because he wanted to face the consequences of his actions as a man. His way of dying of a clear conscience in the fact that his city didn't die by a man, but to slaves who desired more than what they already had. Adam users, Fontaines corporate greed, all those material things made them slaves instead of liberating them. Andrew knew he failed in this regard so he accepted his punishment in full.
I think Andrew Ryan believed so much that an individual should not be a "slave" to anyone. He believed that so much that he was willing to put his life on the line to prove that and stand by his belief. Even if he were to die it was ultimately his choice.
When I first played bioshock as a kid, I missed so many audio diaries that I never had a clear view on the story. I thought the reason splicers never ended was because they were using vita chambers when I wasn't looking. Years later, after coming to understand the story, I was super confused why Andrew Ryan didn't revive, because even if his vita chamber turned off, there are many of them in rapture which he would have instead revived at. I personally feel as though the vita chamber being turned off was his way of tricking Fontaine into thinking he had died, since at the end his actions seem to conflict with his words so much.
Throughout the game, he is constantly talking of raptures revival, of how the downfall of his city was a temporary one that he would correct soon. I think he escaped and is working on something, but that's just my opinion.
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Ryan knew he had lost Rapture. What reason did he have to come back from the dead to the bleak hellhole Rapture had become? There was nothing left there but Splicers and ruin. As his final act, he tried snapping his genetic son out of being a slave.
I thought Ryan deactivated his Vita-Chamber because he wanted to face death with dignity
In the ending in which you go home with several of the children Andrew Ryan having his vita chamber active could have made an interesting plot point as you'd have technically done the job of wiping atlas out for him to retake his throne as ruler of rapture which would have made an interesting point to do with his slave or man speech. This would indicate after he'd figured out your existence he knew you'd be back as Atlas' puppet so formulated a plan under which you'd take out Atlas for him and fake his own death the same way Fontaine did.
Yeah, his death didn’t make a lot of sense when I played it. I, like you, didn’t fully understand why he just let himself be killed. I was hoping they’d go into it more but maybe that ended up being cut content or something.
He chose to die because the man chooses. He chooses death as a man. He also wanted to let Jack know that Jack is slave. Andrew Ryan knew that he lost Rapture and thought once he dies, Rapture would be destroy with the self destruction.
I don't think in Rhinebeck Steve dead cuz we remember he has Jack's jeans but you know how did Jackson respond and Ryan can respond in the other person who I don't remember the name moved to respond so it'll basically Immortal characters
I just got done playing that section for the 100th time and I just noticed something that gives me chills. the vita chambers use quantum entanglement to bring back jack. its something I glossed over but now it gives me chills jack is ryans son but what if is actually a clone of ryan and his DNA overrides Andrew ryans code preventing him from using the vita chamber. but whats more chilling is which jack are we playing as? the way the machine works implies alternate reality manipulation just like booker was bioshock infinite planned all along? because it adds up now
Holy shit. I've never thought of that.
If he did that would explain the park side name for the new bioshock game because that’s a place he stayed at
That's my point. Maybe they want to go a route like that.
My theory as to why Andrew Ryan let Jack kill him is that he was trying to break his son free from mind control by making Jack aware, but he progressively got more frustrated when he realized he couldn't free Jack.
I always figured the EMP bomb you used might have fried it with other electrical systems in rapture.
But afterwards, other Vita Chambers around Rapture are still working too.
I believe he didnt want to see atlas in control, he wanted to end it or see it all in his own name, just like you said :D
Is there a range to the vita chambers do they even need to be close to you to work?
Andrew Ryan probably wanted to go down with his city
I'm saying he was "educating" his son on the whole deal
Andrew did it to make a point about how jack was a slave and not really a man. Also I think Andrew saw rapture as himself the death of Andrew Ryan meant the death of rapture
No reason for Andrew live without his most beloved son (Rapture). And he didnt want to seek revenge against Frank, he knew the guy would fall in no time.
“My name is Atlas and I will keep you alive”
*Press X to doubt*
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Because a great chain cannot be made of paperclips and slicers.
