yeah I did couple wheels my self. The one that im riding now I did them my self. I watched the video hoping that ill get some more tips form the PROs. It was hard for me to follow. Could be the language barrier. Ali Clarkson hat a great videos on doing wheels. Never had issues understanding him. But we are all different learning types. I understand that its impossible to make a video that will address all viewers that same.
Use the oil trick where you put a dab at the spoke threads. Sometimes the tension is fine, it's the friction at the threads that give you the impression you are over tightening.
The biggest problem I had is seized nipples. As I try to rotate the nipple, metal spokes get screwed and aluminum just break. A couple of years ago I broke a spoke and had to install and new one then true the wheel. In the process I broke most of the spokes that I tried to adjust and had to buy new ones, which cost me totally close to 100 Euro.
the trick with the zip tie was very helpful! Also I was able to sight along the brake pad on one side to remove side wobble. It was important to have my wheel true, because I was running it on an exercise roller frame. Thanks for the helpful hints, greatly appreciated!
Wheel building has a funny reputation because it's more difficult to learn than most maintenance jobs - people call it a dark art. But really it's just a skill like any other that can be learned. My advice is get an old wheel which you don't care about, take it apart and try to put it back together again. Your first attempt will be terrible, but it gets a lot easier surprisingly quickly.
yep, it doesn't help that they left some things out though. for example you can't ONLY adjust one spoke at a time, all that does is "walk" the issue around the rim. You have to work in opposites... the lateral opposites as well as the polar opposites... if you have a lump or a flat spot, but the tension is equal on both sides of the hub then you need to make half the change on one side, and the other half on the polar opposite side. (and really it's more involved than that because ALL of the spokes are attached to the hub, BUT this is the best way to think about it)
@@better.better I love truing my wheels. I find it relaxing and the best part is you can see the results petty fast with gives you the satisfaction of the job well done :)
It's all about relieving stress. You sit behind your truing stand for hours and then you have your stress relieved. And also you have insanely true wheel. Seriously it's like meditation.
You should do a few videos on how to dish the wheel, lace the wheel with the goal being after all the videos you can assemble a playlist on how to build a wheel
After building many wheelsets over the years, I've learned how to feel for spoke wind-up or the spoke twisting before it's adjusted at the nipple thread. Reverse rotation equal to the spoke wind-up for every nipple adjustment is very helpful to insure the spoke does not adjust on it's own during cyclical loading of riding on the wheel. Also, consistency around the wheel at small increments is important to manage stressing the wheel system. Great work and looking forward to the next wheel segment.
The tip about which way to turn the spoke from the position of standing behind the wheel is excellent. Passably straightened my wheels right up. Gonna still take them to the local shop for a more pro true-up, but I’ll definitely be practicing on some old Sun cr17 hoops I have. One thing to watch for is loctited spokes where the spokes just twist instead of tightening or slacking.
Interesting vid again Henry, but I think you summed it up at the end. Spoke tension is the key not perfectly true. I bash my wheels about regularly and to keep them going i check the tension regularly, as the backs are always slightly out after a battering if the odd spoke has loosened at all.
Really clear and useful vid H, espec about the stages to focus, tension, flats, lateral etc then repeat, and it GRADUALLY getting better all over, rather than trying to fully fix the one bit -always work on the worst bit until its not the worst. Wheels...softly, softly, catchy monkey. Awesome vid. Hope will be one fir lacing up too.
haha, it just takes some resolve. Personally, my advice is to practice on a wheel you aren't actively using. This way, you can take as long as you need, and you won't have to call off if work because it took longer than you thought. Set it up and start from scratch: if it's an old wheel, utilized just for teaching yourself, loosen all of the spokes, or, if the plan is to replace them all, you can use some cutters and just cut through them all to save time... and honestly, you shouldn't reuse old, stressed, spokes anyway. They might have crossed threads, nicks, and other hidden flaws.
I was getting an irritating pinging noise from my rear wheel on climbs when the drivetrain was under load. I kept thinking it was my BB or grit in the spokes. Once I got the Park Tool spoke tension meter I discovered the tension was all over the place on both front and rear. I took a few hours to sip beers and get the wheel to a nice even tension with
super thank you. before I move to other areas or finish I squishy the spokes like you did all the way round to unload any built up stress. just in case something adversely shifted.
