What happens at 1:24:23? Game suddenly jumps to a different position, Sharp's supply falls by 40, units dissapear on the map, but ingame timer runs normally. Sharp was kinda winning until this point, but the game flips afterwards. It's almost as if they were casting based on a bugged replay until that point.
I wish I could remember the specific show to point you too, but I recall in the past few years another VERY big in-game desync that was similar and they had to switch the feed to the secondary observer that is in the match for these rare occasions. The first obvious desync to me is around 17:30 game time, and the highlights show the second feed footage of that window. They talk about the highlights a bit but seem to miss that it's specifically from a desync that occurred. As for them not catching it during their cast, I imagine it's a hell of a lot harder to notice while casting without the Korean production alerting them in their earpiece to the technical difficulty. I missed in entirely until I saw your comment lol
the strange thing is that usually when a desync occurred, the minerals would pile up to like 2000 at least, but it didn't happen this time, maybe because they caught it early or something?
I've been really enjoying these last few ASL's. I just wish youtube had a way to hide the video length from spoiling the outcome of the games, but I really appreciate all the work you guys have done to keep Brood War alive in English.
There's this chrome extension 'hyde' that lets you toggle hiding that with ctrl+m; it's been a life saver because I can move my mouse or jump back to rewatch moments without revealing how far into the video I am where my mind automatically starts trying to figure out how many games are left and who won. It makes all the difference.
Keep up the new method! The speed is everything. Such a high chance of getting spoiled when the release is a week late which actually completely ruins it.
Huge fan of the show. Shout out to the Patreon donators. Thank you Tastosis for the effort of getting this out fast! Was looking forward to this all week. I really enjoyed how fast this came out. I do like when there are subtitles and seeing both casters. If I knew the game would be a week delayed in order to add those details I wouldn’t mind waiting, I think the key is knowing when i could reliably expect it to come out. Again thanks for the hustle.🎉
IMO the problem with a week delay is spoilers. It's fine for people who only view broodwar content when this channel releases the english ASL casts. However, when you watch other broodwar content and interact with the broodwar community regularly, spoilers are everywhere! The worst is when they haven't released all of the ro8 on this channel and ro4 starts coming out on other channels. The thumbnails spoil who's in the ro4 which obviously spoils the results of the ro8. I don't even watch those other channels that cover the ASL, their videos just get randomly sent to me via the algorithm since I watch a lot of broodwar stuff.
@@nobodyasdfioafhf that’s a great point. Knowing the results definitely spoils my enjoyment of a video. With that in mind the sacrifices are worth it if the videos come out as fast as they did this week.
3rd game on la Campanella is a bugged replay for those who were wondering what on earth happened at the end. Confirmed on the official AfreecaTV stream
@@sKopheK Yeah it's not actually a bugged replay but a bugged observer. People call it a bugged replay because it's essentially the same problem that used to only happen in replays, cause it's pretty much the same technology.
Best series of this ASL so far!! Mini rarely disapoints, sharp is such a great player as well. Never seems to play to his full potential in ASL however, perhaps a bit of nerves?
Am i the only one who noticed this really cool mindgame from Mini at 1:11:56? He blocks the entrance of the 3rd base location with pylons to pretend to be expanding while instead going for 2 base carriers. Even though protoss usually expand away from the Terran, the 3rd base location at 12 oclock is kinda exposed to both drops and tanks sieging on the highground behind the minerals, so Mini's bluff was really believable.
No, he never pretend to trick Terran for a 3rd. Mini just trying to keep vulture out from getting mines so he can use that base to hide shuttles fly to Sharp's expand. Sharp should of took out the pylons when he move out in the middle that bite him from those carrier harass. You never expand towards Terran unless you are so far behind and desperate for a 3rd.
I haven't been around SC:BW for many years( I left when Bluestorm was still most played and memed map ever and Polish ZZZ team were one of the best "foreigner" clans) Im so glad to see Tastosis still going strong 💪🔥
Yay! It's up! Going into this match, Sharp is kind of unknown to me, (I only started watching the ASLs a couple years ago.) (Considering renewing my membership, my year on the SCV tier ends in a few days.) But Mini is definitely a Heel imo, Though he looks like he's been taking care of himself since last season, (dude looked all tubby and acne ridden, lot better now) Not sure who to root for, But I gotta say that 4-base TvP opener was almost as insane as the Hive we saw in ZvZ. I'd say game 1 of this match just might be 2nd best game of the season so far, Game 2 was insane as well, but Sharp's micro wasn't at Mini's level, However, he seems to be a victim of crummy luck, Which makes me want to root for him more. Mini's rageface tho &dirtbag shuttle play into twobase Carrier, sort of turns him into the Villain I like, The crowd loves him too, He is quite the sniper, but once those pesky Spider Mines are burrowed they're kind of a weakness.
