IAME X30 - The kart engine to break Rotax's stranglehold in the UK? ALAN DOVE ON KARTS
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- For Karting1.co.uk Alan Dove track tests IAME's flagship 125cc TaG engine, the IAME X30, and discovers whether it has the potential to break Rotax's stranglehold on the UK market.
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I used to drive X30 but found the carburettors on X30 engines are awful. I now race in Rotax and I've been having much less problems with it. However, I do have to say that when we did have a problem with the X30 engine it was easy to find a solution while in Rotax it is difficult to find the issue due to how more complex they are. However, this complexity does mean that Rotax can run much smoother than X30.
I race the x30 shifter and i love the motor! It's unbelievable smooth and durable for a 2stroke motor developing the power it dose out of just 125cc
Rotax and X30 are the same, if you look at the time of some tracks! So you must drive, what is driving in your country, or local racing series!
this is awesome I want to see more Kart engine reviews from you!!
I know this is old news,but I was fortunate to get a tag cart and I love comparing it to racing moto GP...I love my Rotax Max motor and would never believe any thing could out do its sheer explosion of power that I love about driving it,but this is not a complaint,the X 30 is pretty serious,16000 rpm,I think my rotax is at 12600,I'm told I should be able to get 14000rpm and I'm working on jetting and carb adjustments to clean up the low as best as possible,but was already tipped off that it would be as good on the bottom as the x 30 so I got work to do just to get it best as I can I have done two races and surprisingly did better the first race I missed the weight balance my fault,and I need an alignment to take some negative camber out of the front it pushes way to long before it turn going into turns so that's really ruining my corner entrance so what's the point...and I should have put the weight more to the front I had to unfortunately add just over 14 pounds much to my dismay....and it really caused my cart to get left behind two laps into the 15 lap main I was a half a lap behind,and could not believe it,in my first race I was able to lead the two guys who finished 1st and 2nd,I really sabotaged my great handling cart and I used the wrong fuel too I don't think it could have been any more depressing,ah the joys of being a new racers gotta learn some how,add to this the X 30 just being easier to drive and twisting up to 16000 rpm I was dazed after the race I was so mad...thanks nice track u got there,I like that switch back under the bridge...sweet.piece
We have been running these for a while now in Oz and they are an excellent asset to the sport. On track tunable with no trays of jets or replaceable matting needed. The units have been very reliable with club racers often running out to 20 hrs, or more when running restricted. They are very consistently manufactured and are on the money straight out of the cardboard box from new. This has been proven both by the many State & National title holders who have used brand new engines and the very narrow groupings in qualifying times. This feature alone keeps more people in the sport by reducing the overpriced "golden engine" problem which plagued the 100cc classes.
Hi Don, just starting out on X30 junior here in the uk,,,,any improvement find around this engine package ,,,carbonation, pop offs, exhaust tuning etc etc….
Nice review! sounds amazing! I think the only reason Rotax is that successful other than reliability is the fact that people get to qualify to the world finals, which (im not sure if im wrong) IAME doesnt do...
I think it’s crazy how rotax is so big over in the UK in America at least where I am it’s all x30 mostly
Great vid! Please do more!
I'm Italian and I was impressed with my Birel cart,and I noticed iame is also a dirt bike company so they ain't new kids on the block,and that motorbike is a winner ,and Italian too...hear in the states mostly my Italians are good at arguing so I'm enjoying the change great motor ,great kart,thanks don't need to Bragg on it its killer engine if I had 3000 grand I would replace my old motor,but I don't so I'm gonna get it dialed back in and drive my ass off like always and go the hard road till I can a iame x 30...THANKS
I think the thumbnail of this video was used as the cover of "Learn how to master the art of kart driving"
yes.
@@AlanDoveKarting cool, I just found your channel - great content, cheers!!
this is right now probably my favourite kart video on youtube and I am sold on the x30 even in 2022 I will probably buy this engine with a brand new kosmic or ln kart chassis
Rotax is better nowadays after the Evo came out a few years ago, cheaper, faster and more powerful than x30
@@jameswinter6136 yes rotax is better in a few ways. But I do like the top end power and feeling of 16k/rpm over the rotax 12k/rpm with mid range power band (i realise this means more frequent rebuilds for x30 over rotax) also rotax max evo is more expensive upfront than x30, at least it is in australia.