Dish!!!! Thanks for the tip, I thought my new tires were too fat and rubbing on one side on corners. I had the tools.... did the “yob” we’ll see tomorrow :0)
Built wheel before and trued my own wheels for years. Trial and error mainly, first build I dished wheel the wrong way! What a plum. Wasn't actually that bad to get it back, eventually ended up with a mint wheel. Was tricky finding out the spoke lengths needed for a build as it is dependent on the hub flange diameter and the depth of the rim. Might be good to cover and actual build start to finish.
Thank you so much! Suggestions for a spoke tension meter? Quite a few options out there, figuring out best option for a home mechanic. I am proficient enough to true a wheel (now having to deal with a CX tubular w. internal nipples. Not the most straightforward job so want to do it right and avoid removing a glued tyre in the future!
Huh, I was taught (by an old guy in the neighborhood) that you just kinda bend the spokes until its mostly true. I "fixed" quite a few bikes that way. Guess I should go practice the real method on my own bike now >.>
I know how to build wheels in the easiest way ever. You just walk your bike shop with a big bag of cash, then you walk out of there with an empty bag and a brand new carbon wheelset, super smooth
Mountain Bike Addict I personally go for as much carbon on my bike as possible. I’m one of those guys that has a super light bike for Enduro racing/all mountain, and a not so light trail bike.
I was of the understanding that for every few adjustments to spoke tension, you should take the wheel out of the stand and apply weight to it on both sides. Is this actually necessary/useful?
In America I was told it is counter clock wise is tighten and to loosen clock wise is this not true. Do you need to loosen on one side and tighten on the other or just loosen or just tighten.
Naa I learn how to do it sides but it got egg shape so bicouse I have no stand on my bike forks so its really hard to do it so I take to the bike shop but I won't give up and will get stand later! Bicouse in long term it would by really money saving and beneficial to learn this!
It would have been a lot more helpful to take a wheel that was out of true and demonstrating the process. After 15 min of talking I still had no grasp on how fiddly the job actually is.
I have a double wall rim that suffered a bad crash. It’s only 11mm out at most. But it goes left right left right. I’ve tried truing from the spoke tension alone but to no avail. Could I loosen all spokes, not till they’re out but very loose, and use pieces of wood and clamp the rim to straighten it. Then lace it back up
Can I just write down the spoke tension of each spoke on a new wheel and use those values to tension to when wheel goes out of true or I break a spoke?
Henry, can you address stress relieving wheels? I've built several pairs of wheels and found bedding in spokes and stress relieving to be essential to get a wheel that stays strong and true. Any tips? I block up the hub and press the rims down on mine as well as bending the spokes into the hubs, are there any better methods?
Tension seems to be where you place your importance, but I don't think how to get proper tension was explained well enough. The proper tool way nor the without tool way.
#askgmbntech is there additional things to consider if you are building a Fat Bike Wheel or to take into consideration if you are building a wheel for a very heavy rider? 385 lbs of rider right here!
#askgmbntech Would it be a good idea to use my frame/fork as a reference and tape a piece of chalk to it (or on an Allen key, then tape this to the frame/fork itself) so it marks the rim where exactly it is out of shape? - Best wishes and keep up the good work!
Hey, Im from Brazil and im thinking about upgrade my 2015 a1 Pike to debonair and charger 2 damper. Question is: the service kits remains the same? Thx
This seems like less of a wheel true and more of a laced up and tensioning perspective. When trueing I would care less about tension, but not ignore it completely. I would concentrate on getting the rim straight. The thing is when bringing a rim back into true as most viewers will be looking to achieve these rules somewhat go out the window.
When I sit up and take my hands off the bars, the bike wants to turn unless I lean it to one side. What is making that happen? Maybe I'll ask this one on a #askgmbn
P. Griffith if your bike is like my commuter it could be the dish of your wheels. Mine are slightly to the right and as such I can’t ride no hands for a long period of time. Hope this helps
@@watsonthedog264 I figured it was the dish, I can almost see it's off. But I only have a couple lateral fixes under my belt so I'm not up to the dish correction of my only bike.