I think maybe Mini in game three had intended to do another build - probs nexus first - but auto-piloted into something different, that's why he was so visibly peeved!
Good for them. They took a leap of faith following a career in Brood War. This was before streaming was anywhere near the horizon. Now they make good money wth soemthing they're passionate about and are beloved. Good going.@@noahbaker-kang5148
Watched this with nyoken but really appreciate the speed of these casts this season. Love both mini and sharp. Mini is the only Protoss that understands pvz sharp is just fun to watch
I'm writing this about 2 months after this was uploaded: Speed is obviously not a factor to me. I might be in the minority, but please know that not everyone wants speed above everything else. Getting subtitles for all the korean content (interviews, recap videos, extra content during commercials) was the reason why I honestly preferred the first couple season of ASL patreon over the "official" english broadcast we had before. Now I can't even look at tasteless pretty face anymore, and there are no subs to be found... Please consider stepping off the throttle and bringing back some quality for next year! If I wanted fast vods, I'd just watch in korean...
lets see... about 2 days after starcraft english RO8 match 3 and about a day after RO8 match 4 by the same channel idk if it is faster overall but i thought it will be a less than 24hr after starcraft english cast at least. maybe im missing something like editing and stuff but still... i prefer to wait but thats just me.
you mention mini would be the most accomplished after Flash if he wins - what about queen? i'm not sure, just asking. cheers. loved the cast and all the rest.
Okay it has been a LONG time since I've played BW but isn't neo dark origin a tweaked version of another classic map? Based on the naming I thought it would be "dark origin" but that doesn't seem to be it. I just have ptsd memories of trying to fight against the bridges of the map against my Terran friend and also of having any 3rd I tried to take being absolutely swarmed by vultures if I didn't pylon block properly...
*[SPOILERS]* Post-games season 16 map statistics *[MATCH-UPS]* TvZ 14-14 (avg. time 13:46, T wins at 14:06, Z wins at 13:25) ZvP 9-4 (avg. time 13:40, Z wins at 14:50, P wins at 11:05) PvT 12-11 (avg. time 16:42, P wins at 15:17, T wins at 18:15) TvT 5 (avg. time 14:59) ZvZ 10 (avg. time 08:55) PvP 2 (avg. time 12:58) Overall avg. time 14:02 *[GAMES]* Longest: free vs EffOrt on Tempest (35:29) Shortest: soma vs Calm on Apocalypse (03:20) *[SPAWN LOCATION]* Top (10-3 o'clock) 37-33 ~ 53% Bottom (4-9 o'clock) 43-48 ~ 47% Left (1-6 o'clock) 45-36 ~ 56% Right (7-12 o'clock) 35-45 ~ 44% Against clockwise opponent 23-23 ~ 50% *[MAP CHOICES]* Invader 3 Polypoid 3 La Campanella 2 Neo Dark Origin 2 Retro 1 Tempest 1 *[MAP BANS]* La Campanella 7 Invader 4 Neo Dark Origin 4 Tempest 4 Apocalypse 3 Polypoid 2 *[MAPS]* *Apocalypse* 17 games, avg. time 12:45 TvZ 4-2 (avg. time 12:02) ZvP 1-1 (avg. time 13:48) PvT 3-1 (avg. time 12:01) TvT 1 (avg. time 21:06) ZvZ 3 (avg. time 10:29) PvP 1 (avg. time 16:29) *Invader* 11 games, avg. time 12:03 TvZ 0-2 (avg. time 07:25) ZvP 3-0 (avg. time 11:15) PvT 2-1 (avg. time 14:19) TvT 1 (avg. time 21:34) ZvZ 2 (avg. time 09:45) *La Campanella* 9 games, avg. time 20:08 TvZ 2-2 (avg. time 22:44) ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 35:29) PvT 1-0 (avg. time 21:30) TvT 2 (avg. time 12:31) ZvZ 1 (avg. time 08:14) *Neo Dark Origin* 8 games, avg. time 11:25 TvZ 2-2 (avg. time 08:40) ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 14:34) PvT 2-0 (avg. time 17:30) ZvZ 1 (avg. time 07:08) *Polypoid* 12 games, avg. time 13:04 TvZ 2-1 (avg. time 16:02) ZvP 0-1 (avg. time 03:50) PvT 2-2 (avg. time 18:20) TvT 1 (avg. time 07:12) ZvZ 2 (avg. time 07:27) PvP 1 (avg. time 09:27) *Retro* 13 games, avg. time 14:39 TvZ 2-4 (avg. time 16:09) ZvP 2-0 (avg. time 12:09) PvT 0-4 (avg. time 15:19) ZvZ 1 (avg. time 08:00) *Tempest* 11 games, avg. time 15:16 