@@jameswinter6136not cheaper and x30 a better class less difference between engines.
@@martinberg3970 Rotax purchase prices are a bit higher but they can go much longer between rebuilds than x30, 7-8 hours for x30 vs 18-19 hours for rotax without a significant performance drop, resulting in lower costs in the long term. As for difference between engines I don't know much about this for x30 but for rotax it is pretty marginal, there's about 1.2 hp between my race engine and practice engine on the dyno for instance.
@@jameswinter6136 i did 1 season on 1 engine rebuild qualifyed for the world finals with same engine was competitive theres a huge difference from race to practice engine on rotax. There isn't on the x30. Also more fun to drive the x30. The fact you have to get a engine tuned to be competitive in rotax makes it a bad class even more so for beginners that dont know this.
Realistically those with less mechanical aptitude will probably lean towards the Rotax, they will ask around the pits what jets everyone is using and hope they aren't getting dodgy advice or download an app and setup as best you can, and those old school drivers who enjoy tweaking the low and high jets on the fly may prefer the tunability of the X30 as they are able to wring every bit of torque out of it ultimately.
If the bottom end is more linear and stronger in the X30 then less teeth can be used to help your straight line speed.
Great engine to drive, in Australia they are really popular
Iame X30 the engine to break.
Is there any problem with the Rotax 'strangelhold' They're great little engines and make for great running without a lot of the hassle of older engines. They're a bit more expensive to run, sure, but they're still peanuts compared to running up into cars or even the likes of KZ2
It is a problem if you want to go karting, but don't want to race with Rotax. Having choice is always good in our opinon
+Matt Diffey
Thanks to different manufacturing styles, Rotax come out of the box with slight variations, which can lead for huge performance differences. See how in rotax grand finals, quarter of the drivers are out of the top running thanks to bad luck in kart lottery. IAME cylinders are CNC cut, not aluminium cast and that makes them perfect out of the box.
Sounds flat as a kipper bottom end. No PV?
come and do a re visit at pfi on a race weekend the x30 grids are growing. always more x30's now than rotax…..
My powerball 125cc is going to PFI next week for a tune up with a top tuner. That place is AWESOME, especially when you have a mate with contacts like that.
I drive x30 and there's no engine like it the top speed is great and I love the komet tyres and it pulls like a train
How long before each rebuilt are you seeing ?
IAME do offer an International Final event. They first established it in 2012 and recently held the 2013 event at Actua Circuit de Lyon, France. See: www.x30world.com/iame.international.final/
The only reason they are popular is because of Pfi as they import the large and engines in to make money. There has been significant drops in grids in the Rotax which is strange as they are so reliable and easy to work on. Rotax engines can also go about 20-25 hours without a rebuild, however the x30 engines go from about 4-6 hours making them extremely expensive to run and maintain.
And JAG haven't made large amounts of money? BRP are only in this game to 'make' money. Rotax engines are 'easy' to work on depending on what you consider to be 'easy'. To be competitive in Rotax, at its height, was an extremely complex process which involved massive investment in selecting and matching parts. The reason X30 worked was because it was enough like Rotax and enough not like Rotax to attract people in. The way the market works is extremely complex. Of course as a class gets popular and more competitive it will inherent the problems of the class it took over from. And the class that it took over from will now benefit from not being the main class and the afflictions that plagued it when it was popular will go. This is the circle of life.
Karting1.co.uk thanks for the reply I personally do prefer Rotax, however x30's are more powerful and in some cases easier to be competitive as you can rebuild the engines yourself, which is a good idea as they are harder revving engines and you don't have to send the engines in every 4-5 hours to stop it from blowing up as you can replace the parts yourself
You think rotax are reliable
@@hkfootball8048 dude..
This is exactly the same. On the X30 as on the rotax, the piston rings must change every 5 hours and the piston every 30 hours maximum. And I myself do the entire maintenance operations without encountering any difficulty ....
for you people who really know karting and been in it for a while, what do you prefer, rotax, or vortex (not the shifter vortex) where I'm located more people race vortex, but if you look up karting on the internet, rotax is definitely the one that pops up and seems to be more popular world wide. so as i said, rotate or vortex?????? please reply
Thomas Ruggiero go with what engine is more popular where you're located
Thomas Ruggiero the vortex is direct injected in contrast to rotax which is carbed, I prefer vortex
Thomas Ruggiero have u ever heard of a okj
Thomas Ruggiero I Prefer rotax its easier to drive!