I've understood the process to get the rim straight, but my problem isn't addressed here, perhaps someone here can help me as to a process to make the wheel go in a circle instead of an elongated loop. I know it's something to do with the spokes as well but I'm unsure of the best way to tackle it. Thanks
You know how need a car when your not gonna be going on 1h drives to your work just use bike more easy to clean and maintain better then paying $40k-$60k lol Ik bikes are 10k like that’s realy expensive bike for me I’m gonna own a YT Comp comes around $4,649 or better to have E-bike lol less work more POWERRR😂
I have a £400 mountain bike hard tail looking to convert it to e bike conversion bafang 750watt motor get better brakes new brake levers 12 speed cassette and hub to replace on my xc wheels go tubeless on it and ceramic bearings on the wheels so I turn a £400 bike into a £1500k brand new bike lol since I have to repaint the frame I am going with midnight blue black pearl spray paint and 2k clear coat Montana primer and lots of sand paper to smooth it all out turn a 15kg bike to 18kg bike with some weight savings here and there don't plan to go carbon fiber its a commute bike for carrying things like pannier bag
Very confusing. It look more Like a park tool commercial. What’s a flat spot, lateral true, you can do that you can to this bit it’s not systematic. We’ll get it with time?! What that even mean?! How do we know if we are going in the right direction?!
Hey Nedyalko, Park Tool supply the channel with tools for our workshop. As Henry explains you don't need a fancy work shop to do this but we strongly suggest a good spoke key! A flat spot is where the rim has become ovalized. Trueing and building wheels is pretty advanced so we suggest that you use your local bike shop if you do not feel comfortable with trying this yourself.
I love these GMBN tech videos! Great teachers ! I’ve got a new channel I’ve been working on/ So.dirt.e productions. We have a new video just posted . Come check us out! Action sports and outdoors. Thx guys!
here's the thing: what nobody ever mentions is, you can't only tighten one spoke and hope to correct it unless the rest of the spokes are already "true". Tightening one spoke doesn't only tighten one, because that one spoke is pulling on the entire hub, which is, big surprise, attached to allllll the other spokes. The hard part is wrapping your brain around which other spokes to also adjust, and not losing track of it when you turn the wheel to adjust it.
Have you tried to true your wheels? Let us know 👇
yeah I did couple wheels my self. The one that im riding now I did them my self. I watched the video hoping that ill get some more tips form the PROs. It was hard for me to follow. Could be the language barrier. Ali Clarkson hat a great videos on doing wheels. Never had issues understanding him. But we are all different learning types. I understand that its impossible to make a video that will address all viewers that same.
GMBN Tech I have before and my concern is always over tightening the nipples so the tensions across the wheel are too much?
Use the oil trick where you put a dab at the spoke threads. Sometimes the tension is fine, it's the friction at the threads that give you the impression you are over tightening.
The biggest problem I had is seized nipples. As I try to rotate the nipple, metal spokes get screwed and aluminum just break. A couple of years ago I broke a spoke and had to install and new one then true the wheel. In the process I broke most of the spokes that I tried to adjust and had to buy new ones, which cost me totally close to 100 Euro.
the trick with the zip tie was very helpful! Also I was able to sight along the brake pad on one side to remove side wobble. It was important to have my wheel true, because I was running it on an exercise roller frame. Thanks for the helpful hints, greatly appreciated!
Wheel building has a funny reputation because it's more difficult to learn than most maintenance jobs - people call it a dark art. But really it's just a skill like any other that can be learned. My advice is get an old wheel which you don't care about, take it apart and try to put it back together again. Your first attempt will be terrible, but it gets a lot easier surprisingly quickly.
yep, it doesn't help that they left some things out though. for example you can't ONLY adjust one spoke at a time, all that does is "walk" the issue around the rim. You have to work in opposites... the lateral opposites as well as the polar opposites... if you have a lump or a flat spot, but the tension is equal on both sides of the hub then you need to make half the change on one side, and the other half on the polar opposite side. (and really it's more involved than that because ALL of the spokes are attached to the hub, BUT this is the best way to think about it)
@@better.better I love truing my wheels. I find it relaxing and the best part is you can see the results petty fast with gives you the satisfaction of the job well done :)
It is really hard, try to learn your wife doing it.