TvZ 2-1 (avg. time 09:13) ZvP 1-2 (avg. time 12:45) PvT 2-3 (avg. time 20:24) *[Comments]* - Mini now has most wins this season with a 9-4 score! Rush's 8-1 score might be more impressive though. - Invader has been banned 4 times in Ro16, but also chosen 3 times in Ro8! Truly a favourite of the Zergs, they are 5-0 on the map! T is 1-4 and P is 2-4... Also, the 11 o'clock spawn is 9-2. Play Zerg and spawn top left = easy win? - La Campanella is the most hated map, with 7 bans! It has the longest average game time at 20:08 and four of the six longest games this season are played on it. - (Neo) Dark Origin which was one of the main maps last season, is the least played map this season with only 8 games and 4 bans. It also has the shortest average game time at 11:25. Perhaps the pros dislike the maps the deviate too much from the average game time? - Main stay Polypoid has a problem: you can't win at the 11 o'clock spawn, it is 0-5 this season! Against clockwise spawn is 5-5, so it's _not_ about base to base layout, just that 11 o'clock is cursed! - Retro is the second most played map this season, and might be why we have so few Protoss left: they are 0-6 on the map. - Tempest is the only map where no mirror matches have been played.
@@secondjoint If I'm not wrong, traditionally the race imbalance has been a RPS with T > Z > P > T. Speculation: Now that it has rather moved to T > Z >>> P > T, we have Z killing all the P, leaving no P to kill T, which is why we see so many T at the top lately. The question is how to address this: Zerg is the quick and mobile race, Terran the slow and turtly race. Protoss is caught inbetween. Any map that would favour them in one match-up would probably favour their opponent in the other. Apocalypse seems to be best map for Protoss this season, one can wonder what features are behind this.
1:24:24 What is with the supply for the players? First Sharp is way ahead, but then there's a glitch in the feed, and suddenly both supplies change, with Mini now ahead.
Why does Afreeca not use the caster interface where you can see what's being built and researched? As well as what's in transport units as well as worker unit counts? We've seen it in alot of other's casts. Like in both Tasteless and Artosis's individual channels. This feels archaic after watch casts on there channels. The technoligy is there. But Tasteosis still have to guess whether psi-storm was researched in what's suppose to be the biggest BW tournament in the world.
@@MrDdz I have the same question. I've heard the sunken glitch bug is caused by retargetting in mid-shot. I wonder if goons or any ranged units can theoretically do the same things, it's just much more rare since their animation time between starting to fire and actually firing is much shorter.
In that second game, I felt like Sharp should have just placed mines along the reinforcement route and then attacked the probes at the natural. Climbing up there after seeing the Reaver drop at his own base seems like a bad call.
it's always so sick when Artosis and Tasteless are commenting and suddenly go "i feel like he should gg soon" or in this case "the walls are really closing in" and withing 5s of that happening the player GGs. just shows you the high level of understanding that these two have as casters!
Thanks for reiterating the original comment, but doing so in a negative way! This is truly an addition to the internet that should really be appreciated!!!
SPOILER So much hope for brood war and protoss hinged on Mini making Ro.4. Thank fuck for brood war it happened. I would be so damn btter without him in lol
It's looking similar to ASL12. Mini was the only protoss who made it into the Ro8 there too, and he went on to win the trophy. However, he's gotta go thru Effort and then prolly Soulkey... Soulkey is an insane ZvP player prolly better than Larva was in the ASL11 finals. But that would still be the most epic final we can have, Mini vs Soulkey. Mini vs Rush would actually be okay too cuz that would be the first rematch of all ASL finals history.
