@AI Addict Waymo has expanded to way more places than just Chandler. They now have fully driverless robotaxis in the majority of SF as well as all of downtown Phoenix, including the Phoenix airport. They are just not charging money for the driverless rides in SF yet like Cruise is. They also recently announced that they plan to expand fully driverless to LA next. So Waymo has expanded fully driverless robotaxis to multiple areas, beyond Chandler.
They specifically said paid service, though. Waymo only charges fares in the Chandler service area, not downtown Phoenix. I agree it's a fine line to draw. Speaking of fine lines, Waymo's beta SF taxi service is NOT driverless. The videos they post are all from employee test rides, not "Trusted Testers". And they don't actually serve the busy Phoenix airport, but the SkyTrain depot on a nearby property (you take a short train ride to reach the airport itself). And the SkyTrain depot service uses safety drivers, so not yet driverless.
@@TheDoggydogworld Correct. The SF service for the "trusted riders" is not driverless yet but employees can do driverless. CA requires a special permit to charge a fare for driverless rides, different from the permit to test driverless. For some reason, CA regulators have not yet granted Waymo the permit to charge money for driverless even though they can do driverless for employees. It is a weird regulation IMO. If you have a permit to do driverless why would you need a separate permit just to charge money for the same thing? The SkyTrain services the airport so I count that as the airport. Waymo does say they plan to remove the safety driver for the ride-hailing to the SkyTrain in "coming weeks". So I suspect it will probably be driverless by the end of this year.
San Francisco says that as GM started deploying its fleet of driverless Chevrolet Bolts on city streets, the 911 calls started racking up. In late May 2022, city officials started noticing an uptick in calls related to Cruise vehicles. City police officers started noticing disabled autonomous vehicles sitting, blocking travel lanes. Emergency callers reported Cruise vehicles driving erratically, in one instance signaling in one direction but heading in another, or parking themselves in front of transit vehicles. And then the backups started. “The most common complaint to 9-1-1 [regarding Cruise vehicles] has been about Cruise AVs blocking travel lanes for extended periods causing traffic backups,” the city said. “In some cases, callers reported evasive maneuvers by others such as driving on a sidewalk to get around the blockage.” But it’s not just because one Cruise vehicle is stopping the middle of the road. It can be many of them, all at once. Thirteen Cruise robotaxis stopped simultaneously on a major arterial street in June, the city said. Two more “large group incidents” were reported to San Francisco in August. Cruise declined to comment on the claims of “group incidents” involving its vehicles. A full third of the 28 emergency calls related to Cruise vehicles placed between May 28 and Sept. 5 “involved multiple non-operational Cruise AVs and affected multiple travel lanes.” Though the city said it lacks reliable data on the number of incidents, they can last hours.
Remember that these cars are equipped with high precision lidars, and GPS sensors. Also they only drive in areas that have a high precision map that needs to be generated before the car can drive that. The speed bumps are probably not detected by the car but read from the map data. It’s a totally different setup to what Tesla is doing. Their cars are training for any road and situation in the entire world. It’s much harder to do than these robots taxis.
I do know that Cruise relies on pre mapped data but I do not know enough to comment on how exactly it works. My best guess is that the vehicle is doing a little of both.
Very nice! But how is this system working that it is so much better, what are the technical differences compared to Tesla. Is it having an extremely detailled map? Or could it go in any town? But Tesla struggles with complicated traffic situations we haven't seen here. How would this taxi behave, if a big semi would want to back up into a drive way or parking spot and needs space, if a garbage truck blocks the road, if the street gets too narrow for 2 cars, if road is closed because of construction with not super clear barriers or confusing cones, if other vehicles don't give you space to merge into a lane for turning at the next junction, if an unprotected left gets confusing because the gap is getting too small because of suddenly accelerating cross traffic etc. Would the car run a cat?
It sounds you didn't decide on the exact route yourself? Which is imo a prerequisite to a good test when you throw something guaranteed to be new at the system..?
@@AIAddict Honestly I'm confused about several things in the video, it stays unclear which parts are spontaneous use and which parts are controlled by RideShare.
Agreed, your commentary is good however. Would be great to see the road ahead more than 10 feet in front. Can't see stop signs, traffic lights, peds or other oncoming cars.