Couldn’t agree more
It's all about relieving stress.
You sit behind your truing stand for hours and then you have your stress relieved. And also you have insanely true wheel.
Seriously it's like meditation.
unless you fuck it up like me
then it makes quadriple the stress
You should do a few videos on how to dish the wheel, lace the wheel with the goal being after all the videos you can assemble a playlist on how to build a wheel
Absolutely agreed to your point. And balance tensions across spokes is the way to go.
"decreasing return" is exactly right. But if you have a bit of OCD (like me), it's actually kind of fun.
Man, always love when Henry breaks things down.. maaaad detailed... like a frickn' Doctor!
After building many wheelsets over the years, I've learned how to feel for spoke wind-up or the spoke twisting before it's adjusted at the nipple thread. Reverse rotation equal to the spoke wind-up for every nipple adjustment is very helpful to insure the spoke does not adjust on it's own during cyclical loading of riding on the wheel. Also, consistency around the wheel at small increments is important to manage stressing the wheel system. Great work and looking forward to the next wheel segment.
The tip about which way to turn the spoke from the position of standing behind the wheel is excellent. Passably straightened my wheels right up. Gonna still take them to the local shop for a more pro true-up, but I’ll definitely be practicing on some old Sun cr17 hoops I have. One thing to watch for is loctited spokes where the spokes just twist instead of tightening or slacking.
Great channel
Top presenter
Ta for the information
Interesting vid again Henry, but I think you summed it up at the end. Spoke tension is the key not perfectly true. I bash my wheels about regularly and to keep them going i check the tension regularly, as the backs are always slightly out after a battering if the odd spoke has loosened at all.
Really clear and useful vid H, espec about the stages to focus, tension, flats, lateral etc then repeat, and it GRADUALLY getting better all over, rather than trying to fully fix the one bit -always work on the worst bit until its not the worst.
Wheels...softly, softly, catchy monkey.
Awesome vid. Hope will be one fir lacing up too.
What I learned from this video: take me wheels to the LBS for truing.
What I learned is, if your nipples are hard to turn, use some lube.
haha, it just takes some resolve. Personally, my advice is to practice on a wheel you aren't actively using. This way, you can take as long as you need, and you won't have to call off if work because it took longer than you thought. Set it up and start from scratch: if it's an old wheel, utilized just for teaching yourself, loosen all of the spokes, or, if the plan is to replace them all, you can use some cutters and just cut through them all to save time... and honestly, you shouldn't reuse old, stressed, spokes anyway. They might have crossed threads, nicks, and other hidden flaws.
I was getting an irritating pinging noise from my rear wheel on climbs when the drivetrain was under load. I kept thinking it was my BB or grit in the spokes. Once I got the Park Tool spoke tension meter I discovered the tension was all over the place on both front and rear. I took a few hours to sip beers and get the wheel to a nice even tension with
super thank you. before I move to other areas or finish I squishy the spokes like you did all the way round to unload any built up stress. just in case something adversely shifted.
Well explained Henry.
Dish!!!! Thanks for the tip, I thought my new tires were too fat and rubbing on one side on corners. I had the tools.... did the “yob” we’ll see tomorrow :0)
Built wheel before and trued my own wheels for years. Trial and error mainly, first build I dished wheel the wrong way! What a plum. Wasn't actually that bad to get it back, eventually ended up with a mint wheel. Was tricky finding out the spoke lengths needed for a build as it is dependent on the hub flange diameter and the depth of the rim. Might be good to cover and actual build start to finish.
Great tips! My next wheel true will be that less mysterious. I like these detailed discussions.
i was looking for this for ages
Hope it can help 😀
Thank you so much! Suggestions for a spoke tension meter? Quite a few options out there, figuring out best option for a home mechanic.
I am proficient enough to true a wheel (now having to deal with a CX tubular w. internal nipples. Not the most straightforward job so want to do it right and avoid removing a glued tyre in the future!
Goes to same witchcraft section with getting perfect rear gear changes. You know perfectly what to do, but in the end it's mostly luck :D
Yeah, I had to spend like 4 hours trying to get my shifting to work after my local bike shop "set it up for me".