Non-spolier! Artosis does a pretty decent job (aside from the curveball of the Ro8) of predicting what Tasteless is going to say. Probably one of the least impressive things about this cast but hey still good.
what is happening at 1:24:24 ? game time is 19:13, supply is P: 119/150 T: 68/147. One second later, at 1:24:25 with game time 19:14 supply is P: 83/150 T: 95:162. Looks like a cut, but game didn't move. Pay attention to Sharp's Force at Mini's natural on the mini map; there is a brown blob one instance and the next there are no brown units and only yellow dots. Anyone got an explanation?
The games are really awesome. A new taype of PVT actually has been defined by Mini: Early game harassment+mid game strategy mind gamble+late game macro. I think the Mini’s solid mid game with no overexpansion really impressive. The new PVT strategy is more effective than straight Carriers/Arbiters tech by Bisu or Stork and mid game max-out by Best. Very solid game by Mini.
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1:42:44 Let's all acknowledge Mini knowing the timing it takes a probe to kill a mine will be within sight range of a departing observer.
What happens at 1:24:23? Game suddenly jumps to a different position, Sharp's supply falls by 40, units dissapear on the map, but ingame timer runs normally. Sharp was kinda winning until this point, but the game flips afterwards. It's almost as if they were casting based on a bugged replay until that point.
Yeah, I noticed that too. Spectator desync I guess. It has happened in the past, but usually gets brought up. Idk though.
I wish I could remember the specific show to point you too, but I recall in the past few years another VERY big in-game desync that was similar and they had to switch the feed to the secondary observer that is in the match for these rare occasions. The first obvious desync to me is around 17:30 game time, and the highlights show the second feed footage of that window. They talk about the highlights a bit but seem to miss that it's specifically from a desync that occurred. As for them not catching it during their cast, I imagine it's a hell of a lot harder to notice while casting without the Korean production alerting them in their earpiece to the technical difficulty. I missed in entirely until I saw your comment lol
Rare live desync.
They switched to 2nd observer view.
It’s a confirmed bugged replay. I am Korean and watched it on the Korean AfreecaTV stream and they confirmed it
the strange thing is that usually when a desync occurred, the minerals would pile up to like 2000 at least, but it didn't happen this time, maybe because they caught it early or something?
I've been really enjoying these last few ASL's. I just wish youtube had a way to hide the video length from spoiling the outcome of the games, but I really appreciate all the work you guys have done to keep Brood War alive in English.
Once you start you literally can't hit pause. Just like live stream hahah
There's this chrome extension 'hyde' that lets you toggle hiding that with ctrl+m; it's been a life saver because I can move my mouse or jump back to rewatch moments without revealing how far into the video I am where my mind automatically starts trying to figure out how many games are left and who won. It makes all the difference.
Just put some tape on your screen covering the bottom 😅
Use an extension to hide video lengths that's what I do
Look away at the video length and then when you play it do full screen and don't pause or touch anything.
Keep up the new method! The speed is everything. Such a high chance of getting spoiled when the release is a week late which actually completely ruins it.
Yeah agreed - Not an impatience thing its just hard to avoid spoilers
Minis faces during games give me life 😂😂😂
Huge fan of the show. Shout out to the Patreon donators. Thank you Tastosis for the effort of getting this out fast! Was looking forward to this all week.
I really enjoyed how fast this came out. I do like when there are subtitles and seeing both casters. If I knew the game would be a week delayed in order to add those details I wouldn’t mind waiting, I think the key is knowing when i could reliably expect it to come out. Again thanks for the hustle.🎉
IMO the problem with a week delay is spoilers. It's fine for people who only view broodwar content when this channel releases the english ASL casts. However, when you watch other broodwar content and interact with the broodwar community regularly, spoilers are everywhere! The worst is when they haven't released all of the ro8 on this channel and ro4 starts coming out on other channels. The thumbnails spoil who's in the ro4 which obviously spoils the results of the ro8. I don't even watch those other channels that cover the ASL, their videos just get randomly sent to me via the algorithm since I watch a lot of broodwar stuff.
@@nobodyasdfioafhf that’s a great point. Knowing the results definitely spoils my enjoyment of a video. With that in mind the sacrifices are worth it if the videos come out as fast as they did this week.
@@nobodyasdfioafhf yup, that is the biggest issue for me too
3rd game on la Campanella is a bugged replay for those who were wondering what on earth happened at the end. Confirmed on the official AfreecaTV stream
what replay are you talking about? don't they play it live with observers?