I agree the view it horrible, it was the best I could do given the 4 minute timer I had to start the ride. On my 2nd ride I re-adjust the camera for a better view. You will see that upload soon.
Seemed to be a whole lot of comparisons to Tesla, with what seemed to me like derogatory undertones referencing discreet EVents, all of course from the past, so maybe they aren't as poignant as the narrator things, given the moving target that Level 5 or Artificial General Intelligence of Vision is. With that said, thanks for sharing and look forward to seeing more of any product offering in this category.
I believe they use detailed maps for basic computation and then do calculation in car for everything else, but I cannot say for sure. There were multiple scenarios where there were people or cars in our way. In these situations, the car handled everything perfectly. If it relied solely on maps then that would not have happened
@@AIAddict Good point! I believe they have to calculate for dynamic situations, i.e. cars, pedestrians etc. However, road construction may involve bigger "less dynamic" changes, such as number of lanes, road block, detour ... I wonder if those are handled by real-time computation or require updates of map data.
It uses HD mapping and off board route planning. The route is sent to the car and it sticks to that predetermined route. If it gets stuck it just stops and puts its hazard lights on. It’s great to use in small towns if you put the effort in , but level 5 fsd is Tesla’s dream where the car can go anywhere in the world without any other input.
@@paulmeynell8866 Yes, I think Tesla’s effort toward level 5 is the way to go. It is a long-term global solution. In contrast, approaches with dependency on HD map are not only limited in space, but also limited in time. Map data can get outdated and need constant updates for self-driving to continue working.
@@hshing I think there may be no point in pursuing level 5 autonomy. If you're going to have a car that can handle literally every situation a human can handle, it actually needs to be as smart as a human. And if you can invent an AI capable of that, self-driving cars are just one tiny application for it. Your AI might create self-driving cars for you. 🙂Experts generally expect we're a long way away from artificial general intelligence. But for those working on it, there are likely better domains to start with where data collection and variation is simpler. My guess is that race will be won, if in fact it is won, by a company dedicated to AI research, and not one that's tied to a particular product domain. Keep in mind that Elon Musk and Tesla have backed off their claims to be pursuing Level 5. They now claim Level 4 in their public statements, though in their statements to regulators, they assure that FSD City Streets in its final release form will still be Level 2.
We do make 2 left turns in the video, however, I noticed it does weight right turns heavier than left turns. The AV specialist with me explained it’s often for time saving
Because it’s Level 4 that’s how. Level 4 definition: “No human interaction required” The key difference between level 3 and level 4 automation is that level 4 vehicles are able to intervene themselves if things go wrong or there is a system failure. Tesla is still struggling to solve Level 2+ everywhere. At least Cruise achieved Level 4 in a controlled city. They claim to have the ability to expand to new cities in approximately 90 days if needed
@@AIAddict it s pre-mapped. tesla goes everywhere. and it is on battery and they do not have the ability to change the hardware. it is no big achievement by cruise.
@@niederrheiner8468 yes, i know: they need lidar :)). tesla made 100 miles in sf, with no human takeover. tesla works everywhere, no lidar, just cameras. and it s on batteries, no way to improve the hardware, no pre map. that s performance
@@dancar2537 You can not let a Tesla drive alone in the inner city. What they would need to make their system work is a breakthrou in AI, but that is not on the horizon yet.
How much did they pay you! Weymo has been around a lot longer. And both systems only work in a small area that has been HD mapped. No chance of ever getting to level 5. Tesla have kept there system at level two so they can develop fsd level 5, and one day when it all works it will be rolled out world wide.
They did not pay me, I requested the ride. Waymo has been around much longer. I am a big fan of Waymo. The downside is Waymo has only offered paid rides in suburbs and not major cities. I enjoy what Tesla is attempting but I do believe they lack proper sensors for True Level 5 AI
Cruise is currently expanded their service to all of San Francisco. They also can drive in Phoenix and Austin at this time. Other cities to come in the future
looks impressive! I signed up for a Cruise ride in Sept, but I still haven't heard from them. Seems to me a very limited access program. Do you know when normal customers like us can get a ride? Is it happening this year or next?