@@yukelss Especially 1x12 Eagle. It can be up to 1mm to get it perfect.
@@yukelss same
@@yukelss It was maybe just a bit of cable stretch. Hope you got it sorted 👍
@@RealMTBAddict Always do the adjustment on the fly while riding.
Purchase Roger Musson's wheelbuilding book and you'll be golden! anyone can do it.
You guys should do a wheel build video for j bend and straight pull wheels.
Huh, I was taught (by an old guy in the neighborhood) that you just kinda bend the spokes until its mostly true.
I "fixed" quite a few bikes that way.
Guess I should go practice the real method on my own bike now >.>
I just bought the shop 2.2 with gauges and rotor true gauges too ! PARK TOOLS RULES !
I know how to build wheels in the easiest way ever. You just walk your bike shop with a big bag of cash, then you walk out of there with an empty bag and a brand new carbon wheelset, super smooth
Mountain Bike Addict I personally go for as much carbon on my bike as possible. I’m one of those guys that has a super light bike for Enduro racing/all mountain, and a not so light trail bike.
I like to do a max of 4 spokes then spin to check see if the problem are has shifted. Repeat until its straight
i've been waiting for this video for a long time. thank you heaps
I was of the understanding that for every few adjustments to spoke tension, you should take the wheel out of the stand and apply weight to it on both sides. Is this actually necessary/useful?
Thanks dude I needed it as my both wheels are tacoed
Good luck truing a tacoed wheel
Yeah, that’s gonna be hard.
awesome video but can we get one with how to do it without the stand.
In America I was told it is counter clock wise is tighten and to loosen clock wise is this not true. Do you need to loosen on one side and tighten on the other or just loosen or just tighten.
3 h already after some mistakes feel like giving up but still have hope I will do it!
How'd it go?
Naa I learn how to do it sides but it got egg shape so bicouse I have no stand on my bike forks so its really hard to do it so I take to the bike shop but I won't give up and will get stand later! Bicouse in long term it would by really money saving and beneficial to learn this!
It would have been a lot more helpful to take a wheel that was out of true and demonstrating the process. After 15 min of talking I still had no grasp on how fiddly the job actually is.
Thanks for this!
Great video , has inspired me to give it a god
Great video. Thanks.
I have a double wall rim that suffered a bad crash. It’s only 11mm out at most. But it goes left right left right. I’ve tried truing from the spoke tension alone but to no avail. Could I loosen all spokes, not till they’re out but very loose, and use pieces of wood and clamp the rim to straighten it. Then lace it back up
Can I just write down the spoke tension of each spoke on a new wheel and use those values to tension to when wheel goes out of true or I break a spoke?
Henry, can you address stress relieving wheels? I've built several pairs of wheels and found bedding in spokes and stress relieving to be essential to get a wheel that stays strong and true. Any tips? I block up the hub and press the rims down on mine as well as bending the spokes into the hubs, are there any better methods?
like a wheel terminator "i'll be back" to watch and dial this skill
Teehee Nipples! 🤭
Great video guys, some great detail and really clear. Thanks 👍
What about flat spots or rock dings.. I used a hammer to bash the profile of the rim onto shape
Tension seems to be where you place your importance, but I don't think how to get proper tension was explained well enough. The proper tool way nor the without tool way.
I have used your videos for servicing my suspension I don't think I could true a wheel after that video maybe it's to much for short RUclips video
I may of use pliers for the spokes
How do you true wheels with decals on them? Don't want to take them off either.
#askgmbntech is there additional things to consider if you are building a Fat Bike Wheel or to take into consideration if you are building a wheel for a very heavy rider? 385 lbs of rider right here!
#askgmbntech Would it be a good idea to use my frame/fork as a reference and tape a piece of chalk to it (or on an Allen key, then tape this to the frame/fork itself) so it marks the rim where exactly it is out of shape? - Best wishes and keep up the good work!
My wheels. Look like a split washer where they go around the full way going to the left and then quickly jump 5 mm to the right
yes skill show!
Hey, Im from Brazil and im thinking about upgrade my 2015 a1 Pike to debonair and charger 2 damper. Question is: the service kits remains the same? Thx
I respect this guy...just can't listen to him talking, I get sleepy
So OCD is a wheel truers friend?