I think he just knew his dream has been crushed by the very parasites he tryed to flee, rapture was to far gone and knew he was either going to be killed by jack or end it in a bang other than to give into Fontaine and jack was his only way to get some kind of revenge
I think that person like Andrew Ryan would do anything (in this case let jack to kill him) to just send a message And make ppl think and he successfully did that atleast for me.
It still doesn't make sense to me. Why would he willingly try to destroy Rapture, just to let you kill him and you gain the key to stop the self-destruct sequence?
I'm glad you were able to upload videos again.
Glad to be back.
Who thinks Rapture should be like the Elder Scrolls series where it’s one big story of Lore throughout time where we survive in Rapture? Races don’t need to be involved. Just one big pile of Lore on an Underwater City
He may have had it on a massive delay and got out while you fought Fontaine
I loved the ending of infinite and dlc. It was bit shocking and that’s why I like it. Gameplay on the other hand... especially fight with Lady Comstock so freakin annoying.
The Lady Comstock fight made me stop going for the 1999 Mode trophies on my first attempt... I know your pain.
TheBioshockHub not only you have to fight her over and over again.. the noise she was making just horrible lol
@@dirthamen I know right? Thankfully afterwards, someone told me about a Devil's Kiss method to almost instantly beat that fight. I need to try it next time.
@@TheBioshockHub Yep! I saw a video on it, tried it, and worked like a charm, except for the 3rd round before going to Comstock house.
You basically lay down around 10 Devils Kiss traps, clustered together where she will spawn, and then the biggest of booms happens. 😁Works even better if its fully upgraded. I love the smell of napalm in the morning!
Fighting a ghost with ballistic weapons.....three times. 😒
Ryan died because he had a choice. A man chooses, a slave obeys.
I think he used jack to kill him because he knew his time was over and he wanted jack to be free of the brain washing.
He turned off his vita chamber in order to die with his dream even tho his dream turned into a nightmare plus he didn’t want to fight back against his own flesh n blood
What would interest me much more would be the answer to the following question: Why does someone who firmly rejects altruism build an underwater city with a lot of money in order to offer talented people a platform there?
I wonder. Didn’t Fontaine know about the vita chambers?
If so what was the point in sending Jack to kill Ryan if he knew he’d simply come right back?
I feel like Bioshock sometimes may take it a little too far when it comes to incorporating it’s mechanics into the actual story, even if I DO love that sort of thing.
i think ryan's choice goes back to his belief in objectivism...his son became the emodiment of everything he was against, a puppet for someone esle's goals and desires....with his only son being a "slave" i think he ultimately gave up
I would rather be killed by my son than my enemy
Nice vid man hope you feel better
Thank you
That is interesting i never thought about that but there is a small question is there any kind of medic or someone who drags people into the vitachamber because I always wondered who dragged Jack or Delta into the vitachamber I can see one of Andrew Ryan followers dragging you in there with Delta thats a little difficult cause everyone was trying to kill him so idk about him but Ryan I think if he still had people following him around hiding somewhere that they dragged him back to the Vitachamber but I think thats a good question for the devs but thats the only theory I got as far as him being able to be revitalized.
I believe jack was dragged by the little aisters along with subject delta.
I think Ryan just wanted to die on his own terms. No Gods or Kings. Only Man. He lived by that, and he died by that.
It was at that moment after killing Ryan knowing you’re just a slave to Fontaine you can only go forward otherwise the only other way is to quit the game at that point.
Because a man chooses and a slave obeys.
Guilt maybe? Think about it, Andrew apparently wasn't very nice to the people who loved him. Then he also lost his son, to Frank, Yi, Bridgid & everyone else who was experimenting on Jack & who planned to use Jack to against Andrew, to hurt him for their own selfish agendas. That, coupled with that state of Rapture, would have probably been enough for him to take. Andrew maybe wanted peace, was maybe tired & sore, inside & out. Think about the sleepless nights he may have had, the walls he may have put up, keeping the people who loved him away from him, the loneliness he may have felt but was too proud to admit to & think about how much of his time he spent on running Rapture. Andrew may not have had any time for himself, let alone anyone else.