It is not remote controlled. They beat Tesla to Level 4 because they are using proper hardware and sensors whereas Tesla is attempting to solve AV using Vision only
@@AIAddict Proper hardware? I think if Tesla can achieve self driving using just camera's would be the proper hardware. Adding extra sensors only adds more expense.
City streets aren't the "killer app" in my mind. I want to get in the back seat and trust it to drive for 6 hours - a trip like Atlanta to Orlando, or Sacramento to LA - while I sleep. I want L4 on badged Interstates.
@@TheDoggydogworld Sure. But 6 hours a week is 30 minutes at a time. I don't mind driving that, even if it's annoying, because it's short. A road trip where you can sleep on the way, vacation (or work) at the destination, then sleep on the way back is what I want.
The fact that a company representative is in the car feels like this is you walking around china and your kinder is following you making sure you don’t say the wrong thing. I can’t trust anything you say hear sorry man.
I requested for the representative to be in the car in case I had any questions. She openly encouraged me to give negative feedback if necessary. I asked for her in case I had any issues during my first ride as well as I was unfamiliar with how the app worked. Future uploads will be solo drives
I live in San Francisco and I’ve endured years of slow moving Cruise vehicles with their giant arrays of sensors and cameras. It’s no wonder that it works better than a simple Tesla without any freakish sensor arrays.
Ouch, Tesla bitterness persists. Cruise is a different solution but still has as many shortcomings as any other automated system. It's geofenced, limited hours of operation (does Waymo?), limited speeds, occasional crashes and glitches, oversized noisy computer taking gobbling up battery, expensive sensor suite,... Where's the tough questions? When will they consolidate the design? make it more producible? More cost effective? Scalable to any city?
Personally, I find the comment to be entertaining for the audience (who knows if I’m right). I’m also directly comparing and contrasting what I’m experiencing to my previous experiences in a Tesla with Level 2 FSD. Does it come off a little distasteful? Possibly. I don’t mean any harm.
@AI Addict Waymo has expanded to way more places than just Chandler. They now have fully driverless robotaxis in the majority of SF as well as all of downtown Phoenix, including the Phoenix airport. They are just not charging money for the driverless rides in SF yet like Cruise is. They also recently announced that they plan to expand fully driverless to LA next. So Waymo has expanded fully driverless robotaxis to multiple areas, beyond Chandler.
They specifically said paid service, though. Waymo only charges fares in the Chandler service area, not downtown Phoenix. I agree it's a fine line to draw. Speaking of fine lines, Waymo's beta SF taxi service is NOT driverless. The videos they post are all from employee test rides, not "Trusted Testers". And they don't actually serve the busy Phoenix airport, but the SkyTrain depot on a nearby property (you take a short train ride to reach the airport itself). And the SkyTrain depot service uses safety drivers, so not yet driverless.
@@TheDoggydogworld Correct. The SF service for the "trusted riders" is not driverless yet but employees can do driverless. CA requires a special permit to charge a fare for driverless rides, different from the permit to test driverless. For some reason, CA regulators have not yet granted Waymo the permit to charge money for driverless even though they can do driverless for employees. It is a weird regulation IMO. If you have a permit to do driverless why would you need a separate permit just to charge money for the same thing? The SkyTrain services the airport so I count that as the airport. Waymo does say they plan to remove the safety driver for the ride-hailing to the SkyTrain in "coming weeks". So I suspect it will probably be driverless by the end of this year.
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San Francisco says that as GM started deploying its fleet of driverless Chevrolet Bolts on city streets, the 911 calls started racking up. In late May 2022, city officials started noticing an uptick in calls related to Cruise vehicles. City police officers started noticing disabled autonomous vehicles sitting, blocking travel lanes. Emergency callers reported Cruise vehicles driving erratically, in one instance signaling in one direction but heading in another, or parking themselves in front of transit vehicles.
And then the backups started.
“The most common complaint to 9-1-1 [regarding Cruise vehicles] has been about Cruise AVs blocking travel lanes for extended periods causing traffic backups,” the city said. “In some cases, callers reported evasive maneuvers by others such as driving on a sidewalk to get around the blockage.”
But it’s not just because one Cruise vehicle is stopping the middle of the road. It can be many of them, all at once.
Thirteen Cruise robotaxis stopped simultaneously on a major arterial street in June, the city said. Two more “large group incidents” were reported to San Francisco in August. Cruise declined to comment on the claims of “group incidents” involving its vehicles.