Filthy talk 🤣 awesome video 👌
Whoop!!
This seems like less of a wheel true and more of a laced up and tensioning perspective. When trueing I would care less about tension, but not ignore it completely. I would concentrate on getting the rim straight.
The thing is when bringing a rim back into true as most viewers will be looking to achieve these rules somewhat go out the window.
When I sit up and take my hands off the bars, the bike wants to turn unless I lean it to one side. What is making that happen? Maybe I'll ask this one on a #askgmbn
P. Griffith if your bike is like my commuter it could be the dish of your wheels. Mine are slightly to the right and as such I can’t ride no hands for a long period of time. Hope this helps
@@watsonthedog264 I figured it was the dish, I can almost see it's off. But I only have a couple lateral fixes under my belt so I'm not up to the dish correction of my only bike.
How to "align" bike wheel
how to fix a derailleur hanger that is integrated in the frame #askGMBNtech
nadeem javed with a “deralliur hanger alignment gauge “
Good info Henry. Just taken my bike in for new nipples 😀
I've understood the process to get the rim straight, but my problem isn't addressed here, perhaps someone here can help me as to a process to make the wheel go in a circle instead of an elongated loop. I know it's something to do with the spokes as well but I'm unsure of the best way to tackle it. Thanks
This is more to promote parktool equipment
What bugs me the most about these videos, is they have tools all anally hanging up. No one has a shop like that.
4th
You know how need a car when your not gonna be going on 1h drives to your work just use bike more easy to clean and maintain better then paying $40k-$60k lol Ik bikes are 10k like that’s realy expensive bike for me I’m gonna own a YT Comp comes around $4,649 or better to have E-bike lol less work more POWERRR😂
I have a £400 mountain bike hard tail looking to convert it to e bike conversion bafang 750watt motor get better brakes new brake levers 12 speed cassette and hub to replace on my xc wheels go tubeless on it and ceramic bearings on the wheels so I turn a £400 bike into a £1500k brand new bike lol since I have to repaint the frame I am going with midnight blue black pearl spray paint and 2k clear coat Montana primer and lots of sand paper to smooth it all out turn a 15kg bike to 18kg bike with some weight savings here and there don't plan to go carbon fiber its a commute bike for carrying things like pannier bag
HA! He said hard nipples!
dark art, pish posh....
He has something in his nose.
You lost me at "nipple", this is one job for the bike shop
5:25 I don't like this camera angle, it reminds me of a low-budget toothpaste advertisement.
just get yourself some super strong wheels and forget about it
You only work on one part, until no longer is the worst part.
Seems what my girlfriend is doing with me...
Very confusing. It look more
Like a park tool commercial. What’s a flat spot, lateral true, you can do that you can to this bit it’s not systematic. We’ll get it with time?! What that even mean?! How do we know if we are going in the right direction?!
Hey Nedyalko, Park Tool supply the channel with tools for our workshop. As Henry explains you don't need a fancy work shop to do this but we strongly suggest a good spoke key! A flat spot is where the rim has become ovalized. Trueing and building wheels is pretty advanced so we suggest that you use your local bike shop if you do not feel comfortable with trying this yourself.
If that was very confusing to you is because you need to send your wheels to your LBS.
I love these GMBN tech videos!
Great teachers ! I’ve got a new channel I’ve been working on/
So.dirt.e productions.
We have a new video just posted . Come check us out! Action sports and outdoors. Thx guys!
First
No you write the first comment.
And win nothing absolutely nothing
I have NEVER seen a good lesson for building or truing a wheel.
Still haven't.
here's the thing: what nobody ever mentions is, you can't only tighten one spoke and hope to correct it unless the rest of the spokes are already "true". Tightening one spoke doesn't only tighten one, because that one spoke is pulling on the entire hub, which is, big surprise, attached to allllll the other spokes. The hard part is wrapping your brain around which other spokes to also adjust, and not losing track of it when you turn the wheel to adjust it.
well, that's about as clear as looking through frosted glass
Need a russian translate , or subscribes (((
There are video translating websites you could try using (lookup votch.tv or try another one)
Not really helpful one of the worst gmbn videos I have seen sorry guys needs work
Yo where is doddy this man is so boring