Dude that shit was too scary I couldn’t get through the damn game
do one on burial at sea !
Hope you’re doing okay man. We’re here if you need support.
I appreciate it.
I haven’t watched all the way through but I believe he gave up on rapture and realized the failure of it all
I also think Elizabeth’s interference was a good thing for rapture, what with all the little girls being kidnapped and turned into little sisters, all the junkies, the torture and experiments. She put an end to all of that, not instantly but made the process a lot quicker, without her rapture would’ve probably turned into another Columbia but worse
Andrew Ryan is the new "Socrates"
He you just did it because he choose to die, and jack just obeyed his order.
I haven’t watched the video yet but I think he did it on purpose. It was kinda just to make a point by letting Jack kill him
its of course a phylosophical question...
a man choses, a slave obeys
ryan puts the responsibility on the individual
he dies for his principles
games, movies and literature is not realistic... the hero and the antagonist act due to principles and die for them
self preservation is not their main goal
Maybe it was his last small victory he proved that he is more of man than his assasin
Not related to the video, but what are your thoughts on bioshock’s end game? I ask because I know some like it and others do not.
I enjoy it personally.
Great Video Mate
very interesting theorie
I believe that Andrew Ryan new but there was no other alternative path and that it had to happen and as for the Vitamin chamber being turned off I say he turned it off because that is the only one that he can be revived from and so knowing that Jack what did his revenge he wanted Jack to live on and his living Legacy of course he could just say would you kindly kill Atlas but I think he wanted him to get his revenge and by telling him to do that it wouldn't be Revenge
Ryan was a huge narcissist. Is it possible that he thought that since Jack was his blood, he would have the willpower to break the slave mentality?
Thanks for another great upload
Not a problem
Where was the destroyed vita chamber in the video ?
I was just thinking about this about a week ago after I finished game again
I like provoking thought.
personally i believe that ryan's death was a message to jack, seeing his son under the control of his greatest enemy must have really pissed him off and maybe he tried to set jack free by hoping that obeying a command such as murdering his own father would awaken something within jack and break fontaine's grasp over him.
I honestly thought that the vita chamber wasn't a real think in lore and was just there to give the player a reason to respawn after "getting stepped on by a big daddy" over and over again. Lol
Pretty much, but there's a whole backstory about the invention of it as well lol.
i think the vita chambers are a weak point in the series. andrew ryan is the only one that can use em, except for jack, but then you lose money when you revive...so ryan is paying himselff money everyime he revives...and im guessing the big daddy in bioshock 2 is related to ryan...honestly i dont see any problem with just having a regular old game over when you die...but i suppose theres some poetic point to be made about the inevitability of jack killing andrew...a force of nature that will show up at your doorstep no matter what. no matter how many times you die.
He chose to let you kill him becase a man chooses and a slave obeys
Andrew disabled the vitachambers because the game is too easy with them on.
But you can just save every 5 seconds. Its what let me beat the game on Survivor with no vita chambers ;)
I don't know why he let Jack kill him? I think he want it to die.
he forgot to turn on his vita chamber
How are you instantly having?
What do you mean?
The only reason i can think it might be to show him a point as he keep orderig him around like it was a slave he wants to how him that he haves a choise to be a slave or to be a man if he was going to come back the point was gone because it didnt make sens kill him then come back
I dont really know why
:o
He was controlled by fontain.
Well in this case, Ryan was the one that ordered Jack to obey him. But you're right about that for the majority of the game.
TheBioshockHub I mean it makes sense give that the “would you kindly?” Is fontains phrase not Ryan’s and I remember that fontain actually hurts the main character by not even touching him or draining the health upgrade. That’s the only explanation I can see. Or Ryan and fontain were secretly working together but I doubt Ryan wanted to get killed.
@@RedVenomProductions Remember the monologue? He said Would You Kindly quite a few times. And one of Suchong's audio diaries where he asks Jack to "snap that sweet puppy's neck, would you kindly".
TheBioshockHub exactly
TheBioshockHub I think fontain mind controls the mind controllers
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