A full third of the 28 emergency calls related to Cruise vehicles placed between May 28 and Sept. 5 “involved multiple non-operational Cruise AVs and affected multiple travel lanes.” Though the city said it lacks reliable data on the number of incidents, they can last hours.
Remember that these cars are equipped with high precision lidars, and GPS sensors. Also they only drive in areas that have a high precision map that needs to be generated before the car can drive that. The speed bumps are probably not detected by the car but read from the map data. It’s a totally different setup to what Tesla is doing. Their cars are training for any road and situation in the entire world. It’s much harder to do than these robots taxis.
They should set up some of their cars as Johnny Cabs from Total Recall for Halloween. That would be awesome!
This felt booster-ey, but I guess what do I expect from someone called AI Addict.
Great video man i would love a full analysis of the car more tests etc cheers
We plan to try and do weekly videos of cruise drives. We will keep you updated! :)
ONLY OPERATES CERTAIN TIME OF THE NIGHT!!
That mostly is due to the City Permits and not necessarily the technology. This technology is still very impressive to say the least
Take that elon
But…. Next time take this into downtown SF at rush hour. Not 10pm
..... I concur, and I'd love to see the 'fine print' regarding occupant insurance.
And what foolish company would insure this situation ?
WOW!.. I am super impressed. When I visit SF next time, I will make sure I take a Cruise taxi!
It’s quite a surreal experience!
would like to see rush hour ride, not 10 pm desert city
Why can*t they drive in daytime ?
Current city operating permits only allow AV companies to operate at night regardless of brand
@@AIAddict ok. Thanks
Is this system based on pre rendered 3D data of the area?
Or dos it all computing in the car itself?
Eathere way it is quite impressive!
I do know that Cruise relies on pre mapped data but I do not know enough to comment on how exactly it works. My best guess is that the vehicle is doing a little of both.
The car has a HD map as a prior. But the car uses the sensors to do all the driving in real-time.
Hopefully governments in Phoenix and Austin will allow Cruise to drive any time of day like Waymo.
That would be incredible if they do! I’d fly out just to try it
Beautiful ride!
Can the vehicle read signs that say “no right turn on RED”
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good question
@@mattesrocket My Tesla does not in San Francisco, unless there is a red arrow, but that's different.
From my brief experience, I noticed it does not attempt right turns on red regardless of signage
@@AIAddict That is because it is not being taught how to drive, it just sees red and doesn’t move. The cars behind it won’t like that!
it doesnt need to read signs like that because it would be built into the map to only turn on green for that particular intersection.
Try it in Frankfurt next year! If you ever could.
What about pot holes and j walkers? I guess this uses LiDAR?
Yes they use Lidar, Ultrasonics, Radar, Camera vision, etc.
I have jaywalked in front of one and it slowed down safely
Very nice!
But how is this system working that it is so much better, what are the technical differences compared to Tesla. Is it having an extremely detailled map? Or could it go in any town?
But Tesla struggles with complicated traffic situations we haven't seen here.
How would this taxi behave, if
a big semi would want to back up into a drive way or parking spot and needs space, if
a garbage truck blocks the road, if
the street gets too narrow for 2 cars, if
road is closed because of construction with not super clear barriers or confusing cones, if
other vehicles don't give you space to merge into a lane for turning at the next junction, if
an unprotected left gets confusing because the gap is getting too small because of suddenly accelerating cross traffic
etc.
Would the car run a cat?
It sounds you didn't decide on the exact route yourself? Which is imo a prerequisite to a good test when you throw something guaranteed to be new at the system..?
I mean, when you get into a taxi or Uber do you preselect the exact route?
@@AIAddict Honestly I'm confused about several things in the video, it stays unclear which parts are spontaneous use and which parts are controlled by RideShare.
Appreciate you making this video but the view is horrible can’t even see much. Need a better angle from the camera
Agreed, your commentary is good however. Would be great to see the road ahead more than 10 feet in front. Can't see stop signs, traffic lights, peds or other oncoming cars.
I agree the view it horrible, it was the best I could do given the 4 minute timer I had to start the ride. On my 2nd ride I re-adjust the camera for a better view. You will see that upload soon.