@@sKopheK Sometimes the spectator view desyncs and data gets missing. They have two spectators as backup
@@sKopheK Yeah it's not actually a bugged replay but a bugged observer. People call it a bugged replay because it's essentially the same problem that used to only happen in replays, cause it's pretty much the same technology.
Love these thumbnails from before tasteless's head turned into a pumpkin
And before Current Artosis ate Young Artosis
Damn chillll
Inappropriate
Yeah yo Tasteless lookin like Glenn Quagmire. Giggidy!!
@@MrMischelitopocketing 120k/year and not using a webcam as a caster is inappropriate
The best casters in the world at work again!
Great series, sick games.
LEGEND OF THE FALL!
My favorite series of the season thus far. Amazing games!
that ending! hahahaha loved it
truly a casting archon!
Tasteless sock-puppet/ventriloquist dummy when?!
OMG how is that even possible. at first he didnt get it that much but had like the entire end flawless. thats sooo goood hahaha
Best series of this ASL so far!! Mini rarely disapoints, sharp is such a great player as well. Never seems to play to his full potential in ASL however, perhaps a bit of nerves?
Am i the only one who noticed this really cool mindgame from Mini at 1:11:56? He blocks the entrance of the 3rd base location with pylons to pretend to be expanding while instead going for 2 base carriers. Even though protoss usually expand away from the Terran, the 3rd base location at 12 oclock is kinda exposed to both drops and tanks sieging on the highground behind the minerals, so Mini's bluff was really believable.
Yeah toss that go 2 base carriers are total geniuses. Such talent and uncompromising skill. *Ape noises*
also, he created an area for the carriers where the goliaths couldnt follow him
@@transistor3115🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂
No, he never pretend to trick Terran for a 3rd. Mini just trying to keep vulture out from getting mines so he can use that base to hide shuttles fly to Sharp's expand. Sharp should of took out the pylons when he move out in the middle that bite him from those carrier harass. You never expand towards Terran unless you are so far behind and desperate for a 3rd.
Flying around with empty shuttles was wild too this game, sharp had 0 clue how much reavers he killed
I haven't been around SC:BW for many years( I left when Bluestorm was still most played and memed map ever and Polish ZZZ team were one of the best "foreigner" clans) Im so glad to see Tastosis still going strong 💪🔥
Whoa Mini played so well the 1st game it's almost like a victory for him
I would wait an extra day if it meant that it looks like Tastosis is sitting beside eachother, like the good old days. I miss the good old days .
yeah well you can't have it all mate
Artosis and Tastless true form at the end of this video. I FELT like I was watching Tastosis.
it was UNCANNY O_O
Yay! It's up!
Going into this match,
Sharp is kind of unknown to me, (I only started watching the ASLs a couple years ago.) (Considering renewing my membership, my year on the SCV tier ends in a few days.)
But Mini is definitely a Heel imo,
Though he looks like he's been taking care of himself since last season, (dude looked all tubby and acne ridden, lot better now)
Not sure who to root for,
But I gotta say that 4-base TvP opener was almost as insane as the Hive we saw in ZvZ.
I'd say game 1 of this match just might be 2nd best game of the season so far,
Game 2 was insane as well, but Sharp's micro wasn't at Mini's level,
However, he seems to be a victim of crummy luck,
Which makes me want to root for him more.
Mini's rageface tho
&dirtbag shuttle play into twobase Carrier, sort of turns him into the Villain I like,
The crowd loves him too,
He is quite the sniper, but once those pesky Spider Mines are burrowed they're kind of a weakness.
Artosis mouthing what Tasteless was saying for the outro was hilarious 😂
I think maybe Mini in game three had intended to do another build - probs nexus first - but auto-piloted into something different, that's why he was so visibly peeved!
Game 1 start 14:00
Game 2 starts at 44:09
Game 3 starts at 1:04:58
Game 4 starts at 1:35:11
The ending was so good! :)
1:24:20 wtf happened to Sharp's supply? It dropped from 120 to 80 instantaneously...
Miss seeing mah boy Tasteless on screen dough.
They simply don’t have the budget for that. They’re only making 11k/month off Patreon
@@noahbaker-kang5148You need at least 15k to sustain a corporeal vessel for Tasteless, duh
Good for them. They took a leap of faith following a career in Brood War. This was before streaming was anywhere near the horizon. Now they make good money wth soemthing they're passionate about and are beloved. Good going.@@noahbaker-kang5148
@@ExValeFor precisely
Its a budget thing? Thougjt it was about syncing
Outro of the cast is gold
Great games right here
DAN IS A TASTELESS MIND READER O_O that was uncannily accurate....
