@@crowing3886 the thing is... Post op may seem like a good LC but only really if you get a quicker ULT. Like er rope with lingsha already gives you a guaranteed 3 turn ULT. If you do post op, it doesn't turn it into a 2 turn ULT i feel like. Maybe it will, in some cases if you get hit a lot of times or kill them but like... Its unreliable Unless you're just using it for the extra healing which is fine if you do need it and thats really up to you so don't really have a say in that. Meanwhile going post op to remove the need for an er rope might be a possibility if you can still guarantee a 3 turn ULT but other rope options are just break effect or atk/hp/def which isn't exactly a huge advantage compared to just having a flexible Lc like quid pro quo or multiplication for the advance forward Not sure what vintage is tho is it the new planar set?
@@crowing3886 lingsha has 110 max energy. it takes 3 turns to get her ULT up, since 30+30+30 and the extra 5 from using her first ULT will get you 95 x 1.194 = 113.43. if you're going for vonwacq + post op, thats basically just 121% ER (1.6% lower than using an ER rope) so there's very little difference to this. so you're not getting a 2 turn ULT with that setup unless you can get a kill or get hit... and you need either of these to happen 5x in the span of your two turns. Meanwhile if you have ER Rope with Vonwacq + Post Op LC thats basically a 140.4% ER its still not a guaranteed 2 turn per ULT but it drops the requirement to just getting hit or killing enemies twice. since you'll be at 91.26 ER so yeah... 2 turn ULT without getting to 140% ER is very unlikely unless you're playing Pure Fiction and every enemy is already broken for lingsha to actually kill something.
@@crowing3886 S1 Mei only gives you free 10 energy at the start of every wave... so most of the time its useless. coz when you start the fight on MOC, you're already at half energy so 2 turns will give you max energy whether you have it or not... or it could be one turn to get her ULT up if you kill or get hit ONCE if you have 119% ER (even 140% ER doesnt change it much) and even if you do get her ULT up before her 2nd turn, on MOC, you won't usually use it right away if its on a firefly team. Reason being is if you're fighting a boss in the next wave that has a lot of toughness like 150 Kafka or 160 Argenti, Firefly is unable to break those enemies on her first turn so the Lingsha ULT + FUA + skill before FF gets a turn is very crucial so you can actually break Kafka or Argenti since if you don't, you basically just lost a lot of damage as your Lingsha won't be able to break them with just a skill alone and then HMC's turn will start which if you have argenti as the boss, then there's no chance of you breaking as well. so that's 3 characters that can't do damage. so unless you have a wave 2 enemy lineup that can be broken without the help of Lingsha, which is honestly not a lot... as Firefly can only do up to 90 toughness damage on the main target and 75 on adjacent. then the S1 mei does nothing different for Lingsha as you'll end up holding ULT until wave 2 and when wave 2 starts, S1 mei doesnt matter already.
I'm thinking running her with eagle and vintage with s5 post op.
@@crowing3886 the thing is... Post op may seem like a good LC but only really if you get a quicker ULT. Like er rope with lingsha already gives you a guaranteed 3 turn ULT. If you do post op, it doesn't turn it into a 2 turn ULT i feel like. Maybe it will, in some cases if you get hit a lot of times or kill them but like... Its unreliable
Unless you're just using it for the extra healing which is fine if you do need it and thats really up to you so don't really have a say in that.
Meanwhile going post op to remove the need for an er rope might be a possibility if you can still guarantee a 3 turn ULT but other rope options are just break effect or atk/hp/def which isn't exactly a huge advantage compared to just having a flexible Lc like quid pro quo or multiplication for the advance forward
Not sure what vintage is tho is it the new planar set?
@@theghastlygamerz999 meant vonwac not vintage lol. That gets you the 2turn without the er rope. I'm still healing/sp/atk/be
@@crowing3886 lingsha has 110 max energy. it takes 3 turns to get her ULT up, since 30+30+30 and the extra 5 from using her first ULT will get you 95 x 1.194 = 113.43. if you're going for vonwacq + post op, thats basically just 121% ER (1.6% lower than using an ER rope) so there's very little difference to this.
so you're not getting a 2 turn ULT with that setup unless you can get a kill or get hit... and you need either of these to happen 5x in the span of your two turns. Meanwhile if you have ER Rope with Vonwacq + Post Op LC thats basically a 140.4% ER its still not a guaranteed 2 turn per ULT but it drops the requirement to just getting hit or killing enemies twice. since you'll be at 91.26 ER
so yeah... 2 turn ULT without getting to 140% ER is very unlikely unless you're playing Pure Fiction and every enemy is already broken for lingsha to actually kill something.
@@theghastlygamerz999 i suppose, even with s1 mei?
@@crowing3886 S1 Mei only gives you free 10 energy at the start of every wave... so most of the time its useless. coz when you start the fight on MOC, you're already at half energy so 2 turns will give you max energy whether you have it or not... or it could be one turn to get her ULT up if you kill or get hit ONCE if you have 119% ER (even 140% ER doesnt change it much)
and even if you do get her ULT up before her 2nd turn, on MOC, you won't usually use it right away if its on a firefly team. Reason being is if you're fighting a boss in the next wave that has a lot of toughness like 150 Kafka or 160 Argenti, Firefly is unable to break those enemies on her first turn so the Lingsha ULT + FUA + skill before FF gets a turn is very crucial so you can actually break Kafka or Argenti since if you don't, you basically just lost a lot of damage as your Lingsha won't be able to break them with just a skill alone and then HMC's turn will start which if you have argenti as the boss, then there's no chance of you breaking as well. so that's 3 characters that can't do damage.
so unless you have a wave 2 enemy lineup that can be broken without the help of Lingsha, which is honestly not a lot... as Firefly can only do up to 90 toughness damage on the main target and 75 on adjacent. then the S1 mei does nothing different for Lingsha as you'll end up holding ULT until wave 2 and when wave 2 starts, S1 mei doesnt matter already.