@@AIAddict cool, if you can, please comment on what the camera can't see!
Certainly, I’d love to do so! I’ll try to get back up to San Francisco in the next week for a better experience
@@AIAddict I don't blame ya, it takes a lot of practice
Does the system work outside SF? Does it work everywhere in SF? Where is the map data coming from? Does it have lidar?
Seemed to be a whole lot of comparisons to Tesla, with what seemed to me like derogatory undertones referencing discreet EVents, all of course from the past, so maybe they aren't as poignant as the narrator things, given the moving target that Level 5 or Artificial General Intelligence of Vision is.
With that said, thanks for sharing and look forward to seeing more of any product offering in this category.
There was another big-media video about trying out this service but both of the rides were during the night. Why is that? Is it to avoid day traffic?
The city of San Francisco only permits AV companies to operate at night time, regardless of brand
Thank you for the video! Does it heavily depend on map data? How will environment changes such as road construction affect the driving?
I believe they use detailed maps for basic computation and then do calculation in car for everything else, but I cannot say for sure.
There were multiple scenarios where there were people or cars in our way. In these situations, the car handled everything perfectly. If it relied solely on maps then that would not have happened
@@AIAddict Good point! I believe they have to calculate for dynamic situations, i.e. cars, pedestrians etc. However, road construction may involve bigger "less dynamic" changes, such as number of lanes, road block, detour ... I wonder if those are handled by real-time computation or require updates of map data.
It uses HD mapping and off board route planning.
The route is sent to the car and it sticks to that predetermined route.
If it gets stuck it just stops and puts its hazard lights on.
It’s great to use in small towns if you put the effort in , but level 5 fsd is Tesla’s dream where the car can go anywhere in the world without any other input.
@@paulmeynell8866 Yes, I think Tesla’s effort toward level 5 is the way to go. It is a long-term global solution.
In contrast, approaches with dependency on HD map are not only limited in space, but also limited in time. Map data can get outdated and need constant updates for self-driving to continue working.
@@hshing I think there may be no point in pursuing level 5 autonomy. If you're going to have a car that can handle literally every situation a human can handle, it actually needs to be as smart as a human. And if you can invent an AI capable of that, self-driving cars are just one tiny application for it. Your AI might create self-driving cars for you. 🙂Experts generally expect we're a long way away from artificial general intelligence. But for those working on it, there are likely better domains to start with where data collection and variation is simpler. My guess is that race will be won, if in fact it is won, by a company dedicated to AI research, and not one that's tied to a particular product domain.
Keep in mind that Elon Musk and Tesla have backed off their claims to be pursuing Level 5. They now claim Level 4 in their public statements, though in their statements to regulators, they assure that FSD City Streets in its final release form will still be Level 2.
So does it avoid left turns like the plague? I never saw it do one.
No, they do it all the time
@@johnnguyen3834 OK.
We do make 2 left turns in the video, however, I noticed it does weight right turns heavier than left turns. The AV specialist with me explained it’s often for time saving
except it drives on known roads only, pre-mapped. right? so how can you call that level four?
Because it’s Level 4 that’s how.
Level 4 definition: “No human interaction required”
The key difference between level 3 and level 4 automation is that level 4 vehicles are able to intervene themselves if things go wrong or there is a system failure.
Tesla is still struggling to solve Level 2+ everywhere. At least Cruise achieved Level 4 in a controlled city.
They claim to have the ability to expand to new cities in approximately 90 days if needed
@@AIAddict it s pre-mapped. tesla goes everywhere. and it is on battery and they do not have the ability to change the hardware. it is no big achievement by cruise.
@@dancar2537 Tesla will never reach level 4 with the current state of AI.
@@niederrheiner8468 yes, i know: they need lidar :)). tesla made 100 miles in sf, with no human takeover. tesla works everywhere, no lidar, just cameras. and it s on batteries, no way to improve the hardware, no pre map. that s performance
@@dancar2537 You can not let a Tesla drive alone in the inner city. What they would need to make their system work is a breakthrou in AI, but that is not on the horizon yet.
VERY GIOOD
How much did they pay you!
Weymo has been around a lot longer.
And both systems only work in a small area that has been HD mapped. No chance of ever getting to level 5.