Greatest ending of a video of all time!
really liking the translation
OMG the ending was so funny guys! Keep on the good work.
Very enjoyable, high level games
My fav race won yay!
Watched this with nyoken but really appreciate the speed of these casts this season. Love both mini and sharp.
Mini is the only Protoss that understands pvz sharp is just fun to watch
What happened at the 1:24:25 with supply counts? Did the observer mode glitch out or something?
I'm writing this about 2 months after this was uploaded:
Speed is obviously not a factor to me. I might be in the minority, but please know that not everyone wants speed above everything else. Getting subtitles for all the korean content (interviews, recap videos, extra content during commercials) was the reason why I honestly preferred the first couple season of ASL patreon over the "official" english broadcast we had before. Now I can't even look at tasteless pretty face anymore, and there are no subs to be found...
Please consider stepping off the throttle and bringing back some quality for next year!
If I wanted fast vods, I'd just watch in korean...
lets see... about 2 days after starcraft english RO8 match 3 and about a day after RO8 match 4 by the same channel
idk if it is faster overall but i thought it will be a less than 24hr after starcraft english cast at least.
maybe im missing something like editing and stuff but still... i prefer to wait but thats just me.
Mini....our only Protoss hope! For Aiur!
He my favorite ❤
He saved us from a TvT final!
@@SmokerFace12 me too!
@@WoAzMM yes! I hate TvsT. Terran is op!
FINALLY IT'S HERE❤🎉
Oh boy. Really looking forward to this one :D
much love all!
you mention mini would be the most accomplished after Flash if he wins - what about queen? i'm not sure, just asking. cheers. loved the cast and all the rest.
Yeah Queen has 2, and if Mini wins he will also have 2 trophies. However, Queen got his 2 in a row whereas Mini won ASL12, 2 years ago.
Something sounds off with the audio on this, like it was compressed before uploading. Tasteless are you using a bluetooth headset?
Okay it has been a LONG time since I've played BW but isn't neo dark origin a tweaked version of another classic map? Based on the naming I thought it would be "dark origin" but that doesn't seem to be it. I just have ptsd memories of trying to fight against the bridges of the map against my Terran friend and also of having any 3rd I tried to take being absolutely swarmed by vultures if I didn't pylon block properly...
TYSM
Probius is indeed the greatest unit!
*[SPOILERS]*
Post-games season 16 map statistics
*[MATCH-UPS]*
TvZ 14-14 (avg. time 13:46, T wins at 14:06, Z wins at 13:25)
ZvP 9-4 (avg. time 13:40, Z wins at 14:50, P wins at 11:05)
PvT 12-11 (avg. time 16:42, P wins at 15:17, T wins at 18:15)
TvT 5 (avg. time 14:59)
ZvZ 10 (avg. time 08:55)
PvP 2 (avg. time 12:58)
Overall avg. time 14:02
*[GAMES]*
Longest: free vs EffOrt on Tempest (35:29)
Shortest: soma vs Calm on Apocalypse (03:20)
*[SPAWN LOCATION]*
Top (10-3 o'clock) 37-33 ~ 53%
Bottom (4-9 o'clock) 43-48 ~ 47%
Left (1-6 o'clock) 45-36 ~ 56%
Right (7-12 o'clock) 35-45 ~ 44%
Against clockwise opponent 23-23 ~ 50%
*[MAP CHOICES]*
Invader 3
Polypoid 3
La Campanella 2
Neo Dark Origin 2
Retro 1
Tempest 1
*[MAP BANS]*
La Campanella 7
Invader 4
Neo Dark Origin 4
Tempest 4
Apocalypse 3
Polypoid 2
*[MAPS]*
*Apocalypse*
17 games, avg. time 12:45
TvZ 4-2 (avg. time 12:02)
ZvP 1-1 (avg. time 13:48)
PvT 3-1 (avg. time 12:01)
TvT 1 (avg. time 21:06)
ZvZ 3 (avg. time 10:29)
PvP 1 (avg. time 16:29)
*Invader*
11 games, avg. time 12:03
TvZ 0-2 (avg. time 07:25)
ZvP 3-0 (avg. time 11:15)
PvT 2-1 (avg. time 14:19)
TvT 1 (avg. time 21:34)
ZvZ 2 (avg. time 09:45)
*La Campanella*
9 games, avg. time 20:08
TvZ 2-2 (avg. time 22:44)
ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 35:29)
PvT 1-0 (avg. time 21:30)
TvT 2 (avg. time 12:31)
ZvZ 1 (avg. time 08:14)
*Neo Dark Origin*
8 games, avg. time 11:25