Rumoured 4 hours between rebuilds certainly does not sound appealing to me vs. 20-25 in the Rotax. This aside, I don't think it's right to be annoyed at Rotax the reason it's so popular is that people keep buying them. Interesting video though.
i have friends who run at national level and can get 2 to 3 race weekends out of them easy
@@birelr30 i have a friend racing with these and he used 3 engines per raceweek
I use a IAME Dragon and it destroys the X30 on bottom, mid and top!! It all depends what ur local club will allow.
What are the differences between dragon and X30, i never about this engine in France?
Is this the only automatic engine available ?
2 stroke engine that is
Nah. Rotax Max, Vortex Rok...
@@marcobrancorsini2479 you forgot powerball, i have a 125cc, just bought 2nd hand mounted on a lightweight tonykart. Its virtually unused, 3yrs old, just needing a carb service after standing a while. Its going PFI international next week to be tweaked by a top kart tuner.
muy bueno le doy un 9
Rotax didnt become popular because of the world finals, the world finals were created after the engine was successful. in 1998/99 when it was introduced it was popular because the rotax goes 20hrs where 100cc does maybe 3hrs, also noise regs and health and sefety issues with bump start. If people start to realise how much more rewarding the X30 is and it takes off they will have a world finals, the demand has to be there before they are created.
Easykart is IAME and they have world finals, so now the engine is homologated they are sure to happen for the X30 class too.
Yeah but rotax is ruining karting imho. And even if easykart have world final. i know of nobody who races one. And you can only race in their series. And can't race any other kart as required by the regs.But i do hope X30 kills or seriously damages Rotax and not any other class such as TKM. But we really do need a new ICA class in the UK.
X30 has a class at kartmasters this year, and the grids are getting bigger. the old 100cc lot need to get into X30 because the power and drivability is very close to ICA / 100C / FA. Not quite the same because of the clutches and balance gears but way better than Rotax. 16,000 rpm is a good compromise for the longer running between rebuilds than 100cc. I persoanlly practice with 100s but have an X30 to do OEKC with in the future.
nicelittlerunner I think what the ABKC is considering may be even more to the old 100/ICA/FA people liking: cadet libre,junior libre,senior libre. All hypothetically to be run at club and national level. And senior libre has huge potential since you could run blues,X30'S,rotax and sudams all on the same grid.
sudams are faster than X30 or rotax, blues are slower than X30 and rotax. Why not just x30?The good thing with 100cc is they were all about the same performance and they were light racey engines, But the people who were at the front were the ones revving the absolute nuts off them. The over competitive people trying to get fastest equipment ruined the series by trying to outgun each other by spending more, and rebuilding them every race - the rich / engine sponsored always rise to the top. There is a hopeless viewpoint in 100cc racing where the fanatics are engine based instead of driving based, so they love competing on who revs their engines hardest - the whole point of racing is the fair racing, the engine is a tool but ends up being the main point which is arse about face. (unless everyone has the same budgets) I got fed up with seeing in drivers race trucks and seeing line ups of 12 engines, pistons at £80 each race, rods at £150 each race plus labour. I don't like starting races knowing my equipment is 1s per lap off. Health and safety won't let FA run without a starter motor and battery, and they were fastest / most reliable with radiator water cooled - so they would weigh about the same as X30 by that point. That's why I practice with 100s revving upto 17,000 - 18,000 but would get my arse kicked when someone revs theirs to 20,000.
nicelittlerunner The only problem with X30 is the same problem with rotax: they're both commercial classes and there are to many of those already. Even the ABKC admits this is a problem and we need a multi manufacturer class and also a proper replacement for ICA/FA since KF and KF clubman aren't it and 100cc non msa racing has took off this year. And a 125cc version of ICA/FA would be easy to create since maxter bmb,vortex and even talko could make a X30 or sudam style engine and thus revive peoples interest in karting.
Great video! What track is this?
PFi
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prolly cuz the video was made 8 years go
dont complain about a video thats almost a decade old
I race the x30 shifter and i love the motor! It's unbelievable smooth and durable for a 2stroke motor developing the power it dose out of just 125cc