Tesla have kept there system at level two so they can develop fsd level 5, and one day when it all works it will be rolled out world wide.
They did not pay me, I requested the ride.
Waymo has been around much longer. I am a big fan of Waymo. The downside is Waymo has only offered paid rides in suburbs and not major cities.
I enjoy what Tesla is attempting but I do believe they lack proper sensors for True Level 5 AI
Nice ad.
9:11 Wow. You went there. You made fun of Ohio. Glad to see no one thinks there is anything happening in Ohio. Hashtag only in Ohio. 💀
How about outside of san fran tho? could it drive in LA right now or do they need to human edit HD maps for the whole city before any driving?
Cruise is currently expanded their service to all of San Francisco. They also can drive in Phoenix and Austin at this time.
Other cities to come in the future
The car is capable of driving autonomously to LA but the ride-hailing service is limited to SF.
is this listed on nyse?
Not at this time. Cruise is a startup within General Motors
looks impressive! I signed up for a Cruise ride in Sept, but I still haven't heard from them. Seems to me a very limited access program. Do you know when normal customers like us can get a ride? Is it happening this year or next?
I am unsure when they plan to expand to all public users. I can say: I signed up in March 2022 and I got my first ride Nov 2022
Glad it at least works on the one pre-planned geofenced route all the coders worked on.
I actually chose / decided the path myself. I ended up choosing 3 different routes on 3 different drives. Each and every ride was nearly perfect!
How could they have beat Tesla to level 4? 🤯
Are you sure it's not remote controlled?
It is not remote controlled. They beat Tesla to Level 4 because they are using proper hardware and sensors whereas Tesla is attempting to solve AV using Vision only
@@AIAddict Proper hardware? I think if Tesla can achieve self driving using just camera's would be the proper hardware. Adding extra sensors only adds more expense.
Not very informative. You don't explain anything. The lady does not say anything...
City streets aren't the "killer app" in my mind. I want to get in the back seat and trust it to drive for 6 hours - a trip like Atlanta to Orlando, or Sacramento to LA - while I sleep.
I want L4 on badged Interstates.
Lots of people spend 6 hours a week (or more) in city traffic.
@@TheDoggydogworld Sure. But 6 hours a week is 30 minutes at a time. I don't mind driving that, even if it's annoying, because it's short.
A road trip where you can sleep on the way, vacation (or work) at the destination, then sleep on the way back is what I want.
The fact that a company representative is in the car feels like this is you walking around china and your kinder is following you making sure you don’t say the wrong thing. I can’t trust anything you say hear sorry man.
I requested for the representative to be in the car in case I had any questions. She openly encouraged me to give negative feedback if necessary. I asked for her in case I had any issues during my first ride as well as I was unfamiliar with how the app worked.
Future uploads will be solo drives
My father always told me a liar thinks everybody is a liar!
I live in San Francisco and I’ve endured years of slow moving Cruise vehicles with their giant arrays of sensors and cameras. It’s no wonder that it works better than a simple Tesla without any freakish sensor arrays.
true, but this car can only drive there.
It actually can drive in San Francisco, Phoenix and Austin. But yes, not everywhere quite yet
So is it truly AI or is it just driving the modeled environment with the modeled movements?
It’s an AI as there are people, cars, signs, lights, animals and objects not pre mapped that it interacts with daily
Teslas will not work without a driver! Sometimes even with a driver! Ha Ha
Ouch, Tesla bitterness persists.
Cruise is a different solution but still has as many shortcomings as any other automated system. It's geofenced, limited hours of operation (does Waymo?), limited speeds, occasional crashes and glitches, oversized noisy computer taking gobbling up battery, expensive sensor suite,...
Where's the tough questions? When will they consolidate the design? make it more producible? More cost effective? Scalable to any city?
Why ruin your video with dumb jokes about Tesla all the time?
Personally, I find the comment to be entertaining for the audience (who knows if I’m right).
I’m also directly comparing and contrasting what I’m experiencing to my previous experiences in a Tesla with Level 2 FSD.
Does it come off a little distasteful? Possibly. I don’t mean any harm.
they took our jobs, also i am not impressed, my robot vacuum cleaner can do this.
Looking forward to your vacuum cleaner special in San Francisco! 😂