TvZ 2-2 (avg. time 08:40)
ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 14:34)
PvT 2-0 (avg. time 17:30)
ZvZ 1 (avg. time 07:08)
*Polypoid*
12 games, avg. time 13:04
TvZ 2-1 (avg. time 16:02)
ZvP 0-1 (avg. time 03:50)
PvT 2-2 (avg. time 18:20)
TvT 1 (avg. time 07:12)
ZvZ 2 (avg. time 07:27)
PvP 1 (avg. time 09:27)
*Retro*
13 games, avg. time 14:39
TvZ 2-4 (avg. time 16:09)
ZvP 2-0 (avg. time 12:09)
PvT 0-4 (avg. time 15:19)
ZvZ 1 (avg. time 08:00)
*Tempest*
11 games, avg. time 15:16
TvZ 2-1 (avg. time 09:13)
ZvP 1-2 (avg. time 12:45)
PvT 2-3 (avg. time 20:24)
*[Comments]*
- Mini now has most wins this season with a 9-4 score! Rush's 8-1 score might be more impressive though.
- Invader has been banned 4 times in Ro16, but also chosen 3 times in Ro8! Truly a favourite of the Zergs, they are 5-0 on the map! T is 1-4 and P is 2-4...
Also, the 11 o'clock spawn is 9-2. Play Zerg and spawn top left = easy win?
- La Campanella is the most hated map, with 7 bans! It has the longest average game time at 20:08 and four of the six longest games this season are played on it.
- (Neo) Dark Origin which was one of the main maps last season, is the least played map this season with only 8 games and 4 bans. It also has the shortest average game time at 11:25. Perhaps the pros dislike the maps the deviate too much from the average game time?
- Main stay Polypoid has a problem: you can't win at the 11 o'clock spawn, it is 0-5 this season! Against clockwise spawn is 5-5, so it's _not_ about base to base layout, just that 11 o'clock is cursed!
- Retro is the second most played map this season, and might be why we have so few Protoss left: they are 0-6 on the map.
- Tempest is the only map where no mirror matches have been played.
Seems like ZvP is really broken based on these stats. Hope to see mini make it to the finals.
@@secondjoint If I'm not wrong, traditionally the race imbalance has been a RPS with T > Z > P > T.
Speculation: Now that it has rather moved to T > Z >>> P > T, we have Z killing all the P, leaving no P to kill T, which is why we see so many T at the top lately.
The question is how to address this: Zerg is the quick and mobile race, Terran the slow and turtly race. Protoss is caught inbetween. Any map that would favour them in one match-up would probably favour their opponent in the other.
Apocalypse seems to be best map for Protoss this season, one can wonder what features are behind this.
1:24:24 What is with the supply for the players? First Sharp is way ahead, but then there's a glitch in the feed, and suddenly both supplies change, with Mini now ahead.
Why does Afreeca not use the caster interface where you can see what's being built and researched? As well as what's in transport units as well as worker unit counts? We've seen it in alot of other's casts. Like in both Tasteless and Artosis's individual channels. This feels archaic after watch casts on there channels. The technoligy is there. But Tasteosis still have to guess whether psi-storm was researched in what's suppose to be the biggest BW tournament in the world.
I think you only get that in the replay interface, not in the observing interface
Waiting for more than 360p
Crazy game on Neo Dark Origin, wow. GG!!
The cameraman panning over the Korean fans knew and understood the assignment.
w00t w00t ASL time BOOOOYZZZ 🎉❤
Lol! End was very funny, but I also like to see tasteless :)
WTH happened at 1:24:22, two reavers appeared out nowhere!?!?!?!?
Apart from that the video is awesome!!, quite enjoy the cast.
why don't people use wraith or valk vs carrier?
1:24:24 what happened to Sharp's supply? Spectator bug?
CAST LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT, ARTY!
If we rush order the cardboard cutout of Tasteless maybe we can get it in place for the finals?
Man you can tell how much artosis hates protoss in this commentary especially lol 46:30 *evil terran laugh*
anyone knows what the song played between games?
Why is it unlisted tf
Anyone know what rock song plays at exactly the 1:00:00 break ?
Hell yea Firebats roasting Probes.
1:14:33 how did those dragoons fire so far lolwut
Yeah what tf was that all about. Mini hacks? GASP.
@@MrDdz I have the same question. I've heard the sunken glitch bug is caused by retargetting in mid-shot. I wonder if goons or any ranged units can theoretically do the same things, it's just much more rare since their animation time between starting to fire and actually firing is much shorter.
In that second game, I felt like Sharp should have just placed mines along the reinforcement route and then attacked the probes at the natural. Climbing up there after seeing the Reaver drop at his own base seems like a bad call.
Voice audio not quite as clear as normal
Ted need to start laying mines behind the nat minerals on La Camp. Be it the mirror or vs Ped I see them getting abused every time.
1:24:23 What happend? its like we missed something, suply droped by 40 instantly
Observer de-sync
Spoiler:
I can’t believe carriers won a game
Artosis needs to get a Tasteless puppet
it's always so sick when Artosis and Tasteless are commenting and suddenly go "i feel like he should gg soon" or in this case "the walls are really closing in" and withing 5s of that happening the player GGs. just shows you the high level of understanding that these two have as casters!
@@burst33lol, OK buddy. meanwhile pro players are infamous for calling out GGs and saying someone's 'dead' after a single bad trade. Enormous L take
Thanks for reiterating the original comment, but doing so in a negative way! This is truly an addition to the internet that should really be appreciated!!!
Mini has serious Artosis energy when it comes to game bugs.
that end xd
59:46 It's not Mötley Crüe, but definitely Crüe-inspired.
There was a point in game 2 where Sharp's marine was attacking his geyser instead of the zealots o.o
The game volume is still too low.
Apparently that's Sharp's ASL shirt
Everybody noticing the initial probe mis-micro is hilarious.
Excuse Artosis but Queen also won 2 ASLs.
SPOILER
So much hope for brood war and protoss hinged on Mini making Ro.4. Thank fuck for brood war it happened. I would be so damn btter without him in lol
It's looking similar to ASL12. Mini was the only protoss who made it into the Ro8 there too, and he went on to win the trophy. However, he's gotta go thru Effort and then prolly Soulkey... Soulkey is an insane ZvP player prolly better than Larva was in the ASL11 finals. But that would still be the most epic final we can have, Mini vs Soulkey. Mini vs Rush would actually be okay too cuz that would be the first rematch of all ASL finals history.
Best Finale
I wonder how hard it was for rt not to rant about protoss during that first game.
why isn't tasteless on video anymore? i want tasteless back
HYPE!
Bro what happened in game 3 19:12? Why did yellow units suddenly show up around carriers? Game time wasnt lagged so what happened?
Yeah so weird T dropped 40 suply instantly
Observer desync.
Spoilers
Man Mini makes Protoss look like they should never lose to Terran. Dominant games, even the one he lost he looked strong.
Non-spolier!
Artosis does a pretty decent job (aside from the curveball of the Ro8) of predicting what Tasteless is going to say. Probably one of the least impressive things about this cast but hey still good.
Good to see a professional caliber Terran lose to a couple of zealots and a probe. Makes me feel less bad about when i lose like that.
Don't miss the conclusion.
sharp, where the hell are the ghosts with lockdown??
Fiiiiinally!!!!
what is happening at 1:24:24 ? game time is 19:13, supply is P: 119/150 T: 68/147. One second later, at 1:24:25 with game time 19:14 supply is P: 83/150 T: 95:162.
Looks like a cut, but game didn't move.
Pay attention to Sharp's Force at Mini's natural on the mini map; there is a brown blob one instance and the next there are no brown units and only yellow dots.
Anyone got an explanation?
The games are really awesome. A new taype of PVT actually has been defined by Mini: Early game harassment+mid game strategy mind gamble+late game macro. I think the Mini’s solid mid game with no overexpansion really impressive. The new PVT strategy is more effective than straight Carriers/Arbiters tech by Bisu or Stork and mid game max-out by Best. Very solid game by Mini.
This is unlisted!
I would totally be here for a cast where Artosis lip-syncs all of Tasteless' casting as well.
Mini is my only hope this season!
360p lets go!
GGs !
Honestly IMO Mini didn’t deserve to win the third game. The map was just too good for carriers and Sharp played extremely well